Student Pilot & skydivers

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Question; Student pilot drops 3 sky divers from a C-172 and FAA says
they are going to violate him but his CFI comes to rescue and saves the
day......
HOW?
BTW - this is a real story and event that took place nearly 40 years
ago in Louisiana.

[Steven P. McNicoll]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Question; Student pilot drops 3 sky divers from a C-172 and FAA says
> they are going to violate him but his CFI comes to rescue and saves the
> day......
> HOW?
>

The CFI endorsed him to solo before being the third skydiver out of the
airplane.

[Mike Weller]

On 3 Feb 2006 13:51:52 -0800, wrote:

>Question; Student pilot drops 3 sky divers from a C-172 and FAA says
>they are going to violate him but his CFI comes to rescue and saves the
>day......
>HOW?
>BTW - this is a real story and event that took place nearly 40 years
>ago in Louisiana.

A lot of things went on with sky divers back then.

I had my commercial license, so I wasn't exactly a student pilot.

But I flew out of short runways with a "fully loaded" airplane.

Mike Weller

[Jim Macklin]

CFI was last one out.


> wrote in message
oups.com...
| Question; Student pilot drops 3 sky divers from a C-172
and FAA says
| they are going to violate him but his CFI comes to rescue
and saves the
| day......
| HOW?
| BTW - this is a real story and event that took place
nearly 40 years
| ago in Louisiana.
|

[Bela P. Havasreti]

On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 18:30:07 -0600, Mike Weller
> wrote:

Buddy of mine used to fly skydiving ops in the early 1970s.

One time, after a long, hot climb to altitude in a 182, as the
skydivers exited, one of them grabbed the ignition key, turned
it to the "OFF" position and promptly exited the aircraft with the
key in his hand (my fiend, choices somewhat limited, glided back
to the airport below and dead-sticked her in).

After that, he always carried a spare key in his pocket for the
skydiving airplane he happened to be flying....

Bela P. Havasreti

>On 3 Feb 2006 13:51:52 -0800, wrote:
>
>>Question; Student pilot drops 3 sky divers from a C-172 and FAA says
>>they are going to violate him but his CFI comes to rescue and saves the
>>day......
>>HOW?
>>BTW - this is a real story and event that took place nearly 40 years
>>ago in Louisiana.
>
>A lot of things went on with sky divers back then.
>
>I had my commercial license, so I wasn't exactly a student pilot.
>
>But I flew out of short runways with a "fully loaded" airplane.
>
>Mike Weller
>
>

[nooneimportant]

Hate to say it... but there would be a serious ass whoppin once back on
terra firma....


>
> Buddy of mine used to fly skydiving ops in the early 1970s.
>
> One time, after a long, hot climb to altitude in a 182, as the
> skydivers exited, one of them grabbed the ignition key, turned
> it to the "OFF" position and promptly exited the aircraft with the
> key in his hand (my fiend, choices somewhat limited, glided back
> to the airport below and dead-sticked her in).
>
> After that, he always carried a spare key in his pocket for the
> skydiving airplane he happened to be flying....
>
> Bela P. Havasreti
>
>>On 3 Feb 2006 13:51:52 -0800, wrote:
>>
>>>Question; Student pilot drops 3 sky divers from a C-172 and FAA says
>>>they are going to violate him but his CFI comes to rescue and saves the
>>>day......
>>>HOW?
>>>BTW - this is a real story and event that took place nearly 40 years
>>>ago in Louisiana.
>>
>>A lot of things went on with sky divers back then.
>>
>>I had my commercial license, so I wasn't exactly a student pilot.
>>
>>But I flew out of short runways with a "fully loaded" airplane.
>>
>>Mike Weller
>>
>>
>
>

[Ron Natalie]

Jim Macklin wrote:
> CFI was last one out.
>
You stay here, I'm going for help...

[george]

Bela P. Havasreti wrote:
> On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 18:30:07 -0600, Mike Weller
> > wrote:
>
> Buddy of mine used to fly skydiving ops in the early 1970s.
>
> One time, after a long, hot climb to altitude in a 182, as the
> skydivers exited, one of them grabbed the ignition key, turned
> it to the "OFF" position and promptly exited the aircraft with the
> key in his hand (my fiend, choices somewhat limited, glided back
> to the airport below and dead-sticked her in).
>
> After that, he always carried a spare key in his pocket for the
> skydiving airplane he happened to be flying....
>

the urban legend that got done to death some years ago in the skydiving
group...

I don't know the US regs but I rather suspect they're like ours and
unlicensed illegal interfering with an aircraft carries a large fine
and jail time..

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On Sun, 05 Feb 2006 09:09:08 -0600, Rachel > wrote:

>You know, I've heard that story so many times, and I know it's supposed
>to be funny, but all I can think is how irresponsible it is.

Years ago, my skydiving instructor showed up seriously hungover to
make his first jump with the college skydiving club. When he
attempted to deploy his main canopy, his pilot chute was connected to
a bedsheet full of empty beer cans.

He told me this story after my second static jump, he was the last one
out of the airplane that day, streamered, and had to come down on the
reserve.

Didn't really seem like the beer can thing bugged him, I would have
been seriously peeved.

My first boss told me that two things free-fall out of the sky-bird
poop and assholes...

TC

[Flyingmonk]

This thread is stuck in a timewarp!

The Monk

[Rachel]

Bela P. Havasreti wrote:
> On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 18:30:07 -0600, Mike Weller
> > wrote:
>
> Buddy of mine used to fly skydiving ops in the early 1970s.
>
> One time, after a long, hot climb to altitude in a 182, as the
> skydivers exited, one of them grabbed the ignition key, turned
> it to the "OFF" position and promptly exited the aircraft with the
> key in his hand (my fiend, choices somewhat limited, glided back
> to the airport below and dead-sticked her in).
>
> After that, he always carried a spare key in his pocket for the
> skydiving airplane he happened to be flying....

You know, I've heard that story so many times, and I know it's supposed
to be funny, but all I can think is how irresponsible it is.

[Todd W. Deckard]

"Rachel" > wrote in message
. ..

> You know, I've heard that story so many times, and I know it's supposed to
> be funny, but all I can think is how irresponsible it is.

Its a form of check-out: If you cannot manage on on-field landing from ten
thousand
feet above it you probably shouldn't be hauling jumpers in beat up jump
planes all day,
and if you'll come back after a stunt like that you're probably cool to
party with.

Todd

[Morgans]

"Todd W. Deckard" > wrote

> Its a form of check-out: If you cannot manage on on-field landing from ten
> thousand
> feet above it you probably shouldn't be hauling jumpers in beat up jump
> planes all day,
> and if you'll come back after a stunt like that you're probably cool to
> party with.
\\
Yeah, I would party with the dude; right after I coldcocked him.
--
Jim in NC

[Rachel]

Todd W. Deckard wrote:
> "Rachel" > wrote in message
> . ..
>
>
>>You know, I've heard that story so many times, and I know it's supposed to
>>be funny, but all I can think is how irresponsible it is.
>
>
> Its a form of check-out: If you cannot manage on on-field landing from ten
> thousand
> feet above it you probably shouldn't be hauling jumpers in beat up jump
> planes all day,
> and if you'll come back after a stunt like that you're probably cool to
> party with.
>
> Todd
>
>
Still a violation of the FAR's.

Personally, I stay far away from skydivers.

[Rachel]

george wrote:
> Bela P. Havasreti wrote:
<snip>
>
> the urban legend that got done to death some years ago in the skydiving
> group...
>
> I don't know the US regs but I rather suspect they're like ours and
> unlicensed illegal interfering with an aircraft carries a large fine
> and jail time..

§ 91.11 Prohibition on interference with crewmembers.

No person may assault, threaten, intimidate, or interfere with a
crewmember in the performance of the crewmember's duties aboard an
aircraft being operated.



Don't know what the penalty would be, but it it's in the FAR's...

[george]

Rachel wrote:
> Todd W. Deckard wrote:
> > "Rachel" > wrote in message
> > . ..
> >
> >
> >>You know, I've heard that story so many times, and I know it's supposed to
> >>be funny, but all I can think is how irresponsible it is.
> >
> >
> > Its a form of check-out: If you cannot manage on on-field landing from ten
> > thousand
> > feet above it you probably shouldn't be hauling jumpers in beat up jump
> > planes all day,
> > and if you'll come back after a stunt like that you're probably cool to
> > party with.
> >
> > Todd
> >
> >
> Still a violation of the FAR's.
>
> Personally, I stay far away from skydivers.

I did a rating for jump pilot and as a consequence had a couple of
jumps..
In my opinion no-one would be stupid enough to pull that trick but were
they that would be the end of their skydiving and the beginning of
their working career with a criminal conviction.
And.
I could (and did most times) get back onto the ground before the load !

[muff528]

>
> Personally, I stay far away from skydivers.

Dam low-life scum! It's just unnatural to leave the
ground in an aircraft hundreds, maybe thousands, more
times than returning in one. :-)

Blue ones!,
Tony P.

[Rachel]

george wrote:
> Rachel wrote:
>
>>Todd W. Deckard wrote:
>>
>>>"Rachel" > wrote in message
. ..
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>You know, I've heard that story so many times, and I know it's supposed to
>>>>be funny, but all I can think is how irresponsible it is.
>>>
>>>
>>>Its a form of check-out: If you cannot manage on on-field landing from ten
>>>thousand
>>>feet above it you probably shouldn't be hauling jumpers in beat up jump
>>>planes all day,
>>>and if you'll come back after a stunt like that you're probably cool to
>>>party with.
>>>
>>>Todd
>>>
>>>
>>
>>Still a violation of the FAR's.
>>
>>Personally, I stay far away from skydivers.
>
>
> I did a rating for jump pilot and as a consequence had a couple of
> jumps..
> In my opinion no-one would be stupid enough to pull that trick but were
> they that would be the end of their skydiving and the beginning of
> their working career with a criminal conviction.

I don't know, would anyone actually get in criminal trouble for that?

[Mike Weller]

On Sat, 4 Feb 2006 07:00:24 GMT, Bela P. Havasreti
> wrote:

>On Fri, 03 Feb 2006 18:30:07 -0600, Mike Weller
> wrote:
>
>Buddy of mine used to fly skydiving ops in the early 1970s.
>
>One time, after a long, hot climb to altitude in a 182, as the
>skydivers exited, one of them grabbed the ignition key, turned
>it to the "OFF" position and promptly exited the aircraft with the
>key in his hand (my fiend, choices somewhat limited, glided back
>to the airport below and dead-sticked her in).
>
>After that, he always carried a spare key in his pocket for the
>skydiving airplane he happened to be flying....
>
>Bela P. Havasreti
>

I've heard that too.

It never happened to me, but flying a 182, it would not be something
that would really cause a problem. After all, they were over the
airport.

It's not that hard to land a 182 on a 2000 foot runway that's not used
for anything other than sky diving. Just get off the runway for the
182.

In my experience, of course, there were more problems with hauling sky
divers than having to just glide the plane back to the runway.

And I mean this in the best way. To a one, all of the sky divers that
I've met were meticulous in their equipment and the overall operation
of the way that they did things. First rate in every aspect.

Mike Weller

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Mr. Todd
Right on.....Having hauled jumpers/jumping as far back as 1959 and as a
pilot with nearly 23,000 hours, I have to agree. Have flown some real
junk over the years, and have jumped with some real junk over the
years. Have you ever seen the pic of the 13 floaters on the B-18 south
of Perris? I was the pilot of that one in 1985.
I remember one time with a high altitude jump when an oxygen bottle was
being passed back and forth, and one of the jumpers puked into the mask
and jumped....the following jumper got the puke and chased the guy to
the ground. Lyle Cameron, Duke Adair, Bob Sinclair, me, and some others
that I'll recall with time..... Duke was laughing so hard he didn't
feel the guys whipping on his stupid ass......
What ever happened to the old days besides being part of history?

[Mike Weller]

On 6 Feb 2006 10:25:18 -0800, wrote:

>Mr. Todd
>Right on.....Having hauled jumpers/jumping as far back as 1959 and as a
>pilot with nearly 23,000 hours, I have to agree. Have flown some real
>junk over the years, and have jumped with some real junk over the
>years. Have you ever seen the pic of the 13 floaters on the B-18 south
>of Perris? I was the pilot of that one in 1985.
>I remember one time with a high altitude jump when an oxygen bottle was
>being passed back and forth, and one of the jumpers puked into the mask
>and jumped....the following jumper got the puke and chased the guy to
>the ground. Lyle Cameron, Duke Adair, Bob Sinclair, me, and some others
>that I'll recall with time..... Duke was laughing so hard he didn't
>feel the guys whipping on his stupid ass......
>What ever happened to the old days besides being part of history?

You know, one the worst things about hauling sky divers is that about
half way to reaching altitude, they fart. You can open the doors, all
of the windows, and stick your head out of the airplane. For some
reason, the smell sticks to you. And you're only half way to the
altitude to let them out.

Mike Weller

[Tri-Pacer]

> the ground. Lyle Cameron, Duke Adair, Bob Sinclair, me, and some others
> that I'll recall with time..... Duke was laughing so hard he didn't
> feel the guys whipping on his stupid ass......
> What ever happened to the old days besides being part of history?
>

You bring back the memories.

I've got a bunch of those names in my old log books from Elsinore and other
places in So Cal.

Cheers:

Paul
N1431A

[Gary]

> I don't know, would anyone actually get in criminal trouble for that?

Absolutely! I could see the pilot doing time for justifiable homicide,
or at the very least aggrevated assault...

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Denny Manning, Dave Burt, Jim Hall, Duffy Dufriend, Jim Mongillo, Russ
Carpenter?, Don Rumble, Al Campbell, uhhh.....a couple more who I can
see clearly and names are just outside the memory range.....Bud
Keesow(sp), uhhhh uuhhmmmmm.......grumblegrumble
Rocky

[Morgans]

> wrote

> Have you ever seen the pic of the 13 floaters on the B-18 south
> of Perris? I was the pilot of that one in 1985.
>
Do you have a link?

By the way, remember - farts are funny! <g>

*Most* of the time!
--
Jim in NC