Daley to Privatize Chicago's Midway Airport?

[Jay Honeck]

What the heck is King Daley up to now?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060304/us_nm/transport_midway_dc
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[jsmith]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> What the heck is King Daley up to now?
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060304/us_nm/transport_midway_dc

He knows that there is no money in aviation. User fees will be charged
and raised to pay the graft.

[Dave Stadt]

"jsmith" > wrote in message
...
> Jay Honeck wrote:
>> What the heck is King Daley up to now?
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060304/us_nm/transport_midway_dc
>
> He knows that there is no money in aviation. User fees will be charged and
> raised to pay the graft.

Was that supposed to make sense?

[john smith]

In article >,
"Dave Stadt" > wrote:

> "jsmith" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Jay Honeck wrote:
> >> What the heck is King Daley up to now?
> >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060304/us_nm/transport_midway_dc

> > He knows that there is no money in aviation. User fees will be charged and
> > raised to pay the graft.

> Was that supposed to make sense?

In a convoluted way. Daley probably wants to get rid of Midway, but he
cannot do it the same way he did with Meigs. So he privatizes it
increase the fees users pay to access it. The lessee collects the user
fees. The lessee then pays a portion of the user fee to the Daley Show.
Eventually, the fees become excessive and users leave. The Daley Show
then announces that Midway is no longer viable and shuts it down.
This places even more of a burden on O'Hare.
The Illinois congress critters then force a funding initiative for a new
Chicago airport (which will make the $100 billion spent on Denver look
like a bargin) through the legislature. This will guarantee thousands of
high paying construction jobs and income taxes to Illinois for the next
10-20 years.

[Dave Stadt]

"john smith" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Dave Stadt" > wrote:
>
>> "jsmith" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > Jay Honeck wrote:
>> >> What the heck is King Daley up to now?
>> >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060304/us_nm/transport_midway_dc
>
>> > He knows that there is no money in aviation. User fees will be charged
>> > and
>> > raised to pay the graft.
>
>> Was that supposed to make sense?
>
> In a convoluted way. Daley probably wants to get rid of Midway, but he
> cannot do it the same way he did with Meigs. So he privatizes it
> increase the fees users pay to access it. The lessee collects the user
> fees. The lessee then pays a portion of the user fee to the Daley Show.
> Eventually, the fees become excessive and users leave. The Daley Show
> then announces that Midway is no longer viable and shuts it down.
> This places even more of a burden on O'Hare.
> The Illinois congress critters then force a funding initiative for a new
> Chicago airport (which will make the $100 billion spent on Denver look
> like a bargin) through the legislature. This will guarantee thousands of
> high paying construction jobs and income taxes to Illinois for the next
> 10-20 years.

And just where in Chicago would this new airport be built?

[Jay Honeck]

> And just where in Chicago would this new airport be built?

Well, the logical place would be just offshore out in Lake Michigan.
Easy access to downtown, plenty of room to expand...

Oh, wait...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[jsmith]

> And just where in Chicago would this new airport be built?


Dave, you need to read the newspapers!
The proposed location is down by Peotone VOR, about 30-40 miles south of
Chicago. It would be run by Chicago.
That's why the proposal was dropped 3-4 years ago. The local communities
weren't going to allow Chicago control over their land.
There would be plenty of graft and corruption to go around, so a deal
could yet be crafted.

[Dave Stadt]

"jsmith" > wrote in message
...
>> And just where in Chicago would this new airport be built?
>
>
> Dave, you need to read the newspapers!
> The proposed location is down by Peotone VOR, about 30-40 miles south of
> Chicago. It would be run by Chicago.
> That's why the proposal was dropped 3-4 years ago. The local communities
> weren't going to allow Chicago control over their land.
> There would be plenty of graft and corruption to go around, so a deal
> could yet be crafted.

Yes I read newspapers and get information from numerous other news sources
as well. Daley would have absolutely no control over the proposed third
airport in Peotone. Peotone is not Chicago. That is why he is dead set
against it or any other options that do not involve ORD such as expanding
Gary or Rockford. He managed to get the huge ORD expansion approved so he
could maintain control. I don't know where you get your information but you
need to consider other sources.

[Jim Burns]

Hey, what ever happened to the plan to build one at Peotone? It's been ages
since I heard that mentioned.
Jim

"Dave Stadt" > wrote in message
t...
>
> "john smith" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article >,
> > "Dave Stadt" > wrote:
> >
> >> "jsmith" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > Jay Honeck wrote:
> >> >> What the heck is King Daley up to now?
> >> >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060304/us_nm/transport_midway_dc
> >
> >> > He knows that there is no money in aviation. User fees will be
charged
> >> > and
> >> > raised to pay the graft.
> >
> >> Was that supposed to make sense?
> >
> > In a convoluted way. Daley probably wants to get rid of Midway, but he
> > cannot do it the same way he did with Meigs. So he privatizes it
> > increase the fees users pay to access it. The lessee collects the user
> > fees. The lessee then pays a portion of the user fee to the Daley Show.
> > Eventually, the fees become excessive and users leave. The Daley Show
> > then announces that Midway is no longer viable and shuts it down.
> > This places even more of a burden on O'Hare.
> > The Illinois congress critters then force a funding initiative for a new
> > Chicago airport (which will make the $100 billion spent on Denver look
> > like a bargin) through the legislature. This will guarantee thousands of
> > high paying construction jobs and income taxes to Illinois for the next
> > 10-20 years.
>
> And just where in Chicago would this new airport be built?
>
>

[Jim Burns]

Duh... shutup and keep reading Jim.

"Jim Burns" > wrote in message
...
> Hey, what ever happened to the plan to build one at Peotone? It's been
ages
> since I heard that mentioned.
> Jim
>
> "Dave Stadt" > wrote in message
> t...
> >
> > "john smith" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > In article >,
> > > "Dave Stadt" > wrote:
> > >
> > >> "jsmith" > wrote in message
> > >> ...
> > >> > Jay Honeck wrote:
> > >> >> What the heck is King Daley up to now?
> > >> >> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20060304/us_nm/transport_midway_dc
> > >
> > >> > He knows that there is no money in aviation. User fees will be
> charged
> > >> > and
> > >> > raised to pay the graft.
> > >
> > >> Was that supposed to make sense?
> > >
> > > In a convoluted way. Daley probably wants to get rid of Midway, but he
> > > cannot do it the same way he did with Meigs. So he privatizes it
> > > increase the fees users pay to access it. The lessee collects the user
> > > fees. The lessee then pays a portion of the user fee to the Daley
Show.
> > > Eventually, the fees become excessive and users leave. The Daley Show
> > > then announces that Midway is no longer viable and shuts it down.
> > > This places even more of a burden on O'Hare.
> > > The Illinois congress critters then force a funding initiative for a
new
> > > Chicago airport (which will make the $100 billion spent on Denver look
> > > like a bargin) through the legislature. This will guarantee thousands
of
> > > high paying construction jobs and income taxes to Illinois for the
next
> > > 10-20 years.
> >
> > And just where in Chicago would this new airport be built?
> >
> >
>
>

[Dave Stadt]

"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> ("WRE" wrote)
>> Oh did I mention my thoughts on what Daley plans to do with Meigs Field?
>> That will be a casino some day. Controlled access from the city (there's
>> only one road in) and boats from all over Lake Michigan will be able to
>> pull up and gamble. You heard it here first!
>
>
> Actually, we heard it about 5 minutes after Daley bulldozed those big X's
> into the runway.
>
>
> Montblack

Actually it was heard a long time before that. When he first started
talking about closing Meigs it became known he would eventually put in a
gambling boat. He will probably kick the boat owners out of Burnham Harbor
to bring in the gambling boat. After all they are a security risk. They
can cruise up the Chicago Sewer errrrrr I mean River right into down town
and set off a bomb and they can carry a lot more than a 172.

[[email protected]]

Jim Burns wrote:
> Hey, what ever happened to the plan to build one at Peotone? It's been ages
> since I heard that mentioned.
> Jim

Don't you guys use Google ??
Finally, some private sector "free enterprise" entrepenuers:

"The Illinois Department of Transportation's plans for an airport near
Peotone might be in limbo, but that isn't stopping a south suburban
businessman from trying to build an airport of his own on the same
property.
James Bult wants to open Bult Field, a one-mile airstrip capable of
accommodating corporate jets amid the farms in eastern Will County.

Bult Field would not be unlike the dozens of other private airports
scattered around the Chicago area - except it would be in the
footprint of IDOT's south suburban airport.
The development is piquing the curiosity of neighbors, who cannot
understand why Bult would sink millions of dollars into land that will
be plowed under if IDOT ever builds its airport.

"It is bizarre," said Barbara Gaffney, who lives nearby in
unincorporated Monee.
A hearing Tuesday for the Bult Field proposal was postponed by the Will
County Planning and Zoning Commission until April 4.
Brian Radner, a planner with the county's Land Use Department, said the
matter likely will be postponed for a couple of months to determine if
Bult violated building codes by starting work on the runway before the
project was approved.

Last week, construction equipment and piles of fresh dirt surrounded
the path of a new landing strip parallel to Offner Road, between Kedzie
and Western avenues.
"We want to make sure everything is in compliance," Radner said.
Bult hung up on a phone call seeking comment. He did not respond to
messages left at his home and business.
In an application filed with the county, however, Bult seeks to
substantially upgrade the old Sanger Airport, a general aviation
airport that opened in the 1950s.

The dilapidated hangars of the old airport would be replaced with new
buildings and an office.
The old runway would be rebuilt, almost doubling in size to 5,000 feet,
with a concrete surface 7 inches thick.

Bult's application with the county states he wants a runway suitable
for handling his new Cessna jet, due to arrive in 2008.
Because Bult Field would continue the operations of an existing
airport, it
does not require additional approval from IDOT's division of
aeronautics or the Federal Aviation Administration.

Matt Vanover, an IDOT spokesman, said there is nothing that can be done
to stop the project, despite its location in an area targeted by the
state for a commercial airport with one runway and a six-gate terminal.
The FAA has yet to approve IDOT's airport.
"We have had a number of discussions with Mr. Bult. He is well aware
that we are building an airport," Vanover said. "It is his property. It
is his to do what he wants with it."
Vanover said Bult Field eventually "could be incorporated" into a
larger airport. He declined to elaborate.
Vanover also said the state might consider buying the property from
Bult."

Big Ups to Mr Bult....JG

[[email protected]]

Dave Stadt wrote:
> "jsmith" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> And just where in Chicago would this new airport be built?
> >
> >
> > Dave, you need to read the newspapers!
> > The proposed location is down by Peotone VOR, about 30-40 miles south of
> > Chicago. It would be run by Chicago.
> > That's why the proposal was dropped 3-4 years ago. The local communities
> > weren't going to allow Chicago control over their land.
> > There would be plenty of graft and corruption to go around, so a deal
> > could yet be crafted.
>
> Yes I read newspapers and get information from numerous other news sources
> as well. Daley would have absolutely no control over the proposed third
> airport in Peotone. Peotone is not Chicago. That is why he is dead set
> against it or any other options that do not involve ORD such as expanding
> Gary or Rockford.

The paperboy in Stadtville, Alabama must be a few weeks behind.

"Gary/Chicago International Airport
>From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Runway layout at GYYThe Gary/Chicago International Airport (GYY)
located in Gary, Indiana is operated by the Gary Chicago Airport
Authority, the basis for which was formed by the Chicago Gary Airport
Compact signed in 1995. While its current operations are rather limited
it has been designed with an eye towards growth. Federal funds were
secured in January 2006 to move railroad tracks away from the northwest
corner and extend the runway to 9,000 feet, as well as expand the
terminal building. It is strategically located on the south end of Lake
Michigan about 25 miles from Chicago where the two major airports
operating there, (O'Hare Airport and Midway Airport), are strapped for
capacity. Nearby highway connections include I-90, I-80, I-94, I-65 and
the Chicago Skyway."
....
"Thursday, June 26, 2003
Chicago to Fund Most of Gary, Ind., Airport Access Road Construction
Costs
The Munster (IN) Times

GARY, Ind.--A $634,829 contract to rebuild and realign the roads that
wind
past the Gary/Chicago Airport passenger terminal was awarded Wednesday
to
Rieth-Riley Construction Co. of Gary.

Rieth-Riley was the lowest of five bidders, according to aviation
consultant
Ken Ross, and was about $60,000 under the engineer's estimate.
All but $7,445 worth of work is being funded with city of Chicago
passenger
facility charge funds, as part of a pact the airport authority struck
years
ago with the city of Chicago to work together on airport development in
the
Chicagoland region.

Approval of the contract by members of the Gary/Chicago Airport
Authority
means work can get started immediately."

[Dave Stadt]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Dave Stadt wrote:
>> "jsmith" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> And just where in Chicago would this new airport be built?
>> >
>> >
>> > Dave, you need to read the newspapers!
>> > The proposed location is down by Peotone VOR, about 30-40 miles south
>> > of
>> > Chicago. It would be run by Chicago.
>> > That's why the proposal was dropped 3-4 years ago. The local
>> > communities
>> > weren't going to allow Chicago control over their land.
>> > There would be plenty of graft and corruption to go around, so a deal
>> > could yet be crafted.
>>
>> Yes I read newspapers and get information from numerous other news
>> sources
>> as well. Daley would have absolutely no control over the proposed third
>> airport in Peotone. Peotone is not Chicago. That is why he is dead set
>> against it or any other options that do not involve ORD such as expanding
>> Gary or Rockford.
>
> The paperboy in Stadtville, Alabama must be a few weeks behind.
>
> "Gary/Chicago International Airport
>>From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
> Runway layout at GYYThe Gary/Chicago International Airport (GYY)
> located in Gary, Indiana is operated by the Gary Chicago Airport
> Authority, the basis for which was formed by the Chicago Gary Airport
> Compact signed in 1995. While its current operations are rather limited
> it has been designed with an eye towards growth. Federal funds were
> secured in January 2006 to move railroad tracks away from the northwest
> corner and extend the runway to 9,000 feet, as well as expand the
> terminal building. It is strategically located on the south end of Lake
> Michigan about 25 miles from Chicago where the two major airports
> operating there, (O'Hare Airport and Midway Airport), are strapped for
> capacity. Nearby highway connections include I-90, I-80, I-94, I-65 and
> the Chicago Skyway."
> ...
> "Thursday, June 26, 2003
> Chicago to Fund Most of Gary, Ind., Airport Access Road Construction
> Costs
> The Munster (IN) Times
>
> GARY, Ind.--A $634,829 contract to rebuild and realign the roads that
> wind
> past the Gary/Chicago Airport passenger terminal was awarded Wednesday
> to
> Rieth-Riley Construction Co. of Gary.
>
> Rieth-Riley was the lowest of five bidders, according to aviation
> consultant
> Ken Ross, and was about $60,000 under the engineer's estimate.
> All but $7,445 worth of work is being funded with city of Chicago
> passenger
> facility charge funds, as part of a pact the airport authority struck
> years
> ago with the city of Chicago to work together on airport development in
> the
> Chicagoland region.
>
> Approval of the contract by members of the Gary/Chicago Airport
> Authority
> means work can get started immediately."


Oh my goodness, $634,829 in road improvements! Now that will cause Daley
and ORD to shake in their boots. AFAIK most, if not all commuters and
airlines, that went into GYY have bailed so the 152s and Boeing will have
fun with the 9,000 feet of runway. Those airlines that did go into GYY had
no interest in going into ORD or MDW. Sounds like the Feds are a day late
with their upgrade funding. GYY will never take meaningful capacity away
from MDW or ORD. Daley sees GYY as nothing more than a pimple on an
elephants butt. He will throw them a bone every once in a while to keep the
noise level down just like he has done with communities surrounding ORD that
are willing to work with him on the MULTI BILLION (BILLION not hundreds of
thousands) dollar ORD expansion. If Gary acts up he will just go in and
bulldoze it.

Can't say that I've been in AL for a decade or so. Did find Huntsville to
be very high tech and very up to date when it came to news timeliness when I
used to spent time there.