Google Earth Heathrow 9L approach

[news.east.cox.net]

I'm looking at the approach end of 9L at Heathrow on Google Earth.

Look right over the numbers, then look back a few hundred feet.

I guess they have different separation rules over there.

[Jay Beckman]

"news.east.cox.net" > wrote in message
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>
> I'm looking at the approach end of 9L at Heathrow on Google Earth.
>
> Look right over the numbers, then look back a few hundred feet.
>
> I guess they have different separation rules over there.

Look again...

It may be a shadow

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, "news.east.cox.net" > said:
>I'm looking at the approach end of 9L at Heathrow on Google Earth.
>
>Look right over the numbers, then look back a few hundred feet.
>
>I guess they have different separation rules over there.

Remember that the Google Earth image is stitched together from many photo
passes. There are numerous places where the same aircraft appears several
times.


--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
"Integration by parts -- a very powerful technique."
Teaching by intimidation -- also a very powerful technique.
-- Logan Shaw, quoting Chuck Odle, his Calculus teacher

[FLAV8R]

> I'm looking at the approach end of 9L at Heathrow on Google Earth.
>
> Look right over the numbers, then look back a few hundred feet.
>
> I guess they have different separation rules over there.
>
The second aircraft ,the one not over the numbers looks just like the one on
Google maps.
Take a look at the same location on www.maps.google.com and you'll see that
the second
aircraft is exactly over the same patch of farm as the other image on Google
earth.
As you'll notice between the two images, one does not have the plane over
the numbers.
The only explanation I can come up with is that it is two separate images
taken at different
times then pasted / blended together.

David
KORL

[Greg Farris]

More Trivia;
If you have to rent a car at Heathrow, make it Hertz.
Their rental booth is right at the touchdown zone of one runway (not sure
which) and if they are landing that way when you pick up the car you will have
just about the closest view of large aircraft touching down this side of
getting killed!

Maybe if you pay Hertz they'll let you work there!

GF

[Chris]

"news.east.cox.net" > wrote in message
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>
> I'm looking at the approach end of 9L at Heathrow on Google Earth.
>
> Look right over the numbers, then look back a few hundred feet.
>
> I guess they have different separation rules over there.

No way, separation is normal. What is different is that no plane gets a
clearance to land until the runway is clear. So there is only one clearance
to land operating at any one time.

If there is no clearance then its a go around. That's only going to happen
if some dork misses one of the high speed turnoffs.

Someone mentions the Hertz lot being a good place to see the landings. It is
when the wind is from the East and the landings are on 09L. You can smell
the rubber when they land.

However the prevailing winds are from the West most landings are on 27L
&27R. However the takes off on 27R are equally awesome and a few car alarms
often go off in the car park as a result of the noise and the vortex
whipping through.

They switch over the landing and take off runways about 3pm which can cause
a bit of fun.

[Morgans]

"gatt" > wrote

> Maybe. Could be a composite photo. It's funny that you mentioned it
> though because I just installed GE last week and noticed the same thing.
> The only reason I googled Heathrow is because we stayed in the hotel just
> north of the approach end of 9L filming Robot Wars one time. The whole
> hotel is soundproofed, but when the opposite runway is used, those 747s
> taking off rocked the whole hotel complex.

Speaking of looking around, I was doing just that, and at an airport
somewhat near London, came upon a big delta wing airplane, military,
obviously. What is that?
--
Jim in NC

[Morgans]

"news.east.cox.net" > wrote in message
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>
> I'm looking at the approach end of 9L at Heathrow on Google Earth.
>
> Look right over the numbers, then look back a few hundred feet.
>
> I guess they have different separation rules over there.

The satellite must take pictures, about 10 or 20 seconds apart. If you
look, you can follow that plane in several pictures, all of the way to the
terminal.
--
Jim in NC

[John Gaquin]

"news.east.cox.net" > wrote in message news:f2T%
>
> I'm looking at the approach end of 9L at Heathrow on Google Earth.
>
> Look right over the numbers, then look back a few hundred feet.

Actually, he's back about 1800 feet. Now look forward about 1800 feet from
the craft over the numbers. Now, look 1500 feet forward of that. Odd. Now
look at all the shadows. It appears that the plane over the numbers may be
a bit off the ground, while the two craft ahead on the runway are actually
on the ground, and the craft 1800 feet back on final is higher up still.

[John Gaquin]

"Chris" > wrote in message
>
> If there is no clearance then its a go around. That's only going to happen
> if some dork misses one of the high speed turnoffs.
>


Dork?

[donzaemon]

LOL,
one about to touch down , one on short final right behind it , and TWO on
the ground on the runway ,
I guess they're really busy.

[Greg Farris]

In article >, says...

>
>No way, separation is normal. What is different is that no plane gets a
>clearance to land until the runway is clear. So there is only one clearance
>to land operating at any one time.
>
>If there is no clearance then its a go around. That's only going to happen
>if some dork misses one of the high speed turnoffs.
>

That's true throughout Europe, to the best of my knowledge. You will never hear
"cleared to land" until the previous plane is completely clear of the runway.
You will often hear "expect late clearance" and it is not rare, at busy
airports, to have the "cleared to land" message obscured by the sound of the
mains touching!

Europeans are sometimes baffled when they fly in the US for the first time, and
they get cleared to land while the preceding plane is still on short final.

GF

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, "Morgans" > said:
>Speaking of looking around, I was doing just that, and at an airport
>somewhat near London, came upon a big delta wing airplane, military,
>obviously. What is that?

Got a lat/long?


--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
"If Bill Gates had a dime for every time a Windows box crashed...
..... Oh, wait a minute, he already does."

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, "Morgans" > said:
>"Paul Tomblin" > wrote in message
...
>> In a previous article, "Morgans" > said:
>>>Speaking of looking around, I was doing just that, and at an airport
>>>somewhat near London, came upon a big delta wing airplane, military,
>>>obviously. What is that?
>>
>> Got a lat/long?
>
>No, sorry. Go to Southend Airport, near London and look around. You can't
>miss it.

Well, at least this time you gave an airport name rather than "an airport
somewhat near London" which narrowed it down to about 40.

BTW: If you haven't already discovered this, there are Google Earth
Community layers you can turn on that give you markers pointing out
aircraft in the air and on the ground and all sorts of other nifty
features. One of those community marks points out a Vulcan bomber at
Southend, or rather at RAF Rochford, which appears to be the same place.

If you go to http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showthreaded.php/Number/219773
and click on the "Placemark" it will take you right there.

--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
"Integration by parts -- a very powerful technique."
Teaching by intimidation -- also a very powerful technique.
-- Logan Shaw, quoting Chuck Odle, his Calculus teacher

[Chris]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Paul Tomblin" > wrote in message
> ...
>> In a previous article, "Morgans" > said:
>>>Speaking of looking around, I was doing just that, and at an airport
>>>somewhat near London, came upon a big delta wing airplane, military,
>>>obviously. What is that?
>>
>> Got a lat/long?
>
> No, sorry. Go to Southend Airport, near London and look around. You
> can't miss it.
>
Its at Lat: 51:34:16N Lon: 0:42:16E

That is an AVRO Vulcan, a bomber that was part of the V bomber force that
carried the UK atomic bombs before the nuclear weaponry went into
submarines.

The Vulcan was the last of the line behind the Valiant and the Victor.

The only time the Vulcan got to drop any bombs in anger was during the war
with Argentina and they bombed Port Stanley.

You will also find another one parked at an airfield called Wellesbourne at
Lat: 52:11:40N Lon: 1:37:02W

[Morgans]

"Paul Tomblin" > wrote

> BTW: If you haven't already discovered this, there are Google Earth
> Community layers you can turn on that give you markers pointing out
> aircraft in the air and on the ground and all sorts of other nifty
> features. One of those community marks points out a Vulcan bomber at
> Southend, or rather at RAF Rochford, which appears to be the same place.
>
> If you go to http://bbs.keyhole.com/ubb/showthreaded.php/Number/219773
> and click on the "Placemark" it will take you right there.
>

I didn't know you could start the program to go to a specific placemark. As
a matter of fact, I did figure out how to placemark the Vulcan bomber, but
did not post the placemark, like you did.

So Vulcan it is. I should have known that1 ;-(
--
Jim in NC

[Morgans]

"Chris" > wrote

> The only time the Vulcan got to drop any bombs in anger was during the war
> with Argentina and they bombed Port Stanley.
>
> You will also find another one parked at an airfield called Wellesbourne
> at
> Lat: 52:11:40N Lon: 1:37:02W

It sure does seem like there are a lot of airports around London. I was
surprised to see that.

Some of them are obviously old WWII bases, with the typical "triangle"
runway layout.

I did notice that most of the airports have no or few single engine AC
outside. Either that means they aren't around, or they are all inside. I
wonder which it is.
--
Jim in NC

[Greg Farris]

In article >, says...

>That is an AVRO Vulcan, a bomber that was part of the V bomber force that
>carried the UK atomic bombs before the nuclear weaponry went into
>submarines.
>
>The Vulcan was the last of the line behind the Valiant and the Victor.
>
>The only time the Vulcan got to drop any bombs in anger was during the war
>with Argentina and they bombed Port Stanley.
>
>You will also find another one parked at an airfield called Wellesbourne at
>Lat: 52:11:40N Lon: 1:37:02W


There's one inside as well at the Imperial war Museum, at Duxford.

The AVRO VULCAN never saw much action, but it was in the right place at the
right time to influence the development of Concorde.

GF

[john smith]

In article >,
"donzaemon" > wrote:

> LOL,
> one about to touch down , one on short final right behind it , and TWO on
> the ground on the runway ,
> I guess they're really busy.

Oh... that's called Oshkosh Rules.

[john smith]

> BTW: If you haven't already discovered this, there are Google Earth
> Community layers you can turn on that give you markers pointing out
> aircraft in the air and on the ground and all sorts of other nifty
> features. One of those community marks points out a Vulcan bomber at
> Southend, or rather at RAF Rochford, which appears to be the same place.

There is also an AVRO Lancaster flying somewhere over the countryside.

[news.east.cox.net]

About 14 years ago I was renting at Europcar, I think it was just off 9L,
when the Concorde blasted off.

OMG it was great, everything shook, you could see the pilot smiling as he
hit the AB.

WAHOO!


"Greg Farris" > wrote in message
...
> More Trivia;
> If you have to rent a car at Heathrow, make it Hertz.
> Their rental booth is right at the touchdown zone of one runway (not sure
> which) and if they are landing that way when you pick up the car you will
> have
> just about the closest view of large aircraft touching down this side of
> getting killed!
>
> Maybe if you pay Hertz they'll let you work there!
>
> GF
>

[Chris]

I was an airforce brat living on a Vulcan base and when they scrambled the
whole earth shook.

The Google Earth pictures of LHR are a bit old as they show Concorde too.

"news.east.cox.net" > wrote in message
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>
> About 14 years ago I was renting at Europcar, I think it was just off 9L,
> when the Concorde blasted off.
>
> OMG it was great, everything shook, you could see the pilot smiling as he
> hit the AB.
>
> WAHOO!
>
>
> "Greg Farris" > wrote in message
> ...
>> More Trivia;
>> If you have to rent a car at Heathrow, make it Hertz.
>> Their rental booth is right at the touchdown zone of one runway (not sure
>> which) and if they are landing that way when you pick up the car you will
>> have
>> just about the closest view of large aircraft touching down this side of
>> getting killed!
>>
>> Maybe if you pay Hertz they'll let you work there!
>>
>> GF
>>
>
>

[Chris Curtis]

"john smith" > wrote

> There is also an AVRO Lancaster flying somewhere over the countryside.

Lat: 52:20:10.90N
Lon: 0:11:43.20W

Chris

[gatt]

"Chris Curtis" > wrote in message
...
> "john smith" > wrote
>
>> There is also an AVRO Lancaster flying somewhere over the countryside.
>
> Lat: 52:20:10.90N
> Lon: 0:11:43.20W

W O W! That plane should be named "Waldo." How the hell did you find
that?!

What's the airbase in central England with the U2 on the pad? I can't seem
to find it now. :>

-c