Wingy is all grown up!

[jladd]

About Jordan Wirsz

Born into a modest and challenging home in Southern California, Jordan
Wirsz early on decided that he wanted to spread his wings and improve
his means - literally.

A true entrepreneurial spirit, Jordan started his first business when
he was 13 years old and moved on to running an aircraft brokerage, at
only age 14.

There are 1011 stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But
it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We
used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them
economical numbers. - Richard Feynman
A talented, 21-year old pilot, Jordan performed at air shows across the
country with a breathtaking performance in the most high performance
aerobatic airplane in the world today...The Edge 540. At age 22, Jordan
had outpaced most people his age; attested as a maverick, investor,
pilot and visionary, he explores financial opportunities on a daily
basis, leading his own company, Diamond Bay Investment Inc., as its
CEO.

Jordan's team of investment experts and research analysts search for
the best short-term, private-lending deals, employing their dedication
and cunning ability to identify profits.

Through Diamond Bay Investment's ability to consistently generate
double-digit returns, the young CEO has earned the title "Young Sir
Richard Branson", after the founder of the British business and
airline empire, Virgin.

And as if that wasn't enough, Jordan will be publishing his much
anticipated book in 2006.

[Jerry Springer]

You trying to makes some of us old timers/longtimers here puke??????

jladd wrote:
> About Jordan Wirsz
>
> Born into a modest and challenging home in Southern California, Jordan
> Wirsz early on decided that he wanted to spread his wings and improve
> his means - literally.
>
> A true entrepreneurial spirit, Jordan started his first business when
> he was 13 years old and moved on to running an aircraft brokerage, at
> only age 14.
>
> There are 1011 stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But
> it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We
> used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them
> economical numbers. - Richard Feynman
> A talented, 21-year old pilot, Jordan performed at air shows across the
> country with a breathtaking performance in the most high performance
> aerobatic airplane in the world today...The Edge 540. At age 22, Jordan
> had outpaced most people his age; attested as a maverick, investor,
> pilot and visionary, he explores financial opportunities on a daily
> basis, leading his own company, Diamond Bay Investment Inc., as its
> CEO.
>
> Jordan's team of investment experts and research analysts search for
> the best short-term, private-lending deals, employing their dedication
> and cunning ability to identify profits.
>
> Through Diamond Bay Investment's ability to consistently generate
> double-digit returns, the young CEO has earned the title "Young Sir
> Richard Branson", after the founder of the British business and
> airline empire, Virgin.
>
> And as if that wasn't enough, Jordan will be publishing his much
> anticipated book in 2006.
>

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article . com>, jladd
says...
>
>About Jordan Wirsz
>
>Born into a modest and challenging home in Southern California, Jordan
>Wirsz early on decided that he wanted to spread his wings and improve
>his means - literally.
>
>A true entrepreneurial spirit, Jordan started his first business when
>he was 13 years old and moved on to running an aircraft brokerage, at
>only age 14.
>
>There are 1011 stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But
>it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We
>used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them
>economical numbers. - Richard Feynman
>A talented, 21-year old pilot, Jordan performed at air shows across the
>country with a breathtaking performance in the most high performance
>aerobatic airplane in the world today...The Edge 540. At age 22, Jordan
>had outpaced most people his age; attested as a maverick, investor,
>pilot and visionary, he explores financial opportunities on a daily
>basis, leading his own company, Diamond Bay Investment Inc., as its
>CEO.
>
>Jordan's team of investment experts and research analysts search for
>the best short-term, private-lending deals, employing their dedication
>and cunning ability to identify profits.
>
>Through Diamond Bay Investment's ability to consistently generate
>double-digit returns, the young CEO has earned the title "Young Sir
>Richard Branson", after the founder of the British business and
>airline empire, Virgin.
>
>And as if that wasn't enough, Jordan will be publishing his much
>anticipated book in 2006.
>

So who cares? Unfortunately he's probably a bigger jerk then he was before.
I'm not impressed. Yawn. Maybe he can fly Rocket planes with his hero zoom.

Chuck S


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[BobR]

I would simply say...congratulations and well done. I would never
belittle anyone for succeeding provided they have done so honestly.

[J.Kahn]

Jerry Springer wrote:
> You trying to makes some of us old timers/longtimers here puke??????
>
> jladd wrote:
>
>> About Jordan Wirsz
>>
>> Born into a modest and challenging home in Southern California, Jordan
>> Wirsz early on decided that he wanted to spread his wings and improve
>> his means - literally.
>>
>> A true entrepreneurial spirit, Jordan started his first business when
>> he was 13 years old and moved on to running an aircraft brokerage, at
>> only age 14.
>>
>> There are 1011 stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But
>> it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We
>> used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them
>> economical numbers. - Richard Feynman
>> A talented, 21-year old pilot, Jordan performed at air shows across the
>> country with a breathtaking performance in the most high performance
>> aerobatic airplane in the world today...The Edge 540. At age 22, Jordan
>> had outpaced most people his age; attested as a maverick, investor,
>> pilot and visionary, he explores financial opportunities on a daily
>> basis, leading his own company, Diamond Bay Investment Inc., as its
>> CEO.
>>
>> Jordan's team of investment experts and research analysts search for
>> the best short-term, private-lending deals, employing their dedication
>> and cunning ability to identify profits.
>>
>> Through Diamond Bay Investment's ability to consistently generate
>> double-digit returns, the young CEO has earned the title "Young Sir
>> Richard Branson", after the founder of the British business and
>> airline empire, Virgin.
>>
>> And as if that wasn't enough, Jordan will be publishing his much
>> anticipated book in 2006.
>>

Always wondered what happened to him. I'm glad that kid's done well for
himself, but something tells me he's insufferable to be around, just too
much for most people..

[Cy Galley]

Hey, it isn't even April First!

"jladd" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> About Jordan Wirsz
>
> Born into a modest and challenging home in Southern California, Jordan
> Wirsz early on decided that he wanted to spread his wings and improve
> his means - literally.
>
> A true entrepreneurial spirit, Jordan started his first business when
> he was 13 years old and moved on to running an aircraft brokerage, at
> only age 14.
>
> There are 1011 stars in the galaxy. That used to be a huge number. But
> it's only a hundred billion. It's less than the national deficit! We
> used to call them astronomical numbers. Now we should call them
> economical numbers. - Richard Feynman
> A talented, 21-year old pilot, Jordan performed at air shows across the
> country with a breathtaking performance in the most high performance
> aerobatic airplane in the world today...The Edge 540. At age 22, Jordan
> had outpaced most people his age; attested as a maverick, investor,
> pilot and visionary, he explores financial opportunities on a daily
> basis, leading his own company, Diamond Bay Investment Inc., as its
> CEO.
>
> Jordan's team of investment experts and research analysts search for
> the best short-term, private-lending deals, employing their dedication
> and cunning ability to identify profits.
>
> Through Diamond Bay Investment's ability to consistently generate
> double-digit returns, the young CEO has earned the title "Young Sir
> Richard Branson", after the founder of the British business and
> airline empire, Virgin.
>
> And as if that wasn't enough, Jordan will be publishing his much
> anticipated book in 2006.
>

[Morgans]

"Jerry Springer" > wrote in message
. ..
> You trying to makes some of us old timers/longtimers here puke??????

Once again. proof that scum rises to the top of the pond. :-(
--
Jim in NC

[Richard Riley]

There was some research done at Louisiana State's business school into
hard working, intelligent, risk-taking business people. Eversole, I
think her name was. Maybe one day she'll profile Wingy. A very young
man without any formal education making much better than normal rates
of return. He's beating corporations with multi-million dollar
research groups and investment people that have lifetimes of
experience. It's incredible.

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article . com>, BobR says...
>
>I would simply say...congratulations and well done. I would never
>belittle anyone for succeeding provided they have done so honestly.
>

Your right Bob but I can't help but wonder what kind of person he is now.I
congratulate his success but I bet he's still a lousy person.Only now he's a
lousy person with money.IMHO

Chuck S


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[DB Rea]

On 28 Mar 2006 16:34:03 -0800, jladd wrote:

> About Jordan Wirsz
>snip<

This sounded like one of those too-good-to-be-true stories. I had some
free time, so did a little Google research. Among other things I have
found so far is that the address on the Diamond Bay Investments letterhead
appears to be an apartment complex in a residential area of Las Vegas. See
http://maps.google.com/maps?oi=map&q=6212+W+Desert+Inn+Road,+Las+Vegas,+NV
and use the hybrid view.
The N-number of the Extra pictured in this pdf,
http://www.agreatwaytoinvest.com/news/docs/04.pdf
returns as belonging to a Leith Brian of Ocala, FL, according to the FAA
database.
Take another look at the photo of the company personnel in the PDF article,
or on the website
http://diamond.icut.net/index.php
and then compare those faces to the ones at
http://www.agreatwaytoinvest.com/home.html
Any of those look familiar?
None of this stuff looks illegal to this layman, but it raises a whole
field of red flags.

[Richard Riley]

And with all those employees he's managed to remain as the sole
stockholder. He didn't sell of a portion for startup money, and he
hasn't given any to the employees in lieu of stock. With nothing but
the savings from a few months as a mortgage broker. That's really
incredible.

[Richard Riley]

Was to read "in lieu of salary." That'll teach me to post before the
morning cup o coffee.

You know, back in the last housing bubble - late 80's - I read about an
elegant little 2nd trust deed scam.

An extended family got together and pooled their money. They formed a
corporation that loaned one of the members enough to pay off his
morgage - basically, they refinanced it so the shell company owned the
first.

Then they found a sucker to put up a short term second on the house.
They stopped paying the first, but kept paying the second. The first
forclosed. Meanwhile, the money from the second had gone into the
pool, and was being used to pay off the first on the next house. They
went through half a dozen second lenders before word got out.

[BobR]

I had a golfing buddy that for years tried to interest me in joining
him and his dad in a mortage backed securities business. I looked into
it and just didn't like what I saw and didn't feel the risk was worth
leaving what I already had. You know, the old saying about the Bird in
the Hand deal. Over several years, we sort of lost touch with each
other. My last contact with them involved some consulting and
installation of a computer network which I had a very hard time getting
payment for. That set off red lights and I ended my contact with them.

I hadn't seen or heard of them for over 12 years. I knew the building
that they once occupied and had their business name on it had changed
names but I just assumed they and move onward and upward. Just before
we moved to Dallas, my wife happened to run into this friends wife and
had lunch with her. Boy oh boy did we get caught up on the past.
Seems that both my former friend and his dad had been caught doing
illegal trades and money laundering. They had both gone to jail and
the guys dad was still in jail doing 15-20 years. My friend had gotten
a 5-10 sentence and had served his time. WHAT A SHOCK (not really).

I do hope that Jordan is not into the same type of shell game they were
playing and that I won't read about him doing something similar in the
future. These deals dependent on an ever increasing influx of money to
keep them afloat. They can't last forever and someone always ends up
the last to put in when there is nothing to pull out.

[Richard Riley]

They can last forever, if the price of real estate keeps going up
forever. And it will - on average. The problem is that real estate
prices don't follow the smooth increase of a municipal bond or a T
bill. There are jumps, and plateaus, and from time to time, downturns.


Remember the last big housing downturn? An awful lot of people walked
away from properties that were upside down. The first trust deed
holder recovered something - more or less, depending on specifics. But
second trust deed holders lost it all.

I'm with you, Bob, I hope he's on the up-and-up. It's one of the
nicest websites I've come across. But this is a kid with a history of
(ahem) exageration, who hung out with Captain Zoom in his formative
years. And he wants people to trust him with their money. I look at
his pitch and I think "When something looks too good to be true - it
probably is."

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article . com>, Richard
Riley says...

>I'm with you, Bob, I hope he's on the up-and-up. It's one of the
>nicest websites I've come across. But this is a kid with a history of
>(ahem) exageration, who hung out with Captain Zoom in his formative
>years. And he wants people to trust him with their money. I look at
>his pitch and I think "When something looks too good to be true - it
>probably is."

The most telling thing for me is his history with zoom. I can almost understand
his being a zoomie during his first year or so on RAH.But for someone that is
being depicted as a young genius in finance to be so easily duped by zoom for so
long speaks volumes.When he would turn away from common sense and excuse zoom
for all he has done to people for the attention zoom gave him,tells me he lacks
the same compassion for people that zoom does.I wouldn't trust my money with
people like that.

The article I read was interesting but I'll wait for as Paul Harvey would say
"the rest of the story".

I'm off to Sun n Fun this AM see ya down there.The CGS booth is once again the
official RAH-14 gathering spot.A true zoom free zone.Remember if someone spots
zoom on the SnF grounds and lets me or security know where he is and zoom gets
caught.You will get a $100 finders fee:-)

See ya

Chuck S


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[Frank Beagle]

Hey Chuck......

I won't be there, but tell Vern and the rest of the gang I said WOOF!

Sure gonna miss that M/L tho....... btw..... that did really cure my
sore leg in LEX!

Have fun......

Frank "Woof" Beagle
Challenger Dealer EAA UFIE
Kankakee IL
http://www.geocities.com/frankbeagle
http://frankbeagle.blogspot.com
708-269-8057

> I'm off to Sun n Fun this AM see ya down there.The CGS booth is once again the
> official RAH-14 gathering spot.A true zoom free zone.Remember if someone spots
> zoom on the SnF grounds and lets me or security know where he is and zoom gets
> caught.You will get a $100 finders fee:-)
>
> See ya
>
> Chuck S
>
>
> --
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[Richard Riley]

ML doesn't actually cure any physical ailments. It just makes it so
you don't care about them anymore!

[Ron Wanttaja]

On 1 Apr 2006 07:05:09 -0800, "Richard Riley" > wrote:

>Muzzleloader doesn't actually cure any physical ailments.

I disagree. In Bob Urban's case, it cured "life". :-)

Ron Wanttaja

[BobR]

Keep us informed on how many of Zooms former advertisers get served
with lawsuits this year. It should make for some interesting reading.

[Stealth Pilot]

On Sat, 01 Apr 2006 08:21:05 -0800, Ron Wanttaja
> wrote:

>On 1 Apr 2006 07:05:09 -0800, "Richard Riley" > wrote:
>
>>Muzzleloader doesn't actually cure any physical ailments.
>
>I disagree. In Bob Urban's case, it cured "life". :-)
>
>Ron Wanttaja

is the old bugger no longer with us???
Stealth Pilot

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 13:00:45 +0800, Stealth Pilot > wrote:

>On Sat, 01 Apr 2006 08:21:05 -0800, Ron Wanttaja
> wrote:
>
>>On 1 Apr 2006 07:05:09 -0800, "Richard Riley" > wrote:
>>
>>>Muzzleloader doesn't actually cure any physical ailments.
>>
>>I disagree. In Bob Urban's case, it cured "life". :-)
>
>is the old bugger no longer with us???

Bob's back among the living. He imbibed a *bit* too much of it at the '98
Pinkneyville and spent most of one day deceased on a cot. Here's a picture:

http://www.ousterhout.net/fly-in/pv-98/516b012.jpg

Ron Wanttaja

[Stealth Pilot]

On Sat, 01 Apr 2006 23:41:57 -0800, Ron Wanttaja
> wrote:

>On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 13:00:45 +0800, Stealth Pilot > wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 01 Apr 2006 08:21:05 -0800, Ron Wanttaja
> wrote:
>>
>>>On 1 Apr 2006 07:05:09 -0800, "Richard Riley" > wrote:
>>>
>>>>Muzzleloader doesn't actually cure any physical ailments.
>>>
>>>I disagree. In Bob Urban's case, it cured "life". :-)
>>
>>is the old bugger no longer with us???
>
>Bob's back among the living. He imbibed a *bit* too much of it at the '98
>Pinkneyville and spent most of one day deceased on a cot. Here's a picture:
>
>http://www.ousterhout.net/fly-in/pv-98/516b012.jpg
>
>Ron Wanttaja

what! no daffodil !

(like a rectal thermometer only prettier :-) )

btw ron the stealth pilot's tailwind page is being moved to another
isp so your link will be broken at present. I'll give you an update
when I get the new one sorted.
Stealth Pilot

[Dan]

Ron Wanttaja wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Apr 2006 13:00:45 +0800, Stealth Pilot > wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 01 Apr 2006 08:21:05 -0800, Ron Wanttaja
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> On 1 Apr 2006 07:05:09 -0800, "Richard Riley" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> Muzzleloader doesn't actually cure any physical ailments.
>>> I disagree. In Bob Urban's case, it cured "life". :-)
>> is the old bugger no longer with us???
>
> Bob's back among the living. He imbibed a *bit* too much of it at the '98
> Pinkneyville and spent most of one day deceased on a cot. Here's a picture:
>
> http://www.ousterhout.net/fly-in/pv-98/516b012.jpg
>
> Ron Wanttaja
>

You guys are cruel, I love it :)

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Richard Riley]

For those that think housing prices are going to continue to
increase...

Northern Virginia Available Homes Inventory

March 1, 2005(left number) April 2, 2006 (right number)
Alexandria City 121 846
Arlington County 159 807
Fairfax City 26 90
Fairfax County 800 5,764
Falls Church City 6 46
Loudoun County 708 3,369
Manassas City 34 269
Manassas Park 18 125
Prince Will. Cty 673 3,708

Source: Virginiamls.com



A couple of years ago I bought a house. Conforming loan, 30% down, 15
year fixed. I got it at 4.625%. Or, i could have gone through the
company Wingie was working for and paid 6.5%. Needless to say, I
didn't use Wingie as my mortgage broker.

Here's what I don't understand. Wingie is promising his investors 12%.
Lenders are climbing over each other to re-fi stuff in the mid 6%
range. If I want to borrow money against real estate, under the
conditions Wingie has on his website (70% loan to value, no rural, no
construction loans, no rehab, etc) why would I go to him and pay 12%+?

[Flyingmonk]

I own a couple here in Sterling and Manassas and my sisters also own a
few in Asburn. We're stuck with a few ourselves and one is even
upside-down. Woes... me....

The Monk


Richard Riley wrote:
> For those that think housing prices are going to continue to
> increase...
>
> Northern Virginia Available Homes Inventory
>
> March 1, 2005(left number) April 2, 2006 (right number)
> Alexandria City 121 846
> Arlington County 159 807
> Fairfax City 26 90
> Fairfax County 800 5,764
> Falls Church City 6 46
> Loudoun County 708 3,369
> Manassas City 34 269
> Manassas Park 18 125
> Prince Will. Cty 673 3,708
>
> Source: Virginiamls.com
>
>
>
> A couple of years ago I bought a house. Conforming loan, 30% down, 15
> year fixed. I got it at 4.625%. Or, i could have gone through the
> company Wingie was working for and paid 6.5%. Needless to say, I
> didn't use Wingie as my mortgage broker.
>
> Here's what I don't understand. Wingie is promising his investors 12%.
> Lenders are climbing over each other to re-fi stuff in the mid 6%
> range. If I want to borrow money against real estate, under the
> conditions Wingie has on his website (70% loan to value, no rural, no
> construction loans, no rehab, etc) why would I go to him and pay 12%+?

[John Ammeter]

You would go to him because you're working as a dealer, valet,
dancer/stripper, etc and 75% of your income is in tips which you don't
100% report to the IRS. So, your income tax return "says" you only make
$25,000 a year and you want to buy a $250,000 house. No bank will loan
you that much money given your reported income.

But, Wingy will at around 14% to 15%.... you pay him for a couple years
and now have a record of timely payments to show a banks financial
officer. You've shown you can make the payments and the bank is now
happy to loan you the money you need to pay off Wingy's loan and get a
new loan at normal rates.

Wingy is laughing all the way to the bank since the worst thing you can
do to him is pay off his loan. If you default on the loan, he gets the
house for 70% of it's value. He'll have to pay roughly 10% of the value
in lawyer fees but it's still a win/win situation for Wingy.

Wingy is making his money from people that are cheating the government
so it's probably not so bad that he's "cheating" them with his loan
rates. They end up with a house and he ends up with the money. Las
Vegas was made for Wingy... lots of people trying to get rich off of
other poor souls/suckers... Definately a target rich environment for
anyone willing to take advantage of the situation.


John

Richard Riley wrote:

>
> Here's what I don't understand. Wingie is promising his investors 12%.
> Lenders are climbing over each other to re-fi stuff in the mid 6%
> range. If I want to borrow money against real estate, under the
> conditions Wingie has on his website (70% loan to value, no rural, no
> construction loans, no rehab, etc) why would I go to him and pay 12%+?
>

[Jonathan Lowe]

Hi Ron

> >Muzzleloader doesn't actually cure any physical ailments.
>
> I disagree. In Bob Urban's case, it cured "life". :-)
>

I was wondering why I hadn't seen any posts from Bob, are you being serious
when you suggest that Bob is dead, or does that grin after mean your joking.
If he really is dead I'm very sorry to hear that.
--
..
....
Cheers,
Jonathan Lowe
Printers Only


> Ron Wanttaja
>

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Tue, 4 Apr 2006 21:30:57 +0100, "Jonathan Lowe" > wrote:

>Hi Ron
>
>> >Muzzleloader doesn't actually cure any physical ailments.
>>
>> I disagree. In Bob Urban's case, it cured "life". :-)
>>
>
>I was wondering why I hadn't seen any posts from Bob, are you being serious
>when you suggest that Bob is dead, or does that grin after mean your joking.

See my earlier post responding to Stealth's similar question. Bob overindulged
in the muzzleloader and spent most of one day at Pinkneyville simulating being
dead. He's better now.

Ron Wanttaja

[John Ousterhout]

Ron Wanttaja wrote:

>> I was wondering why I hadn't seen any posts from Bob, are you being serious
>> when you suggest that Bob is dead, or does that grin after mean your joking.
>
> See my earlier post responding to Stealth's similar question. Bob overindulged
> in the muzzleloader

re. Muzzleloader. Overindulgence = drinking ANY amount.

> and spent most of one day at Pinkneyville simulating being
> dead. He's better now.

I've seen Bob recently.

He may be alive but he stating that "he's better now" is an opinion not
supported by factual evidence.


Pinckneyville Fly-In FAQ: http://www.ousterhout.net/pjy-faq.html

- John Ousterhout -

[- Barnyard BOb -]

>>, BobR says...
>>
>>I would simply say...congratulations and well done. I would never
>>belittle anyone for succeeding provided they have done so honestly.
>>
>
>Your right Bob but I can't help but wonder what kind of person he is now.I
>congratulate his success but I bet he's still a lousy person.Only now he's a
>lousy person with money.IMHO
>
>Chuck S

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

I'm NOT surprised that Wingy would be doing well financially today
given how he hustled adult r.a.h. folks into footing his flight
instruction expenses while he was nothing but a loud mouth teen punk.

There's a sucker born every minute. Nobody understood
that more fully than young Jordan many years ago, IMO.


- Barnyard BOb -

The more people I meet, the more I love
my dog.... and George Carlin humor.

[- Barnyard BOb -]

"Jonathan Lowe" wrote:

>> >Muzzleloader doesn't actually cure any physical ailments.
>>
>> I disagree. In Bob Urban's case, it cured "life". :-)
>>
>
>I was wondering why I hadn't seen any posts from Bob, are you being serious
>when you suggest that Bob is dead, or does that grin after mean your joking.

>If he really is dead I'm very sorry to hear that. <--------<<<<<
-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

News of my death is greatly exaggerated ! [plagiarized]

What the hell is this group becoming....
when anyone cares that I'm dead? ;-)


- Barnyard BOb -

All great men are dead.
I'm not feeling well lately

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"- Barnyard BOb -" > wrote in message
...

>
> News of my death is greatly exaggerated ! [plagiarized]
>
> What the hell is this group becoming....
> when anyone cares that I'm dead? ;-)
>
>

Well, we really don't care but those of us not interested in PSRU design had
nothing else to talk about.

[stol]

News of my death is greatly exaggerated ! [plagiarized]


What the hell is this group becoming....
when anyone cares that I'm dead? ;-)


- Barnyard BOb -


All great men are dead.
I'm not feeling well lately

////////////////////////////////////////////////////

No doubt.. This is the Original Barnyard Blob,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, Awaken
from a long nap.

[Richard Riley]

(sorry for not trimming the quote, Google doesn't seem to let me)

I called a couple of mortgage brokers in Las Vegas to ask them if it
made sense. I stipulated Wingies limits - 70% loan to value, no rural,
no construction loans, no rehab, etc. I also stipulated no
documentation of income and a 400 credit score. They said they could
do a 30 year fixed in the mid 7% range.

In the current environment, the only loan they'd demand 12% for would
be a second trust deed for someone in deep trouble - missed 1st
trustdeed payments, no job and no prospect for one, no cash on hand.
AND a terrific rate on the first trust deed that they don't want to
lose by refinancing the whole thing and getting cash out. The broker
would make his money on the points, the interest rate would pass
through to the investor.

Maybe there's a niche market for that kind of loan in Las Vegas - but
the people I talked to said they see that situation perhaps once a
year.

[Dan]

- Barnyard BOb - wrote:
>
>
> "Jonathan Lowe" wrote:
>
>>>> Muzzleloader doesn't actually cure any physical ailments.
>>> I disagree. In Bob Urban's case, it cured "life". :-)
>>>
>> I was wondering why I hadn't seen any posts from Bob, are you being serious
>> when you suggest that Bob is dead, or does that grin after mean your joking.
>
>> If he really is dead I'm very sorry to hear that. <--------<<<<<
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>
> News of my death is greatly exaggerated ! [plagiarized]
>
> What the hell is this group becoming....
> when anyone cares that I'm dead? ;-)
>
>
> - Barnyard BOb -
>
> All great men are dead.
> I'm not feeling well lately
>
>
>
If you are dead they gotta start talking nice about you?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Morgans]

"- Barnyard BOb -" > wrote

> I'm NOT surprised that Wingy would be doing well financially today
> given how he hustled adult r.a.h. folks into footing his flight
> instruction expenses while he was nothing but a loud mouth teen punk.
>
> There's a sucker born every minute. Nobody understood
> that more fully than young Jordan many years ago, IMO.

Barnyard BOb ! You stopped in, to slum a little bit? <g>

You hit the nail, right on the head, with your summation of Wingbrat. I
would walk to the other side of the street, to avoid meeting him.

Also, given that BWB nurtured him on his way to adulthood, adds another
layer to his personality, and IMHO, not necessarily a good one.
--
Jim in NC

[Morgans]

"- Barnyard BOb -" > wrote

> News of my death is greatly exaggerated ! [plagiarized]
>
> What the hell is this group becoming....
> when anyone cares that I'm dead? ;-)

Well, I was not that concerned. ;-) I have a feeling that you are way too
stubborn to croak, for a while, anyway. <g>
--
Jim in NC

[Modelflyer]

> >If he really is dead I'm very sorry to hear that. <--------<<<<<
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>
> News of my death is greatly exaggerated ! [plagiarized]
>

Well BOb, you well know how members of this group exaggerate.:-)

> What the hell is this group becoming....
> when anyone cares that I'm dead? ;-)

Were all getting soft in our old age.
--
..
..
Cheers,
Model Flyer
MS880B EI-BFR

>
>
> - Barnyard BOb -
>
> All great men are dead.
> I'm not feeling well lately
>
>
>

[- Barnyard BOb -]

>"- Barnyard BOb -" wrote:
>
>> I'm NOT surprised that Wingy would be doing well financially today
>> given how he hustled adult r.a.h. folks into footing his flight
>> instruction expenses while he was nothing but a loud mouth teen punk.
>>
>> There's a sucker born every minute. Nobody understood
>> that more fully than young Jordan many years ago, IMO.
>-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=


> Barnyard BOb ! You stopped in, to slum a little bit? <g>

You know I love this group....
Especially, when auto conversions are the HOT topic.

>You hit the nail, right on the head, with your summation of Wingbrat. I
>would walk to the other side of the street, to avoid meeting him.

The last time I saw Wingy was at SnF 2000.
He was very respectful.
Can you beat that?

>Also, given that BWB nurtured him on his way to adulthood, adds another
>layer to his personality, and IMHO, not necessarily a good one.

You know what, Jim?
You're a lot smarter than you sound! <bfg>


- Barnyard BOb -

The more people I meet, the more I love
my dawg... and George Carlin humor.

[Harry K]

Richard Riley wrote:
> (sorry for not trimming the quote, Google doesn't seem to let me)
>
> I called a couple of mortgage brokers in Las Vegas to ask them if it
> made sense. I stipulated Wingies limits - 70% loan to value, no rural,
> no construction loans, no rehab, etc. I also stipulated no
> documentation of income and a 400 credit score. They said they could
> do a 30 year fixed in the mid 7% range.
>
> In the current environment, the only loan they'd demand 12% for would
> be a second trust deed for someone in deep trouble - missed 1st
> trustdeed payments, no job and no prospect for one, no cash on hand.
> AND a terrific rate on the first trust deed that they don't want to
> lose by refinancing the whole thing and getting cash out. The broker
> would make his money on the points, the interest rate would pass
> through to the investor.
>
> Maybe there's a niche market for that kind of loan in Las Vegas - but
> the people I talked to said they see that situation perhaps once a
> year.

When posting from Google, click the "show options" then "reply"
buttons. If you use the instan "reply" you get what shows above, i.e.,
no quoted text and can't tell who you replied to.

Harry K

[Harry K]

Richard Riley wrote:
> (sorry for not trimming the quote, Google doesn't seem to let me)
>
> I called a couple of mortgage brokers in Las Vegas to ask them if it
> made sense. I stipulated Wingies limits - 70% loan to value, no rural,
> no construction loans, no rehab, etc. I also stipulated no
> documentation of income and a 400 credit score. They said they could
> do a 30 year fixed in the mid 7% range.
>
> In the current environment, the only loan they'd demand 12% for would
> be a second trust deed for someone in deep trouble - missed 1st
> trustdeed payments, no job and no prospect for one, no cash on hand.
> AND a terrific rate on the first trust deed that they don't want to
> lose by refinancing the whole thing and getting cash out. The broker
> would make his money on the points, the interest rate would pass
> through to the investor.
>
> Maybe there's a niche market for that kind of loan in Las Vegas - but
> the people I talked to said they see that situation perhaps once a
> year.

When posting from Google, click the "show options" then "reply"
buttons. If you use the instan "reply" you get what shows above, i.e.,
no quoted text and can't tell who you replied to.

Harry K

[Harry K]

Richard Riley wrote:
> (sorry for not trimming the quote, Google doesn't seem to let me)
>
> I called a couple of mortgage brokers in Las Vegas to ask them if it
> made sense. I stipulated Wingies limits - 70% loan to value, no rural,
> no construction loans, no rehab, etc. I also stipulated no
> documentation of income and a 400 credit score. They said they could
> do a 30 year fixed in the mid 7% range.
>
> In the current environment, the only loan they'd demand 12% for would
> be a second trust deed for someone in deep trouble - missed 1st
> trustdeed payments, no job and no prospect for one, no cash on hand.
> AND a terrific rate on the first trust deed that they don't want to
> lose by refinancing the whole thing and getting cash out. The broker
> would make his money on the points, the interest rate would pass
> through to the investor.
>
> Maybe there's a niche market for that kind of loan in Las Vegas - but
> the people I talked to said they see that situation perhaps once a
> year.

When posting from Google, click the "show options" then "reply"
buttons. If you use the instan "reply" you get what shows above, i.e.,
no quoted text and can't tell who you replied to.

Harry K

[Highflyer]

"Ron Wanttaja" > wrote in message
...
> On 1 Apr 2006 07:05:09 -0800, "Richard Riley" > wrote:
>
>>Muzzleloader doesn't actually cure any physical ailments.
>
> I disagree. In Bob Urban's case, it cured "life". :-)
>
> Ron Wanttaja
>

Yes, Ron. But it was only a temporary cure. After the funeral he sat up
and asked me if there was any BarBQue left!

Highflyer
Highflight Aviation Services
Pinckneyville Airport ( PJY )

Note: Pictures of the funeral are on the plaque for Tony. The flyin this
year is May 19, 20, and 21. Be there or be square!

[Ron Wanttaja]

On 6 Apr 2006 07:04:16 -0700, "stol" > wrote:

>News of my death is greatly exaggerated ! [plagiarized]
>
>
>What the hell is this group becoming....
>when anyone cares that I'm dead? ;-)

Well, geeze, Bob... don't know when to start the party, otherwise. :-)

Ron Wanttaja

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, - Barnyard BOb -
says...

>News of my death is greatly exaggerated ! [plagiarized]
>
>What the hell is this group becoming....
>when anyone cares that I'm dead? ;-)
>
>
>- Barnyard BOb -
>
>All great men are dead.
>I'm not feeling well lately

Hi Unka Bob
Do me a favor ,if ya die let me know so I can bring some muzzle loader to the
wake and we'll see if we can make you the 2nd AND 3rd guy to raise from the dead
LOL!! Good to hear from you.

Your favorite nefoo

Chuck S


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