T? or F? Acetone In Fuel Said to Increase Mileage

[Montblack]

Has this one been around the block a few times?

It was an interesting read.

http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/
Acetone In Fuel Said to Increase Mileage
"Readily-available chemical added to gas tank in small proportion improves
the fuel's ability to vaporize completely by reducing the surface tension
that inhibits vaporization of some fuel droplets."

http://toyotaownersclub.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=44575
Chat room chat about acetone - mostly diesel cars.

This is for diesels mostly ...and mogas WITHOUT alcohol in it. A few
ounces/10 gallons is all you use.


Montblack

[M]

30% increase of gas mileage? That's some outrageous claims.

[Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe]

"Montblack" > wrote in message
...
> Has this one been around the block a few times?
>
> It was an interesting read.
>
> http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/
> Acetone In Fuel Said to Increase Mileage
> "Readily-available chemical added to gas tank in small proportion improves
> the fuel's ability to vaporize completely by reducing the surface tension
> that inhibits vaporization of some fuel droplets."
>
> http://toyotaownersclub.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=44575
> Chat room chat about acetone - mostly diesel cars.
>
> This is for diesels mostly ...and mogas WITHOUT alcohol in it. A few
> ounces/10 gallons is all you use.

In gasoline engines, unburned Hydrocarbons amount to about 1% of the total
fuel, and most of those come from crevices such as the gap around the piston
above the top ring, and around the spark plug - the compression and pressure
rise pushes the mixture into these spots where the flame front is quenched.
The next largest source is a thin layer that is quenched at the cylinder
walls from the heat loss to the metal.

I don't have the numbers handy for diesels, but I'm reasonably confidant
that the percentage isn't a lot different even if the sources are different
(over rich areas in the fuel spray generate soot due to inadequate air and
some of the mixture around the fringe of the spray is too lean to burn).

The fact of the matter is that the moon landings are fake, the alien
autopsies are real, and the thousands of engineers that work for all the
auto companies all around the world (that look at fuel sprays and
combustions with lasers, high speed cameras, optically transparent engines
of all types, computer modeling, etc.) are completely unaware of potential
fuel consumption improvements like this one.

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[JohnH]

Montblack wrote:
> Has this one been around the block a few times?

Regardless, I wouldn't put that or any other chemical in a fuel system not
specifically designed for it.

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Yep. I would not be too keen on putting very much ketones into any fuel
system that has any plastic or rubber parts anywhere in contact with
the fuel.

[Greg Farris]

In article >, TheSeaHawkatwowwayd0tcom
says...

>
>I don't have the numbers handy for diesels, but I'm reasonably confidant
>that the percentage isn't a lot different even if the sources are different
>(over rich areas in the fuel spray generate soot due to inadequate air and
>some of the mixture around the fringe of the spray is too lean to burn).
>
>The fact of the matter is that the moon landings are fake, the alien
>autopsies are real, and the thousands of engineers that work for all the
>auto companies all around the world (that look at fuel sprays and
>combustions with lasers, high speed cameras, optically transparent engines
>of all types, computer modeling, etc.) are completely unaware of potential
>fuel consumption improvements like this one.


That's right! ;-)
And advanced concepts like vapor pressure (volatility) are just way out of
their league!

Of course, the vapor pressure of the fuel varies considerably with ambient
temperature, and the designers must optimize all of the fuel delivery and
mixing parameters for an average. Then the fuel product delivered is varied
throughout the year in places where wide seasonal variations could otherwise
make conditions far from the design datum. Perhaps it could happen that someone
in one such place has been able to achieve a slight improvement with a home
brew additive - he'll have to weigh the savings against the increased
maintenance costs in early replacement of all polymerized parts of his fuel
delivery system.

GF

[Roger]

On Thu, 13 Apr 2006 22:05:52 -0400, "JohnH" >
wrote:

>Montblack wrote:
>> Has this one been around the block a few times?
>
>Regardless, I wouldn't put that or any other chemical in a fuel system not
>specifically designed for it.

But if you pu tit in your fiberglass airplane fule tanks they will
start getting larger, well at least between the ribs on the bottom.
OTOH you'll be able to see the ribs on top too.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Dan]

wrote:
> Yep. I would not be too keen on putting very much ketones into any fuel
> system that has any plastic or rubber parts anywhere in contact with
> the fuel.
>

Cue the Ketone Cops.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Denny]

Gee, if a little acetone will do this much good just think about what
putting MEK into the tank will do for your mileage...

denny, aka P.T. Barnum

[Roger]

On 14 Apr 2006 04:18:55 -0700, "Denny" > wrote:

>Gee, if a little acetone will do this much good just think about what
>putting MEK into the tank will do for your mileage...

Hey! I have a bunch of MEKP. It's *almost* the same thing except for a
few extra oxygen atoms. I'm afraid the IO-470N in the Deb has too
much compression so we might have to use Fat Albert with those lower
compression engines.<:-))

Kinda reminds me of a guy who ran up the engines on his Queen Air up
at Terry's. They have manually adjustable waste gates on the turbos.
Blew one of the jugs right off the engine. As I recall the case wasn't
left in that great a shape either.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com
>
>denny, aka P.T. Barnum

[Michelle]

Montblack wrote:
> Has this one been around the block a few times?
>
> It was an interesting read.
>
> http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/
> Acetone In Fuel Said to Increase Mileage
> "Readily-available chemical added to gas tank in small proportion
> improves the fuel's ability to vaporize completely by reducing the
> surface tension that inhibits vaporization of some fuel droplets."
>
> http://toyotaownersclub.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=44575
> Chat room chat about acetone - mostly diesel cars.
>
> This is for diesels mostly ...and mogas WITHOUT alcohol in it. A few
> ounces/10 gallons is all you use.
>
>
> Montblack
go ahead try it. see how long your seals last. Acetone is in the same
family as Methyl Ethyl Ketone (MEK).

Michelle

[john smith]

> go ahead try it. see how long your seals last. Acetone is in the same
> family as Methyl Ethyl Ketone (MEK).
> Michelle

So Michelle, are you out west, yet?
We want to hear Michelle's Montanna Maule Mountain Flying Reports!

[Harry K]

Capt. Geoffrey Thorpe wrote:
> "Montblack" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Has this one been around the block a few times?
> >
> > It was an interesting read.
> >
> > http://www.pureenergysystems.com/news/2005/03/17/6900069_Acetone/
> > Acetone In Fuel Said to Increase Mileage
> > "Readily-available chemical added to gas tank in small proportion improves
> > the fuel's ability to vaporize completely by reducing the surface tension
> > that inhibits vaporization of some fuel droplets."
> >
> > http://toyotaownersclub.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=44575
> > Chat room chat about acetone - mostly diesel cars.
> >
> > This is for diesels mostly ...and mogas WITHOUT alcohol in it. A few
> > ounces/10 gallons is all you use.
>
> In gasoline engines, unburned Hydrocarbons amount to about 1% of the total
> fuel, and most of those come from crevices such as the gap around the piston
> above the top ring, and around the spark plug - the compression and pressure
> rise pushes the mixture into these spots where the flame front is quenched.
> The next largest source is a thin layer that is quenched at the cylinder
> walls from the heat loss to the metal.
>
> I don't have the numbers handy for diesels, but I'm reasonably confidant
> that the percentage isn't a lot different even if the sources are different
> (over rich areas in the fuel spray generate soot due to inadequate air and
> some of the mixture around the fringe of the spray is too lean to burn).
>
> The fact of the matter is that the moon landings are fake, the alien
> autopsies are real, and the thousands of engineers that work for all the
> auto companies all around the world (that look at fuel sprays and
> combustions with lasers, high speed cameras, optically transparent engines
> of all types, computer modeling, etc.) are completely unaware of potential
> fuel consumption improvements like this one.
>
> --
> Geoff
> The Sea Hawk at Wow Way d0t Com
> remove spaces and make the obvious substitutions to reply by mail
> When immigration is outlawed, only outlaws will immigrate.

It does work or at least helps. I tried to use it after adding
magnets, the little carburetor mini turbos, water injection etc. but
when I found that every time I drove the car, the gas tank was
overflowing I had to quit.

Harry K

[Michelle]

john smith wrote:
>>go ahead try it. see how long your seals last. Acetone is in the same
>>family as Methyl Ethyl Ketone (MEK).
>>Michelle
>
>
> So Michelle, are you out west, yet?
> We want to hear Michelle's Montanna Maule Mountain Flying Reports!
John,
I am on my way west right now.
I officially started west Thursday. I am making several stops in Ohio.
Including the factory that built my travel trailer.
Next stop after that will be Jay and Mary's. Looks like that will be
Wednesday night or more.
Next planned stop Mount Rushmore. Maybe Devil's tower and then into Montana.
Then onto Missoula.
My airplane is at my old boss getting an annual. It will probably be
done in mid to late may....
Michelle

[john smith]

> I officially started west Thursday. I am making several stops in Ohio.
> Including the factory that built my travel trailer.

If you are near Columbus, OH, email me privately.
The BARNSTORMER is closed, perhaps we can sit down for coffee or
something.

eroodATrrohio.com

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