Hummel Aviation at Sun and Fun?

[flybynightkarmarepair]

Did anyone see them? Specifically, did anyone see the Ultracruiser
Plus there? I have some detail questions I'm dying to ask.

[cavelamb]

flybynightkarmarepair wrote:

> Did anyone see them? Specifically, did anyone see the Ultracruiser
> Plus there? I have some detail questions I'm dying to ask.
>

Haven't heard yet.

What kind of questions?

Inquiring minds, and all that...

Richard

[Montblack]

("cavelamb" wrote)
>> Did anyone see them? Specifically, did anyone see the Ultracruiser Plus
>> there? I have some detail questions I'm dying to ask.

> Haven't heard yet.
>
> What kind of questions?
>
> Inquiring minds, and all that...


I like the Hummels!
Ok, the Hummel UltraCruiser ....PLUS.
(Headroom is always "one" of my concerns - in cars, too. 6-2 ...tall torso)

For those unfamiliar with Morry and his design:

http://www.thayne.us/uc/contact.asp

http://www.thayne.us/uc/

http://www.flyhummel.com/ucarticle.htm

http://www.hummelbird.com/index.htm

http://www.hummelbird.com/morry.htm

http://www.flyhummel.com/ultra_cruiser_plus.htm
Thought I'd better throw this one in <vBg>

http://www.ultralightnews.com/sunfun2001/ultracruiser.htm

http://moonsdesigns.com/ultracruiser/

http://www.hummelengines.com/

http://www.flyhummel.com/catalog/index.html

<http://www.barnstormers.com/listing.php?mode=usersearch&user=billydee&PHPSESSID=10f9cfd7361072d8b8>


Montblack
http://www.greenskyadventures.com/acforsale/forsale.htm
2005 New Hummell Ultracruiser - Never flown.
It has a Used globel 4 stroke engine, basic insterments, oil pressure, oil
temp, air spd and altimiter. Also has brakes. Would like to swap it for a
single place or 2 place highwing of equal value. I am asking $7.000 us
dollars or best offer. (207) 498-3297 Allen Northern Maine
02/15/06

[DABEAR]

Is this particular aircraft considered an Ultra Light? If so, I think
I might have just found my Colorado project...

Also, what is the max size in the cockpit? They indicate 6 foot and
over 200 pounds...I'm curious how the cockpit could be configured.
Looking through the websites above...thanks in advance, all!

[DABEAR]

Is this particular aircraft considered an Ultra Light? If so, I think
I might have just found my Colorado project...

Also, what is the max size in the cockpit? They indicate 6 foot and
over 200 pounds...I'm curious how the cockpit could be configured.
Looking through the websites above...thanks in advance, all!

[Richard Riley]

DABEAR wrote:
> Is this particular aircraft considered an Ultra Light? If so, I think
> I might have just found my Colorado project...

It looks like the "UltraCruiser" was made to get by as an ultralight.
You MIGHT be able to call it an UL, but you'd have to grit your teeth.
It's right on the edge of being too fast and too heavy.

It's a 60-80 mph cruise, the UL limit is 55 kts MAX. The lightest
version's listed weight is *exactly* the maximum weight for an UL, the
stall speed is 25-28 MPH and the spec is 24 kts.

The other versions are clearly too heavy and fast.

[[email protected]]

Richard Riley wrote:
> DABEAR wrote:
> > Is this particular aircraft considered an Ultra Light? If so, I think
> > I might have just found my Colorado project...
>
> It looks like the "UltraCruiser" was made to get by as an ultralight.
> You MIGHT be able to call it an UL, but you'd have to grit your teeth.
> It's right on the edge of being too fast and too heavy.
>
> It's a 60-80 mph cruise, the UL limit is 55 kts MAX. The lightest
> version's listed weight is *exactly* the maximum weight for an UL, the
> stall speed is 25-28 MPH and the spec is 24 kts.
>
> The other versions are clearly too heavy and fast.

Too bad you're not in Canada. Even the original Hummel
Bird can be registered as an ultralight here. See :
http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/general/recavi/ultralight/ULTransitionStrategy/basic.htm#Definition

An excerpt:

2.1 Definition

A basic ultra-light aeroplane shall be defined as either:

a single-seat ultra-light aeroplane pursuant to Subpart 101, Part 1 of
the Canadian Aviation Regulations;


A two seat instructional ultra-light aeroplanes pursuant to Subpart
101, Part 1 of the Canadian Aviation Regulations; or


an aeroplane having no more than two seats, designed and manufactured
to have a maximum take-off weight of 544 kilograms and a stall speed in
the landing configuration (Vso) of 39 knots (45 mph) or less indicated
airspeed at the maximum take-off weight.

544 Kg = 1198 lb.

Pretty good, huh?

Dan

[ET]

wrote in
oups.com:

>
> Richard Riley wrote:
>> DABEAR wrote:
>> > Is this particular aircraft considered an Ultra Light? If so, I
>> > think I might have just found my Colorado project...
>>
>> It looks like the "UltraCruiser" was made to get by as an ultralight.
>> You MIGHT be able to call it an UL, but you'd have to grit your
>> teeth. It's right on the edge of being too fast and too heavy.
>>
>> It's a 60-80 mph cruise, the UL limit is 55 kts MAX. The lightest
>> version's listed weight is *exactly* the maximum weight for an UL,
>> the stall speed is 25-28 MPH and the spec is 24 kts.
>>
>> The other versions are clearly too heavy and fast.
>
> Too bad you're not in Canada. Even the original Hummel
> Bird can be registered as an ultralight here. See :
> http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/general/recavi/ultralight/ULTransiti
o
> nStrategy/basic.htm#Definition
>
> An excerpt:
>
> 2.1 Definition
>
> A basic ultra-light aeroplane shall be defined as either:
>
> a single-seat ultra-light aeroplane pursuant to Subpart 101, Part 1 of
> the Canadian Aviation Regulations;
>
>
> A two seat instructional ultra-light aeroplanes pursuant to Subpart
> 101, Part 1 of the Canadian Aviation Regulations; or
>
>
> an aeroplane having no more than two seats, designed and manufactured
> to have a maximum take-off weight of 544 kilograms and a stall speed
> in the landing configuration (Vso) of 39 knots (45 mph) or less
> indicated airspeed at the maximum take-off weight.
>
> 544 Kg = 1198 lb.
>
> Pretty good, huh?
>
> Dan
>
>
Yeah, that's pretty close to what we here call a Light Sport
Aircraft.... You still need a Pilots cert to fly one of them there
Canadian Ultralights right??


--
-- ET >:-)

"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

[cavelamb]

DABEAR wrote:
> Is this particular aircraft considered an Ultra Light? If so, I think
> I might have just found my Colorado project...
>
> Also, what is the max size in the cockpit? They indicate 6 foot and
> over 200 pounds...I'm curious how the cockpit could be configured.
> Looking through the websites above...thanks in advance, all!
>

You'd fit just fine.

But no, it's not likely going to qualify as a US UL.

Richard

[[email protected]]

>You still need a Pilots cert to fly one of them there
>Canadian Ultralights right??

An Ultralight Pilot Permit is required. Minimal training.
Probably too minimal, in my view.

Dan

[cavelamb]

wrote:

>>You still need a Pilots cert to fly one of them there
>>Canadian Ultralights right??
>
>
> An Ultralight Pilot Permit is required. Minimal training.
> Probably too minimal, in my view.
>
> Dan
>

Ultralight pilot permit?

Where in the world are you Dan?


Richard

[[email protected]]

>Ultralight pilot permit?

>Where in the world are you Dan?

Canada. See
http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/Regserv/Affairs/cars/Part4/401.htm#401_21

Excerpt from the Canadian Aviation Regulations:

DIVISION IV - PILOT PERMITS

Ultra-light Aeroplanes - Privileges

401.21 The holder of a pilot permit - ultra-light aeroplane may, under
day VFR,
(amended 2001/03/01; previous version)

(a) act as pilot-in-command of an ultra-light aeroplane with no other
person on board;
(amended 2005/12/01; previous version)

(b) act as pilot-in-command of an ultra-light aeroplane with one other
person on board if
(amended 2005/12/01; previous version)

(i) the holder's permit is endorsed with a passenger-carrying rating,

(ii) the ultra-light aeroplane has no restrictions against carrying
another person, and

(iii) the holder has completed training, including dual instruction and
solo flight, on the class of ultra-light aeroplane being operated;

(c) act as pilot-in-command of an ultra-light aeroplane with one other
person on board if the other person is a holder of a pilot licence or
permit, other than a student pilot permit, that allows them to act as
pilot-in-command of an ultra-light aeroplane; or
(amended 2005/12/01; no previous version)

(d) act as pilot-in-command of an aircraft for the sole purpose of the
holder's flight training or flight test if
(amended 2005/12/01; no previous version)

(i) in the case of flight training,

(A) it is conducted under the direction and supervision of a flight
instructor qualified in accordance with section 425.21 of the personnel
licensing standards, and

(B) no other person is carried on board, and

(ii) in the case of a flight test,

(A) it is conducted in accordance with section 401.15, and

(B) no passenger other than the person referred to in paragraph
401.15(1)(a) is carried on board.


Dan