Transferiing ownership of a expirimental...can I do all maintenance?

[iliad]

If I purchase an expirimental, what are the rules in regards to the 51%
build. Obvioulsy
I am not the manufacturer...so is there anyway around this? Can I simply
pass an exam
then tak over all maintenance etc. on the plane?

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 03:16:46 GMT, "iliad" >
wrote:

>If I purchase an expirimental, what are the rules in regards to the 51%
>build. Obvioulsy
>I am not the manufacturer...so is there anyway around this? Can I simply
>pass an exam
>then tak over all maintenance etc. on the plane?

Anyone can do maintenance on an Experimental/Amateur-Built aircraft. You don't
have to be the builder, nor do you have to take special courses.

However, to perform the annual condition inspection, you must either possess a
Repairman Certificate for that airplane (only awarded to the builder) or have an
A&P license.

I do all the maintenance on my Fly Baby, which I bought in flying condition
about ten years ago. Once a year, I have an A&P examine the aircraft to verify
its airworthiness.

Ron Wanttaja

[J.Kahn]

Ron Wanttaja wrote:
> On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 03:16:46 GMT, "iliad" >
> wrote:
>
>
>>If I purchase an expirimental, what are the rules in regards to the 51%
>>build. Obvioulsy
>>I am not the manufacturer...so is there anyway around this? Can I simply
>>pass an exam
>>then tak over all maintenance etc. on the plane?
>
>
> Anyone can do maintenance on an Experimental/Amateur-Built aircraft. You don't
> have to be the builder, nor do you have to take special courses.
>
> However, to perform the annual condition inspection, you must either possess a
> Repairman Certificate for that airplane (only awarded to the builder) or have an
> A&P license.
>
> I do all the maintenance on my Fly Baby, which I bought in flying condition
> about ten years ago. Once a year, I have an A&P examine the aircraft to verify
> its airworthiness.
>
> Ron Wanttaja
>
I believe there's a provision for a non-builder owner to obtain a
Repairman's Certificate by taking a specialized course no?

I like the setup here in Canada. Whoever's name is on the CofR of an
amateur built signs off on all maint, mods and annuals regardless of who
built it.

John

[Morgans]

"J.Kahn" > wrote

> I believe there's a provision for a non-builder owner to obtain a
> Repairman's Certificate by taking a specialized course no?
>
> I like the setup here in Canada. Whoever's name is on the CofR of an
> amateur built signs off on all maint, mods and annuals regardless of who
> built it.

Only on a factory built LSA, not on an amateur built aircraft.
--
Jim in NC

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:13:54 -0400, "J.Kahn" > wrote:

>I believe there's a provision for a non-builder owner to obtain a
>Repairman's Certificate by taking a specialized course no?

No. The Repairman Certificate for an Experimental/Amateur-Built aircraft is a
one-time-only affair.

As Jim mentioned, the new Light Sport Category is different. An owner can take
a 16-hour course to earn the Light Sport/Inspection Repairman Certificate. They
can then perform inspections on any *Experimental* Light Sport Aircraft category
aircraft they own. More precisely, they must own the aircraft and the aircraft
must be of the same class (fixed wing, powered parachute, etc) as the course
they took.

The LS/I Repairman Certificate does not authorize the owner to perform the
annuals on production-type LSAs. However, the owner of such an LSA can easily
have the airplane transferred into the Experimental LSA category.

>I like the setup here in Canada. Whoever's name is on the CofR of an
>amateur built signs off on all maint, mods and annuals regardless of who
>built it.

I like your system better, too...I think the "Owner Maintenance" category you
folks have makes a lot of sense, too. Unfortunately, the FAA doesn't care what
I think. :-)

Ron Wanttaja

[Stealth Pilot]

On Mon, 10 Apr 2006 21:17:14 -0700, Ron Wanttaja
> wrote:


>
>>I like the setup here in Canada. Whoever's name is on the CofR of an
>>amateur built signs off on all maint, mods and annuals regardless of who
>>built it.
>
>I like your system better, too...I think the "Owner Maintenance" category you
>folks have makes a lot of sense, too. Unfortunately, the FAA doesn't care what
>I think. :-)
>
>Ron Wanttaja

and the australian authorities (I use that word generously) dont care
what we think either. In my book the canadians are the only country to
have competently regulated for privately owned aircraft.
Stealth Pilot

[Bob Martin]

Ron Wanttaja wrote:
> However, to perform the annual condition inspection, you must either possess a
> Repairman Certificate for that airplane (only awarded to the builder) or have an
> A&P license.

What really sucks is that only one person can qualify for that. If two
people build the airplane, they have to decide who gets the certificate.

I'm particularly upset by this, because I worked right alongside my dad
when we were building our RV, and I know how it's put together about as
well as he does. And then, I end up doing half the annual anyways.
Should I ever end up getting the airplane, I wouldn't be able to do the
annuals on it, and would either have to hire an A&P (ie, $$$$) or fly it
back to his place once a year and have him sign it off. Oh well, guess
I'll have to wait a few more years till I can afford to build one myself...

[pbc76049]

Theres nothing in the rules limiting the number of repairmans certs issued
per project.
ASK THE DAR to give you BOTH the ticked after you show him all the work YOU
BOTH
DID TOGETHER. It has to be fairly well documented however........
There is a correlation with how much work go's into the project and on
complex
laborious builds, partners can both meet the "implied" experience
requirements.
On an quickbuild RV's, I'm suprised you can even get a reparimans cert, the
skillsets, knowlege acquired seem to be pretty limited. If you shake the
box long
enough it falls out built..........


"Bob Martin" > wrote in message
...
> Ron Wanttaja wrote:
>> However, to perform the annual condition inspection, you must either
>> possess a
>> Repairman Certificate for that airplane (only awarded to the builder) or
>> have an
>> A&P license.
>
> What really sucks is that only one person can qualify for that. If two
> people build the airplane, they have to decide who gets the certificate.
>
> I'm particularly upset by this, because I worked right alongside my dad
> when we were building our RV, and I know how it's put together about as
> well as he does. And then, I end up doing half the annual anyways. Should
> I ever end up getting the airplane, I wouldn't be able to do the annuals
> on it, and would either have to hire an A&P (ie, $$$$) or fly it back to
> his place once a year and have him sign it off. Oh well, guess I'll have
> to wait a few more years till I can afford to build one myself...

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 15:33:44 -0500, "pbc76049"
> wrote:

>Theres nothing in the rules limiting the number of repairmans certs issued
>per project.

From Advisory Circular 65-23A, "CERTIFICATION OF REPAIRMEN (EXPERIMENTAL
AIRCRAFT BUILDERS)":

"6 ELIGIBILITY. An individual desiring to be certificated as a repairman is
required to:
.....
c. Be 18 years of age or older, and the primary builder of the aircraft.
For example, when a school, club, or partnership builds an aircraft, only one
individual will be considered for a repairman certificate for each aircraft
built...."

Seems pretty definite to me.

http://www.wanttaja.com/avlinks/AC65-23A.pdf

Ron Wanttaja