Tom Cruise's P-51 Mustang

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I saw his interview with Diane Sawyer last night. They showed video of
him flying his sweet P-51. It's a really nice one. It has "Kiss Me
Kate" painted on the nose. He had Diane Sawyer in the back seat. He
also had two other warbirds escorting and filming him. One of them was
a british warbird, I think a Sea Fury, and the other might have been
another p-51. I definitely like his taste in planes better than John
Travolta's.

[miket6065]

Yep, I have seen that. In fact the CAF had one. Normally there is a large
fuel tank there but if you tank it out this just enough room for a man.

[Steve Hix]

In article >,
Juergen Nieveler > wrote:

> wrote:
>
> > He had Diane Sawyer in the back seat.
>
> A P-51 with a BACK SEAT???

Fifteen TF-51D's were built during WW2, IIRC by North American.

Temco converted 15 P-51s to dual-seat, and Bolivia operated dual-control
Mustangs after WW2.

[Mark and Kim Smith]

wrote:

>I saw his interview with Diane Sawyer last night. They showed video of
>him flying his sweet P-51. It's a really nice one. It has "Kiss Me
>Kate" painted on the nose. He had Diane Sawyer in the back seat. He
>also had two other warbirds escorting and filming him. One of them was
>a british warbird, I think a Sea Fury, and the other might have been
>another p-51. I definitely like his taste in planes better than John
>Travolta's.
>
>
>
To bad they let insane people fly planes. I guess if you got enough
money............

[Kevin Brooks]

"Steve Hix" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Juergen Nieveler > wrote:
>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > He had Diane Sawyer in the back seat.
>>
>> A P-51 with a BACK SEAT???
>
> Fifteen TF-51D's were built during WW2, IIRC by North American.
>
> Temco converted 15 P-51s to dual-seat, and Bolivia operated dual-control
> Mustangs after WW2.

There have apparently been a lot of two-seat variants, with a number of them
not receiving any real modification work to speak of. The US Army used to
operate a couple (including at least one Cavalier mod), with a jump seat
behind the pilot to handle a photographer during their use as photo chase
planes for airborne tests.

Brooks

[JPH]

Juergen Nieveler wrote:
> wrote:
>
>
>>He had Diane Sawyer in the back seat.
>
>
> A P-51 with a BACK SEAT???
>
> Juergen Nieveler

I remember Col (later General) Reggie Urschler used to fly someone in
the back occasionally in his P-51 (Gunfighter). He flipped it on
landing one time, fortunately he and his passenger made it out OK.
There's a good article by someone that had a ride in the back of
"Gunfighter" at this web page;
http://www.c4ever.com/keystone/p-51_ride.htm

John

[rob]

"JPH" wrote

> I remember Col (later General) Reggie Urschler used to fly someone in the
> back occasionally in his P-51 (Gunfighter). He flipped it on landing one
> time, fortunately he and his passenger made it out OK.
> There's a good article by someone that had a ride in the back of
> "Gunfighter" at this web page;
> http://www.c4ever.com/keystone/p-51_ride.htm

There used to be one flying out of Auckland, New Zealand. $300 dollars for
a ride and some aerobatics over the harbour. It was sold back to the US
about 5 years ago after the trust operating it couldn't afford to keep it
flyable.

[cavelamb]

Mark and Kim Smith wrote:

> wrote:
>
>> I saw his interview with Diane Sawyer last night. They showed video of
>> him flying his sweet P-51. It's a really nice one. It has "Kiss Me
>> Kate" painted on the nose. He had Diane Sawyer in the back seat. He
>> also had two other warbirds escorting and filming him. One of them was
>> a british warbird, I think a Sea Fury, and the other might have been
>> another p-51. I definitely like his taste in planes better than John
>> Travolta's.
>>
>>
>>
> To bad they let insane people fly planes. I guess if you got enough
> money............


It's a troll...


Cruise is WAY to short to reach the pedals.



Richard

[The Frozen Canuck]

"Mark and Kim Smith" > wrote in message
...
> wrote:
>
>>I saw his interview with Diane Sawyer last night. They showed video of
>>him flying his sweet P-51. It's a really nice one. It has "Kiss Me
>>Kate" painted on the nose. He had Diane Sawyer in the back seat. He
>>also had two other warbirds escorting and filming him. One of them was
>>a british warbird, I think a Sea Fury, and the other might have been
>>another p-51. I definitely like his taste in planes better than John
>>Travolta's.
>>
>>
> To bad they let insane people fly planes. I guess if you got enough
> money............

What do you mean? Scientology? It's beyond me how anyone can belive in
that.

[[email protected]]

>What do you mean? Scientology?
>It's beyond me how anyone can belive in that.

It's no more ridiculous than Christianity, Judaism, or Islam as far as
I'm concerned.
What makes one religion's lies, myths, and superstitions superior to
another's?

[miket6065]

But the point is is that it is not a religion. It is closer to psychology.
You might as well say that a head doctor is a priest. Just read that
DIANETICS book. I got a third of a way through and threw it in the trash.

[John Carrier]

"Mark and Kim Smith" > wrote in message
...
> wrote:
>
>>I saw his interview with Diane Sawyer last night. They showed video of
>>him flying his sweet P-51. It's a really nice one. It has "Kiss Me
>>Kate" painted on the nose. He had Diane Sawyer in the back seat. He
>>also had two other warbirds escorting and filming him. One of them was
>>a british warbird, I think a Sea Fury, and the other might have been
>>another p-51. I definitely like his taste in planes better than John
>>Travolta's.
>>
>>
> To bad they let insane people fly planes. I guess if you got enough
> money............

Better than putting all that money up his nose, eh?

R / John

[Walt]

miket6065 wrote:
> But the point is is that it is not a religion. It is closer to psychology.
> You might as well say that a head doctor is a priest. Just read that
> DIANETICS book. I got a third of a way through and threw it in the trash.

Christianity is a "mystery" religion. The mystery being the death and
resurrection of Christ.

"Behold, I tell you a mystery. We will not all sleep, but we will all
be changed."

1 Corinthians 15:51

Islam is also a mystery religion in that Mohamed ascended into heaven,
the good followers can obtain Paradise, etc.


Religions like stoicism, or lots of others are really just ways to
live your life. I would guess Scientology is something like that. I am
not going to spare enough mouse clicks to even look it up.


Walt

[Tony Whitaker]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> It's no more ridiculous than Christianity, Judaism, or Islam as far as
> I'm concerned.
> What makes one religion's lies, myths, and superstitions superior to
> another's?

Most religions arose thousands of years ago, when the general ignorance the
human race can excuse the introduction of superstions and myths. Today, we
can read the writings from those ancient times and say to ourselves "I know
that story isn't true, but I see the issues people were grappling with back
then with their limited knowledge, resources, and understanding".
Scientology doesn't have that excuse. Scientology arose in the 20th century
when people, at least in the societies where it arose, were generally pretty
smart and educated. People today should be smart enough to know, for
example, that the scientologist's "e-meter" - which they use to measure
negative energy, or auras, or the presence of alien spirits or whatever, and
is probably a light meter - is a big load of doodoo. Today, if you're
gullible enough to let someone measure your negative energy with an
"e-meter", and you believe it worked, you've got some serious problems.
But, just to give SOME credit to scientology: from what I've read (not
much), their founder created the religion because he was horrified by some
of the abuses he knew about in the field of psychiatry. There were
apparently many early psychiatrists who viewed their patients as little more
than lab rats, and conducted inhuman experiments upon them. So, I think the
cult's founder was motivated by trying to help people by providing an
alternative to what he viewed (not without reason, either) as an evil branch
of medicine - psychiatry.
Never-the-less, somewhere along the line scientology veered off into whacko
land, with talk of alien spirits and such.

Why did I just spend 10 minutes thinking about this and responding to it on
RAM where it's completely off-topic? I guess just because I find the subject
very interesting, and there it was. Oh well - I'm going back to drinking my
beer and watching movies.

[Dan]

Tony Whitaker wrote:
Oh well - I'm going back to drinking my
> beer and watching movies.
>
>
I like documentaries like "History of The World Part One" and
"Blazing Saddles."

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Steve Hix]

In article >,
"miket6065" > wrote:

> But the point is is that it is not a religion. It is closer to psychology.
> You might as well say that a head doctor is a priest. Just read that
> DIANETICS book. I got a third of a way through and threw it in the trash.

I'd say you're significantly more persistent than most.

[frank]

Or a woman, in Sawyer's case. :)

[Tony Whitaker]

"Dan" > wrote in message
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> I like documentaries like "History of The World Part One" and "Blazing
> Saddles."

Excellent!!! Those movies go well with beer, too.

[Mark and Kim Smith]

The Frozen Canuck wrote:

>"Mark and Kim Smith" > wrote in message
...
>
>
wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I saw his interview with Diane Sawyer last night. They showed video of
>>>him flying his sweet P-51. It's a really nice one. It has "Kiss Me
>>>Kate" painted on the nose. He had Diane Sawyer in the back seat. He
>>>also had two other warbirds escorting and filming him. One of them was
>>>a british warbird, I think a Sea Fury, and the other might have been
>>>another p-51. I definitely like his taste in planes better than John
>>>Travolta's.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>To bad they let insane people fly planes. I guess if you got enough
>>money............
>>
>>
>
>What do you mean? Scientology? It's beyond me how anyone can belive in
>that.
>
>
>
>
Nope, I meant actors. It's not about story telling anymore. It's about
folks running around spending most of their day trying to pretend they
are someone else, where people throw them into a position of being a
role model based on their work, where in their personal lives they can't
keep it together! Jumping from one marriage into another, living above
the law because of their celebrity or money. Of course, it doesn't help
that the public supports and condones this kind of behavior. A majority
of these folks are completely unstable in their "normal" lives and just
don't know how to deal with the world! Let's put "Mav" in a P-51!

[Steven P. McNicoll]

"Steve Hix" > wrote in message
...
>
> Fifteen TF-51D's were built during WW2, IIRC by North American.
>

Converted during the war from P-51D-25-NT and designated TP-51D,
redesignated TF-51D in 1948.

[Bob Matthews]

The Frozen Canuck wrote:

> "Mark and Kim Smith" > wrote in message
> ...
>
wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I saw his interview with Diane Sawyer last night. They showed video of
>>>him flying his sweet P-51. It's a really nice one. It has "Kiss Me
>>>Kate" painted on the nose. He had Diane Sawyer in the back seat. He
>>>also had two other warbirds escorting and filming him. One of them was
>>>a british warbird, I think a Sea Fury, and the other might have been
>>>another p-51. I definitely like his taste in planes better than John
>>>Travolta's.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>To bad they let insane people fly planes. I guess if you got enough
>>money............
>
>
> What do you mean? Scientology? It's beyond me how anyone can belive in
> that.

Millions believe in neoconservativism. Which is crazier?

Cheers

==bob
>
>

[Bob Matthews]

Dan wrote:

> Tony Whitaker wrote:
> Oh well - I'm going back to drinking my
>
>> beer and watching movies.
>>
> I like documentaries like "History of The World Part One" and "Blazing
> Saddles."

Don't forget "The Green Berets" and "The Sands of Iwo Jima."

Cheers

==bob

>
> Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Gordon]

Stoicism makes sense to me, as does pre-Christianity (Zoroastrianism).
What I would really like to do is read an accurate Bible translation
from before the Europeans got to meddling with it. BAR periodically
prints short excerpts and the differences between 2nd century texts and
the KJV versions are fascinating and tell more about modern inhibitions
than anything else.

v/r
Gordon

[Roger]

On Sun, 16 Apr 2006 10:58:36 GMT, "miket6065"
> wrote:

>But the point is is that it is not a religion. It is closer to psychology.

Absolutely anything can become a religion depending on the person, or
group.

>You might as well say that a head doctor is a priest. Just read that
>DIANETICS book. I got a third of a way through and threw it in the trash.

I'll pass. <:-))

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

>

[olympusE1]

....before the -51, it was a Pitts S-2B, "Sweet Nick," named for his
then-wife, the lovely Ms. Kidman. He also has a G-V stashed at Santa
Monica, as well. Lord only knows who he named THAT after...

al staats

[MajorOz]

Tony Whitaker wrote:
>Scientology arose in the 20th century

[snip]

> their founder created the religion because he was horrified by some
> of the abuses he knew about in the field of psychiatry.

Scientology was created as the result of a "bar bet" between two
science fiction authors: L. Ron Hubbard and Robert A. Heinlein.
Elron said that he could invent a bull**** religious package and sell
it, based on voodoo science. RAH alluded that folks were gullible, but
not that gullible.

RAH wrote _Stranger in a Strange Land_ and Elron invented Scientology.
They high-fived each other for the rest of their lives.

cheers

oz

[Typhoon502]

In Cruisey's defense, I have to say that he's always shown himself to
be immensely generous to strangers. Dropping $5K into a donation jar
for a poor kid in a hospital or paying for a fancy dinner for kids on
the way to the prom (he did that in Memphis while filming The Firm way
back when), I'll accept the weirdness if it's tempered by good
intentions. And if he's keeping a P-51 in the air, that's definitely
good intentions.

[MajorOz]

Typhoon502 wrote:
> In Cruisey's defense, I have to say that he's always shown himself to
> be immensely generous to strangers. Dropping $5K into a donation jar
> for a poor kid in a hospital or paying for a fancy dinner for kids on
> the way to the prom (he did that in Memphis while filming The Firm way
> back when), I'll accept the weirdness if it's tempered by good
> intentions. And if he's keeping a P-51 in the air, that's definitely
> good intentions.

.... then, of course, there is Travolta, another Elronner.

....hmmm....something about pilots and pseudo-science........

.....nah... :)

cheers

oz

[Mark and Kim Smith]

Typhoon502 wrote:

>In Cruisey's defense, I have to say that he's always shown himself to
>be immensely generous to strangers. Dropping $5K into a donation jar
>for a poor kid in a hospital or paying for a fancy dinner for kids on
>the way to the prom (he did that in Memphis while filming The Firm way
>back when), I'll accept the weirdness if it's tempered by good
>intentions. And if he's keeping a P-51 in the air, that's definitely
>good intentions.
>
>
>

He at least has that. Didn't he once jump into a lake to save some
drowning kids? As opposed to Sean Penn who goes to New Orleans to
rescue folks with a leaking boat full of entourage. I still don't like
actors, though.............

[[email protected]]

Tony Whitaker wrote:
> > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> But, just to give SOME credit to scientology: from what I've read (not
> much), their founder created the religion because he was horrified by some
> of the abuses he knew about in the field of psychiatry. ...

Not exactly.

Hubbard and a publisher, Campbell, made a bar bet.

Hubbard won.

--

FF

[Paul Varga]

Military P-51's had an 85 gallon gas tank behind the pilot's seat. Since it
makes the CG kind of screwy for the average joy rider most if not all have
been taken out along with the ww 2 issue boat anchor radios. So actually
most of your civilian Mustangs probably have a jump seat of some sort. TF's
are actually dual control with a second cockpit & panel and longer canopy.
I am not a big fan of his pontification, but at least he keeps the
airplanes in fine fettle.

The guy who played Worf in Star Trek, I believe his name is Dorn, used to
have an F-86 Sabre. Apparently Clint Eastwood flies his own chopper and Gene
Hackman, Patrick Swayze & HArrison Ford are all celeb pilots of note.
Gary Numan (80's techno rocker, "In Cars" was his hit) in England and one of
the guys in Pink Floyd are rock stars who own warbirds in the UK.

Paul Varga
Catskill, NY

"Bob Matthews" > wrote in message
news:srz0g.928996$xm3.801625@attbi_s21...
> The Frozen Canuck wrote:
>
>> "Mark and Kim Smith" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I saw his interview with Diane Sawyer last night. They showed video of
>>>>him flying his sweet P-51. It's a really nice one. It has "Kiss Me
>>>>Kate" painted on the nose. He had Diane Sawyer in the back seat. He
>>>>also had two other warbirds escorting and filming him. One of them was
>>>>a british warbird, I think a Sea Fury, and the other might have been
>>>>another p-51. I definitely like his taste in planes better than John
>>>>Travolta's.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>To bad they let insane people fly planes. I guess if you got enough
>>>money............
>>
>>
>> What do you mean? Scientology? It's beyond me how anyone can belive in
>> that.
>
> Millions believe in neoconservativism. Which is crazier?
>
> Cheers
>
> ==bob
>>

[tby]

Just a few Spitfires are dual seat - Ordered I believe by
the Irish airforce as trainers (?)

Tynes

====================================
"miket6065" > wrote in message
et...
> Yep, I have seen that. In fact the CAF had one.
Normally there is a large
> fuel tank there but if you tank it out this just enough
room for a man.
>
>

[®i©ardo]

tby wrote:
> Just a few Spitfires are dual seat - Ordered I believe by
> the Irish airforce as trainers (?)
>
> Tynes
>
> ====================================
> "miket6065" > wrote in message
> et...
>> Yep, I have seen that. In fact the CAF had one.
> Normally there is a large
>> fuel tank there but if you tank it out this just enough
> room for a man.
>>
>
>
Delivery of the Spitfire Mk VIII began in April 1943, of which a small
number were converted to two seat trainer aircraft. This was a private
venture by Supermarine and was never accepted by the Royal Air Force,
however the Irish Air Corps were to later purchase the aircraft.

--
Moving things in still pictures!

[guy]

On 28 Feb, 12:18, ®i©ardo > wrote:
> tby wrote:
> > Just a few Spitfires are dual seat - Ordered I believe by
> > the Irish airforce as trainers (?)
>
> > Tynes
>
> > ====================================
> > "miket6065" > wrote in message
> et...
> >> Yep, I have seen that. In fact the CAF had one.
> > Normally there is a large
> >> fuel tank there but if you tank it out this just enough
> > room for a man.
>
> Delivery of the Spitfire Mk VIII began in April 1943, of which a small
> number were converted to two seat trainer aircraft. This was a private
> venture by Supermarine and was never accepted by the Royal Air Force,
> however the Irish Air Corps were to later purchase the aircraft.
>
> --
> Moving things in still pictures!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

One (an ex MkIX) was restored by the late Nick Grace and is on the UK
airshow circuit, it has been tweaked though, with the rear cockpit
lowered, looks much better.

guy

[tby]

Yes - Does his wife not fly it now, and with great ability?

Tynes
=======================================
"guy" > wrote in message
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On 28 Feb, 12:18, ®i©ardo > wrote:
> tby wrote:
> > Just a few Spitfires are dual seat - Ordered I believe
by
> > the Irish airforce as trainers (?)
>
> > Tynes
>
> > ====================================
> > "miket6065" > wrote in message
> et...
> >> Yep, I have seen that. In fact the CAF had one.
> > Normally there is a large
> >> fuel tank there but if you tank it out this just enough
> > room for a man.
>
> Delivery of the Spitfire Mk VIII began in April 1943, of
which a small
> number were converted to two seat trainer aircraft. This
was a private
> venture by Supermarine and was never accepted by the Royal
Air Force,
> however the Irish Air Corps were to later purchase the
aircraft.
>
> --
> Moving things in still pictures!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

One (an ex MkIX) was restored by the late Nick Grace and is
on the UK
airshow circuit, it has been tweaked though, with the rear
cockpit
lowered, looks much better.

guy

[Robert Sveinson]

"guy" > wrote in message
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On 28 Feb, 12:18, ®i©ardo > wrote:
> tby wrote:
> > Just a few Spitfires are dual seat - Ordered I believe by
> > the Irish airforce as trainers (?)
>
> > Tynes
>
> > ====================================
> > "miket6065" > wrote in message
> et...
> >> Yep, I have seen that. In fact the CAF had one.
> > Normally there is a large
> >> fuel tank there but if you tank it out this just enough
> > room for a man.
>
> Delivery of the Spitfire Mk VIII began in April 1943, of which a small
> number were converted to two seat trainer aircraft. This was a private
> venture by Supermarine and was never accepted by the Royal Air Force,
> however the Irish Air Corps were to later purchase the aircraft.
>
> --
> Moving things in still pictures!- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

One (an ex MkIX) was restored by the late Nick Grace and is on the UK
airshow circuit, it has been tweaked though, with the rear cockpit
lowered, looks much better.
http://www.ml407.co.uk/



guy

[Bill Shatzer]

tby wrote:

> Just a few Spitfires are dual seat - Ordered I believe by
> the Irish airforce as trainers (?)

Postwar conversions of Mk.IXs repurchased by Supermarine from the RAF.

I believe some served with the Argentine and Indian Air Forces as well
as with the Irish.

The Supermarine designation was Type 509.

There are also some cryptic references to some similar conversions being
done in the soviet union.

Cheers,