MOST UGLY GLIDER ?

[Malcolm Austin]

I see in another thread that some are looking for the prettiest gliders, set
me
thinking, what's the ugliest (and picture links if possible please!

Cheers,
Malcolm

[Jono Richards]

At 18:48 19 February 2006, Malcolm Austin wrote:
>I see in another thread that some are looking for the
>prettiest gliders, set
>me
>thinking, what's the ugliest (and picture links if
>possible please!
>
>Cheers,
> Malcolm


Malcolm,

I reckon you are just wanting to start an argument
amongst owners of gliders described as ugly...

JR

[[email protected]]

Malcolm Austin wrote:
> I see in another thread that some are looking for the prettiest gliders, set
> me
> thinking, what's the ugliest (and picture links if possible please!
>
> Cheers,
> Malcolm

To make it more interesting, how about asking "the ugliest glider
besides the PW-5"?

[Nyal Williams]

Aw, the SZD 25 is kinda cute! It looks like a lovingly
built model airplane. I'd give it points for have
the stabilizer ahead of the rudder, and I'd subtract
points from the PW-5 for having it aft. That fact
ad the strange rudder shape are its main detractions,
wheel fairing is third. It flys well, though.

At 19:48 19 February 2006, Asbjorn Hojmark wrote:
>On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:41:19 GMT, 'Malcolm Austin'
> wrote:
>
>> I see in another thread that some are looking for
>>the prettiest gliders,
>> set me thinking, what's the ugliest (and picture links
>>if possible please!
>
>That'll have to be a tie between the SZD-25 Lis and
>the PW-5 Smyk.
>
>http://www.piotrp.de/SZYBOWCE/dszd25.htm



>http://www.piotrp.de/SZYBOWCE/dpw5.htm



>
>-A
>--
>http://www.hojmark.org/
>

[Willie]

wrote:
> To make it more interesting, how about asking "the ugliest glider
> besides the PW-5"?

"Liam", isn't the PW-5 what you fly there in San Diego?

Willie

[Ian Johnston]

On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:44:36 UTC, Asbjorn Hojmark
> wrote:

: That'll have to be a tie between the SZD-25 Lis

I'd never seen one of them before. It's lovely - I want one!

Ian

PS Ugliest? Dead heat between Kronfeld's "Austria", Slingsby/YS-53 and
Bijave.

--

[Tim Ward]

"Asbjorn Hojmark" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:41:19 GMT, "Malcolm Austin"
> > wrote:
>
> > I see in another thread that some are looking for the prettiest gliders,
> > set me thinking, what's the ugliest (and picture links if possible
please!
>
> That'll have to be a tie between the SZD-25 Lis and the PW-5 Smyk.
>
> http://www.piotrp.de/SZYBOWCE/dszd25.htm
> http://www.piotrp.de/SZYBOWCE/dpw5.htm
>
> -A
> --
> http://www.hojmark.org/

I dunno, the SZD25 looks kind of like the illegitimate offspring of a Bowlus
Baby Albatross and a Mooney...

Tim Ward

[COLIN LAMB]

If motorgliders can be included, that one that was for sale a few years ago
that someone mounted an engine on one wing was not only ugly and weird, it
was a spin waiting to happen.

Wonder if the builder compensated for the engine being on one side by making
one wing shorter than the other?

Colin

[Bullwinkle]

On 2/19/06 4:51 PM, in article
et, "COLIN LAMB"
> wrote:

> If motorgliders can be included, that one that was for sale a few years ago
> that someone mounted an engine on one wing was not only ugly and weird, it
> was a spin waiting to happen.
>
> Wonder if the builder compensated for the engine being on one side by making
> one wing shorter than the other?
>
> Colin
>
>
OK, I'll be the first to say it.

SGS 2-33, no doubt about it. Adequate as a primary trainer, but ugly as
(insert favorite humorous metaphor here).

[Malcolm Austin]

Well you saw through me on that one ! :-)

Malcolm..

"Jono Richards" > wrote in
message ...
> At 18:48 19 February 2006, Malcolm Austin wrote:
>>I see in another thread that some are looking for the
>>prettiest gliders, set
>>me
>>thinking, what's the ugliest (and picture links if
>>possible please!
>>
>>Cheers,
>> Malcolm
>
>
> Malcolm,
>
> I reckon you are just wanting to start an argument
> amongst owners of gliders described as ugly...
>
> JR
>
>
>
>

[Malcolm Austin]

I just had to expect the poor ole PW5 would get pulled in early on
this thread!

Malcolm..

> wrote in message
ps.com...
>
> Malcolm Austin wrote:
>> I see in another thread that some are looking for the prettiest gliders,
>> set
>> me
>> thinking, what's the ugliest (and picture links if possible please!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Malcolm
>
> To make it more interesting, how about asking "the ugliest glider
> besides the PW-5"?
>

[Malcolm Austin]

Hi Asborn,
great links to the photo's, thanks for that. I've seen
a PW5
up close here in the UK, but not the SZD-25, I give it my vote as the
ugliest between the two.

I guess though that the designers had a specific result in mind, whilst
keeping
the high wind for early solo pilot's?

Cheers,
Malcolm...

"Asbjorn Hojmark" > wrote in message
...
> On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:41:19 GMT, "Malcolm Austin"
> > wrote:
>
>> I see in another thread that some are looking for the prettiest gliders,
>> set me thinking, what's the ugliest (and picture links if possible
>> please!
>
> That'll have to be a tie between the SZD-25 Lis and the PW-5 Smyk.
>
> http://www.piotrp.de/SZYBOWCE/dszd25.htm
> http://www.piotrp.de/SZYBOWCE/dpw5.htm
>
> -A
> --
> http://www.hojmark.org/

[[email protected]]

So, Let's see. The most votes so far go too 2 gliders, the szd-25 and
the PW5. Hmm! One was built 45 years ago at a time when a 1-26 was a
high performance glider. (not knocking the 1-26, wish I had one for
those hot summer days) and one was designed in the 90's (?). Which is
uglier? I know what I think! Just asking?

Bob

[Waduino]

Funny though, no matter how *ugly* they may look on the ground, they all
look beautiful in flight.
Wad.
---
"Malcolm Austin" > wrote in message
...
>I see in another thread that some are looking for the prettiest gliders,
>set me
> thinking, what's the ugliest (and picture links if possible please!
>
> Cheers,
> Malcolm
>

[Malcolm Austin]

I believe that's physiological, we would all rather be up in the sky than
sat at ground level. A powerful and all encompassing emotion for most
of us I'm sure.

Malcolm...

"Waduino" > wrote in message
...
> Funny though, no matter how *ugly* they may look on the ground, they all
> look beautiful in flight.
> Wad.
> ---
> "Malcolm Austin" > wrote in message
> ...
>>I see in another thread that some are looking for the prettiest gliders,
>>set me
>> thinking, what's the ugliest (and picture links if possible please!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Malcolm
>>
>
>

[John Doe]

I dunno...

The first time I saw a PW-5 I helped rig it, it was
a new ship, beautifully finished, barely flown, it
was light and easy to put together but ugly as sin
(my own personal opinion), but we wheeled it up to
the winch queue. The pilot (old guy, but perfectly
competent), got in, usual checks, hooks on, up slack,
all out... then all of 400ft off the winch (flapping
its wings all the way! 13m wings aren't meant to flap
that much!). This was followed by a hurried low circuit
and an ungainly landing. Quick de breifing by a concerned
instructor, and the whole flapping charade repeats
itself. Third time lucky and the guy gets a circuit
in. My god it looked awkward in the air.

That day I swore I'd never fly one. They say you never
get a second chance at first impressions... Not everything
looks good in the air. Maybe I'm missing out? Nah...

p.s. I'm sure some nerd is going to come along and
tell my how many g's it's rated too and that it's built
like a kalashnikov but as beautiful as (insert beautiful
woman's name here), but this is just the impression
it gave me.

At 14:12 20 February 2006, Waduino wrote:
>Funny though, no matter how *ugly* they may look on
>the ground, they all
>look beautiful in flight.
>Wad.
>---
>'Malcolm Austin' wrote in message
...
>>I see in another thread that some are looking for the
>>prettiest gliders,
>>set me
>> thinking, what's the ugliest (and picture links if
>>possible please!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Malcolm
>>
>
>
>

[Robin Birch]

In message <cCUlhtvFIYkV-pn2-tLs9zUBNVz8l@localhost>, Ian Johnston
> writes
>On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:44:36 UTC, Asbjorn Hojmark
> wrote:
>
>: That'll have to be a tie between the SZD-25 Lis
>
>I'd never seen one of them before. It's lovely - I want one!
>
>Ian
>
>PS Ugliest? Dead heat between Kronfeld's "Austria", Slingsby/YS-53 and
>Bijave.
>
Having sat in wave at Port Moak back in October and watched a T53 (The
original slingsby one, not the later YS) higher than me - I was in a Duo
- I am a little careful about what I say about them :-)

Robin

--
Robin Birch

[Mike Lindsay]

In article et>, COLIN
LAMB > writes
>If motorgliders can be included, that one that was for sale a few years ago
>that someone mounted an engine on one wing was not only ugly and weird, it
>was a spin waiting to happen.
>
>Wonder if the builder compensated for the engine being on one side by making
>one wing shorter than the other?
>
>Colin
>
>
Wasn't the Me 141 a bit like that?
--
Mike Lindsay

[MickiMinner]

Ok, now an argument has REALLY started. My husband and I are
disagreeing about the ugliest glider. I say a genesis is (short
squatty), whereas my husband says the genesis is really quite lovely.
His vote is for the "whale" RHJ-?.
I dunno, but Malcom, I don't have pictures of either, but you really
made us spit out our coffee laughing while reading your new thread.

[Bruce]

MickiMinner wrote:
> Ok, now an argument has REALLY started. My husband and I are
> disagreeing about the ugliest glider. I say a genesis is (short
> squatty), whereas my husband says the genesis is really quite lovely.
> His vote is for the "whale" RHJ-?.
> I dunno, but Malcom, I don't have pictures of either, but you really
> made us spit out our coffee laughing while reading your new thread.
>
This thread has me thinking. I wonder how many of us manage to improve the
aesthetics of the glider?

Just a thought.
--
Bruce Greeff
Std Cirrus #57
I'm no-T at the address above.

[Malcolm Austin]

I did rather plagiarise the Most beautiful thread of course.

But is your t'other half really arguing, does he have permission to do that?

:-)

Malcolm...



"MickiMinner" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Ok, now an argument has REALLY started. My husband and I are
> disagreeing about the ugliest glider. I say a genesis is (short
> squatty), whereas my husband says the genesis is really quite lovely.
> His vote is for the "whale" RHJ-?.
> I dunno, but Malcom, I don't have pictures of either, but you really
> made us spit out our coffee laughing while reading your new thread.
>

[Malcolm Austin]

And you admit in writing that the T53 was above you, WOW !!

I don't mind admitting that a Kestrel 18 was above my K6 over Denbigh
though, (and the CFI was flying it, so it must be better...)

Malcolm...

"Robin Birch" > wrote in message
...
> In message <cCUlhtvFIYkV-pn2-tLs9zUBNVz8l@localhost>, Ian Johnston
> > writes
>>On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 19:44:36 UTC, Asbjorn Hojmark
> wrote:
>>
>>: That'll have to be a tie between the SZD-25 Lis
>>
>>I'd never seen one of them before. It's lovely - I want one!
>>
>>Ian
>>
>>PS Ugliest? Dead heat between Kronfeld's "Austria", Slingsby/YS-53 and
>>Bijave.
>>
> Having sat in wave at Port Moak back in October and watched a T53 (The
> original slingsby one, not the later YS) higher than me - I was in a Duo -
> I am a little careful about what I say about them :-)
>
> Robin
>
> --
> Robin Birch

[Ian Johnston]

On Mon, 20 Feb 2006 16:20:46 UTC, Robin Birch
> wrote:

: In message <cCUlhtvFIYkV-pn2-tLs9zUBNVz8l@localhost>, Ian Johnston
: > writes

: >PS Ugliest? Dead heat between Kronfeld's "Austria", Slingsby/YS-53 and
: >Bijave.
: >
: Having sat in wave at Port Moak back in October and watched a T53 (The
: original slingsby one, not the later YS) higher than me - I was in a Duo
: - I am a little careful about what I say about them :-)

Is that Eoin MacDonalds? I once got a wonderfully peeved reaction from
the owner of a private Ventus, 11,000' aboce Sutton Bank when he
looked round and saw me beside him in the club Ka8 ...

Ian

[[email protected]]

Plastic gliders..

Has to be the PW5...
Closely followed by the Genesis with the runner up being that hideaous
motor glider Rutan Designed (Solitaire).

Wooden has to be the the following Flying plank, Bijave, Any of the
Fauvel flying wings.

Tin has to be anything SGS....(232 might be the one half decent one
they made if viewed from 200ft away)

Al

[[email protected]]

Be nice now ! My whale isn't so ugly.
Perhaps you're just referring to the redneck paint job
(ie, many different colors and needing a paint job).
Its predecessor RHJ-7 is a bit dowdy, but not ugly...
See ya, Dave

PS: See what happens next time he wants a ride in it !

[Wallace Berry]

In article >,
Asbjorn Hojmark > wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:41:19 GMT, "Malcolm Austin"
> > wrote:
>
> > I see in another thread that some are looking for the prettiest gliders,
> > set me thinking, what's the ugliest (and picture links if possible please!
>
> That'll have to be a tie between the SZD-25 Lis and the PW-5 Smyk.
>
> http://www.piotrp.de/SZYBOWCE/dszd25.htm
> http://www.piotrp.de/SZYBOWCE/dpw5.htm
>
> -A

Hmm, That's the first time I've even heard of the Lis. I think it is
fairly attractive. The Poles have built some of the most beautiful
gliders ever. We should give them a break about the poor Smyk.

[Peter Smith]

At the National Soaring Museum we have over 75 gliders, and pictures of
many more.

There are no ugly gliders.

[Bob Caldwell]

So what is a Smyk anyway???

[[email protected]]

Peter Smith wrote:
> At the National Soaring Museum we have over 75 gliders, and pictures of
> many more.
>
> There are no ugly gliders.

Let me pose the question a different way: "What is the best looking
glider?". Would you have an opinion then, or would you say: "They are
all equally good looking"?

Beauty, as they say, is in the eye of the beholder. Sociologists did a
study of beauty using infants who, presumably, have no preconceived
notion of beauty. They were shown pictures of all types of women and
their reactions were recorded. The babies definitely had a much more
positive response to what most of us would call beautiful women.

Tom Seim

[Wayne Paul]

"MickiMinner" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Ok, now an argument has REALLY started. My husband and I are
> disagreeing about the ugliest glider. I say a genesis is (short
> squatty), whereas my husband says the genesis is really quite lovely.
> His vote is for the "whale" RHJ-?.
> I dunno, but Malcom, I don't have pictures of either, but you really
> made us spit out our coffee laughing while reading your new thread.
>

Here is a picture a RHJ-8
http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder/RHJ/C-FAJT.html
which is much nicer than an RHJ-7
http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder/RHJ/N7514.html

[Nyal Williams]

The url author says that Henry Preiss designed the
RHJ sailplanes. Considerable credit(?) should be given
to Dick Schreder, although I'm not sure he would want
it. Preiss took the HP-18 design and widened the fuselage
so as to put side by side seating in it. Someone 'out
west' did a T-tail version of the HP-18 and put in
a center stick. I don't know whether the RHJ-8 drew
on that effort for its T-tail.

There were lots of jokes around here in the mid-West
about the arguments between Preiss and Schreder over
this glider.

At 00:12 21 February 2006, Wayne Paul wrote:
>
>'MickiMinner' wrote in message
oups.com...
>> Ok, now an argument has REALLY started. My husband
>>and I are
>> disagreeing about the ugliest glider. I say a genesis
>>is (short
>> squatty), whereas my husband says the genesis is really
>>quite lovely.
>> His vote is for the 'whale' RHJ-?.
>> I dunno, but Malcom, I don't have pictures of either,
>>but you really
>> made us spit out our coffee laughing while reading
>>your new thread.
>>
>
>Here is a picture a RHJ-8
>http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder/RHJ/C-FAJT.html
>which is much nicer than an RHJ-7
>http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder/RHJ/N7514.html
>
>
>
>

[COLIN LAMB]

I think the ugliest glider was the one flown by Icarus - you know the one
with feather wings held together by wax. Icarus ignored the placard about
flying the mountain wave and it came apart in flight. The Crete FAA issued
an AD note that no further gliders were to be constructed with wax.

Other than that, I do not think I have ever seen an ugly glider. They are
all so graceful in the air - doing what they are designed to do.

Colin

[Wayne Paul]

"Nyal Williams" > wrote in message
...
> The url author says that Henry Preiss designed the
> RHJ sailplanes. Considerable credit(?) should be given
> to Dick Schreder, although I'm not sure he would want
> it. Preiss took the HP-18 design and widened the fuselage
> so as to put side by side seating in it. Someone 'out
> west' did a T-tail version of the HP-18 and put in
> a center stick. I don't know whether the RHJ-8 drew
> on that effort for its T-tail.
>
> There were lots of jokes around here in the mid-West
> about the arguments between Preiss and Schreder over
> this glider.

Just a small correction --- All three of the RHJ designs were based on the
HP-14 (not the HP-18). I only have pictures of two RHJ-8s and they both
have "T" tails that look very similar to the "T" tail option Dick Schreder
provided for the late version of the HP-14 and HP-16 kits.

Wayne
http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder

[[email protected]]

RHJ's are "Based on" - pretty loosely - the HP-14 and later HP-18...
The RHJ-7 uses essentially HP-14 wings with a custom fuelage, V-tail,
and fixed gear.
The RHJ-8s use a completely different wing and fuselage though the
T-tail looks similar to some HP-14s.
The RHJ-9 uses a different wing and fuselage, with foam ribs similar in
construction to HP-18.
The RHJ-10 used RHJ-9 wings and an enormous single-seat fuselage like a
stretched 14.
Probably more info than you wanted...
One of these days I'll get my RHJ-8 back in the air, too many toys, not
enough time...
See ya, Dave

PS: Dick and Henry apparently had a falling out, after which Dick would
only grudgingly admit parentage, but the DNA-tests prove it...

PPS: RHJ is for Richard (Dick Schreder), Henry (Preiss), and Joyce
(Henry's wife).

[Roger Worden]

Someone told me that in Polish it means "urchin". Can anyone validate that?

Just passing on a definition, not an opinion. I fly my club's Smyk PW-5 and
don't think it's particularly ugly. With that tubular tail boom, it's just
not as streamlined as many other ships.

"Bob Caldwell" > wrote in
message ...
> So what is a Smyk anyway???
>
>
>
>

[Martin Gregorie]

Mike Lindsay wrote:

> Wasn't the Me 141 a bit like that?

Are you sure you aren't thinking of the Blohm & Voss BV 141
reconnaissance plane?

http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/bv141.html

--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. |
org | Zappa fan & glider pilot

[--=JJay=--]

Roger Worden napisa³(a):
> Someone told me that in Polish it means "urchin". Can anyone validate that?

Well it is rather kid not urchin.

regards
--
--=JJay=--
www.aeroklub.deblin.pl, my photos at airfoto.pl - http://tiny.pl/xlkk
Get smart - http://www.GetFireFox.com

[[email protected]]

Well, "Smyk" in polish means a rascal, a kind of a spoiled kid, and
also it can be used as a softened word for *******. Even though I speak
Polish I don't like the name of this glider. They should name it
differently. But I don't think the glider is ugly.....gliders are built
for purpose and the beauty issue is only in the heads of the @#%&^$#
morons.

Jacek Kobiesa
Washington State

[stephanevdv]

Take a look at the Farner Colibri motorglider:

http://flatrock.org.nz/topics/flying/farner_hf_colibri.htm

or the related microlight glider Aviafiber canard:

http://delta.plane.free.fr/ailes/canard-2FL.jpg

They are weird!

And do you remember Phil Lamson's « Quark » ? A 10 ft fuselage with
prone pilot position, and 20 ft wing (later extended to 30, then 40
ft). Unfortunately, I couldn't find a picture on the web. You'll
find it in "Soaring", June '67.

[Peter Smith]

I said there are no ugly gliders. I didn't say all gliders are
beautiful, or equally good looking.

As to the best looking glider, that's like asking an orchestra
conductor to name his or her favorite piece of music. The answer will
invariably be, "The next one I conduct."

[Paul M. Cordell]

Tough Question.......

OGAR

http://www.segelfliegerclub.de/verein/ogar.htm

[Shawn]

Blanik
What can you say about a glider with tip tanks?

Shawn

[[email protected]]

wrote:
> Well, "Smyk" in polish means a rascal, a kind of a spoiled kid, and
> also it can be used as a softened word for *******. Even though I speak
> Polish I don't like the name of this glider. They should name it
> differently. But I don't think the glider is ugly.....gliders are built
> for purpose and the beauty issue is only in the heads of the @#%&^$#
> morons.
>
> Jacek Kobiesa
> Washington State

And when it first arrived in Australia they call it the LARRIKIN .....
a mischievous kid.

[Mike Lindsay]

In article >, Martin Gregorie
> writes
>Mike Lindsay wrote:
>
>> Wasn't the Me 141 a bit like that?
>
>Are you sure you aren't thinking of the Blohm & Voss BV 141
>reconnaissance plane?
>
>http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/bv141.html
>
Yes, of course. Blohm und Voss not Messerschmit. Senile dementia strikes
again.

Not the prettiest plane in the Luftwaffe, was it? What were thay thing
of to build an abortion like that?

Don't tell me, committee decision on the Orders of Der Fuhrer.
--
Mike Lindsay

[Mike Lindsay]

In article om>, Peter
Smith > writes
>At the National Soaring Museum we have over 75 gliders, and pictures of
>many more.
>
>There are no ugly gliders.
>
In Russia we have a saying (It could be Poland)

There are no ugly women, there is only lack of vodka.
--
Mike Lindsay

[Mike Lindsay]

In article >, Bob Caldwell <REMOVE_TO_REPL
> writes
>So what is a Smyk anyway???
>
>
>A poor put-upon character in a Dickens novel.
>

--
Mike Lindsay

[Martin Gregorie]

Mike Lindsay wrote:
> In article >, Martin Gregorie
> > writes
>> Mike Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> Wasn't the Me 141 a bit like that?
>> Are you sure you aren't thinking of the Blohm & Voss BV 141
>> reconnaissance plane?
>>
>> http://www.warbirdsresourcegroup.org/LRG/bv141.html
>>
> Yes, of course. Blohm und Voss not Messerschmit. Senile dementia strikes
> again.
>
> Not the prettiest plane in the Luftwaffe, was it? What were thay thing
> of to build an abortion like that?
>
> Don't tell me, committee decision on the Orders of Der Fuhrer.

Probably a major brain aberration amongst the B&V directors because they
had a whole raft of oddball designs, many of them asymmetric. I once saw
a page full of thumbnails....

Sorry, but I don't have a reference for that.


--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. |
org | Zappa fan & glider pilot

[GK]

> And when it first arrived in Australia they call it the LARRIKIN .....
> a mischievous kid.

And how many gliders/designs of similar or better performance came out
of Australia???
In Poland we also have a similar name for anyone who comments but can't
perform any better...

[Andreas Maurer]

On Sun, 19 Feb 2006 18:41:19 GMT, "Malcolm Austin"
> wrote:

>I see in another thread that some are looking for the prettiest gliders, set
>me
>thinking, what's the ugliest (and picture links if possible please!


Messerschmitt Me 321.
Junkers JU 322.

Choose one. ;)



Bye
Andreas

[[email protected]]

>In Russia we have a saying (It could be Poland)

>There are no ugly women, there is only lack of vodka.
--
>Mike Lindsay

Bit prejudiced against Poland, aren't we....did you already forgot how
you abandoned Poland, who supposed to be your allied, during WW II to
Hitler and then to Stalin? Do I have to remind you of the Polish pilots
helping to save London? And their superior flying skills? And you dare
to bring some garbage statements about Russia and vodka? And then you
are throwing Poland into this equation? I have heard, I believe on the
BBC News (isn't that English TV?) that England is leading the world in
deaths related to liver cirrhosis...so, maybe your stupid comments
about Poles and vodka are little bit out of place? And, since you are
the Alpha & Omega, maybe you can design your own glider....best L/D
55,000 at Mach 1.2 speed...this is really shame because I have quite a
few friends in England and you are only giving them a black eye. You
don't resemble the cool Brits that I know. And then you can throw your
racist garbage out of flying sailplanes.

Jacek Kobiesa
Washington State

[Martin Gregorie]

Andreas Maurer wrote:

> Messerschmitt Me 321.
>
I've seen film of these and the Me 323 flying. They showed quite
alarming amounts of flexibility and general aero-elasticity when flying,
surely enough to affect controllability. I can't imagine how difficult
they must have been to fly.

I think this film is in the Imperial War Museum collection.

--
martin@ | Martin Gregorie
gregorie. |
org | Zappa fan & glider pilot

[GK]

> >In Russia we have a saying (It could be Poland)
>
> >There are no ugly women, there is only lack of vodka.
> --
> >Mike Lindsay

As a Pole visiting London some time ago; I doubt if I know one
single Pole that could drink enough of vodka to beautify British women.
Applying your simplified method to gliders - there isn't one British
made glider worth mentioning...

[Pilot Bald]

At 04:12 23 February 2006, Gk wrote:
>
>> >In Russia we have a saying (It could be Poland)
>>
>> >There are no ugly women, there is only lack of vodka.
>> --
>> >Mike Lindsay
>
> As a Pole visiting London some time ago; I doubt
>if I know one
>single Pole that could drink enough of vodka to beautify
>British women.
> Applying your simplified method to gliders - there
>isn't one British
>made glider worth mentioning...
>
>

You'd be hard put to come across many geniune natives,
of any sex, on a casual visit to London these days
- even 'some time ago' !

If you speak the Polish lanuage, you'll know what I
mean !

Bald Pilot.

[NoSpam]

Malcolm Austin wrote:
> I see in another thread that some are looking for the prettiest gliders, set
> me
> thinking, what's the ugliest (and picture links if possible please!
>
> Cheers,
> Malcolm
>
>
My vote goes to to the woodstock
http://www.wingsandwheels.com/images/WEDNES~1.JPG

[Bert Willing]

But the PW5 ist still really ugly.

> wrote in message
ups.com...
> Bit prejudiced against Poland, aren't we....did you already forgot how
> you abandoned Poland, who supposed to be your allied, during WW II to
> Hitler and then to Stalin? Do I have to remind you of the Polish pilots
> helping to save London? And their superior flying skills? And you dare
> to bring some garbage statements about Russia and vodka? And then you
> are throwing Poland into this equation? I have heard, I believe on the
> BBC News (isn't that English TV?) that England is leading the world in
> deaths related to liver cirrhosis...so, maybe your stupid comments
> about Poles and vodka are little bit out of place? And, since you are
> the Alpha & Omega, maybe you can design your own glider....best L/D
> 55,000 at Mach 1.2 speed...this is really shame because I have quite a
> few friends in England and you are only giving them a black eye. You
> don't resemble the cool Brits that I know. And then you can throw your
> racist garbage out of flying sailplanes.
>
> Jacek Kobiesa
> Washington State
>

[--=JJay=--]

Bert Willing napisa³(a):
> But the PW5 ist still really ugly.

Ugly or beautiful it's a matter of liking and liking is not the thing to
discuss.
Personally I don't know why people don't like the look of PW-5, it's a
nice small glider, very pleasant to fly.

regards
--
--=JJay=--
www.aeroklub.deblin.pl, my photos at airfoto.pl - http://tiny.pl/xlkk
Get smart - http://www.GetFireFox.com

[Nyal Williams]

Jacek,

I doubt this remark was made against either Russians
or Poles. The idea expressed is a universal joke and
in this context it has attributed wit to the Russians
and/or the Poles.

Here's to pretty women!


At 22:30 22 February 2006,
wrote:
>>In Russia we have a saying (It could be Poland)
>
>>There are no ugly women, there is only lack of vodka.
>--
>>Mike Lindsay
>
>Bit prejudiced against Poland, aren't we....did you
>already forgot how
>you abandoned Poland, who supposed to be your allied,
>during WW II to
>Hitler and then to Stalin? Do I have to remind you
>of the Polish pilots
>helping to save London? And their superior flying skills?
>And you dare
>to bring some garbage statements about Russia and vodka?
>And then you
>are throwing Poland into this equation? I have heard,
>I believe on the
>BBC News (isn't that English TV?) that England is leading
>the world in
>deaths related to liver cirrhosis...so, maybe your
>stupid comments
>about Poles and vodka are little bit out of place?
>And, since you are
>the Alpha & Omega, maybe you can design your own glider....best
>L/D
>55,000 at Mach 1.2 speed...this is really shame because
>I have quite a
>few friends in England and you are only giving them
>a black eye. You
>don't resemble the cool Brits that I know. And then
>you can throw your
>racist garbage out of flying sailplanes.
>
>Jacek Kobiesa
>Washington State
>
>

[bumper]

"Nyal Williams" > wrote in message
...
> Jacek,
>
> I doubt this remark was made against either Russians
> or Poles. The idea expressed is a universal joke and
> in this context it has attributed wit to the Russians
> and/or the Poles.
>
> Here's to pretty women!


Here's to vore modka! Hic!

bummer
Ninden, Mervada

[Willie]

>Bert Willing wrote:
>But the PW5 ist still really ugly.

Pee Wee may not be the apple of your eye,
but apparently it flys fairly well.

A quick look at the FAI website and I found this little nugget.

FAI Claim number : 12269
Sub-class DW
General Category
Type of record : Speed over a triangular course of 100 km
Course/location : Chos Malal (Argentina)
Performance : 136.92 km/h Pilot : Osvaldo M. FERRARO
(Argentina) Glider : PW-5 Date : 28.11.2005

Previous record : 115.38 km/h (02.08.2003 - Larry PARDUE, USA)

Maybe at the end of the soaring day, grab a bottle of Vodka
or strap on those beer goggles and maybe the Pee Wee
will get better looking. (maybe)

8>)

Willie G.

[Bob Kuykendall]

Earlier, NoSpam wrote:

> My vote goes to to the woodstock
> http://www.wingsandwheels.com/images/WEDNES~1.JPG

Oh, I think there are plenty of homlier-looking gliders than that. That
may not be the nicest-looking Woodstock, but I think that there are
much stronger contenders for the title out there.

Personally, I've always been a fan of the 12-meter Woodstock. It's a
great little ship within its intended context: getting into the air
cheaply in something you built using simple woodworking tools. When
finished with varnish and clear dope they have such a pretty variety of
natural colors and textures. And when you take the time to form a nice
canopy and nose bowl it goes a long way towards hiding the somewhat
angular nature of the design.

The problem with the Woodstock is that the context for which it was
developed is pretty much extinct. Kids these days tend to spend too
much time on the couch, and they don't take woodworking classes. When
they want to soar, they tend to do it by investing money and not time.

Thanks, and best regards to all

Bob K.
http://www.hpaircraft.com/hp-24

[Malcolm Austin]

Hi,
thanks for following the original (tongue in cheek) aim of this
thread.
Indeed the Woodstock looks a bit out of date, but when was it built?
If its 70's or 80's it can't be that bad ???

Cheers,
Malcolm...


"NoSpam" > wrote in message
...
> Malcolm Austin wrote:
>> I see in another thread that some are looking for the prettiest gliders,
>> set me
>> thinking, what's the ugliest (and picture links if possible please!
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Malcolm
> My vote goes to to the woodstock
> http://www.wingsandwheels.com/images/WEDNES~1.JPG

[Willie]

>Malcolm Austin wrote:
>Hi, thanks for following the original (tongue in cheek)
>aim of this thread.

Ok then, I guess I never really added my pick.

I've never been a fan of the way the Blanik looks.
No dig against where they are made or who makes them.

I think they look like a trainer for bomber pilots. Especially the
L-13 with the wing tanks and that enormous tail which I think came
from a B-25.

Yea, I've flown a few different ones and they fly just fine, I have no
trouble staying up in them. I just don't like the way they look.

So there all you Blanik fans! Flame shields up...

8>).........SIFOW

Willie G.

[Charles Yeates]

Willie

You don't have to look at it while you are flying it ---

>
> Yea, I've flown a few different ones and they fly just fine, I have no
> trouble staying up in them. I just don't like the way they look.
>
> So there all you Blanik fans! Flame shields up...
>
> 8>).........SIFOW
>
> Willie G.
>

--
Charles Yeates

Jezow PW gliders
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/yeatesc/world.html

[--=JJay=--]

Charles Yeates napisał(a):
>
>
> Willie
>
> You don't have to look at it while you are flying it ---

But before and after you have to :)

regards
--
--=JJay=--
www.aeroklub.deblin.pl, my photos at airfoto.pl - http://tiny.pl/xlkk
Get smart - http://www.GetFireFox.com

[Albert Gold]

--=JJay=-- wrote:
> Charles Yeates napisał(a):
>
>>
>>
>> Willie
>>
>> You don't have to look at it while you are flying it ---
>
>
> But before and after you have to :)
>
> regards
> --
> --=JJay=--
> www.aeroklub.deblin.pl, my photos at airfoto.pl - http://tiny.pl/xlkk
> Get smart - http://www.GetFireFox.com

Is there a soaring equivalent of coyote love?

Al

[GK]

Jawohl!

[COLIN LAMB]

I should first qualify my statement by saying that I used to own a Citroen
2CV and a 2CV wagon and I drove a DS-19 in graduate school.

I like the looks of the PW-5
I like the looks of the Blanik
I even like the 2-33.

There, I have come out of the closet and made it public.

Colin

[[email protected]]

You are not a well man.
Confession: I drove a Fiat 500 as a kid but I did give it up
(not voluntarilly, my last Fiat 500 was confiscated when I
was discovered to be under-age, but its a long story)...

[COLIN LAMB]

If Citroen made a corrugated glider, I would probably own one.

Colin

[Ray Lovinggood]

The 1978 edition of 'Jane's World Sailplanes and Motor
Gliders' by Andrew Coates, does not have any 'ugly'
gliders. Some look a lot better than others, but no
truly 'ugly' gliders. Ok, the 2-33 comes close, but
I won't call it 'ugly.'

Maybe a truly 'ugly' glider is one not cared for and
not flown.

Now, 'ugly' trailers are easier to pick out!

Ray Lovinggood
Carrboro, North Carolina, USA
LS1-d 'W8'

[Ray Lovinggood]

The 1978 edition of 'Jane's World Sailplanes and Motor
Gliders' by Andrew Coates, does not have any 'ugly'
gliders. Some look a lot better than others, but no
truly 'ugly' gliders. Ok, the 2-33 comes close, but
I won't call it 'ugly.'

Maybe a truly 'ugly' glider is one not cared for and
not flown.

Now, 'ugly' trailers are easier to pick out!

Ray Lovinggood
Carrboro, North Carolina, USA
LS1-d 'W8'

[Doug LS4]

I saw a Cherokee II on wingsandwheels once. It looked like it was
covered in vinyl siding.

I live in the home of the Cherokee and that glider does them no
justice. Particularly if you consider that they believe their mountains
were created by the wingtips of a great soaring bird.

Doug

http://www.sailplanedirectory.com/PlaneDetails.cfm?PlaneID=56

[Wayne Paul]

"Bob Kuykendall" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Getting off-topic, for many years Hall wrote a column for Soaring
> Magazine called Homebuilders Hall. He also wrote many articles for SHAp
> Talk, the newsletter of the Sailplane Homebuilders Association (now
> called the Experimental Soaring Association). The ESA currently sells
> the collected works of Stan Hall in a two-volume set. Most of them
> describe aspects of aeronautical engineering in terms that most
> sailplane pilots can understand, appreciate, and apply. Some of the
> articles describe Hall's adventures in Vietnam, supporting th Q-star
> reconniassance airplanes then under development, and his later role in
> developing the YO-3A airplanes for which he holds the design patent.

I really miss the "Homebuilders Hall" articles that appeared in Soaring
magazine. The collected works mentioned above sits on my library self and
is referred to often.

If anyone is interested in purchasing the set, an order form can be found at
http://esoaring.com/stan_hall_collected_works.htm

Wayne
HP-14 N990 "6F"
http://www.soaridaho.com/Schreder

[Matti Adolfsen]

Anyone seen a PIK-5?

In the vintage class, this may not be the prettiest glider of all times?

In the early years of our club, one was made (OH-PAX, built during
1948-1952, sold in the early 1960's).

Matti

[NoSpam]

Malcolm Austin wrote:
> I see in another thread that some are looking for the prettiest gliders, set
> me
> thinking, what's the ugliest (and picture links if possible please!
>
> Cheers,
> Malcolm
>
>
Well if we are going to consider the context in which the particular
gliders were designed.. you can correct me if I am wrong, but I do
believe the entire PW line (including the PW5) was designed by
Engineering STUDENTS in the Warsaw Polytechnic and not by a professional
design bureau. PZL and now The Glider Factory in Jezow were/are
producing the glider but did not design it. As far as it's two
competitors for the world class the SZD-51and the AC4, the Junior is
definitely a very pretty and great flying bird, but I don't think the
Russia will win any beauty contests (IMHO)... either way, i would
rather fly any of these three, or the Cherokee II or the Woodstock for
that matter.. instead of sitting here on the ground wishing it was spring :D

[--=JJay=--]

NoSpam napisa³(a):
> Well if we are going to consider the context in which the particular
> gliders were designed.. you can correct me if I am wrong, but I do
> believe the entire PW line (including the PW5) was designed by
> Engineering STUDENTS in the Warsaw Polytechnic and not by a professional
> design bureau.

That's true.

> PZL and now The Glider Factory in Jezow were/are
> producing the glider but did not design it. As far as it's two
> competitors for the world class the SZD-51and the AC4, the Junior is
> definitely a very pretty and great flying bird, but I don't think the
> Russia will win any beauty contests (IMHO)... either way, i would
> rather fly any of these three, or the Cherokee II or the Woodstock for
> that matter.. instead of sitting here on the ground wishing it was
> spring :D

True again :)
I'm waiting for spring too

regards
--
--=JJay=--
www.aeroklub.deblin.pl, my photos at airfoto.pl - http://tiny.pl/xlkk
Get smart - http://www.GetFireFox.com