Plan our camping trip!

[Jay Honeck]

Okay, so this year my son wants to do a flying father/son trip. (Every
summer I take each kid, just the two of us, somewhere. It's usually a
motorcycle camping trip, but my son tends to alternate between riding
and flying. Two years ago we flew into Gaston's Fly-In Resort down in
Arkansas, and had a great time fishing...)

So, where to go? It's got to have:

1. Camping on the field (or within walking distance.)
2. Something to do for a few days. Hiking, biking, canoeing, swimming,
water parks, roller coasters -- *something* to keep a 15-year-old boy
busy.
3. It can't be too far away, in case I've got to zip back for whatever
reason. 400 - 500 miles is probably the limit.

One thing he does NOT want to do is see another aviation museum. We've
fed him too much of that ice cream, since birth, and he's "museumed
out"...for now.

Canada is a place I've never flown before. Maybe heading north would
be fun, or maybe something along the shores of Lake Superior...?

So, any ideas/recommendations?
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Vaughn Simon]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Okay, so this year my son wants to do a flying father/son trip. (Every
> summer I take each kid, just the two of us, somewhere. It's usually a
> motorcycle camping trip, but my son tends to alternate between riding
> and flying. Two years ago we flew into Gaston's Fly-In Resort down in
> Arkansas, and had a great time fishing...)
>
> So, where to go?

Oshkosh?

[Bob Noel]

In article . com>,
"Jay Honeck" > wrote:

> So, any ideas/recommendations?

Marthas Vineyard, an island just south of Cape Cod (Massachusetts).

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

[Jim Burns]

I've considered flying up to Houghton then hopping a seaplane for delivery
to http://www.nps.gov/isro/

There may be an airport on the MN side that can get you over to the Island
via boat also.

Looks like an interesting island.

Jim

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Okay, so this year my son wants to do a flying father/son trip. (Every
> summer I take each kid, just the two of us, somewhere. It's usually a
> motorcycle camping trip, but my son tends to alternate between riding
> and flying. Two years ago we flew into Gaston's Fly-In Resort down in
> Arkansas, and had a great time fishing...)
>
> So, where to go? It's got to have:
>
> 1. Camping on the field (or within walking distance.)
> 2. Something to do for a few days. Hiking, biking, canoeing, swimming,
> water parks, roller coasters -- *something* to keep a 15-year-old boy
> busy.
> 3. It can't be too far away, in case I've got to zip back for whatever
> reason. 400 - 500 miles is probably the limit.
>
> One thing he does NOT want to do is see another aviation museum. We've
> fed him too much of that ice cream, since birth, and he's "museumed
> out"...for now.
>
> Canada is a place I've never flown before. Maybe heading north would
> be fun, or maybe something along the shores of Lake Superior...?
>
> So, any ideas/recommendations?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

[Morgans]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Okay, so this year my son wants to do a flying father/son trip. (Every
> summer I take each kid, just the two of us, somewhere. It's usually a
> motorcycle camping trip, but my son tends to alternate between riding
> and flying. Two years ago we flew into Gaston's Fly-In Resort down in
> Arkansas, and had a great time fishing...)
>
> So, where to go? It's got to have:
\
I have no idea about airports, how close to camping, or any other thing, but
Sandusky Ohio has one of the very best roller coaster type parks in the
world. They always have a new coaster that is rated among the world's best,
in height, speed, or popularity.

In addition, you can catch a ferry ride out to the Lake Erie Islands, mainly
South Bass Island. Come to think of it, there is a airport on South Bass,
and Middle Bass Island. On Middle Bass Island there used to be a winery
that had live music on the weekends in the summer, and winery tours. It was
named Lionz's Winery, IIRC. There should be camping on South Bass, I think.
There is a monument to go up in, to get a great view. They rent bikes
there. It has a nice little town on it. You might be able to rent boats in
Sandusky, or on the island.

Gotta run. Contact me on back channels, if you want.
--
Jim in NC

[Bob Noel]

In article . com>,
"Jay Honeck" > wrote:

> 3. It can't be too far away, in case I've got to zip back for whatever
> reason. 400 - 500 miles is probably the limit.

oops - if you really insist on such a short limit, then Marthas Vineyard
is out. It would probably take your slow airplane all day to make the
trip. :-)

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

[Eric Bartsch]

Sandusky is a great place to get to the Cedar Point amusement park. The
Sandusky airport (SKY) can provide shuttle service to the amusement
park. Be aware that the crowds can be large in the middle of the
Summer, but there is nowhere else with this many good roller coasters.

Cedar Point amusement park:
http://www.cedarpoint.com/

Sandusky airport:
http://www.airnav.com/airport/KSKY

Put in Bay airport:
http://www.putinbay.com/airport.htm

It is a very short flight out to the islands from Sandusky (probably 15
min in the air). It will be about 400nm from IOW to SKY assuming you
have to route around the South end of Chicago a bit.

Eric Bartsch
1959 Pilatus P-3 A-848
http://www.hometown.aol.com/bartscher/P3A848.html


Morgans wrote:
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > Okay, so this year my son wants to do a flying father/son trip. (Every
> > summer I take each kid, just the two of us, somewhere. It's usually a
> > motorcycle camping trip, but my son tends to alternate between riding
> > and flying. Two years ago we flew into Gaston's Fly-In Resort down in
> > Arkansas, and had a great time fishing...)
> >
> > So, where to go? It's got to have:
> \
> I have no idea about airports, how close to camping, or any other thing, but
> Sandusky Ohio has one of the very best roller coaster type parks in the
> world. They always have a new coaster that is rated among the world's best,
> in height, speed, or popularity.
>
> In addition, you can catch a ferry ride out to the Lake Erie Islands, mainly
> South Bass Island. Come to think of it, there is a airport on South Bass,
> and Middle Bass Island. On Middle Bass Island there used to be a winery
> that had live music on the weekends in the summer, and winery tours. It was
> named Lionz's Winery, IIRC. There should be camping on South Bass, I think.
> There is a monument to go up in, to get a great view. They rent bikes
> there. It has a nice little town on it. You might be able to rent boats in
> Sandusky, or on the island.
>
> Gotta run. Contact me on back channels, if you want.
> --
> Jim in NC

[john smith]

In article . com>,
"Weeks" > wrote:

> It might be too far, but Johnson Creek, Idaho is absolutely awesome.
> It's a 3000-ish foot grass strip tucked into a little mountain valley
> with excellent facilities and on-site caretakers. Some weekends there
> will be a dozen+ families there and someone always builds a big fire
> and invites everyone down for hangar flying. You also have hiking,
> biking (bring your own) and a great fly-in-only place to eat breakfast
> just a few minutes away. The town of Yellow Pine is just a few miles
> away and the campground has a vehicle you can use to get up there.
>
> Last summer a bride and groom showed up in a T6 and got married there
> while we were camping. That was the first time I'd seen a T6 make a
> low pass with tin cans dragging behind the rear bumper.

I was going to suggest somenthing along these lines. Stop by Colorado
and see Jer for mountain flying course, then continue on to the Idaho
backcountry airstrips. (don't they have an annual cleanup coming around
soon?)

re: Sandusky... neighboring Kelly's Island is state park with
campground. Go look at the glacial grooves worn into the exposed rock.

[Doug]

Take the Seaplane to Isle Royal National park and camp for a few days.
You will never forget it!

[Flyingmonk]

Haven't done it myself so can't suggest anything, but I have always
gone (driven) to OBX, NC and love it there.

Whatever you do decide to do, please do a write up, always enjoyed
reading them.

The Monk

[Jay Honeck]

> > So, where to go?
>
> Oshkosh?

Well, he's 15 years old -- and this will be his 16th OSH!

I think we've got that one well-covered...

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[john smith]

In article om>,
"Doug" > wrote:

> Take the Seaplane to Isle Royal National park and camp for a few days.
> You will never forget it!

Isle Royal is not for the novice camper/backpacker.
Care must be taken to filter and purify water to avoid contamination.
Quickly changing weather can also pose challenges this time of year.
Having the right gear and knowing how to use it can make the difference
between having a fun trip and simply surviving.

[nrp]

Maybe Madeline Island near Bayfield WI. If you do, stop at Shell Lake
(SSQ) where camping is allowed on the airport and that ornery airport
manager might find bicycles for you - and maybe even a car?

[Ross]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> Okay, so this year my son wants to do a flying father/son trip. (Every
> summer I take each kid, just the two of us, somewhere. It's usually a
> motorcycle camping trip, but my son tends to alternate between riding
> and flying. Two years ago we flew into Gaston's Fly-In Resort down in
> Arkansas, and had a great time fishing...)
>
> So, where to go? It's got to have:
>
> 1. Camping on the field (or within walking distance.)
> 2. Something to do for a few days. Hiking, biking, canoeing, swimming,
> water parks, roller coasters -- *something* to keep a 15-year-old boy
> busy.
> 3. It can't be too far away, in case I've got to zip back for whatever
> reason. 400 - 500 miles is probably the limit.
>
> One thing he does NOT want to do is see another aviation museum. We've
> fed him too much of that ice cream, since birth, and he's "museumed
> out"...for now.
>
> Canada is a place I've never flown before. Maybe heading north would
> be fun, or maybe something along the shores of Lake Superior...?
>
> So, any ideas/recommendations?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
I'll give a plug for Cedar Mills Marina (3T0) and AirNav has it at 534
nm. Cedar Mills (http://www.cedarmills.com/) has a 3000' east west
runway. They have duplexs on the runway that you can rent and a they are
right on Lake Texoma (http://www.laketexoma.com/)(89,000 acres). If you
would like to see how world class sail boats are built they are built on
the marina (http://www.cedarmills.com/valiant.htm). There is a resturant
within walking distance that over looks the marina. And if you wish you
can camp on the airport grounds. Showers are close to the airport.


--
Regards,

Ross
C-172F 180 hp
KSWI

[Jack Brown]

On 8 Apr 2006 05:50:47 -0700, "Jay Honeck" > wrote:

>Okay, so this year my son wants to do a flying father/son trip. (Every
>summer I take each kid, just the two of us, somewhere. It's usually a
>motorcycle camping trip, but my son tends to alternate between riding
>and flying. Two years ago we flew into Gaston's Fly-In Resort down in
>Arkansas, and had a great time fishing...)
>
>So, where to go? It's got to have:
>
>1. Camping on the field (or within walking distance.)
>2. Something to do for a few days. Hiking, biking, canoeing, swimming,
>water parks, roller coasters -- *something* to keep a 15-year-old boy
>busy.
>3. It can't be too far away, in case I've got to zip back for whatever
>reason. 400 - 500 miles is probably the limit.
>

>Canada is a place I've never flown before. Maybe heading north would
>be fun, or maybe something along the shores of Lake Superior...?
>
>So, any ideas/recommendations?

Jay,
Perhaps Beaver Island (MI)?, For an even better time, fly to Sault
Ste. Marie - either MI or Ontario. If MI, take a cab or bridge bus
across the river to Ontario, then take the train (variously called the
Algoma Central or Wisconsin Central) to the canyon or some other point
along the line and camp. Mile 71 (Spruce Lake) has cabins to rent -
very cheap.

ACR: http://www.agawacanyontourtrain.com/
Spruce Haven Lodge: http://www.sprucehavenlodge.netfirms.com/

have fun,
jb

[.Blueskies.]

"john smith" > wrote in message
...
> In article om>,
> "Doug" > wrote:
>
>> Take the Seaplane to Isle Royal National park and camp for a few days.
>> You will never forget it!
>
> Isle Royal is not for the novice camper/backpacker.
> Care must be taken to filter and purify water to avoid contamination.
> Quickly changing weather can also pose challenges this time of year.
> Having the right gear and knowing how to use it can make the difference
> between having a fun trip and simply surviving.


A little less radical than Isle Royal:
http://www.beaverbeacon.com/2004-08-August/Recreation_Resource_Project_Tract_2_Bonners_Bluff_ State_Beach.shtml

[Don Byrer]

Another recommendation for Cedar Point and the Islands...

>Sandusky is a great place to get to the Cedar Point amusement park. The
>Sandusky airport (SKY) can provide shuttle service to the amusement
>park. Be aware that the crowds can be large in the middle of the
>Summer, but there is nowhere else with this many good roller coasters.

SKY is a privately owned, professionally run small airport. They are
well used to dealing with visitors. Plan on a full day at Cedar
Point and possibly back again to the park in the evening. It's only a
few minute taxi ride.

Another choice PCW, Port Clinton, about 11nm west of Cedar Point.


>It is a very short flight out to the islands from Sandusky (probably 15
>min in the air).

Probably more like 15-20 mins eng start SKY to eng stop @
Put-in-bay, South Bass Is.:)

and Pelee Island Canada is within a few more minutes. FYI, if you
just want to overfly Pelee IS, (so you can say you went to
Canada)`call Cleveland Approach on 126.35. Most of Pelee IS is
actually in Cleveland's airspace.

BTW, lemme know if you get up this way before we get out your
way...I'll buy ya lunch at the diner at SKY or somethin'


--Don



Don Byrer
Commercial Pilot / CFI Student
Electronics Technician, RADAR/Data/Comm @ CLE
Amateur Radio KJ5KB

"I have slipped the surly bonds of earth; now if I can just land without bending the gear..."
"I know what it sounds like....when doves cry" (Bird Strike 8/29/05)

[JJS]

> I'll give a plug for Cedar Mills Marina (3T0) and AirNav has it at 534
> nm. Cedar Mills (http://www.cedarmills.com/) has a 3000' east west runway. They have duplexs on the runway that you
> can rent and a they are right on Lake Texoma (http://www.laketexoma.com/)(89,000 acres). If you would like to see
> how world class sail boats are built they are built on the marina (http://www.cedarmills.com/valiant.htm). There is
> a resturant within walking distance that over looks the marina. And if you wish you can camp on the airport
> grounds. Showers are close to the airport.
>
>
> --
> Regards,
>
> Ross
> C-172F 180 hp
> KSWI

You beat me to it Ross. I was going to suggest 3TO as well. The runway is grass. I believe you can take sailing
lessons at the marina and rent boats?

Joe Schneider
N8437R



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[Randy Aldous]

Jay,

Regarding the father/son trip....

How about Duluth, MN? Several airports to choose from, great hiking,
camping and whatnot along the North Shore. And as a bonus, they are
having the Duluth Airshow in July.

http://www.duluthairshow.com/2006/index.html
http://www.visitduluth.com/
http://www.exploreminnesota.com/

Randy

[Dick Meade]

"Ross" > wrote in message
news:GNYZf.4568$Q92.860@trnddc04...
>>
> I'll give a plug for Cedar Mills Marina (3T0) and AirNav has it at 534 nm.
> Cedar Mills (http://www.cedarmills.com/) has a 3000' east west runway.

Snip

And some of the best striper fishing around. There are a number of guides
who operate out of the marina. Take a cooler for the fish filets.

[Jay Honeck]

> Regarding the father/son trip....
>
> How about Duluth, MN? Several airports to choose from, great hiking,
> camping and whatnot along the North Shore. And as a bonus, they are
> having the Duluth Airshow in July.
>
> http://www.duluthairshow.com/2006/index.html

I love the Duluth area! And my son's never seen it...hmmmm...camp on
the shores of Lake Superior, and then check out the airshow...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Ross Richardson]

The certainly have a sailing school, but I am not sure about the boat
rental. You can "rent" fishing guides. I was just up there on Saturday.
Beautiful day, but no one was there. With the east west runway and the
runway sloping uphill to the west, general pattern is to land west and
take off east with the general prevailing south or north x-wind. I will
even use this pattern, accepting the up hill over the downwind takeoff
or landing. You have to judge what is acceptable to you. Do not use the
west landing late in the evening, the sun can be right in your eyes.
Direct sunlight and that reflected off the lake. You can loose the
runway real quick.

Where are you located?

Ross
KSWI

JJS wrote:

>>I'll give a plug for Cedar Mills Marina (3T0) and AirNav has it at 534
>>nm. Cedar Mills (http://www.cedarmills.com/) has a 3000' east west runway. They have duplexs on the runway that you
>>can rent and a they are right on Lake Texoma (http://www.laketexoma.com/)(89,000 acres). If you would like to see
>>how world class sail boats are built they are built on the marina (http://www.cedarmills.com/valiant.htm). There is
>>a resturant within walking distance that over looks the marina. And if you wish you can camp on the airport
>>grounds. Showers are close to the airport.
>>
>>
>>--
>>Regards,
>>
>>Ross
>>C-172F 180 hp
>>KSWI
>
>
> You beat me to it Ross. I was going to suggest 3TO as well. The runway is grass. I believe you can take sailing
> lessons at the marina and rent boats?
>
> Joe Schneider
> N8437R
>
>
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[Chris G.]

Jay,

Consider flying to Branson, MO. That's the "new Nashville". They also
have a very cool theme park called Silver Dollar City that I've been to
on multiple occasions. I really enjoyed it. I've not been there in
years (since before it became the "new Nashville"), but there was a lot
to do and that would be pretty close, too, I think.

Chris


Jay Honeck wrote:
> Okay, so this year my son wants to do a flying father/son trip. (Every
> summer I take each kid, just the two of us, somewhere. It's usually a
> motorcycle camping trip, but my son tends to alternate between riding
> and flying. Two years ago we flew into Gaston's Fly-In Resort down in
> Arkansas, and had a great time fishing...)
>
> So, where to go? It's got to have:
>
> 1. Camping on the field (or within walking distance.)
> 2. Something to do for a few days. Hiking, biking, canoeing, swimming,
> water parks, roller coasters -- *something* to keep a 15-year-old boy
> busy.
> 3. It can't be too far away, in case I've got to zip back for whatever
> reason. 400 - 500 miles is probably the limit.
>
> One thing he does NOT want to do is see another aviation museum. We've
> fed him too much of that ice cream, since birth, and he's "museumed
> out"...for now.
>
> Canada is a place I've never flown before. Maybe heading north would
> be fun, or maybe something along the shores of Lake Superior...?
>
> So, any ideas/recommendations?
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

[Montblack]

("Jay Honeck" wrote)
>> Regarding the father/son trip....
>> http://www.duluthairshow.com/2006/index.html

> I love the Duluth area! And my son's never seen it...hmmmm...camp on
> the shores of Lake Superior, and then check out the airshow...


Screw camping. Cabin on the lake!

1. We stay here: http://www.castlehaven.net/index.htm
38 miles up the shore from Duluth.

A. Cabins are ON the water.
B. It's close to Duluth (1 hr to the lift bridge)
C. It's close to three State Parks, including Split Rock Lighthouse.
D. It's close to the Superior Hiking Trail.
E. It's a little over an hour from Grand Marais

F. Cabins are on one of the last roads before Gooseberry Falls State Park
(GFSP was a HUGE C.C.C. project in the 30's)

G. Joe would love Palisade Head. You? Not so much.
(350' straight up from the water surface - Superior is 900' deep just off
shore. You can stand with your toes dangling over the edge, if you like)
<http://public.fotki.com/benzo007/vacations_and_trips/north_shore_trip_2005/palisade_head_cliff/?cmd=slideShowFlash>

2. Cirrus tour. Duluth Airport.

3. Duluth - Sky Harbor Airport (DYT) ....to (IOW) 305 nautical miles
http://www.airnav.com/airport/KDYT
Land out on Minnesota Point - near the bird sanctuary. Yikes!
(BTW, The Edmond Fitz left Duluth Harbor on the Wisconsin side, near DYT,
not under the Duluth lift bridge)

4. Land at ANE and drive up - we will NOT let you stay at Cirrus FBO
again!!! I'll ask around, maybe I'll get lucky. Honda or the minivan -
doesn't matter to us.

So, Duluth it is. There, that's settled. July 6-9? 8-11? <g>

Split Rock Lighthouse camping sites (on-the-lake) fill up quickly. They're
nice - 50 miles up the shore from Duluth. Gooseberry Falls camping sites are
"near" the lake, nice, but not as dramatic as Split Rock sites.

Cabin! Cabin! Cabin!

Let us know if we can be of assistance. There are 10,000 COOL things to do
up there. Highway 1 from the North Shore into Ely is about as good as it
gets for motoring.

Timberwolves?
http://www.wolf.org/wolves/index.asp

Soudan underground mine?
http://www.dnr.state.mn.us/state_parks/soudan_underground_mine/index.html

http://community.webshots.com/album/14792895PZDffIJoBO/0
Just outside of Duluth - click Slideshow. Jay Cook State Park
Kayak races are held here. St. Louis River empties into Duluth Harbor.

Kayak races on the St Louis River? We watched them one year. Fun.
http://www.umdrsop.org/kayaking/events/index.htm
They hold back the water in the reservoir for a few weeks. The river rises
(downstream) over six feet, for race day, once they release the water.
http://www.sws-wis.com/buttercup/


Ocean-going BIG ships? "Salties" or "Lakers"?
http://www.duluthshippingnews.com/
World's BEST site for getting lost in the links! Click away!

Yeah. Duluth is fun.


Montblack

[john smith]

> > I love the Duluth area! And my son's never seen it...hmmmm...camp on
> > the shores of Lake Superior, and then check out the airshow...

> Screw camping. Cabin on the lake!
> So, Duluth it is. There, that's settled. July 6-9? 8-11? <g>

Hmmmm... peak black fly and mosquito season, isn't it?
Nothing like getting your exercise swatting, swimming and running on the
beach to escape the clouds of swarming, hungry, bloodthirsty insects.
:-))

[Jay Honeck]

> Screw camping. Cabin on the lake!

Sounds good to me!

> 4. Land at ANE and drive up - we will NOT let you stay at Cirrus FBO
> again!!! I'll ask around, maybe I'll get lucky. Honda or the minivan -
> doesn't matter to us.

"Drive up"? What is this "drive" of which you speak? This is
supposed to be a FLYING father/son trip!

:-)

> So, Duluth it is. There, that's settled. July 6-9? 8-11? <g>

I like the idea -- let me bounce it off the boy...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination".

[Montblack]

("john smith" wrote)
> Hmmmm... peak black fly and mosquito season, isn't it?
> Nothing like getting your exercise swatting, swimming and running on the
> beach to escape the clouds of swarming, hungry, bloodthirsty insects.


Swimming on the beach? Superior? Ha! Jet ski in a FULL insulated body suit -
maybe.

I swam in Superior in June (40 miles up the shoreline from Duluth - we all
call it north, but it's really mostly east) Not swimming at the mouth of a
45-50 degree river, mind you, but out on the rocks (by our rented cabin)
wading in up to my neck.

Top 6 inches of surface water was ...44 F, at the most. Going down to 4-ft
or 5-ft or 6-ft and it was in the HIGH 30's (F). I could feel the 5 or 6
degree change in water temp, initially. Then I couldn't feel my toes, or my
fingers, or my....

I lasted 15 minutes - the last 9 were miserable.
(About 75-ft from shore, the lake depth is 800-ft deep where I was swimming)

http://www.glerl.noaa.gov/res/glcfs/swt2d-03.html

http://www.landbigfish.com/watertemps/superior.cfm

These temps don't change much come summer! :-)

Superior's big draw is having the Twin Cities at 97 degrees while you're up
on the North Shore in a sweatshirt - not much humidity and almost no
mosquitoes.

Blackflies and mosquitoes are NOT much of a problem hiking or lounging
around the shoreline vs. being inland a few miles. A few, not many though.


Montblack
http://www.acousticmusic.com/staines/bsdisco.htm
Bill Staines - The BlackFly Song
Album: Just Play One Tune More (1977) Now out on CD
Great LP record, album, CD ...whatever.