Know this guy?

[Flyingmonk]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNjLA5GqRtQ&search=helicopter

Anyone know the name of this idiot? What happened to him? Is he still
flying on the taxpayer's dime?

Enquiring mines want to know.

[Robert M. Gary]

Gee, we train military helicopter pilots to fly low to avoid radar,
etc. The fact that one out of a thousand did a less than perfect job
amazes you.

-Robert

[AJ]

So, what about it?

[John]

Concur . . . it all goes back to train like you fight . . . fight like
you train. The results of emphasizing safety to point of diluting the
quality of training bit us hard in the butt in Vietnam when it came
time to tangle air to air with the other guys.

I am in the process of reading "Palace Cobra" by Ed Rasimus (dog
gone job keeps getting in the way of my reading). He makes that point
very clearly in the book as others have before him.

While the helo was training in nap of the earth flying rather than air
to air, the lesson is the same. Fly low now and take a lot less losses
when the balloon goes up. I help pay for the helo (and the training)
too and I hope that after the review board and some more, non punitive,
instruction, they get him back up in the saddle. Unless this guy has
demonstrated a trait of sloppy airmanship, we have already invested too
much in this aviator to just dump him.

Blue skies to all

John

[PosterBoy]

"Flyingmonk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNjLA5GqRtQ&search=helicopter
>
> Anyone know the name of this idiot? What happened to him? Is he still
> flying on the taxpayer's dime?
>
> Enquiring mines want to know.

Okay, but I hope you won't mine if I add a question?

You realize you are entering a mind field, don't you?

The "idiot" may have an agenda different from yours and mind.

Well, I guess it's just a question of mine over matter.

Cheers.

[Skywise]

"Flyingmonk" > wrote in news:1144851427.144754.256060
@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:

> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNjLA5GqRtQ&search=helicopter
>
> Anyone know the name of this idiot? What happened to him? Is he still
> flying on the taxpayer's dime?
>
> Enquiring mines want to know.

Yeah...so we can give him an "atta boy" for svaing the taxpayers
millions of dollars by saving the aircraft in a controlled landing.

This reminds me, ISTR reading a book many many years ago, I don't
remember the title, but it was about some guys experiences in 'Nam
who flew Hueys. He said sometimes they'd get to an LZ that was smaller
than expected and they'd use the massive blades to just chop their
way in, taking out 4 inch branches along the way.

Brian
--
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[Dan]

Skywise wrote:
> "Flyingmonk" > wrote in news:1144851427.144754.256060
> @g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNjLA5GqRtQ&search=helicopter
>>
>> Anyone know the name of this idiot? What happened to him? Is he still
>> flying on the taxpayer's dime?
>>
>> Enquiring mines want to know.
>
> Yeah...so we can give him an "atta boy" for svaing the taxpayers
> millions of dollars by saving the aircraft in a controlled landing.
>
> This reminds me, ISTR reading a book many many years ago, I don't
> remember the title, but it was about some guys experiences in 'Nam
> who flew Hueys. He said sometimes they'd get to an LZ that was smaller
> than expected and they'd use the massive blades to just chop their
> way in, taking out 4 inch branches along the way.
>
> Brian

And then remaining on the ground permanently.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Kyle Boatright]

"Skywise" > wrote in message
...
> "Flyingmonk" > wrote in news:1144851427.144754.256060
> @g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNjLA5GqRtQ&search=helicopter
>>
>> Anyone know the name of this idiot? What happened to him? Is he still
>> flying on the taxpayer's dime?
>>
>> Enquiring mines want to know.
>
> Yeah...so we can give him an "atta boy" for svaing the taxpayers
> millions of dollars by saving the aircraft in a controlled landing.
>
> This reminds me, ISTR reading a book many many years ago, I don't
> remember the title, but it was about some guys experiences in 'Nam
> who flew Hueys. He said sometimes they'd get to an LZ that was smaller
> than expected and they'd use the massive blades to just chop their
> way in, taking out 4 inch branches along the way.
>
> Brian
> --

You're probably thinking about the book "Chicken Hawk" by Robert Mason. A
good read about flying Huey slicks and gunship in Vietnam.

KB

[Jay Honeck]

> Anyone know the name of this idiot? What happened to him? Is he still
> flying on the taxpayer's dime?
>
> Enquiring mines want to know.

How does a mine is enquire? :-)

If you want to see more helicopter incidents, you may wish to peruse
our helicopter videos here:

http://alexisparkinn.com/aviation_videos.htm#HELICOPTERS

They don't call helicopters "20,000 parts flying in close formation"
for nothing...
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Skywise]

"Kyle Boatright" > wrote in news:I6adnQdki5c6JqDZRVn-
:

<Snipola>
> You're probably thinking about the book "Chicken Hawk" by Robert Mason. A
> good read about flying Huey slicks and gunship in Vietnam.
>
> KB

Could be. It's been at elast 20 years. But that part and the
part where he describes his first experience with at an
autorotation in training really stuck in my mind.

Brian
--
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[Skywise]

Dan > wrote in news:r_h%f.1115$iF3.13@dukeread01:

<Snipola>
> And then remaining on the ground permanently.
>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

According to the story, the UH1 had no problem with it.

But, I'll admit it's been a long time since I read the book
so I could be misremembering.

Brina
--
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[Matt Barrow]

"Kyle Boatright" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Skywise" > wrote in message
> ...
>>
>> This reminds me, ISTR reading a book many many years ago, I don't
>> remember the title, but it was about some guys experiences in 'Nam
>> who flew Hueys. He said sometimes they'd get to an LZ that was smaller
>> than expected and they'd use the massive blades to just chop their
>> way in, taking out 4 inch branches along the way.
>>
>> Brian
>> --
>
> You're probably thinking about the book "Chicken Hawk" by Robert Mason. A
> good read about flying Huey slicks and gunship in Vietnam.
>
Thanks...ordered one from Amazon!


--
Matt
---------------------
Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO

[Ed Rasimus]

On 12 Apr 2006 07:17:07 -0700, "Flyingmonk" > wrote:

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNjLA5GqRtQ&search=helicopter
>
>Anyone know the name of this idiot? What happened to him? Is he still
>flying on the taxpayer's dime?
>
>Enquiring mines want to know.

I checked with a group of military aviators and got this back from one
of the Army rotor-heads:

This happened in 1999 at Ft Campbell Ky and was the basis for the
decision of the flight evaluation board to remove the Instructor Pilot
from flight status.


Ed Rasimus
Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
"When Thunder Rolled"
www.thunderchief.org
www.thundertales.blogspot.com

[Kevin Brooks]

"Ed Rasimus" > wrote in message
...
> On 12 Apr 2006 07:17:07 -0700, "Flyingmonk" > wrote:
>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNjLA5GqRtQ&search=helicopter
>>
>>Anyone know the name of this idiot? What happened to him? Is he still
>>flying on the taxpayer's dime?
>>
>>Enquiring mines want to know.
>
> I checked with a group of military aviators and got this back from one
> of the Army rotor-heads:
>
> This happened in 1999 at Ft Campbell Ky and was the basis for the
> decision of the flight evaluation board to remove the Instructor Pilot
> from flight status.

Likely from a 160th SOAR aircraft, I'd guess (a two-pilot aircraft with an
IR/T nav system--not common in the regular force birds). Those special
operators have something of a history of high accident rates in training,
but then again that training is a bit more demanding than that required of
the "regular" aviators.

Brooks

>
>
> Ed Rasimus
> Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
> "When Thunder Rolled"
> www.thunderchief.org
> www.thundertales.blogspot.com

[Flyingmonk]

It was a typo.

[Thomas Schoene]

Kevin Brooks wrote:

> Likely from a 160th SOAR aircraft, I'd guess (a two-pilot aircraft with an
> IR/T nav system--not common in the regular force birds). Those special
> operators have something of a history of high accident rates in training,
> but then again that training is a bit more demanding than that required of
> the "regular" aviators.

What about Apaches?

--
Tom Schoene
To email me, replace "invalid" with "net"

[helomech]

Hell he probably is an O-7 by now.... lol


"Flyingmonk" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNjLA5GqRtQ&search=helicopter
>
> Anyone know the name of this idiot? What happened to him? Is he still
> flying on the taxpayer's dime?
>
> Enquiring mines want to know.
>

[Judah]

My guess is that had he kept his mouth shut and not announced the ease
by which his ego was able to outsmart his brain, the flight evaluation
report might have read something like:

"Pilot misjudged lateral clearance during flight, and blades struck a
tree. Pilot maintained control of the aircraft during emergency landing
and landed the helicopter safely and without injury.

Pilot will be scheduled for 4 hours remedial training and a peripheral
vision test prior to being returned to flight status."

Heck, it might not even have ****ed off the OP!

Loose lips sink ships as they say...


Ed Rasimus > wrote in
:

> On 12 Apr 2006 07:17:07 -0700, "Flyingmonk" > wrote:
>
>>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNjLA5GqRtQ&search=helicopter
>>
>>Anyone know the name of this idiot? What happened to him? Is he
>>still flying on the taxpayer's dime?
>>
>>Enquiring mines want to know.
>
> I checked with a group of military aviators and got this back from ne
> of the Army rotor-heads:
>
> This happened in 1999 at Ft Campbell Ky and was the basis for the
> decision of the flight evaluation board to remove the Instructor Pilt
> from flight status.
>
>
> Ed Rasimus
> Fighter Pilot (USAF-Ret)
> "When Thunder Rolled"
> www.thunderchief.org
> www.thundertales.blogspot.com

[Kevin Brooks]

"Thomas Schoene" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> Kevin Brooks wrote:
>
>> Likely from a 160th SOAR aircraft, I'd guess (a two-pilot aircraft with
>> an IR/T nav system--not common in the regular force birds). Those special
>> operators have something of a history of high accident rates in training,
>> but then again that training is a bit more demanding than that required
>> of the "regular" aviators.
>
> What about Apaches?

Don't have IR/T *nav* systems AFAIK; they do have such for weapons targeting
use, though. And while I think the gunner does have basic flight controls at
his seat, and is a rated pilot, I don't think it as likely that the pilot
would have to be telling him that he has"got it" and basically to keep his
cotton-pickin' mitts off the controls. I guess it is a possible, but the way
I heard the cross-talk in the video made it sound a bit less likely. I'd be
guessing something more along the lines of MH-60, but again, just a guess.

Brooks

>
> --
> Tom Schoene
> To email me, replace "invalid" with "net"

[Thomas Schoene]

Kevin Brooks wrote:
> "Thomas Schoene" > wrote in message
> ink.net...

>>What about Apaches?
>
>
> Don't have IR/T *nav* systems AFAIK; they do have such for weapons targeting
> use, though.

They sure do have an IR nav system. There are two separate sensor
turrets in the Apache's nose. The big one is the Target Acquisition and
Designation Sight (TADS) that you're thinking of, but there is a
smaller ball mounted above that called the Pilot Night Vision Sensor
(PNVS). The PNVS is a FLIR intended specifically for navigation rather
than targeting. The systems are nicely illustrated here:

http://members.aol.com/ah64info/tadspnvs.htm

And while I think the gunner does have basic flight controls at
> his seat, and is a rated pilot, I don't think it as likely that the pilot
> would have to be telling him that he has"got it" and basically to keep his
> cotton-pickin' mitts off the controls. I guess it is a possible, but the way
> I heard the cross-talk in the video made it sound a bit less likely. I'd be
> guessing something more along the lines of MH-60, but again, just a guess.

If Ed Rasimus' post is correct, the guy flying was an instructor pilot.
It's apparently not unusual for the IP to fly from the front
(co-pilot/gunner) seat in an Apache.

--
Tom Schoene
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[Roger]

On 12 Apr 2006 07:17:07 -0700, "Flyingmonk" > wrote:

>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNjLA5GqRtQ&search=helicopter
>
>Anyone know the name of this idiot? What happened to him? Is he still
>flying on the taxpayer's dime?
>
>Enquiring mines want to know.

I think you'll find this is not all that uncommon.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[[email protected]]

A Navy commander I knew once gave me a coffee mug with a John Paul
Jones quote on it: "I wish to have no Connection with any Ship that
does not Sail fast for I intend to go in harm's way." The way I see it,
these guys are training to go in harm's way, and I expect them to drive
fast, stay left, and take chances. Of course they're gonna pooch it
once in a while. I'm glad to see they got down safe.

[Morgans]

> wrote

> The way I see it,
> these guys are training to go in harm's way, and I expect them to drive
> fast, stay left, and take chances. Of course they're gonna pooch it
> once in a while. I'm glad to see they got down safe.

Yep. They say that using night vision stuff like that is very difficult,
due to reduced depth perception, for one. I can only imagine that is very
true.
--
Jim in NC

[cavelamb]

Morgans wrote:
>
> > wrote
>
>> The way I see it,
>> these guys are training to go in harm's way, and I expect them to drive
>> fast, stay left, and take chances. Of course they're gonna pooch it
>> once in a while. I'm glad to see they got down safe.
>
>
> Yep. They say that using night vision stuff like that is very
> difficult, due to reduced depth perception, for one. I can only imagine
> that is very true.


And extremely limited field of view.
Like looking thru a toilet paper tube.


Richard

ps: Hi Morg!

[Kevin Brooks]

"Thomas Schoene" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> Kevin Brooks wrote:
>> "Thomas Schoene" > wrote in message
>> ink.net...
>
>>>What about Apaches?
>>
>>
>> Don't have IR/T *nav* systems AFAIK; they do have such for weapons
>> targeting use, though.
>
> They sure do have an IR nav system. There are two separate sensor turrets
> in the Apache's nose. The big one is the Target Acquisition and
> Designation Sight (TADS) that you're thinking of, but there is a smaller
> ball mounted above that called the Pilot Night Vision Sensor (PNVS). The
> PNVS is a FLIR intended specifically for navigation rather than targeting.
> The systems are nicely illustrated here:

You are right. I went back and read up, and you have accurately described
the situation. My mistake.

>
> http://members.aol.com/ah64info/tadspnvs.htm
>
> And while I think the gunner does have basic flight controls at
>> his seat, and is a rated pilot, I don't think it as likely that the pilot
>> would have to be telling him that he has"got it" and basically to keep
>> his cotton-pickin' mitts off the controls. I guess it is a possible, but
>> the way I heard the cross-talk in the video made it sound a bit less
>> likely. I'd be guessing something more along the lines of MH-60, but
>> again, just a guess.
>
> If Ed Rasimus' post is correct, the guy flying was an instructor pilot.
> It's apparently not unusual for the IP to fly from the front
> (co-pilot/gunner) seat in an Apache.

Could be. In the end we are then left with two major possibilities; AH-64 or
one of the various 160th SOAR birds.

Brooks

>
> --
> Tom Schoene
> To email me, replace "invalid" with "net"