Has Anybody Seen This Footage?

[three-eight-hotel]

Seems like there have been a lot of these lately, and I don't recall
coming across it, so my apologies if this one's already run it's course

http://www.kcra.com/video/6649725/index.html

Best Regards,
Todd

[Gary Drescher]

"three-eight-hotel" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Seems like there have been a lot of these lately,

Yup, more events of all kinds get caught on cameras these days. Soon it'll
probably be routine to have cameras built into small planes. Some of the
stored images will survive crashes, so we'll get to see a pilot's-eye view
as well.

--Gary

"We don't torture--we freedom-tickle." --Jon Stewart

[Peter R.]

three-eight-hotel > wrote:

> Seems like there have been a lot of these lately, and I don't recall
> coming across it, so my apologies if this one's already run it's course
>
> http://www.kcra.com/video/6649725/index.html

Wow. Disturbing.

I hadn't seen it before.

--
Peter

[Montblack]

("Gary Drescher" wrote)
> Yup, more events of all kinds get caught on cameras these days. Soon it'll
> probably be routine to have cameras built into small planes. Some of the
> stored images will survive crashes, so we'll get to see a pilot's-eye view
> as well.


Nanny-cams built into the top of the tail.

http://www.kcra.com/video/6649725/index.html
K-Crash


Montblack

[Denny]

Yeah, that is a heart stopper... 4 people at the instant of death...
denny

[Jim Burns]

From LifeLine Pilots

RE PWK crash

As many of you are aware a fatal plane accident at PWK-Palwaukee, IL took
place on January 30, 2006 claiming the lives for four individuals. It is
with the deepest regret that LifeLine Pilots must inform you that Mark
Turek, IL volunteer pilot, was among the victims. This flight was not
LifeLine Pilots mission related. Mark had been a volunteer pilot for
LifeLine Pilots since 2000. While his compassion was demonstrated in the
missions he flew, he was also one of the few pilots that flew after the
tragedy on September 11th. The Air Care Alliance and National Aeronautics
Association awarded Mark with a Public Benefit Flying award for the mission
he flew from Palwaukee airport to Bethesda, MD transporting platelets for
Pentagon burn victims.

Services are as follows: Visitation Friday, February 3rd, 4
p.m. to 8 p.m. Funeral service Saturday, February 4th at 1 p.m. at
Donnellan Family Funeral Home, 10045 Skokie Blvd., at Old Orchard Rd,
Skokie, IL. A pilot memorial is planned for February 11th at the PWK
Airport.

The Turek family has requested memorials be made to the Mark Turek Memorial
Scholarship Fund c/o Morgan Stanley, attention Fran Schmidt, 2500 Lake Cook
Rd., Riverwoods, IL 60015.

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

"Denny" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Yeah, that is a heart stopper... 4 people at the instant of death...
> denny
>

Well, then forgive me if I don't look.

But if you enjoy reading about that stuff...

http://www.kjct8.com/news/readnews.cfm?ID=5502

http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/060202/mother.shtml

http://www.katv.com/news/stories/0206/299317.html

http://www.thederrick.com/stories/02022006-4105.shtml

http://www.wcfcourier.com/articles/2006/02/01/news/regional/6adcea91d7f8b4cb862571080042e013.txt

http://www.kbtv4.tv/news/default.asp?mode=shownews&id=10376

http://www.themilwaukeechannel.com/stepsaway/6629196/detail.html

http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-jan3106-garbage_truck_accident.5a637cfc.html

http://www.gazette.net/stories/013106/frednew170407_31925.shtml

http://www.cantondailyledger.com/articles/2006/01/31/news/news7.txt

http://www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/news/local/states/new_jersey/13761701.htm

http://www.woodtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=4429408&nav=0Rce

http://www.ktvb.com/news/localnews/stories/ktvbn-jan3006-car_accident.54185794.html

http://columbiamissourian.com/news/story.php?ID=18100


http://www.wcow.com/html/auto_accidents.html

Enough?

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[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

And, for some variaty...

http://www.11alive.com/news/news_article.aspx?storyid=75543

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/news/localnews/stories/020206dnmetcoppell.16535af7.htm

http://www.cbs5.com/localwire/localfsnews/bcn/2006/01/30/n/HeadlineNews/FATALITY/resources_bcn_html

http://www.kfoxtv.com/news/6620471/detail.html

http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/2254351.html

http://www.mlive.com/news/grpress/index.ssf?/base/news-2/1138722433282140.xml&coll=6

http://www.thewbalchannel.com/news/6582692/detail.html

http://www.miami.com/mld/miamiherald/13710718.htm

http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review/trib/westmoreland/s_417334.html

http://www.newsleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060129/NEWS01/60129001/1002

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/blabbermouth.net/news.aspx?mode=Article&newsitemID=47506

http://www.fox19.com/Global/story.asp?S=4419724&nav=0zHF

http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?BRD=1574&dept_id=532216&newsid=16006582&PAG=461&rfi=9

http://www.latimes.com/news/printedition/california/la-me-ocbriefs28.2jan28,0,2871233.story?coll=la-headlines-pe-california

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/northcounty/20060127-9999-7m27offroad.html

http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/news/local/states/california/northern_california/13664658.htm

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20060118-1310-bn18mcfatal2.html

http://www.enidnews.com/localnews/local_story_024004924.html

http://www.kristv.com/Global/story.asp?S=4409941&nav=Bsmh

http://www.kwtx.com/home/headlines/2223441.html

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[john smith]

In article om>,
"three-eight-hotel" > wrote:

> Seems like there have been a lot of these lately, and I don't recall
> coming across it, so my apologies if this one's already run it's course
> http://www.kcra.com/video/6649725/index.html

Yes, I saw it on the news last night.

[Darkwing]

"three-eight-hotel" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> Seems like there have been a lot of these lately, and I don't recall
> coming across it, so my apologies if this one's already run it's course
>
> http://www.kcra.com/video/6649725/index.html
>
> Best Regards,
> Todd
>

WOW. Straight down, WTF happened? Sad.

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DW

[three-eight-hotel]

That's what struck me... I haven't heard any details about the
accident, but you have to wonder why it went down at that angle and
attitude???

[Darkwing]

"three-eight-hotel" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> That's what struck me... I haven't heard any details about the
> accident, but you have to wonder why it went down at that angle and
> attitude???
>

You wonder if it is a stall/spin stretched glide or icing or something else
but I haven't seen any info.

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DW

[odd lot]

"Darkwing" <theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote in message
...
>
> "three-eight-hotel" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> > That's what struck me... I haven't heard any details about the
> > accident, but you have to wonder why it went down at that angle and
> > attitude???
> >
>
> You wonder if it is a stall/spin stretched glide or icing or something
else
> but I haven't seen any info.
>
> -----------------------------------------------
> DW
>
>
I'm not a pilot so my judgement is not expert, but around 6:15 p.m. on Jan.
31 north of Countryside Lake in Mundelein, I saw the lights of a plane
headed east which made the plane appear to me to be flying very low. It just
didn't seem normal. Only a minute or two before, as I was getting into my
car, I was surprised by ice on it, as it was not very cold nor was it
raining, but the air was definitely damp.

A few hours later, upon hearing the news bulletins on TV of a plane that
crashed just before 6:30 p.m. at Palwaukee, I immediately thought of the
plane I saw earlier. Might it have been flying over Countryside Lake (about
12 mi. NW of Palwaukee) around that time? Would you fly low if icing was a
problem?

MW

[Darkwing]

"odd lot" > wrote in message
. net...
>
> "Darkwing" <theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> "three-eight-hotel" > wrote in message
>> ups.com...
>> > That's what struck me... I haven't heard any details about the
>> > accident, but you have to wonder why it went down at that angle and
>> > attitude???
>> >
>>
>> You wonder if it is a stall/spin stretched glide or icing or something
> else
>> but I haven't seen any info.
>>
>> -----------------------------------------------
>> DW
>>
>>
> I'm not a pilot so my judgement is not expert, but around 6:15 p.m. on
> Jan.
> 31 north of Countryside Lake in Mundelein, I saw the lights of a plane
> headed east which made the plane appear to me to be flying very low. It
> just
> didn't seem normal. Only a minute or two before, as I was getting into my
> car, I was surprised by ice on it, as it was not very cold nor was it
> raining, but the air was definitely damp.
>
> A few hours later, upon hearing the news bulletins on TV of a plane that
> crashed just before 6:30 p.m. at Palwaukee, I immediately thought of the
> plane I saw earlier. Might it have been flying over Countryside Lake
> (about
> 12 mi. NW of Palwaukee) around that time? Would you fly low if icing was a
> problem?
>
> MW
>

Only to try to find warmer air down low above freezing. Air typically cools
as you climb unless there is a temperature inversion. But it is hard to say
if that was the plane or not. I have flown into PWK but I am not familiar
with the area. Could just be a low level VFR corridor over your area and
nothing out of the normal. Guess that is why we pay the NTSB. The plane that
crashed was a twin engine plane.

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DW

[odd lot]

>>>The plane that crashed was a twin engine plane.

DW- Thanks for your comments. Curious as to why you mentioned the above. My
recollection is that the plane was moving more slowly than "normal" as well
as being low. But I reemphasize my lack of expertise in such matters.

MW

[Oddlot]

Sorry-- the date of my observation and the crash was the 30th not the 31st.

MW

??>>
ol> I'm not a pilot so my judgement is not expert, but around 6:15 p.m. on
ol> Jan. 31 north of Countryside Lake in Mundelein, I saw the lights of a
ol> plane headed east which made the plane appear to me to be flying very
ol> low. It just didn't seem normal. Only a minute or two before, as I was
ol> getting into my car, I was surprised by ice on it, as it was not very
ol> cold nor was it raining, but the air was definitely damp.

ol> A few hours later, upon hearing the news bulletins on TV of a plane
ol> that crashed just before 6:30 p.m. at Palwaukee, I immediately thought
ol> of the plane I saw earlier. Might it have been flying over Countryside
ol> Lake (about 12 mi. NW of Palwaukee) around that time? Would you fly low
ol> if icing was a problem?


With best regards, Oddlot. E-mail:

[Darkwing]

"odd lot" > wrote in message
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>
>>>>The plane that crashed was a twin engine plane.
>
> DW- Thanks for your comments. Curious as to why you mentioned the above.
> My
> recollection is that the plane was moving more slowly than "normal" as
> well
> as being low. But I reemphasize my lack of expertise in such matters.
>
> MW
>


Because if you noticed that it was a single engine it wouldn't be the
accident plane, that was all. Maybe the plane you seen was "scud running"
which is where a pilot has not filed IFR in crappy conditions continues
flying into bad weather and they have to get low below of the cloud ceiling,
good way to become a statistic.

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DW