Headsets ?

[jad]

Hi Guys..

Okay Im looking into buying a new headset now ive gone commercial.. Was
looking at standard sets but have been advised by many save up a little
more and get an ANR set (thanks guys ;)

Just a question regarding pricing of these sets. I require a set for use
in helicopters but why is it, heli sets are more expensive than the GA ?

The only difference I can tell is the plug setup! That being said,
shouldnt the chopper sets actually be cheaper considering they only have
the one NATO plug??

Are there any other differences ??

Thanks guys,


Jad

[Jim Macklin]

Prices are set by the market size, since fewer helicopter
sets are sold, they cost more.

Paper clips are cheap only because they are made and sold by
the billions. Aircraft parts cost a lot because they are
very low volume production and they are tracked closely in
case there are service recalls. Aircraft headsets are low
volume items.

Also, some nations have import duties that raise the price.


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

--
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But government sees it as an obstacle to be overcome.
some support
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"jad" > wrote in message
...
| Hi Guys..
|
| Okay Im looking into buying a new headset now ive gone
commercial.. Was
| looking at standard sets but have been advised by many
save up a little
| more and get an ANR set (thanks guys ;)
|
| Just a question regarding pricing of these sets. I require
a set for use
| in helicopters but why is it, heli sets are more expensive
than the GA ?
|
| The only difference I can tell is the plug setup! That
being said,
| shouldnt the chopper sets actually be cheaper considering
they only have
| the one NATO plug??
|
| Are there any other differences ??
|
| Thanks guys,
|
|
| Jad

[Michelle]

jad wrote:
> Hi Guys..
>
> Okay Im looking into buying a new headset now ive gone commercial.. Was
> looking at standard sets but have been advised by many save up a little
> more and get an ANR set (thanks guys ;)
>
> Just a question regarding pricing of these sets. I require a set for use
> in helicopters but why is it, heli sets are more expensive than the GA ?
>
> The only difference I can tell is the plug setup! That being said,
> shouldnt the chopper sets actually be cheaper considering they only have
> the one NATO plug??
>
> Are there any other differences ??
>
> Thanks guys,
>
>
> Jad
http://davidclark.com/HeadsetPgs/h10-56hxl.htm
or
http://davidclark.com/HeadsetPgs/h10-60.htm
available in severral configurations

Only way to go.....
Michellle

[Ol Shy & Bashful]

I've got Dave Clarks and have an adaptor plug ($40) so I can use them
for either fixed or rotor (which I do on a daily basis).
Get the best you can afford. I've still got a Plantronics set with
custom earpieces that I've had at least 30 years now. My gear will
outlast me.
Ol Shy & Bashful

[Stefan Lörchner]

>Okay Im looking into buying a new headset now ive gone commercial.. Was
>looking at standard sets but have been advised by many save up a little
>more and get an ANR set (thanks guys ;)

Some people strongly reject anr because you cannot listen to the
aircraft as good as without anr.

>Just a question regarding pricing of these sets. I require a set for use
>in helicopters but why is it, heli sets are more expensive than the GA ?

helipilots are much richer ;-)

>shouldnt the chopper sets actually be cheaper considering they only have
>the one NATO plug??
>
>Are there any other differences ??

Heliplugs have only 4 contacts therefore only mono sound is possible.
GA-Headsets often support stereo now. If you want to use a stereo in
mono in a copter there might be a little more effort to build an
adapter.

I like my (simple) Avcomm headsets. It came with two cords which have a
little plug that fit into the headset. One coiled for heli and one
straight, two-plugged for GA.

[[email protected]]

jad wrote:
> Hi Guys..
>
> Okay Im looking into buying a new headset now ive gone commercial.. Was
> looking at standard sets but have been advised by many save up a little
> more and get an ANR set (thanks guys ;)

> Jad

List the features you think you need (comfort, noise reduction,
clarity, reliability, style, company support, etc.), choose the one
that is most important to you, and find the headset that has that
feature. In my case, I needed to hear clearly, so I chose the one with
the most noise reduction and best sound. Comfort was not great after
several hours, and style left something to be desired.

The nice thing about ANR is that if the batteries go out, you still
have about the same noise reduction as standard -- they still work.

[Stuart & Kathryn Fields]

Weeelll as told to me by the chief instructor at the Test Pilot school in
Mojave (helicopter pilot) He doesn't feel good as a passenger in a
helicopter where the pilot isn't wearing a helmet. He related some bird
strike stories where the helmet saved the pilot from being knocked
unconscious. Can you imagine the fun riding in the back seat with an
unconscious pilot in the front seat with bird feathers and other stuff
forming around you for your last ride? He advised wearing the helmet with
a clear shield in place. A high time Alaskan bush pilot operator told me
that pilots working for him in fixed or rotary wing wore the helmet and
Nomex flight suits. At least two of his pilots avoided fatal head injuries
wearing a helmet. A friend of mine finally gave in and bought a helmet to
use in lieu of his $1,000 Bose units. Not too long after that the cost of
the helmet was retrieved in a crash into a rock pile. All he got was a
sprained ankle and some paint missing from his helmet. My little foo pah in
my Safari is another helmet story. Gawd! As I write this it sounds like
helmets cause accidents.

--
Stu Fields
Experimental Helo magazine
P. O. Box 1585
Inyokern, CA 93527
(760) 377-4478
(760) 408-9747 general and layout cell
(760) 608-1299 technical and advertising cell

www.vkss.com
www.experimentalhelo.com


"The OTHER Kevin in San Diego" <skiddz "AT" adelphia "DOT" net> wrote in
message ...
> On Sun, 19 Mar 2006 16:18:35 +1100, jad
> > wrote:
>
> >Hi Guys..
> >
> >Okay Im looking into buying a new headset now ive gone commercial.. Was
> >looking at standard sets but have been advised by many save up a little
> >more and get an ANR set (thanks guys ;)
> >
> >Just a question regarding pricing of these sets. I require a set for use
> >in helicopters but why is it, heli sets are more expensive than the GA ?
> >
> >The only difference I can tell is the plug setup! That being said,
> >shouldnt the chopper sets actually be cheaper considering they only have
> >the one NATO plug??
> >
> >Are there any other differences ??
>
> I was considering the Bose ANR headset just a few months ago and
> decided to save some $$ and pick up a set of Dave Clark H10-56s with
> ANR. Saved $350 and they work great. I only have two complaints
> about 'em. The battery (standard 9V) is good for about 10-12 hours
> and the little clip on the battery box doesn't want to hold on to
> anything so I end up stuffing it down my shirt. Other than that, it's
> a great headset and very comfy.
>
> Dunno why helo sets are more expensive than fixed wing.. but then
> again, helos are more expensive to operate than most fixed wing so....
> :)
>
>

[Shiver]

> "Stuart & Kathryn Fields" > wrote:
>
> A friend of mine finally gave in and bought a helmet to
> use in lieu of his $1,000 Bose units.

Mythbusters has an episode showing what happens when a chicken cannon
gets used on the windscreen of a GA type airplane.

They were surprised that it when right through and did damage to buster
their dummmy.

They were under the impression that the windscreens in small airplanes
where made out of some sort of shatterproof or shatter resistant glass
or plastic.

[jad]

Hmmm...

Well im liking the look of the Flightcom Denalli sets.. got the anr and
all the goodies... and a spunky looking yellow too! haha

Anyone used these ?


wrote:
> jad wrote:
>
>>Hi Guys..
>>
>>Okay Im looking into buying a new headset now ive gone commercial.. Was
>>looking at standard sets but have been advised by many save up a little
>>more and get an ANR set (thanks guys ;)
>
>
>>Jad
>
>
> List the features you think you need (comfort, noise reduction,
> clarity, reliability, style, company support, etc.), choose the one
> that is most important to you, and find the headset that has that
> feature. In my case, I needed to hear clearly, so I chose the one with
> the most noise reduction and best sound. Comfort was not great after
> several hours, and style left something to be desired.
>
> The nice thing about ANR is that if the batteries go out, you still
> have about the same noise reduction as standard -- they still work.
>

[B4RT]

"Stuart & Kathryn Fields" > wrote in message
.. .
> Weeelll as told to me by the chief instructor at the Test Pilot school in
> Mojave (helicopter pilot) He doesn't feel good as a passenger in a
> helicopter where the pilot isn't wearing a helmet. He related some bird


Just so we get our nomenclature correct, its called an ECD not a helmet.
ECD is an acronym for Ego Containment Device. I think maybe we should all
fly with nomex suits, nomex gloves, steel toed jack boots, and an ECD.

Am I serious? See this pic: http://www.igor.com/pix/03-14-06_1634.jpg


Bart

[[email protected]]

Bart
Laughed at your description. When I am working in ag operations, I wear
my custom Kevlar helmet from FlightSuits LTD ($700+ with all the
avionics and now 20 years old), a nomex flight suit, nomex gloves, and
boots (not steel toed). The helmet looks like it has been to the wars
and back and has saved me many hard lumps and lost skin from banging
around in turbulence, it has helped to save my hearing and even then I
wear earplugs under the helmet. The nomex suit is more for warmth on
cold early mornings up in northern MN and it saves on my street clothes
getting helicopter filthy. The nomex gloves I use for warmth as well as
giving me a more positive feel on the controls especially when my hands
get slippery from perspiration when the temps get up there.
I did take some birds thru the windscreen one time while flying in
Egypt and they left a feather smear on the side of my helmet. I don't
use a visor though.
Rocky

[Stuart & Kathryn Fields]

Bart: I like it: ECD I hadn't heard that one before; I think that I will
use that in the magazine. Actually learning to fly the helicopter pretty
well contained my ego. BTW my friend recently put his ship down hard in
the desert and if he had been dressed as your picture shows, he would have
died of dehydration trying to walk the 6 miles thru the desert with the
cactus and puncture weeds. His ECD must have worked to his advantage, cause
talking to him the other day indicated that he still had an alive and well
ego. However, he didn't need to use the nomex suit as the helicopter was on
its side with the engine still running with the leaking gas missing the
engine completely.
If your attached picture shows your normal footwear, I would recommend a
lot of practice walking on carpet tacks. It could come in real handy.

--
Stu Fields
Experimental Helo magazine
P. O. Box 1585
Inyokern, CA 93527
(760) 377-4478
(760) 408-9747 general and layout cell
(760) 608-1299 technical and advertising cell

www.vkss.com
www.experimentalhelo.com


"B4RT" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Stuart & Kathryn Fields" > wrote in message
> .. .
> > Weeelll as told to me by the chief instructor at the Test Pilot school
in
> > Mojave (helicopter pilot) He doesn't feel good as a passenger in a
> > helicopter where the pilot isn't wearing a helmet. He related some bird
>
>
> Just so we get our nomenclature correct, its called an ECD not a helmet.
> ECD is an acronym for Ego Containment Device. I think maybe we should all
> fly with nomex suits, nomex gloves, steel toed jack boots, and an ECD.
>
> Am I serious? See this pic: http://www.igor.com/pix/03-14-06_1634.jpg
>
>
> Bart
>
>
>

[Don W]

Stuart & Kathryn Fields wrote:
> Bart: I like it: ECD I hadn't heard that one before; I think that I will
> use that in the magazine. Actually learning to fly the helicopter pretty
> well contained my ego. BTW my friend recently put his ship down hard in
> the desert and if he had been dressed as your picture shows, he would have
> died of dehydration trying to walk the 6 miles thru the desert with the
> cactus and puncture weeds. His ECD must have worked to his advantage, cause
> talking to him the other day indicated that he still had an alive and well
> ego. However, he didn't need to use the nomex suit as the helicopter was on
> its side with the engine still running with the leaking gas missing the
> engine completely.
> If your attached picture shows your normal footwear, I would recommend a
> lot of practice walking on carpet tacks. It could come in real handy.

I may be showing my ignorance here as I've only flown two types of
heli's. In either of the types I've flown, he is not guarding the
collective since he's flying the cylcle with his left hand. ??

Don W.

[john smith]

In article >,
"B4RT" > wrote:

> Am I serious? See this pic: http://www.igor.com/pix/03-14-06_1634.jpg

I noticed the vent is closed.

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN]

Morgans wrote:
> "B4RT" > wrote
>
>> Am I serious? See this pic: http://www.igor.com/pix/03-14-06_1634.jpg
>
> Typical helio pilot. He needed to be able to count to more than ten. <g>


Man, I used to fly barefoot. After some people got on my ass about it, I
stopped. Then when I had my accident, I don't know where the hell my shoe got
to but I arrived at the ER with just one of them. Both feet, but only one shoe.

Pretty new ones too. Damn.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

[Morgans]

"B4RT" > wrote

> Am I serious? See this pic: http://www.igor.com/pix/03-14-06_1634.jpg

Typical helio pilot. He needed to be able to count to more than ten. <g>

[B4RT]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Bart
> Laughed at your description. When I am working in ag operations, I wear
> my custom Kevlar helmet from FlightSuits LTD ($700+ with all the
> avionics and now 20 years old), a nomex flight suit, nomex gloves, and
> boots (not steel toed).

Rocky; Actually I own a bright orange kevlar outfit too, I usually wear it
when its colder and on a long flight where I'm feeling like I'd like to be
rescued faster. Later on in the same trip I had to change into much warmer
clothes, I went from 85F - 20 something F in the same day. I was taking the
chopper from Key West to PA to get some work done last week. I was in a
buttload of turbulence in the Carolina mountains and actually saw a 100+
knot headwind component at 8000 feet. (the mountain was 6000 feet). The
thing was yawing all over and certainly more bumpy than anything I've ever
felt before. I never thought I was gonna hit my head though. I can imagine
that ag-ops are a lot more threatening than 1500 agl straight n level.

Morgans; Too funny. How did you know I needed to take my shoes off count
past 10?

John Smith; Yep, the pilot side vent is closed. I had both windows open and
the co-pilot vent open. I leave the pilot vent closed so that I can read
charts without having them flapping all over the place in the breeze.
There's no middle ground with Bell's vents, theyre either off or hurricane.

Don W; Yes, I am flying with my left hand. Trust me, if anything had
happened I'd have been all over that collective in a heartbeat. Over the
course of a 12 hour ferry flight you're gonna have to let go of the
collective now and then to do stuff. (Flying with your knees is not unheard
of either if a task takes 2 hands.)

Stu ; The ECT debate has been going on for years, Im in the no ECT camp. I
figure Im in the "Safest single engine aircraft in the sky" and the extra
weight and discomfort would add to to the fatigue of long days. I think the
ECT might unnerve passengers too. I suppose if I was nap of the earth in an
experimental machine I'd consider different attire.

Kevin; Yes that my Jet Ranger and my feet. I usually wear slip on boat shoes
because theyre great for walking around on wet aircraft too and they don't
leave scuffs. I kicked em off for a sec to take that pic. When I cross the
gulf of mexico (like that day) I wear stuff I can swim in. I also had vest
with an 406 EPIRB, flares, strobe, and a marine radio.

Thanks all,

Bart

The helmet looks like it has been to the wars
> and back and has saved me many hard lumps and lost skin from banging
> around in turbulence, it has helped to save my hearing and even then I
> wear earplugs under the helmet. The nomex suit is more for warmth on
> cold early mornings up in northern MN and it saves on my street clothes
> getting helicopter filthy. The nomex gloves I use for warmth as well as
> giving me a more positive feel on the controls especially when my hands
> get slippery from perspiration when the temps get up there.
> I did take some birds thru the windscreen one time while flying in
> Egypt and they left a feather smear on the side of my helmet. I don't
> use a visor though.
> Rocky
>

[Stuart & Kathryn Fields]

--
Stu Fields
Experimental Helo magazine
P. O. Box 1585
Inyokern, CA 93527
(760) 377-4478
(760) 408-9747 general and layout cell
(760) 608-1299 technical and advertising cell

www.vkss.com
www.experimentalhelo.com


"The OTHER Kevin in San Diego" <skiddz "AT" adelphia "DOT" net> wrote in
message ...
> On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:31:09 -0500, "Morgans"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >"B4RT" > wrote
> >
> >> Am I serious? See this pic: http://www.igor.com/pix/03-14-06_1634.jpg
> >
> >Typical helio pilot. He needed to be able to count to more than ten. <g>
>
> Coulda made it to 21 if he was flying naked. :)

Naw just 20.5

>
>

[Thomas Borchert]

Michelle,

> Only way to go.....
>

...if you want a headache as a free bonus. Jeeze, old habits sure die
hard.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Michael Ware]

"The OTHER Kevin in San Diego" <skiddz "AT" adelphia "DOT" net> wrote in
message ...
> On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:31:09 -0500, "Morgans"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >"B4RT" > wrote
> >
> >> Am I serious? See this pic: http://www.igor.com/pix/03-14-06_1634.jpg
> >
> >Typical helio pilot. He needed to be able to count to more than ten. <g>
>
> Coulda made it to 21 if he was flying naked. :)
>
>
How do you know he's not?!

[B4RT]

"Michael Ware" > wrote in message
. ..
>
> "The OTHER Kevin in San Diego" <skiddz "AT" adelphia "DOT" net> wrote in
> message ...
>> On Mon, 20 Mar 2006 18:31:09 -0500, "Morgans"
>> > wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"B4RT" > wrote
>> >
>> >> Am I serious? See this pic: http://www.igor.com/pix/03-14-06_1634.jpg
>> >
>> >Typical helio pilot. He needed to be able to count to more than ten.
>> ><g>
>>
>> Coulda made it to 21 if he was flying naked. :)
>>
>>
> How do you know he's not?!
>

Actually, I have to be able to count to 28 (the max gph burn) , but I'm sure
not
gonna tell ya how I'm doing it.

You guys are too funny/

LMAO,
Bart

[Morgans]

"B4RT" > wrote

> I was taking the
> chopper from Key West to PA to get some work done last week. I was in a
> buttload of turbulence in the Carolina mountains and actually saw a 100+
> knot headwind component at 8000 feet. (the mountain was 6000 feet). T

You must have been there on an average day. On January 25, this year, they
had a wind gust of over 200 mph., on Grandfather Mountain. They don't know
how much more than 200, since the numbers stop at 200, but it was definitely
over 200! It moved a boulder in the parking lot, of about 3,000 pounds, as
I recall. Wow!

> The
> thing was yawing all over and certainly more bumpy than anything I've ever
> felt before. I never thought I was gonna hit my head though. I can imagine
> that ag-ops are a lot more threatening than 1500 agl straight n level.
>
> Morgans; Too funny. How did you know I needed to take my shoes off count
> past 10?

Just from knowing some fling wing pilots. Anyone that flies one of those
things, couldn't be too smart, thus using the toes to count! <g> Just
kidding!
--
Jim in NC

[Morgans]

"B4RT" > wrote

> Actually, I have to be able to count to 28 (the max gph burn) , but I'm
sure
> not
> gonna tell ya how I'm doing it.
>
> You guys are too funny/

20 is easy, then you add 8. Millimeters, that is! <BFG>
--
Jim in NC

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN]

Morgans wrote:
> You must have been there on an average day. On January 25, this year, they
> had a wind gust of over 200 mph., on Grandfather Mountain. They don't know
> how much more than 200, since the numbers stop at 200, but it was definitely
> over 200! It moved a boulder in the parking lot, of about 3,000 pounds, as
> I recall. Wow!
>


Just as an FYI, I read an article (in the Charlotte Observer) about a month or
so ago by this professor at ASU who stated the numbers were semi-bogus due to
the placement of the measuring instruments. I don't remember all the details
but the gist of it was that the placement was in a place where a natural venturi
existed due to a rather large and substantial wall. This accelerated the wind
and that's why the numbers were so impressive.

This is not to say the wind didn't blow like almighty hell that day; it did by
all accounts. Just not 200 mph worth.



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN

[Michael Ware]

"Thomas Borchert" > wrote in message
...
> Michelle,
>
> > Only way to go.....
> >
>
> ..if you want a headache as a free bonus. Jeeze, old habits sure die
> hard.
>
> --
> Thomas Borchert (EDDH)
>
I've worn my H10-60's on flights up to five hours, never had a problem with
that.