Accident or Incident?

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A student pilot does a poor recovery on a botched landing and pushes it
over and gets the prop, forces the nose gear up into the cowling hard
enough to cause some wrinkles in the firewall. Recovers it on the
subsequent follow-thru and taxis in to the ramp where the damage is
discovered.
Accident or incident?
Check the FAR's carefully and see what you come up with.....no personal
injuries involved.

[Jim Burns]

Accident due to the discovery of "some wrinkles on the firewall."
Which can be described as "damage that negatively affects an aircraft's
structural strength, performance, or flying characteristics and which would
require significant repair or replacement of the affected component or
system." Even though damage to the landing gear, wheels, tires, and ground
damage to prop or it's single engine would not be considered "substantial".

Jim

[john smith]

In article . com>,
wrote:

> A student pilot does a poor recovery on a botched landing and pushes it
> over and gets the prop, forces the nose gear up into the cowling hard
> enough to cause some wrinkles in the firewall. Recovers it on the
> subsequent follow-thru and taxis in to the ramp where the damage is
> discovered.
> Accident or incident?
> Check the FAR's carefully and see what you come up with.....no personal
> injuries involved.

Doesn't it say something about damage exceeding a certain value?

[A Lieberman]

On 10 Feb 2006 15:20:52 -0800, wrote:

> A student pilot does a poor recovery on a botched landing and pushes it
> over and gets the prop, forces the nose gear up into the cowling hard
> enough to cause some wrinkles in the firewall. Recovers it on the
> subsequent follow-thru and taxis in to the ramp where the damage is
> discovered.
> Accident or incident?
> Check the FAR's carefully and see what you come up with.....no personal
> injuries involved.

Taken from http://www.airsafe.com/events/define.htm

Accident
As defined by the NTSB, this is an occurrence associated with the operation
of an aircraft where as a result of the operation of an aircraft, any
person (either inside or outside the aircraft) receives fatal or serious
injury or any aircraft receives substantial damage. The occurrence is also
not caused by the deliberate action of one or more persons and that leads
to damage or injury. The NTSB definition, which is also used by the FAA,
divides accidents into four categories:

1. Major - an accident in which a 14 CFR 121 aircraft was destroyed,
there were multiple fatalities, or there was one fatality and a 14 CFR 121
aircraft was substantially damaged.
2. Serious - an accident in which there was either one fatality without
substantial damage to a 14 CFR 121 aircraft, or there was at least one
serious injury and a 14 CFR121 aircraft was substantially damaged.
3. Injury - a nonfatal accident with at least one serious injury and
without substantial damage to a 14 CFR 121 aircraft.
4. Damage - an accident in which no person was killed or seriously
injured, but in which any aircraft was substantially damaged.

Incident
An occurrence, other than an accident, associated with the operation of an
aircraft that affects or could affect the safety of operations.

[Jim Macklin]

Firewalls are riveted in place, replacement is a major
repair that if done improperly would effect the structural
integrity of the airplane and or its flying qualities. The
damaged firewall makes it an accident.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

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|A student pilot does a poor recovery on a botched landing
and pushes it
| over and gets the prop, forces the nose gear up into the
cowling hard
| enough to cause some wrinkles in the firewall. Recovers it
on the
| subsequent follow-thru and taxis in to the ramp where the
damage is
| discovered.
| Accident or incident?
| Check the FAR's carefully and see what you come up
with.....no personal
| injuries involved.
|