Re: Teamsters send clear message

[M White]

What are the air space rules regarding flying over an event like that?
Anybody know? Would NASCAR have the authority to have the pilot arrested?
Can NASCAR ask for certain air space at a certain time to be 'theirs'?

MW
"Alan Jones" > wrote in message
...
>
> Teamsters Send Clear Message With 50-Foot Banner Flying Over
> Daytona 500
>
> DAYTONA, Fla., Feb. 19 /PRNewswire/ -- The Teamsters Union
> denounced Waste Management Inc. (WMI) for its ongoing assault
> on minority sanitation workers by commissioning a plane to fly a
> 50-foot banner over the Daytona 500 speedway for two hours that
> read, "WMI and NASCAR Want Some Drivers to Lose."
>
> Houston-based WMI, the nation's largest private trash hauler, is a
> sponsor of NASCAR's diversity programs despite attempting to
> impose deep wage, retirement, health care and pension benefit
> cuts on its predominantly minority sanitation truck drivers in
> Washington D.C. and New York. The company's work force is
> overwhelmingly African American and Latino. NASCAR's steering
> committee is chaired by basketball legend Earvin "Magic" Johnson.
>
> Jim Hoffa, Teamsters General President, wrote a letter to Johnson
> detailing WMI's reprehensible treatment of its minority workforce.
> The Teamsters represent 10,000 workers at 69 Waste Management
> locals nationwide.
>
> "We are confident that when presented with the facts, Mr. Johnson
> will agree that Waste Management's treatment of its workers is
> shameful," Hoffa said. "If NASCAR is truly committed to promoting
> diversity, then its sponsors should live up to that commitment."
>
> The Daytona flyover comes after a wave of Teamster actions at WMI
> locations across the country. Teamsters have conducted
> informational picketing and leafleting in California, Washington,
> Illinois, Colorado and Maryland during the past six weeks. Workers
> also staged a protest at WMI's New York City headquarters that drew
> hundreds of Teamster members from Local 813, which is currently in
> contract negotiations with WMI.
>
> "While it's admirable to sponsor minority NASCAR drivers, it would
> be even more admirable if the company paid and rewarded its own
> sanitation truck drivers decently," said Robert Morales, President
> of the Teamsters National Hispanic Caucus and Secretary-Treasurer
> of Local 350 in Daly City, California. Local 350 represents WMI
> sanitation truck drivers and workers in California Bay area.
>
> Founded in 1903, the Teamsters Union represents more than 1.4
> million hardworking men and women in the United States and Canada.
>
> http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/conws/3670582.html
>
> --
> - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pittsburgh-pirates
> - http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/nascar-group
> - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/politics-usa-republican
> - http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/pittsburgh-steelers

[Carey Akin]

"M White" > wrote in message
om...
> What are the air space rules regarding flying over an event like that?
> Anybody know? Would NASCAR have the authority to have the pilot arrested?
> Can NASCAR ask for certain air space at a certain time to be 'theirs'?
>
Oh, dear lord. Not this one again. Let's see if Janal will take the bait.

Carey in Manvel

[Gig 601XL Builder]

Well there is nothing in the story that says anything about the flight being
in anyway unsafe so that's not a problem.

If it were race say there would be a TFR over the area but it wasn't race
day.

Seems like free speech to me.

"M White" > wrote in message
om...
> What are the air space rules regarding flying over an event like that?
> Anybody know? Would NASCAR have the authority to have the pilot arrested?
> Can NASCAR ask for certain air space at a certain time to be 'theirs'?
>
> MW
> "Alan Jones" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> Teamsters Send Clear Message With 50-Foot Banner Flying Over
>> Daytona 500
>>
>> DAYTONA, Fla., Feb. 19 /PRNewswire/ -- The Teamsters Union
>> denounced Waste Management Inc. (WMI) for its ongoing assault
>> on minority sanitation workers by commissioning a plane to fly a
>> 50-foot banner over the Daytona 500 speedway for two hours that
>> read, "WMI and NASCAR Want Some Drivers to Lose."
>>
>> Houston-based WMI, the nation's largest private trash hauler, is a
>> sponsor of NASCAR's diversity programs despite attempting to
>> impose deep wage, retirement, health care and pension benefit
>> cuts on its predominantly minority sanitation truck drivers in
>> Washington D.C. and New York. The company's work force is
>> overwhelmingly African American and Latino. NASCAR's steering
>> committee is chaired by basketball legend Earvin "Magic" Johnson.
>>
>> Jim Hoffa, Teamsters General President, wrote a letter to Johnson
>> detailing WMI's reprehensible treatment of its minority workforce.
>> The Teamsters represent 10,000 workers at 69 Waste Management
>> locals nationwide.
>>
>> "We are confident that when presented with the facts, Mr. Johnson
>> will agree that Waste Management's treatment of its workers is
>> shameful," Hoffa said. "If NASCAR is truly committed to promoting
>> diversity, then its sponsors should live up to that commitment."
>>
>> The Daytona flyover comes after a wave of Teamster actions at WMI
>> locations across the country. Teamsters have conducted
>> informational picketing and leafleting in California, Washington,
>> Illinois, Colorado and Maryland during the past six weeks. Workers
>> also staged a protest at WMI's New York City headquarters that drew
>> hundreds of Teamster members from Local 813, which is currently in
>> contract negotiations with WMI.
>>
>> "While it's admirable to sponsor minority NASCAR drivers, it would
>> be even more admirable if the company paid and rewarded its own
>> sanitation truck drivers decently," said Robert Morales, President
>> of the Teamsters National Hispanic Caucus and Secretary-Treasurer
>> of Local 350 in Daly City, California. Local 350 represents WMI
>> sanitation truck drivers and workers in California Bay area.
>>
>> Founded in 1903, the Teamsters Union represents more than 1.4
>> million hardworking men and women in the United States and Canada.
>>
>> http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/conws/3670582.html
>>
>> --
>> - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pittsburgh-pirates
>> - http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/nascar-group
>> - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/politics-usa-republican
>> - http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/pittsburgh-steelers
>
>

[WildWeasel]

"M White" wrote ...
> What are the air space rules regarding flying over an event like that?
> Anybody know? Would NASCAR have the authority to have the pilot arrested?
> Can NASCAR ask for certain air space at a certain time to be 'theirs'?
>

"nascar" only has arrest powers if Mike Helton is wearing his hat, badge and
sidearm and properly identifies himself as an officer of nascar and reads the
person his or her nascar rights, which under nascar law, are always open to
interpretation.

You might have the right to be silent. ...

[The Hammer]

Carey Akin wrote:
> Let's see if Janal will take the
> bait.

Janal's existance on this group proves two things.
1) There really are village idiots.
2) God does not get involved in Usenet.


--
_________________________________________
The bull**** stops when the hammer drops.
2nd Amendment - the original Homeland Security

[Newps]

M White wrote:

> What are the air space rules regarding flying over an event like that?

They won't be.


> Anybody know? Would NASCAR have the authority to have the pilot arrested?

Of course not.


> Can NASCAR ask for certain air space at a certain time to be 'theirs'?

No.

[M White]

Thank you. =)

MW

"Newps" > wrote in message
...
>
>
> M White wrote:
>
> > What are the air space rules regarding flying over an event like that?
>
> They won't be.
>
>
> > Anybody know? Would NASCAR have the authority to have the pilot
arrested?
>
> Of course not.
>
>
> > Can NASCAR ask for certain air space at a certain time to be 'theirs'?
>
> No.
>
>
>

[Gordon]

"WildWeasel" > wrote in message
...
>
> "M White" wrote ...
> > What are the air space rules regarding flying over an event like that?
> > Anybody know? Would NASCAR have the authority to have the pilot
arrested?
> > Can NASCAR ask for certain air space at a certain time to be 'theirs'?
> >
>
> "nascar" only has arrest powers if Mike Helton is wearing his hat, badge
and
> sidearm and properly identifies himself as an officer of nascar and reads
the
> person his or her nascar rights, which under nascar law, are always open
to
> interpretation.
>
> You might have the right to be silent. ...
>
Unless the track-bar adjuster is an illegal apparatus, then you beg for
mercy!

HTH

>G<

[SimRacer]

"M White" > wrote in message
om...
> What are the air space rules regarding flying over an event like that?
> Anybody know? Would NASCAR have the authority to have the pilot arrested?
> Can NASCAR ask for certain air space at a certain time to be 'theirs'?
>
> MW

AFAIK, NFZs (no-fly zones) can only be imposed by a combination of the DHS
and the FAA.

NFZs have been used over major sporting events (Super Bowl, World Series,
etc) since 9/11, can't comment on the Daytona 500, but it holds more people
than those last two events combined, so it's a good question.

> "Alan Jones" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > Teamsters Send Clear Message With 50-Foot Banner Flying Over
> > Daytona 500
> >
> > DAYTONA, Fla., Feb. 19 /PRNewswire/ -- The Teamsters Union
> > denounced Waste Management Inc. (WMI) for its ongoing assault
> > on minority sanitation workers by commissioning a plane to fly a
> > 50-foot banner over the Daytona 500 speedway for two hours that
> > read, "WMI and NASCAR Want Some Drivers to Lose."
> >
> > Houston-based WMI, the nation's largest private trash hauler, is a
> > sponsor of NASCAR's diversity programs despite attempting to
> > impose deep wage, retirement, health care and pension benefit
> > cuts on its predominantly minority sanitation truck drivers in
> > Washington D.C. and New York. The company's work force is
> > overwhelmingly African American and Latino. NASCAR's steering
> > committee is chaired by basketball legend Earvin "Magic" Johnson.
> >
> > Jim Hoffa, Teamsters General President, wrote a letter to Johnson
> > detailing WMI's reprehensible treatment of its minority workforce.
> > The Teamsters represent 10,000 workers at 69 Waste Management
> > locals nationwide.
> >
> > "We are confident that when presented with the facts, Mr. Johnson
> > will agree that Waste Management's treatment of its workers is
> > shameful," Hoffa said. "If NASCAR is truly committed to promoting
> > diversity, then its sponsors should live up to that commitment."
> >
> > The Daytona flyover comes after a wave of Teamster actions at WMI
> > locations across the country. Teamsters have conducted
> > informational picketing and leafleting in California, Washington,
> > Illinois, Colorado and Maryland during the past six weeks. Workers
> > also staged a protest at WMI's New York City headquarters that drew
> > hundreds of Teamster members from Local 813, which is currently in
> > contract negotiations with WMI.
> >
> > "While it's admirable to sponsor minority NASCAR drivers, it would
> > be even more admirable if the company paid and rewarded its own
> > sanitation truck drivers decently," said Robert Morales, President
> > of the Teamsters National Hispanic Caucus and Secretary-Treasurer
> > of Local 350 in Daly City, California. Local 350 represents WMI
> > sanitation truck drivers and workers in California Bay area.
> >
> > Founded in 1903, the Teamsters Union represents more than 1.4
> > million hardworking men and women in the United States and Canada.
> >
> > http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/conws/3670582.html
> >
> > --
> > - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pittsburgh-pirates
> > - http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/nascar-group
> > - http://groups.yahoo.com/group/politics-usa-republican
> > - http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/pittsburgh-steelers
>
>

[M White]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> > but it holds more people than those last two events combined, so it's a
good question.
>
> Oh, come on. Any question that includes "Would NASCAR have the
> authority to have the pilot arrested?" just can't qualify as a "good
> question". Just a bunch of trolling. Its really irritating me that I'm
> going to have to switch my news reader to filter this stuff out.
>
> -Robert
>

It's an honest question. I can't control your killfile, but I didn't mean to
**** anyone off.

MW

[SimRacer]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> > but it holds more people than those last two events combined, so it's a
good question.
>
> Oh, come on. Any question that includes "Would NASCAR have the
> authority to have the pilot arrested?" just can't qualify as a "good
> question". Just a bunch of trolling. Its really irritating me that I'm
> going to have to switch my news reader to filter this stuff out.
>
> -Robert
>

No, it WAS a good question, when you read the piece and figured out the real
question that was being asked instead of interjecting what you *thought* was
being asked. The question was essentially, do they have no fly zones over
NASCAR races, the Daytona 500 in particular. My answer was, it is a good
question, because it has never been addressed since the 2002 D500, where
there was a no fly zone in effect.

Come down off your high horse why don't ya.

[alexy]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote:

>> but it holds more people than those last two events combined, so it's a good question.
>
>Oh, come on. Any question that includes "Would NASCAR have the
>authority to have the pilot arrested?" just can't qualify as a "good
>question". Just a bunch of trolling. Its really irritating me that I'm
>going to have to switch my news reader to filter this stuff out.

Probably so. Just about any real newsreader will do. I'm really
surprised that Google Groups wouldn't have the ability to ignore
threads.
--
Alex -- Replace "nospam" with "mail" to reply by email. Checked infrequently.

[Aluckyguess]

It seems clear to me get rid of the Union, they are all a bunch of crooks
anyhow.
Unions protecting the lazy hurting the hard working. Sending jobs oversea's
because of unrealistic wages for unskilled workers..
A skilled laborer will always have a job.

[Peter R.]

SimRacer > wrote:

> The question was essentially, do they have no fly zones over
> NASCAR races, the Daytona 500 in particular.

I cannot tell from your post if you know the answer, but in the event you
don't, sometime right after 9/11 there was a broad TFR written that covered
all sporting venues. This TFR reads, in part:

"ALL AIRCRAFT AND PARACHUTE OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED AT AND BELOW 3,000
FEET AGL WITHIN A THREE NAUTICAL MILE RADIUS OF ANY STADIUM HAVING A
SEATING CAPACITY OF 30,000 OR MORE PEOPLE IN WHICH A MAJOR LEAGUE BASEBALL,
NATIONAL FOOTBALL LEAGUE, NCAA DIVISION ONE FOOTBALL, OR MAJOR MOTOR
SPEEDWAY EVENT IS OCCURING."

This TFR is still active, which means that there definitely was a TFR over
the Daytona 500 and any NEXTEL Cup NASCAR race these days (aren't all the
NEXTEL tracks surrounded by 30k seating capacity?).

Certain aircraft operations, such as aircraft carrying television camera
equipment will apply for a waiver, but a banner tower would most likely be
prohibited from flying.

--
Peter

[Grumman-581]

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> > but it holds more people than those last two events combined, so it's a
good question.
>
> Oh, come on. Any question that includes "Would NASCAR have the
> authority to have the pilot arrested?" just can't qualify as a "good
> question". Just a bunch of trolling. Its really irritating me that I'm
> going to have to switch my news reader to filter this stuff out.

Well, it wasn't a real news story, just propaganda put out by the Teamster
crooks... Look at the source -- "PRNewswire"... As if the line in the
'article' that says, " Founded in 1903, the Teamsters Union represents more
than 1.4 million hardworking men and women in the United States and Canada."
wasn't a dead giveaway that it was just a piece of Teamster propaganda...

What I want in a newsreader is the ability to filter messages that are
crossposted, expecially to groups to which I have no desire to read (e.g.
the NASCAR group in this crosspost)...

[alexy]

"Grumman-581" > wrote:

>What I want in a newsreader is the ability to filter messages that are
>crossposted, expecially to groups to which I have no desire to read (e.g.
>the NASCAR group in this crosspost)...

I don't know if any have that capability. What I use is a
no-longer-supported freeware program called NewsProxy (also known as
nfilter). It sits between your newsreader and your internet
connection, and applies rules to filter messages. Not the most
user-friendly software, but if you are moderately computer adept, you
can make it work. It's popular on another forum I participate in,
where one of the regulars keeps updating the rule set to get rid of
some of the noise in the forum. It might be what you are looking for.
Examples from his rule set include killing messages from known trolls
and spammers, troll indicators in the subject line, cross posts to
more than 3 groups or to particular irrelevant groups, while not
filtering out messages cross-posted to certain relevant groups.

Here's a source if you are interested:
http://www.nfilter.org

--
Alex -- Replace "nospam" with "mail" to reply by email. Checked infrequently.

[WildWeasel]

> DAYTONA, Fla., Feb. 19 /PRNewswire/ -- The Teamsters Union
> denounced Waste Management Inc. (WMI) for its ongoing assault
> on minority sanitation workers by commissioning a plane to fly a
> 50-foot banner over the Daytona 500 speedway for two hours ...

Wonder if the pilots were union pilots?

[SG]

"Grumman-581" > wrote in
message ...
> "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > > but it holds more people than those last two events
combined, so it's a
> good question.
> >
> > Oh, come on. Any question that includes "Would NASCAR have
the
> > authority to have the pilot arrested?" just can't qualify as
a "good
> > question". Just a bunch of trolling. Its really irritating me
that I'm
> > going to have to switch my news reader to filter this stuff
out.
>
> Well, it wasn't a real news story, just propaganda put out by
the Teamster
> crooks... Look at the source -- "PRNewswire"... As if the line
in the
> 'article' that says, " Founded in 1903, the Teamsters Union
represents more
> than 1.4 million hardworking men and women in the United States
and Canada."
> wasn't a dead giveaway that it was just a piece of Teamster
propaganda...
>
> What I want in a newsreader is the ability to filter messages
that are
> crossposted, expecially to groups to which I have no desire to
read (e.g.
> the NASCAR group in this crosspost)...
>
>

But, they won't filter out your stupidity for doing the exact
thing you complain about.

[John Mazor]

"Aluckyguess" > wrote in message
...
> It seems clear to me get rid of the Union, they are all a bunch of crooks
> anyhow.
> Unions protecting the lazy hurting the hard working. Sending jobs
> oversea's because of unrealistic wages for unskilled workers..
> A skilled laborer will always have a job.

Only if you define burger-flipper as a "job". Hundreds of thousands of
skilled workers are looking for jobs in their occupations.

The jobs going overseas aren't for unskilled labor. It's not cost-effective
to outsource minimal-wage jobs. For some work, like office cleaning, it's
not even possible. It's the skilled work that gets outsourced.

-- John Mazor
"The search for wisdom is asymptotic."

"Except for Internet newsgroups, where it is divergent..."
-- R J Carpenter

[John Mazor]

"WildWeasel" > wrote in message
...
>> DAYTONA, Fla., Feb. 19 /PRNewswire/ -- The Teamsters Union
>> denounced Waste Management Inc. (WMI) for its ongoing assault
>> on minority sanitation workers by commissioning a plane to fly a
>> 50-foot banner over the Daytona 500 speedway for two hours ...
>
> Wonder if the pilots were union pilots?

Not unless the flight was operated by an airline, which it almost certainly
wasn't. Even if the pilots work for one of the few Teamster airlines and
volunteered to fly it, this probably was an FBO operation.

-- John Mazor
"The search for wisdom is asymptotic."

"Except for Internet newsgroups, where it is divergent..."
-- R J Carpenter

[Moonshine]

"Grumman-581" > wrote in message
...
> "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > > but it holds more people than those last two events combined, so it's
a
> good question.
> >
> > Oh, come on. Any question that includes "Would NASCAR have the
> > authority to have the pilot arrested?" just can't qualify as a "good
> > question". Just a bunch of trolling. Its really irritating me that I'm
> > going to have to switch my news reader to filter this stuff out.
>
> Well, it wasn't a real news story, just propaganda put out by the Teamster
> crooks... Look at the source -- "PRNewswire"... As if the line in the
> 'article' that says, " Founded in 1903, the Teamsters Union represents
more
> than 1.4 million hardworking men and women in the United States and
Canada."
> wasn't a dead giveaway that it was just a piece of Teamster propaganda...
>
> What I want in a newsreader is the ability to filter messages that are
> crossposted, expecially to groups to which I have no desire to read (e.g.
> the NASCAR group in this crosspost)...
>

Unions especially the Teamsters don't care about their members. The mobbed
up leaders are only interested in recruiting more members so they can take a
cut of every dollar earned by the "1.4 million hardworking men and women in
the United States and Canada".



They have done this in the past through extortion, intimidation and
violence. In today’s world, the controlling Neanderthals are trying to
soften this image but the reasons remain the same.



My hourly value should be judged by my actions, not by some pre-determined
negotiated rate. Every worker should be judged by there talent, integrity,
dedication, and leadership ability. Workers who excel are penalized by
being paid the same as slackers. Eventually the slackers overwhelm the
workforce.



Look at the US post office, millions of letter carriers doing just enough to
get by, counting the days, weeks and years till retirement. I know this
first hand with 3 brothers and two childhood friends in the post office. I
can ask any one of them and they can tell me how long before they are
eligible for retirement and at what level pay they plan to leave (in 4 years
I can retire at 60% pay 7 for full pay).



Unions have destroyed the productivity of the USA. There presence does
nothing but undermine society.

[[email protected]]

Grumman-581 wrote:

> "Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> > but it holds more people than those last two events combined, so it's a
> good question.
>>
>> Oh, come on. Any question that includes "Would NASCAR have the
>> authority to have the pilot arrested?" just can't qualify as a "good
>> question". Just a bunch of trolling. Its really irritating me that I'm
>> going to have to switch my news reader to filter this stuff out.
>
> Well, it wasn't a real news story, just propaganda put out by the Teamster
> crooks... Look at the source -- "PRNewswire"... As if the line in the
> 'article' that says, " Founded in 1903, the Teamsters Union represents
> more than 1.4 million hardworking men and women in the United States and
> Canada." wasn't a dead giveaway that it was just a piece of Teamster
> propaganda...
>
> What I want in a newsreader is the ability to filter messages that are
> crossposted, expecially to groups to which I have no desire to read (e.g.
> the NASCAR group in this crosspost)...


You are probably too stupid to figure out how to do it.
--
Mike

[~consul]

M White wrote:
> What are the air space rules regarding flying over an event like that?
> Anybody know? Would NASCAR have the authority to have the pilot arrested?
> Can NASCAR ask for certain air space at a certain time to be 'theirs'?

Presumably, if it happened during the military fly-over, they'd probably
be restricted.
--
"Oh look, there's the rock that GOD can't pick up, finally I can do my
taxes in peace. And I've set fire to those nearby butterflies, so
Madagascar won't have tornadoes anymore. I'm saving LIVES. And I hope my
foods are still salty with this 'NaCl' stuff, 'cause you'll _never_
know, on principle, if it'll certainly work or not."

[Grumman-581]

"alexy" > wrote in message
...
> I don't know if any have that capability. What I use is a
> no-longer-supported freeware program called NewsProxy (also known as
> nfilter). It sits between your newsreader and your internet
> connection, and applies rules to filter messages. Not the most
> user-friendly software, but if you are moderately computer adept, you
> can make it work. It's popular on another forum I participate in,
> where one of the regulars keeps updating the rule set to get rid of
> some of the noise in the forum. It might be what you are looking for.
> Examples from his rule set include killing messages from known trolls
> and spammers, troll indicators in the subject line, cross posts to
> more than 3 groups or to particular irrelevant groups, while not
> filtering out messages cross-posted to certain relevant groups.

<crossposting to alt.aviation.safety,rec.autos.sport.nascar snipped>

I've tried it, but couldn't find a way to filter based on the "Newsgroups:"
field in the headers....

[alexy]

"Grumman-581" > wrote:

>"alexy" > wrote in message
...
>> I don't know if any have that capability. What I use is a
>> no-longer-supported freeware program called NewsProxy (also known as
>> nfilter). It sits between your newsreader and your internet
>> connection, and applies rules to filter messages. Not the most
>> user-friendly software, but if you are moderately computer adept, you
>> can make it work. It's popular on another forum I participate in,
>> where one of the regulars keeps updating the rule set to get rid of
>> some of the noise in the forum. It might be what you are looking for.
>> Examples from his rule set include killing messages from known trolls
>> and spammers, troll indicators in the subject line, cross posts to
>> more than 3 groups or to particular irrelevant groups, while not
>> filtering out messages cross-posted to certain relevant groups.
>
><crossposting to alt.aviation.safety,rec.autos.sport.nascar snipped>
>
>I've tried it, but couldn't find a way to filter based on the "Newsgroups:"
>field in the headers....
>
Try this line:
rec.aviation.piloting drop xref:*autos.*
to drop all messages in r.a.p crossposted to a group with "autos" in
its name.

And this line:

* drop xref::([^:]+:){3,}

to drop all articles (in any group) crossposted to 3 or more groups.
(I'd have to study up on regular expressions to decade that last one,
but it works.)

Will the obvious demunge of your address work? If so, I'll send you
the filter file someone prepared for another group, which might give
you some ideas.
--
Alex -- Replace "nospam" with "mail" to reply by email. Checked infrequently.

[Grumman-581]

"alexy" > wrote in message
...
> Will the obvious demunge of your address work? If so, I'll send you
> the filter file someone prepared for another group, which might give
> you some ideas.

Yep, it's obfuscated, but it should be fairly obvious what needs to be done
to send it to me over at gmail.com...

[mike regish]

Yep. Here's me. One of them slacker postal workers, who now at age 52 has a
blown disk and nothing but bull**** from management about it. Still trying
to pull my weight without ****ing it up any more than it is. Without my
union, I would have been out the door ages ago. Not because I don't work,
but because I don't cower. Intimidation and coercion are the main management
tools.That's what they do with the temporary help. They can push them around
through fear because they don't have any representation. When they break,
they're out the door. Think they'd treat regulars any different if they
could?

Yeah...unions aren't perfect, but when you work in a culture of white collar
assholes who never put in an honest day's work in their lives and only care
about how much you can put out until they break you, they're lifesavers. It
would be nice to live in a fantasy world where hard work and all that other
crap got you what you were worth, but that's just not the world we live in.
The ass-kissers get all the good stuff while the rest do the work.

Greedy, egomaniacal white collar assholes are the ones who have done the
most damage to productivity. How many times do you figure you can kick a dog
before he turns around and bites you.

Asswipe.

mike


"Moonshine" > wrote in message
...
> Unions especially the Teamsters don't care about their members. The
> mobbed
> up leaders are only interested in recruiting more members so they can take
> a
> cut of every dollar earned by the "1.4 million hardworking men and women
> in
> the United States and Canada".
>
>
>
> They have done this in the past through extortion, intimidation and
> violence. In today’s world, the controlling Neanderthals are trying to
> soften this image but the reasons remain the same.
>
>
>
> My hourly value should be judged by my actions, not by some pre-determined
> negotiated rate. Every worker should be judged by there talent,
> integrity,
> dedication, and leadership ability. Workers who excel are penalized by
> being paid the same as slackers. Eventually the slackers overwhelm the
> workforce.
>
>
>
> Look at the US post office, millions of letter carriers doing just enough
> to
> get by, counting the days, weeks and years till retirement. I know this
> first hand with 3 brothers and two childhood friends in the post office.
> I
> can ask any one of them and they can tell me how long before they are
> eligible for retirement and at what level pay they plan to leave (in 4
> years
> I can retire at 60% pay 7 for full pay).
>
>
>
> Unions have destroyed the productivity of the USA. There presence does
> nothing but undermine society.
>
>

[john smith]

In article >,
"mike regish" > wrote:

> Greedy, egomaniacal white collar assholes are the ones who have done the
> most damage to productivity. How many times do you figure you can kick a dog
> before he turns around and bites you.

I have to admit, you have a point.
My wife works for a large corporation, and the stories she tells me
about goal setting by the executives is that they will not commit to any
objective/goal unless they are absolutely certain it will be obtained.
This so as not to jepardize their bonuses.

[Matt Barrow]

"mike regish" > wrote in message
...
> Yep. Here's me. One of them slacker postal workers, who now at age 52 has
> a blown disk and nothing but bull**** from management about it. Still
> trying to pull my weight without ****ing it up any more than it is.
> Without my union, I would have been out the door ages ago. Not because I
> don't work, but because I don't cower. Intimidation and coercion are the
> main management tools.That's what they do with the temporary help. They
> can push them around through fear because they don't have any
> representation. When they break, they're out the door. Think they'd treat
> regulars any different if they could?
>
> Yeah...unions aren't perfect, but when you work in a culture of white
> collar assholes who never put in an honest day's work in their lives and
> only care about how much you can put out until they break you, they're
> lifesavers. It would be nice to live in a fantasy world where hard work
> and all that other crap got you what you were worth, but that's just not
> the world we live in. The ass-kissers get all the good stuff while the
> rest do the work.
>
> Greedy, egomaniacal white collar assholes are the ones who have done the
> most damage to productivity. How many times do you figure you can kick a
> dog before he turns around and bites you.
>
> Asswipe.
>

When you're done whining, mommy will give you a new bottle.

[Matt Barrow]

"john smith" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "mike regish" > wrote:
>
>> Greedy, egomaniacal white collar assholes are the ones who have done the
>> most damage to productivity. How many times do you figure you can kick a
>> dog
>> before he turns around and bites you.
>
> I have to admit, you have a point.
> My wife works for a large corporation, and the stories she tells me
> about goal setting by the executives is that they will not commit to any
> objective/goal unless they are absolutely certain it will be obtained.
> This so as not to jepardize their bonuses.

Bonuses typically have nothing to do with meeting project goals, or with
achieving a goal versus reaching 98% of it.

[john smith]

In article >,
"Matt Barrow" > wrote:

> "john smith" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "mike regish" > wrote:
> >
> >> Greedy, egomaniacal white collar assholes are the ones who have done the
> >> most damage to productivity. How many times do you figure you can kick a
> >> dog
> >> before he turns around and bites you.
> >
> > I have to admit, you have a point.
> > My wife works for a large corporation, and the stories she tells me
> > about goal setting by the executives is that they will not commit to any
> > objective/goal unless they are absolutely certain it will be obtained.
> > This so as not to jepardize their bonuses.

> Bonuses typically have nothing to do with meeting project goals, or with
> achieving a goal versus reaching 98% of it.

In this company it does.
It also makes a difference in the support a manager receives if a
project is not one of their VP's individual goals.

[Matt Barrow]

"john smith" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Matt Barrow" > wrote:
>
>> > I have to admit, you have a point.
>> > My wife works for a large corporation, and the stories she tells me
>> > about goal setting by the executives is that they will not commit to
>> > any
>> > objective/goal unless they are absolutely certain it will be obtained.
>> > This so as not to jepardize their bonuses.
>
>> Bonuses typically have nothing to do with meeting project goals, or with
>> achieving a goal versus reaching 98% of it.
>
> In this company it does.
> It also makes a difference in the support a manager receives if a
> project is not one of their VP's individual goals.

There were so many projects I would have loved to decline when I was in the
situation!!

Unfortunately, it doesn't work that way.

[Moonshine]

"mike regish" > wrote in message
...
> Yep. Here's me. One of them slacker postal workers, who now at age 52 has
a
> blown disk and nothing but bull**** from management about it. Still trying
> to pull my weight without ****ing it up any more than it is.

So how many hours,minutes,seconds do you have left? That is if you don't
"GO POSTAL" and shoot up your shop.

[mike regish]

Don't know since I have young kids. But however much time I have left, it's
too much. Just trying to make it with no more damage.

mike

"Moonshine" > wrote in message
...
>
> "mike regish" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Yep. Here's me. One of them slacker postal workers, who now at age 52 has
> a
>> blown disk and nothing but bull**** from management about it. Still
>> trying
>> to pull my weight without ****ing it up any more than it is.
>
> So how many hours,minutes,seconds do you have left? That is if you don't
> "GO POSTAL" and shoot up your shop.
>
>
>

[Morgans]

"mike regish" > wrote in message
...
> Don't know since I have young kids. But however much time I have left,
> it's too much. Just trying to make it with no more damage.

I'm in the same boat, but I'm a teacher.

My second operation, a fusion of L 4-5, was not very successful in taking
the pain away, but did stabilize it. I now think I have blown out the next
disk above it.

It is all I can do, to make it through the school day, come home and take
pain pills, and lay still until at least 7 PM. After that, I can get some
supper, and move around a little.

It has gotten so bad, I don't think I will be able to do OSH, this year. I
wouldn't be surprised if I am under the knife, by then.

14 years in the retirement system, and an impossible number to go, before
retirement and/or disability.

Hang in there, man. The only ones who can fully know your pain, are the
ones like us that have it.
--
Jim in NC