Closup of a russian jet

[pittss1c]

How have I missed this video until now
http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/1143551387/Air_Show_Accident

Now, that's close.


Mike

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>>>Now, that's close<<<

Wasn't *that* close... The ground still hit him.

IIRC that was an Su-27 back in 2002.

[Darkwing]

"pittss1c" > wrote in message
...
> How have I missed this video until now
> http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/1143551387/Air_Show_Accident
>
> Now, that's close.
>
>
> Mike

...and that is why in the US planes can't overfly the crowd.

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DW

[Peter Duniho]

"Darkwing" <theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> ..and that is why in the US planes can't overfly the crowd.

If I recall correctly, they not only are not permitted to overfly the crowd,
the maneuvers must be designed so that the momentum of the airplane is never
directed toward the crowd.

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...and that is why in the US planes can't overfly the crowd

.... Unless the show is on a military base. Some years ago I watched the
Thunderbirds on a base.
One of their routines featured a surprise - the "missing" plane came
roaring over the crowd from
behind - at low altitude and full afterburner. Quite impressive.

David Johnson

[Jonathan]

In military shows they still overfly the crowd. I have been to plenty of
recent Ft. Lauderdale air and see shows that at least once they overfly the
crowd at least once as they scream in from a missing man position.

-Jonathan

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> ..and that is why in the US planes can't overfly the crowd
>
> ... Unless the show is on a military base. Some years ago I watched the
> Thunderbirds on a base.
> One of their routines featured a surprise - the "missing" plane came
> roaring over the crowd from
> behind - at low altitude and full afterburner. Quite impressive.
>
> David Johnson
>

[Darkwing]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> ..and that is why in the US planes can't overfly the crowd
>
> ... Unless the show is on a military base. Some years ago I watched the
> Thunderbirds on a base.
> One of their routines featured a surprise - the "missing" plane came
> roaring over the crowd from
> behind - at low altitude and full afterburner. Quite impressive.
>
> David Johnson
>

A friend went to the UK for an F1 race, he said the airshow before the raced
was better than the race was. They didn't care where the crowd was they flew
anywhere!

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DW

[Jay Honeck]

> How have I missed this video until now
> http://www.nothingtoxic.com/media/1143551387/Air_Show_Accident
>
> Now, that's close.

You missed it because it just "hit" the internet. We actually had it
up before nothingtoxic -- but by only a few hours.

See it here:

http://alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/2006-3-26_Su_27UBCrashinLviv.wmv

See another view of this infamous crash here:

http://alexisparkinn.com/photogallery/Videos/sorensen_disaster.ram
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[David CL Francis]

On Tue, 28 Mar 2006 at 16:39:54 in message
>, Peter Duniho
> wrote:
>"Darkwing" <theducksmail"AT"yahoo.com> wrote in message
...
>> ..and that is why in the US planes can't overfly the crowd.
>
>If I recall correctly, they not only are not permitted to overfly the crowd,
>the maneuvers must be designed so that the momentum of the airplane is never
>directed toward the crowd.
>
Who is suggesting that the SU27 was permitted to overfly the crowd? It
seems likely that control was lost at a crucial moment due to a high
speed departure and that the aircraft changed direction and was then in
a position where recovery was almost impossible. It was apparently known
that the SU27 could depart suddenly following a compressor stall.

Ref for details: 'Zero Error Margin' (Airshow display flying analysed)
by Des Barker. Page 57 et al. He discusses the accident over several
pages.
--
David CL Francis

[Peter Duniho]

"David CL Francis" > wrote in message
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> Who is suggesting that the SU27 was permitted to overfly the crowd?

No one, as near as I can tell. The portion of the thread to which you
replied concerns only general statements about airshow rules in the US.

[David CL Francis]

On Tue, 4 Apr 2006 at 16:48:47 in message
>, Peter Duniho
> wrote:

>No one, as near as I can tell. The portion of the thread to which you
>replied concerns only general statements about airshow rules in the US.

Thanks. The text that struck me read something like; "That's why
aircraft in displays in the USA are not allowed to fly over the
spectators."

--
David CL Francis

[Peter Duniho]

"David CL Francis" > wrote in message
...
> Thanks. The text that struck me read something like; "That's why aircraft
> in displays in the USA are not allowed to fly over the spectators."

Well, I suppose there are a variety of ways to interpret that. However, I
simply read it as saying that aircraft accidents are the reason rules are in
place to minimize (not eliminate) their effect on innocent bystanders.

I have no idea what rules under which the aircraft in question was
operating, whether it was complying with those rules, and whether those
rules would have prevented bystander injuries, even if identical to those
used in the US.

I suppose one could infer from the statement you've quoted that the accident
happened as a result of an operation that would have been prohibited in the
US. But that seems like an awful lot to read into such a short sentence.
:)

Pete