Depression and flying

[Flyingmonk]

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Pilot intentionally downs Butte-based helicopter into Helena hayfield

By Martin J. Kidston for Lee Montana Newspapers - 02/07/2006



HELENA - A 21-year-old flight instructor from Butte apparently
committed suicide Monday by crashing his company's helicopter into a
Helena hayfield, but only after placing a call to the air traffic
control tower and informing them of his intentions.
The man, identified as Patrick Pfeifhofer, of Italy, was working as a
flight instructor for Silver State Helicopters in Butte on a visa.

The helicopter, a Robinson R-44, crashed off Lincoln Road about three
miles north of the Helena Regional Airport at about 12:17 a.m.

Lewis and Clark Coroner Mickey Nelson said it appeared that Pfeifhofer
intended to kill himself based on a conversation that took place
moments before the crash between him and air traffic controllers.

"It appears he didn't want to hurt anyone,'' Nelson said. "He
stated that in one of his conversations. He said he loved America and
that he didn't want to hurt anyone. It seems likely at this point
that it was a suicide.''

Jerry Airola, president of Silver State Helicopters in Nevada, said
Pfeifhofer's actions had left many saddened and shocked.

"It devastated a lot of people,'' Airola said. "We did a stand
down today. We're not doing any flying. We'll bring in counselors
for those who need to talk about it.''

Airola said Pfeifhofer was an Italian citizen who first began working
for Silver State in Colorado.



He transferred to the Butte office several months ago and had become a
proficient instructor, Airola said.

"It was his birthday yesterday, and he went to a Super Bowl party
where apparently he got in a fight with his girlfriend,'' Airola
said. "They broke up and he went to the airport and took one of the
helicopters.''

Airola said Pfeifhofer attempted to call his girlfriend on his cell
phone, along with his sister in Italy.

Later, Airola said, Pfeifhofer radioed Helena's air traffic control
tower and announced his intentions to commit suicide by crashing the
helicopter into the ground.

"He said 'I love America and I don't want to see anyone get
hurt,''' Airola said. "As an employee, he had access to the
helicopters there in Butte. I think he knew what he was going to do
before he even took off because he moved some of the newer aircraft out
of the way to get to the oldest one.''

Airola said the 1999-model aircraft was valued at around $300,000, much
less than the company's newer models.

Mike Fergus, a public affairs specialist with the Northwest Mountain
Region of the Federal Aviation Administration, confirmed earlier in the
day that the aircraft was in fact registered to Silver State
Helicopters.

The company is based in Nevada and leases an aviation hangar at the
Bert Mooney Airport in Butte where it offers the helicopter flight
school where Pfeifhofer worked as an instructor.

"The helicopter crashed under unknown circumstances 10 miles north of
Helena,'' Fergus said Monday morning, declining to comment on the
crash. "It was destroyed by fire with one person on board.''

Lewis and Clark County Sheriff Cheryl Liedle said the first emergency
call rang in at 12:17 a.m. reporting a fire in the Helena Valley.

It wasn't until deputies arrived at the scene did they realize a
helicopter had crashed about 200 yards from the three houses off
Lincoln Road.

Liedle said the crash sparked a fire that was quickly extinguished by
the West Valley and Lewis and Clark volunteer fire departments.

Others in the valley reported seeing a small fireball in the area of
the crash. One man said his son watched the accident unfold.

"There wasn't much left of the helicopter,'' Liedle said.

Fergus said the National Transportation Safety Board had dispatched an
investigator to the scene from Seattle to examine the crash.

The FAA, he added, would examine any flight anomalies, including the
pilot's rating and his medical history.

Silver State Helicopters employs 450 people in 22 locations and owns
about 180 helicopters, the company said.

Coroner Nelson said Pfeifhofer's body would be sent to the State
Crime Lab in Missoula for an autopsy.

"We're tying to get the family notified over in Italy,'' Nelson
said. "They do it a little different there than we do it here. This
is definitely a different situation.''

[[email protected]]

Wow, some people just can't deal...

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, "Flyingmonk" > said:
>HELENA - A 21-year-old flight instructor from Butte apparently
>committed suicide Monday by crashing his company's helicopter into a
>Helena hayfield, but only after placing a call to the air traffic
>control tower and informing them of his intentions.
>The man, identified as Patrick Pfeifhofer, of Italy, was working as a
>flight instructor for Silver State Helicopters in Butte on a visa.

I spent two years without a medical because I took Welbutrin for two
months. Is it any wonder that pilots who suspect that they are suffering
from depression don't seek treatment?


--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
"Grove giveth and Gates taketh away."
- Bob Metcalfe (inventor of Ethernet) on the trend of hardware speedups
not being able to keep up with software demands

[Jim Macklin]

Suicidal people should not use the following methods to kill
themselves... because it injures other people or destroys
property... and it is bad publicity and leads to bad laws...
crashing airplanes and helicopters
shooting yourself
stabbing yourself
crashing your car
jumping off of buildings can hurt people on the ground
poison

I suggest that a 20 foot steel cable, such as used with
garage doors and available at all home centers, placed
around the neck is quick, probably painless and 100%
effective if you jump from a 40 foot bridge. If you do it
over a river at full flood, there won't even be a funeral
and the cable won't even be seen for about 6 years since
your head and body will NOT be hanging there to draw
attention.

Anybody want to take bets that the guy was an Italian with
German ancestors, with troubles from his girlfriend because
she meet somebody else on the Internet?



"Paul Tomblin" > wrote in message
...
| In a previous article, "Flyingmonk" >
said:
| >HELENA - A 21-year-old flight instructor from Butte
apparently
| >committed suicide Monday by crashing his company's
helicopter into a
| >Helena hayfield, but only after placing a call to the air
traffic
| >control tower and informing them of his intentions.
| >The man, identified as Patrick Pfeifhofer, of Italy, was
working as a
| >flight instructor for Silver State Helicopters in Butte
on a visa.
|
| I spent two years without a medical because I took
Welbutrin for two
| months. Is it any wonder that pilots who suspect that
they are suffering
| from depression don't seek treatment?
|
|
| --
| Paul Tomblin >
http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
| "Grove giveth and Gates taketh away."
| - Bob Metcalfe (inventor of Ethernet) on the trend of
hardware speedups
| not being able to keep up with software demands

[[email protected]]

>>>Anybody want to take bets that the guy was an Italian with
German ancestors, with troubles from his girlfriend because
she meet somebody else on the Internet? <<<

That sounds like a subject for Jerry Springer.

[Jay Honeck]

> I spent two years without a medical because I took Welbutrin for two
> months. Is it any wonder that pilots who suspect that they are suffering
> from depression don't seek treatment?

It truly is a Catch-22 situation, and I'm sure the FAA's current policy has
made liars out of many hundreds of pilots.

Luckily (for me), flying itself is a catch-all cure for depressions of all
kinds...

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Skylune]

>>by (Paul Tomblin) Feb 9, 2006 at 02:42 PM


I spent two years without a medical because I took Welbutrin for two
months. Is it any wonder that pilots who suspect that they are suffering
from depression don't seek treatment?<<

A serious submission from me:

Suspended for two years! That's a long time. Wellbutrin is the same
medication used in an anti smoking drug (Zyban). I wonder if treatment
for anti-smoking using Zyban disqualifies you for medical.

Personally, I don't smoke, but a few years back (in '01) I was on Lexapro
for a few months after sudden death of a loved one. I resisted the doc's
advice to take it(the whole macho thing: sign of weakness, just get over
it, that sort of thing), but after I took it for a while I felt better,
and phased it out.

Would that episode prevent me from getting a real license (PPL)? (I'm not
interested in the sport license, which strikes me as a waste of time unless
you wanna fly in circles for fun...)

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, "Skylune" > said:
>Suspended for two years! That's a long time. Wellbutrin is the same
>medication used in an anti smoking drug (Zyban). I wonder if treatment
>for anti-smoking using Zyban disqualifies you for medical.

Yes, Zyban is disqualifying.

>Personally, I don't smoke, but a few years back (in '01) I was on Lexapro
>for a few months after sudden death of a loved one. I resisted the doc's

Lexapro is also disqualifying. As is any other SSRI antidepressant.

>Would that episode prevent me from getting a real license (PPL)? (I'm not
>interested in the sport license, which strikes me as a waste of time unless
>you wanna fly in circles for fun...)

To get a medical, you'd have to prove that the drug is no longer affecting
you (which isn't hard if you haven't taken it in a few weeks) but also
that the condition that it's treating no longer affects you. Both my
primary care physician and my psychologist had to write letters to the FAA
for me. Then it took them over a year to process them, because half of
the doctors in the aeromedical branch were called up by their reserve
units. Then I got a special issuance for a year, and after the year was
up the FAA needed letters from the PCP and psychologist again, and then I
got a normal medical.


--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
You cannot run Windows innocently. Guilt of aiding & abetting, at
the very least, is automatic.
-- David P. Murphy

[Skylune]

>>To get a medical, you'd have to prove that the drug is no longer
affecting
you (which isn't hard if you haven't taken it in a few weeks) but also
that the condition that it's treating no longer affects you. Both my
primary care physician and my psychologist had to write letters to the
FAA
for me. Then it took them over a year to process them, because half of
the doctors in the aeromedical branch were called up by their reserve
units. Then I got a special issuance for a year, and after the year was
up the FAA needed letters from the PCP and psychologist again, and then I
got a normal medical.<<

(I know I'm opening myself up for a ton of abuse, but what the hell....)

So it was the stupid bureaucracy that held you up, rather than any kind of
waiting period. That's good info. Thanx.

Since my episode of blackness was several years ago without a relapse
(I've learned to vent a bit more... ;-) ), would I need to declare that?

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Skylune" > wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
>>>To get a medical, you'd have to prove that the drug is no longer
> affecting
> you (which isn't hard if you haven't taken it in a few weeks) but also
> that the condition that it's treating no longer affects you. Both my
> primary care physician and my psychologist had to write letters to the
> FAA
> for me. Then it took them over a year to process them, because half of
> the doctors in the aeromedical branch were called up by their reserve
> units. Then I got a special issuance for a year, and after the year was
> up the FAA needed letters from the PCP and psychologist again, and then I
> got a normal medical.<<
>
> (I know I'm opening myself up for a ton of abuse, but what the hell....)
>
> So it was the stupid bureaucracy that held you up, rather than any kind of
> waiting period. That's good info. Thanx.
>
> Since my episode of blackness was several years ago without a relapse
> (I've learned to vent a bit more... ;-) ), would I need to declare that?
>
>
>

Yes you would.

[Dylan Smith]

On 2006-02-09, Jim Macklin <p51mustang> wrote:
> effective if you jump from a 40 foot bridge. If you do it
> over a river at full flood, there won't even be a funeral
> and the cable won't even be seen for about 6 years since
> your head and body will NOT be hanging there to draw
> attention.

A bit macabre, but it wouldn't need to be at full flood - a 20 foot drop
using steel cable will probably cause decapitation, so all that'll be
left will be some steel wire and the head/body washed downstream.
--
Dylan Smith, Port St Mary, Isle of Man
Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
Oolite-Linux: an Elite tribute: http://oolite-linux.berlios.de
Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net

[Jose]

Dylan Smith wrote:
> A bit macabre, but it wouldn't need to be at full flood - a 20 foot drop
> using steel cable will probably cause decapitation

One is conscious for several seconds after decapitation.

Jose

[Jim Macklin]

It would make a good movie plot, the full flood was just an
added thought so the parts would be a long way away. If you
had a suit of chain mail or armor on so the body would not
bloat and come to the surface and a steel knights helmet so
the head would also sink...

I guess I've been watching too many episodes of Buffy and
Angel.

A ten foot drop on a rope can cause decapitation, you can
find pictures of the hanging of Black Bart (a white stage
coach robber about 1900) or even recently of a young man
running from the police in Atlanta who jumped over a bridge
rail and had his head caught on a spiked fence (Google
"decapitation Atlanta") brings it up.

When do you expect to see riot control police with Homelite
chain saws instead of clubs?



--
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But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
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"Dylan Smith" > wrote in message
...
| On 2006-02-09, Jim Macklin <p51mustang> wrote:
| > effective if you jump from a 40 foot bridge. If you do
it
| > over a river at full flood, there won't even be a
funeral
| > and the cable won't even be seen for about 6 years since
| > your head and body will NOT be hanging there to draw
| > attention.
|
| A bit macabre, but it wouldn't need to be at full flood -
a 20 foot drop
| using steel cable will probably cause decapitation, so all
that'll be
| left will be some steel wire and the head/body washed
downstream.
| --
| Dylan Smith, Port St Mary, Isle of Man
| Flying: http://www.dylansmith.net
| Oolite-Linux: an Elite tribute:
http://oolite-linux.berlios.de
| Frontier Elite Universe: http://www.alioth.net

[Jim Macklin]

How do you know? Is there any tests that have been done to
verify consciousness after decapatitation, perhaps the Nazi
doctors had some Jews wired up before the final solution or
maybe the current Nazi descendents, the Islamic terrorists
kept good records. But their latest "tests" involved slow
throat, muscle and finally spinal cord cutting, so that pain
would be maximized. But a quick snapping of the spinal cord
as the head and body are jerked apart would be quick. A few
beers or a Valium would probably handle that (just a guess).


"Jose" > wrote in message
oups.com...
|
| Dylan Smith wrote:
| > A bit macabre, but it wouldn't need to be at full
flood - a 20 foot drop
| > using steel cable will probably cause decapitation
|
| One is conscious for several seconds after decapitation.
|
| Jose
|

[Gene Seibel]

http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a5_262.html
--
Gene Seibel
Gene & Sue's Flying Machine - http://pad39a.com/gene/
Because we fly, we envy no one.

[Jim Macklin]

Interesting, but a clean cut well below the head by a
guillotine does not damage the brain. And as all pilots
should know from their training in hypoxia, the brain has
about a 10-15 second supply of oxygenated blood between the
heart and brain [time of useful consciousness]. But with
the head jerked off the spine, the brain stem is damaged,
the brain itself is ripped in a manner to cause a hemorrhage
and damage to the brain. Personally, I want to die from
being ravaged by a dozen or so teenage girls when I'm much
older than I am now. I hope my brain stays conscious to the
end.



"Gene Seibel" > wrote in message
ps.com...
| http://www.straightdope.com/classics/a5_262.html
| --
| Gene Seibel
| Gene & Sue's Flying Machine - http://pad39a.com/gene/
| Because we fly, we envy no one.
|

[Matt Whiting]

Jose wrote:
> Dylan Smith wrote:
>
>>A bit macabre, but it wouldn't need to be at full flood - a 20 foot drop
>>using steel cable will probably cause decapitation
>
>
> One is conscious for several seconds after decapitation.

Do you have first-hand experience here? You must be a fast typist!

Matt

[Dave Stadt]

"Matt Whiting" > wrote in message
...
> Jose wrote:
>> Dylan Smith wrote:
>>
>>>A bit macabre, but it wouldn't need to be at full flood - a 20 foot drop
>>>using steel cable will probably cause decapitation
>>
>>
>> One is conscious for several seconds after decapitation.
>
> Do you have first-hand experience here? You must be a fast typist!
>
> Matt

During the French Revolution there were some experiments done seeing as the
guillotine was in frequent use. One I remember was two fellows set up an
experiment. The deal was he who lost his head was to blink as often as
possible after the blade fell. As I remember he was able to blink 9 times
or so before it was all over.

[NW_PILOT]

"Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
news:PcMGf.79298$QW2.7949@dukeread08...
> How do you know? Is there any tests that have been done to
> verify consciousness after decapatitation, perhaps the Nazi
> doctors had some Jews wired up before the final solution or
> maybe the current Nazi descendents, the Islamic terrorists
> kept good records. But their latest "tests" involved slow
> throat, muscle and finally spinal cord cutting, so that pain
> would be maximized. But a quick snapping of the spinal cord
> as the head and body are jerked apart would be quick. A few
> beers or a Valium would probably handle that (just a guess).


The Nazi's killed more than just Jews! The Jews just keep whining about it.

[NW_PILOT]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:l0JGf.756489$x96.135591@attbi_s72...
> > I spent two years without a medical because I took Welbutrin for two
> > months. Is it any wonder that pilots who suspect that they are
suffering
> > from depression don't seek treatment?
>
> It truly is a Catch-22 situation, and I'm sure the FAA's current policy
has
> made liars out of many hundreds of pilots.
>
> Luckily (for me), flying itself is a catch-all cure for depressions of all
> kinds...
>
> :-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
>

I am with ya there Jay, I get depressed when I cannot fly hop in an airplane
and all is good. Oh! I may be passing through Iowa City soon with a
Commander I may be ferrying.

[NW_PILOT]

"Paul Tomblin" > wrote in message
...
> In a previous article, "Skylune" > said:
> >Suspended for two years! That's a long time. Wellbutrin is the same
> >medication used in an anti smoking drug (Zyban). I wonder if treatment
> >for anti-smoking using Zyban disqualifies you for medical.
>
> Yes, Zyban is disqualifying.
>
> >Personally, I don't smoke, but a few years back (in '01) I was on Lexapro
> >for a few months after sudden death of a loved one. I resisted the doc's
>
> Lexapro is also disqualifying. As is any other SSRI antidepressant.
>
> >Would that episode prevent me from getting a real license (PPL)? (I'm
not
> >interested in the sport license, which strikes me as a waste of time
unless
> >you wanna fly in circles for fun...)
>
> To get a medical, you'd have to prove that the drug is no longer affecting
> you (which isn't hard if you haven't taken it in a few weeks) but also
> that the condition that it's treating no longer affects you.


Wow! Zyban for smoking Lose Medical Stop taking Zyban Start Smoking again
never get medical back! Ouch!!!! Glad I Quit Cold Turkey over 2 years ago
now not 1 relapse!

[Al]

So, you admit to treating a depression? Even with Flying, any depression
requiring treatment is disqualifying.

Al



"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
news:l0JGf.756489$x96.135591@attbi_s72...
>> I spent two years without a medical because I took Welbutrin for two
>> months. Is it any wonder that pilots who suspect that they are suffering
>> from depression don't seek treatment?
>
> It truly is a Catch-22 situation, and I'm sure the FAA's current policy
> has made liars out of many hundreds of pilots.
>
> Luckily (for me), flying itself is a catch-all cure for depressions of all
> kinds...
>
> :-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, "Jay Honeck" > said:

>> I spent two years without a medical because I took Welbutrin for two
>> months. Is it any wonder that pilots who suspect that they are suffering
>> from depression don't seek treatment?
>
>It truly is a Catch-22 situation, and I'm sure the FAA's current policy has
>made liars out of many hundreds of pilots.
>
>Luckily (for me), flying itself is a catch-all cure for depressions of all
>kinds...

"Feeling a bit down" is not depression. Coming to terms with the fact
that your brother sadistically beat you, tortured you and worse when you
were 12 to 14 is depression. You don't just shake stuff like that off by
going flying.


--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
"If you get upset, emotional, or angry you are not dealing with the
emergency"
-- Rick Grant (quoting RCAF pilot training)

[Marc CYBW]

Many years ago, I was diagnosed with depression because of a lack of ability
to concentrate. I took a mild prescription of Prozac. It helped some.

A few years later I was canoeing in the North West Territories of Canada
(the Nahanni River) on guided tour. The second day (bear with me here) one
of the other paddlers came up to me and asked if I knew that I snored like
there was no tomorrow and that it sounded like I stopped breathing from time
to time. He thought it was sleep apnea and I should look into it.

I did. I had sleep apnea. I did something about it and the doctor asked if I
was on any anti-depressants. I said I was. He said you don't need anti
depressants. You need sleep.

I did.

Several years later I took up flying. In order to get a medical after
declaring that I once took anti-depressants, Transport Canada required
several tests and Doctors letters but I got (and still have ) my medical.

Marc
CYBW

Calgary

"... cold, but it's a dry cold."





"Paul Tomblin" > wrote in message
...
> In a previous article, "Flyingmonk" > said:
>>HELENA - A 21-year-old flight instructor from Butte apparently
>>committed suicide Monday by crashing his company's helicopter into a
>>Helena hayfield, but only after placing a call to the air traffic
>>control tower and informing them of his intentions.
>>The man, identified as Patrick Pfeifhofer, of Italy, was working as a
>>flight instructor for Silver State Helicopters in Butte on a visa.
>
> I spent two years without a medical because I took Welbutrin for two
> months. Is it any wonder that pilots who suspect that they are suffering
> from depression don't seek treatment?
>
>
> --
> Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
> "Grove giveth and Gates taketh away."
> - Bob Metcalfe (inventor of Ethernet) on the trend of hardware
> speedups
> not being able to keep up with software demands

[Rachel]

Al wrote:
> So, you admit to treating a depression? Even with Flying, any depression
> requiring treatment is disqualifying.
>
> Al

I'm not sure that's true. I believe talk therapy is allowed, with
status reports from the treating physician.

[Montblack]

("Paul Tomblin" wrote)
> "Feeling a bit down" is not depression. Coming to terms with the fact
> that your brother sadistically beat you, tortured you and worse when you
> were 12 to 14 is depression. You don't just shake stuff like that off by
> going flying.


I don't even want to know what comes after sadistically beaten and
tortured - yikes.

I've OFTEN wondered when the depression line has been crossed, and how does
the average person recognize it?

I call it deep thinking - clinically they probably refer to it as
ruminating. :-)


Montblack
#5 out of 7 kids ...everyone kicked my arse. And the name calling...

[Jay Honeck]

> I am with ya there Jay, I get depressed when I cannot fly hop in an
> airplane
> and all is good. Oh! I may be passing through Iowa City soon with a
> Commander I may be ferrying.

We'll keep the beer cold for ya!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> So, you admit to treating a depression? Even with Flying, any depression
> requiring treatment is disqualifying.

Wow, now THERE'S a Catch-22!

Flying makes me happy. Not flying makes me sad. I'll need treatment for
depression when I have to stop flying, hopefully in about 40 years.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> I've OFTEN wondered when the depression line has been crossed, and how
> does the average person recognize it?
>
> I call it deep thinking - clinically they probably refer to it as
> ruminating. :-)

Deep thinking leads to depression. That's why writers and artists are
"tortured" -- they can only produce their most excellent work while
suffering.

As someone who spent five years doing little else beside reading, writing
(and thinking about writing) in college, (well, there *was* tequila in
there, somewhere.... :-) I can attest to the fact that ruminating about life
TOO much is counterproductive in the extreme.

The Germans have a great saying: "Work makes life sweet." They're not
referring to the monetary advantages, nor the intellectual exercise.
They're referring to the fact that keeping busy is good for your state of
mind.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> "Feeling a bit down" is not depression. Coming to terms with the fact
> that your brother sadistically beat you, tortured you and worse when you
> were 12 to 14 is depression. You don't just shake stuff like that off by
> going flying.

Sorry, Paul. I hope you know I wasn't making light of your condition, and I
wish you well.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jim Macklin]

Jews, gypsies, Hungarians, Russians, American prisoners
during the Battle of the Bulge, the Nazi was an evil *******
who followed Hitler. Actually the Jews seem to have handled
it pretty well with the phrase, Never Again.



--
The people think the Constitution protects their rights;
But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
http://www.usdoj.gov/olc/secondamendment2.htm
See http://www.fija.org/ more about your rights and duties.


"NW_PILOT" > wrote in
message ...
|
| "Jim Macklin" > wrote
in message
| news:PcMGf.79298$QW2.7949@dukeread08...
| > How do you know? Is there any tests that have been done
to
| > verify consciousness after decapatitation, perhaps the
Nazi
| > doctors had some Jews wired up before the final solution
or
| > maybe the current Nazi descendents, the Islamic
terrorists
| > kept good records. But their latest "tests" involved
slow
| > throat, muscle and finally spinal cord cutting, so that
pain
| > would be maximized. But a quick snapping of the spinal
cord
| > as the head and body are jerked apart would be quick. A
few
| > beers or a Valium would probably handle that (just a
guess).
|
|
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[Grumman-581]

Paul Tomblin wrote:
> "Feeling a bit down" is not depression. Coming to terms with the fact
> that your brother sadistically beat you, tortured you and worse when you
> were 12 to 14 is depression. You don't just shake stuff like that off by
> going flying.

Nawh, you shake that stuff off by going to the gun range with a picture
of your brother... And then going to his house afterwards... In such a
situation, you are depressed because you feel helpless that feel that
you can't do anything about it... The solution is to do something about
it... Take a baseball bat and beat the crap out of the other
individual... When every bone in his body is broken and he's begging
you to put him out of his misery, you'll find that you're not so
depressed anymore... If you're unlucky enough to not be able to do this
because he's already dead, go **** on his grave... Awh 'ell, take a
couple of 6-packs with you so that you'll have plenty of ammo...

After that, go get laid and go flying... Depression cured...

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, "Jay Honeck" > said:
>> "Feeling a bit down" is not depression. Coming to terms with the fact
>> that your brother sadistically beat you, tortured you and worse when you
>> were 12 to 14 is depression. You don't just shake stuff like that off by
>> going flying.
>
>Sorry, Paul. I hope you know I wasn't making light of your condition, and I
>wish you well.

Thanks, Jay.

I'm still pretty bummed out and angry about the whole thing, but after two
years of therapy (including 2 months of Welbutrin to get over a time when
I wasn't making any progress in therapy) I can say pretty confidently that
I'm not depressed any more.

--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
"If Bill Gates had a dime for every time a Windows box crashed...
..... Oh, wait a minute, he already does."

[Skylune]

by "Jay Honeck" > Feb 10, 2006 at 04:28 AM



The Germans have a great saying: "Work makes life sweet." They're not

referring to the monetary advantages, nor the intellectual exercise.
They're referring to the fact that keeping busy is good for your state of

mind.<<

Jay: I'm from Germany: Arbeit macht das Leben Suss. ;-)

[Skylune]

by "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net> Feb 9, 2006 at 10:40 AM


Yes you would.<<

Based on Flyingmonk's experience, do u think a letter from an MD attesting
to no medications, symptom free since '02 be sufficient? thanx.

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Skylune" > wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
> by "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net> Feb 9, 2006 at 10:40 AM
>
>
> Yes you would.<<
>
> Based on Flyingmonk's experience, do u think a letter from an MD attesting
> to no medications, symptom free since '02 be sufficient? thanx.
>
>
>

Who knows what FAA Medical division is going to do. It won't help when we
send in a complete history of your postings to the REC.AVIATION groups.

[Skylune]

>>by "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net> Feb 10, 2006 at 11:32 AM


>
> Based on Flyingmonk's experience, do u think a letter from an MD
attesting
> to no medications, symptom free since '02 be sufficient? thanx.
>
>
>

Who knows what FAA Medical division is going to do. It won't help when we

send in a complete history of your postings to the REC.AVIATION groups<<

;-), LOL. I can always claim that some unauthorized person was using my
computer!

And maybe change my handle back to my original longtime Yahoo ID:
skilune. Skylune is just a nom de guerre for my aviation related
questions and/or rants.

[Al]

Yes, it would. I am going through that right now, Prozac for many years,
and the FAA wants to see 90 days without the meds, and an evaluation by an
MD. My test
is Monday.

Al




"Skylune" > wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
> by "Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net> Feb 9, 2006 at 10:40 AM
>
>
> Yes you would.<<
>
> Based on Flyingmonk's experience, do u think a letter from an MD attesting
> to no medications, symptom free since '02 be sufficient? thanx.
>
>
>

[Jay Honeck]

> Jay: I'm from Germany: Arbeit macht das Leben Suss. ;-)

Ha! I haven't heard that since I was a kid, when my Grandma Schmidt would
mutter it once in a while...

Is that spelled right? I seem to remember it differently -- but the words
*sound* the same.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Morgans]

"NW_PILOT" > wrote

> The Nazi's killed more than just Jews! The Jews just keep whining about
it.

Why, there is a comment, from a fine, outstanding person, handled with his
usual maturity and tact.

Why do you hang out in a place, populated mainly by adults, NW? Grow up,
then come back!

You disgust me, on every level, with this newest comment.
--
Jim in NC

[Morgans]

"Marc CYBW" > wrote

> He said you don't need anti
> depressants. You need sleep.
>
> I did.
>
> Several years later I took up flying. In order to get a medical after
> declaring that I once took anti-depressants, Transport Canada required
> several tests and Doctors letters but I got (and still have ) my medical.

So, what did you do to help with the sleep apnea? Or did you have to do
anything?
--
Jim in NC

[JJS]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message news:<oDUGf.545508$084.69894@attbi_s22>...

snip

>

> Deep thinking leads to depression.

>

snip

Damn! So my wife is right. I am shallow! No.. no that can't be right. it would be too depressing and that would mean
I'm a deep thinker. she's still wrong. wait I'm confused. where's the tequila?

Joe Schneider

N8437R



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[Jay Honeck]

> Damn! So my wife is right. I am shallow! No.. no that can't be right. it
> would be too depressing and that would mean I'm a deep thinker. she's
> still wrong. wait I'm confused. where's the tequila?

Just keep your hands busy and mind muddled...you'll be fine...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Skylune]

by "Jay Honeck" > Feb 11, 2006 at 01:42 AM


> Jay: I'm from Germany: Arbeit macht das Leben Suss. ;-)

Ha! I haven't heard that since I was a kid, when my Grandma Schmidt
would

mutter it once in a while...

Is that spelled right? I seem to remember it differently -- but the
words

*sound* the same<<

Ja sicher. It is spelled correctly. Except, I don't know how to put the
umlaub over the "u" is Suss.

[Skylune]

by "Al" > Feb 10, 2006 at 04:54 PM


Yes, it would. I am going through that right now, Prozac for many years,

and the FAA wants to see 90 days without the meds, and an evaluation by
an

MD. My test
is Monday.

Al<<

Good luck, Al, and thanks for the advice.