Sea Harrier vertically landing with unused missiles

[KDR]

Could Sea Harrier FRS1 safely land vertically with two unused Sea
Eagles attached in hot weather condition?

[Brian Sharrock]

"KDR" > wrote in message
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> Could Sea Harrier FRS1 safely land vertically with two unused Sea
> Eagles attached in hot weather condition?
>
Your question evokes the immediate response ... insufficient data.
Read the ODM ... (Operating Data Manuals)
The manual consisted of lots of charts and a 'data point' can be extracted
by 'entering' one chart with a condition (say weight) against 'day' (ISA + n
deg) then perhaps taking that datapoint onto another chart reading off
height (above mean sea level) which might give you an answer to your
question.
Of hand; - two minutes after take-off from Nairobi in mid-summer... ?
whereas after a two hour sortie from the Falklands in mid-winter ... ?
Context, as they say, is everything.

--

Brian

[Airyx]

Sea Eagles? Probably not.

Sea Harriers are known for having power difficulties in warm weather
and Sea Eagles are heavy.

There were a number of situations in Iraq where Sea Harriers were
unable to participate because of the weather which is why they are
being retired and replaced by RAF GR.xs.

[KDR]

Airyx wrote:
> Sea Eagles? Probably not.
>
> Sea Harriers are known for having power difficulties in warm weather
> and Sea Eagles are heavy.
>
> There were a number of situations in Iraq where Sea Harriers were
> unable to participate because of the weather which is why they are
> being retired and replaced by RAF GR.xs.

Yes Sea Harrier FA2 does have that problem but what I want to know
about is FRS1.

[KDR]

Brian Sharrock wrote:
> "KDR" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > Could Sea Harrier FRS1 safely land vertically with two unused Sea
> > Eagles attached in hot weather condition?
> >
> Your question evokes the immediate response ... insufficient data.
> Read the ODM ... (Operating Data Manuals)
> The manual consisted of lots of charts and a 'data point' can be extracted
> by 'entering' one chart with a condition (say weight) against 'day' (ISA + n
> deg) then perhaps taking that datapoint onto another chart reading off
> height (above mean sea level) which might give you an answer to your
> question.
> Of hand; - two minutes after take-off from Nairobi in mid-summer... ?
> whereas after a two hour sortie from the Falklands in mid-winter ... ?
> Context, as they say, is everything.
>
> --
>
> Brian

OK, could Sea Harrier FRS1 safely land vertically on the Invincible
class carrier in the South China Sea in mid-summer with two unused Sea
Eagles after a two-hour mission?

Was there any case the FRS1 had to jettison unused Sea Eagles before
landing on the carrier?

[Brian Sharrock]

"KDR" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Brian Sharrock wrote:
>> "KDR" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>> > Could Sea Harrier FRS1 safely land vertically with two unused Sea
>> > Eagles attached in hot weather condition?
>> >
>> Your question evokes the immediate response ... insufficient data.
>> Read the ODM ... (Operating Data Manuals)
>> The manual consisted of lots of charts and a 'data point' can be
>> extracted
>> by 'entering' one chart with a condition (say weight) against 'day' (ISA
>> + n
>> deg) then perhaps taking that datapoint onto another chart reading off
>> height (above mean sea level) which might give you an answer to your
>> question.
>> Of hand; - two minutes after take-off from Nairobi in mid-summer... ?
>> whereas after a two hour sortie from the Falklands in mid-winter ... ?
>> Context, as they say, is everything.
>>
>> --
>>
>> Brian
>
> OK, could Sea Harrier FRS1 safely land vertically on the Invincible
> class carrier in the South China Sea in mid-summer with two unused Sea
> Eagles after a two-hour mission?
>
> Was there any case the FRS1 had to jettison unused Sea Eagles before
> landing on the carrier?
>

Sorry, but you would have to read the ODM. If you don't have access to the
data you probably aren't authorised to have it. [its tough, but it's life]
..If you have a legitimate need-to-know; try posing the question to the
manufacturer's marketing department.

--

Brian

[george]

KDR wrote:
> Brian Sharrock wrote:
> > "KDR" > wrote in message
> > oups.com...
> > > Could Sea Harrier FRS1 safely land vertically with two unused Sea
> > > Eagles attached in hot weather condition?
> > >
> > Your question evokes the immediate response ... insufficient data.
> > Read the ODM ... (Operating Data Manuals)
> > The manual consisted of lots of charts and a 'data point' can be extracted
> > by 'entering' one chart with a condition (say weight) against 'day' (ISA + n
> > deg) then perhaps taking that datapoint onto another chart reading off
> > height (above mean sea level) which might give you an answer to your
> > question.
> > Of hand; - two minutes after take-off from Nairobi in mid-summer... ?
> > whereas after a two hour sortie from the Falklands in mid-winter ... ?
> > Context, as they say, is everything.
> >
> > --
> >
> > Brian
>
> OK, could Sea Harrier FRS1 safely land vertically on the Invincible
> class carrier in the South China Sea in mid-summer with two unused Sea
> Eagles after a two-hour mission?
>
> Was there any case the FRS1 had to jettison unused Sea Eagles before
> landing on the carrier?

I would imagine that after 2 hours the fuel load would be so reduced
that the weight of the missiles wouldn't come into the equation.
Dumping missiles would get one on jankers quicksmart

[Ian Stirling]

In rec.aviation.military KDR > wrote:
<snip>
> OK, could Sea Harrier FRS1 safely land vertically on the Invincible
> class carrier in the South China Sea in mid-summer with two unused Sea
> Eagles after a two-hour mission?
>
> Was there any case the FRS1 had to jettison unused Sea Eagles before
> landing on the carrier?

The trivial way would be to look up the weight of a Sea Eagle.
600Kg per.
So, 1200Kg.

The first site I found gave 2295Kg of fuel for a model of the harrier.

So, if it can land fully fueled, but without the eagles, then it can
land with about half and them.
Assuming no COG/... issues.