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[Shiver]

http://www.airscooter.com/pages/airscooter_main.htm

I Want One - I Want One - I Want One

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I Want One - I Want One - I Want One

[boB]

Shiver wrote:
> http://www.airscooter.com/pages/airscooter_main.htm
>
> I Want One - I Want One - I Want One
>
> http://www.airscooter.com/pages/airscooter_media_files.htm
>
> I Want One - I Want One - I Want One



Me too.... right up until I read this in the FAQ:

"Question: Does the AirScooter auto-rotate?

Answer: The AirScooter is designed for the recreational sport flyer and
as such does not auto-rotate. The AirScooter is designed for
recreational flying at low altitude where even traditional helicopters
have little benefit from auto-rotation. Design efforts have been done on
a ballistic emergency chute for the AirScooter."

--

boB
Wing 70

U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)

[JohnO]

boB wrote:
> Shiver wrote:
> > http://www.airscooter.com/pages/airscooter_main.htm
> >
> > I Want One - I Want One - I Want One
> >
> > http://www.airscooter.com/pages/airscooter_media_files.htm
> >
> > I Want One - I Want One - I Want One
>
>
>
> Me too.... right up until I read this in the FAQ:
>
> "Question: Does the AirScooter auto-rotate?
>
> Answer: The AirScooter is designed for the recreational sport flyer and
> as such does not auto-rotate. The AirScooter is designed for
> recreational flying at low altitude where even traditional helicopters
> have little benefit from auto-rotation. Design efforts have been done on
> a ballistic emergency chute for the AirScooter."
>

Yeah me too. That engine is a new design too so who knows how reliable
it will be as used in the air scooter? No cyclic, swash plates, tail
rotor etc is all great but if the engine quits, the belt breaks or
anything else fails, you are history in this thing.

[Stuart & Kathryn Fields]

Lawn Dart comes to mind with the designs that ignore the need for
autorotation. The claim that low altitude helicopters have little benefit
from autorotation is false. I've seen autos done from 40' agl and 40mph. I
asked Airscooter what was available to the pilot at 40 and 40 and got the
same kind of answer. If the Airscooter engine stops, the fixed pitch of the
blades will cause the rotor to slow quickly and you will be in instant ka
ka. I wouldn't think of one of these birds until I saw an engine out
demonstrated by their test pilot.

--
Stu Fields Baby Belle driver
www.vkss.com


"JohnO" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> boB wrote:
> > Shiver wrote:
> > > http://www.airscooter.com/pages/airscooter_main.htm
> > >
> > > I Want One - I Want One - I Want One
> > >
> > > http://www.airscooter.com/pages/airscooter_media_files.htm
> > >
> > > I Want One - I Want One - I Want One
> >
> >
> >
> > Me too.... right up until I read this in the FAQ:
> >
> > "Question: Does the AirScooter auto-rotate?
> >
> > Answer: The AirScooter is designed for the recreational sport flyer and
> > as such does not auto-rotate. The AirScooter is designed for
> > recreational flying at low altitude where even traditional helicopters
> > have little benefit from auto-rotation. Design efforts have been done on
> > a ballistic emergency chute for the AirScooter."
> >
>
> Yeah me too. That engine is a new design too so who knows how reliable
> it will be as used in the air scooter? No cyclic, swash plates, tail
> rotor etc is all great but if the engine quits, the belt breaks or
> anything else fails, you are history in this thing.
>

[Steve R]

Exactly what I was thinking. :-o

Notice they try to placate the ignorant by saying that they're working on a
"ballistic emergency chute." As Stu points out, if you're low enough to not
need autorotative capabilities, you're not going to be anywhere near high
enough for a ballistic emergency chute to do you any good either.

No thanks!
Steve R.


"Stuart & Kathryn Fields" > wrote in message
...
> Lawn Dart comes to mind with the designs that ignore the need for
> autorotation. The claim that low altitude helicopters have little benefit
> from autorotation is false. I've seen autos done from 40' agl and 40mph.
> I
> asked Airscooter what was available to the pilot at 40 and 40 and got the
> same kind of answer. If the Airscooter engine stops, the fixed pitch of
> the
> blades will cause the rotor to slow quickly and you will be in instant ka
> ka. I wouldn't think of one of these birds until I saw an engine out
> demonstrated by their test pilot.
>
> --
> Stu Fields Baby Belle driver
> www.vkss.com
>
>
> "JohnO" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>>
>> boB wrote:
>> > Shiver wrote:
>> > > http://www.airscooter.com/pages/airscooter_main.htm
>> > >
>> > > I Want One - I Want One - I Want One
>> > >
>> > > http://www.airscooter.com/pages/airscooter_media_files.htm
>> > >
>> > > I Want One - I Want One - I Want One
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Me too.... right up until I read this in the FAQ:
>> >
>> > "Question: Does the AirScooter auto-rotate?
>> >
>> > Answer: The AirScooter is designed for the recreational sport flyer and
>> > as such does not auto-rotate. The AirScooter is designed for
>> > recreational flying at low altitude where even traditional helicopters
>> > have little benefit from auto-rotation. Design efforts have been done
>> > on
>> > a ballistic emergency chute for the AirScooter."
>> >
>>
>> Yeah me too. That engine is a new design too so who knows how reliable
>> it will be as used in the air scooter? No cyclic, swash plates, tail
>> rotor etc is all great but if the engine quits, the belt breaks or
>> anything else fails, you are history in this thing.
>>
>
>

[Ron Snipes]

So would the chute be attached above the Jesus Nut? Otherwise if the blades
are turning, where would you connect the chute?


"Steve R" > wrote in message
...
> Exactly what I was thinking. :-o
>
> Notice they try to placate the ignorant by saying that they're working on
> a "ballistic emergency chute." As Stu points out, if you're low enough to
> not need autorotative capabilities, you're not going to be anywhere near
> high enough for a ballistic emergency chute to do you any good either.
>
> No thanks!
> Steve R.
>
>
> "Stuart & Kathryn Fields" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Lawn Dart comes to mind with the designs that ignore the need for
>> autorotation. The claim that low altitude helicopters have little
>> benefit
>> from autorotation is false. I've seen autos done from 40' agl and 40mph.
>> I
>> asked Airscooter what was available to the pilot at 40 and 40 and got the
>> same kind of answer. If the Airscooter engine stops, the fixed pitch of
>> the
>> blades will cause the rotor to slow quickly and you will be in instant ka
>> ka. I wouldn't think of one of these birds until I saw an engine out
>> demonstrated by their test pilot.
>>
>> --
>> Stu Fields Baby Belle driver
>> www.vkss.com
>>
>>
>> "JohnO" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>>>
>>> boB wrote:
>>> > Shiver wrote:
>>> > > http://www.airscooter.com/pages/airscooter_main.htm
>>> > >
>>> > > I Want One - I Want One - I Want One
>>> > >
>>> > > http://www.airscooter.com/pages/airscooter_media_files.htm
>>> > >
>>> > > I Want One - I Want One - I Want One
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Me too.... right up until I read this in the FAQ:
>>> >
>>> > "Question: Does the AirScooter auto-rotate?
>>> >
>>> > Answer: The AirScooter is designed for the recreational sport flyer
>>> > and
>>> > as such does not auto-rotate. The AirScooter is designed for
>>> > recreational flying at low altitude where even traditional helicopters
>>> > have little benefit from auto-rotation. Design efforts have been done
>>> > on
>>> > a ballistic emergency chute for the AirScooter."
>>> >
>>>
>>> Yeah me too. That engine is a new design too so who knows how reliable
>>> it will be as used in the air scooter? No cyclic, swash plates, tail
>>> rotor etc is all great but if the engine quits, the belt breaks or
>>> anything else fails, you are history in this thing.
>>>
>>
>>
>
>


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[JohnO]

Steve R wrote:
> Exactly what I was thinking. :-o
>
> Notice they try to placate the ignorant by saying that they're working on a
> "ballistic emergency chute." As Stu points out, if you're low enough to not
> need autorotative capabilities, you're not going to be anywhere near high
> enough for a ballistic emergency chute to do you any good either.
>
> No thanks!
> Steve R.
>
>
> "Stuart & Kathryn Fields" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Lawn Dart comes to mind with the designs that ignore the need for
> > autorotation. The claim that low altitude helicopters have little benefit
> > from autorotation is false. I've seen autos done from 40' agl and 40mph.
> > I
> > asked Airscooter what was available to the pilot at 40 and 40 and got the
> > same kind of answer. If the Airscooter engine stops, the fixed pitch of
> > the
> > blades will cause the rotor to slow quickly and you will be in instant ka
> > ka. I wouldn't think of one of these birds until I saw an engine out
> > demonstrated by their test pilot.
> >
> > --
> > Stu Fields Baby Belle driver
> > www.vkss.com
> >
> >
> > "JohnO" > wrote in message
> > oups.com...
> >>
> >> boB wrote:
> >> > Shiver wrote:
> >> > > http://www.airscooter.com/pages/airscooter_main.htm
> >> > >
> >> > > I Want One - I Want One - I Want One
> >> > >
> >> > > http://www.airscooter.com/pages/airscooter_media_files.htm
> >> > >
> >> > > I Want One - I Want One - I Want One
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Me too.... right up until I read this in the FAQ:
> >> >
> >> > "Question: Does the AirScooter auto-rotate?
> >> >
> >> > Answer: The AirScooter is designed for the recreational sport flyer and
> >> > as such does not auto-rotate. The AirScooter is designed for
> >> > recreational flying at low altitude where even traditional helicopters
> >> > have little benefit from auto-rotation. Design efforts have been done
> >> > on
> >> > a ballistic emergency chute for the AirScooter."
> >> >
> >>
> >> Yeah me too. That engine is a new design too so who knows how reliable
> >> it will be as used in the air scooter? No cyclic, swash plates, tail
> >> rotor etc is all great but if the engine quits, the belt breaks or
> >> anything else fails, you are history in this thing.
> >>
> >
> >

You know, ballistic chute and rotor craft really just don't go
together. I mean what's worse, being a lawn dart, or getting diced,
sliced and julienned? At least in the former there's only one piece
left to find and put in the casket!

[Steve R]

From what I remember reading in gyro circles, one group was looking at
mounting the chute on top of the rotor hub, attached via some kind of turn
buckle. "Might" be a good idea but no one was brave enough to try it out.

The only kit manufacturer that I know of that offers a ballistic chute on
their gyro is Air Command. It's been a while since I've looked at their web
site (www.aircommand.com) so I checked and a search showed that they offer a
ballistic chute option on their two place machines. The one I saw for real
was mounted below the gyro so if you ever set it off, you're going to be
coming to the ground, "inverted." :-o I'm not sure I like that idea but it
may be way better than the alternative. Again, I don't know if anyone's
tried this yet.

FWIW,
Fly Safe,
Steve R.


"Ron Snipes" > wrote in message
om...
> So would the chute be attached above the Jesus Nut? Otherwise if the
> blades are turning, where would you connect the chute?
>
>
> "Steve R" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Exactly what I was thinking. :-o
>>
>> Notice they try to placate the ignorant by saying that they're working on
>> a "ballistic emergency chute." As Stu points out, if you're low enough
>> to not need autorotative capabilities, you're not going to be anywhere
>> near high enough for a ballistic emergency chute to do you any good
>> either.
>>
>> No thanks!
>> Steve R.
>>
>>
>> "Stuart & Kathryn Fields" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Lawn Dart comes to mind with the designs that ignore the need for
>>> autorotation. The claim that low altitude helicopters have little
>>> benefit
>>> from autorotation is false. I've seen autos done from 40' agl and
>>> 40mph. I
>>> asked Airscooter what was available to the pilot at 40 and 40 and got
>>> the
>>> same kind of answer. If the Airscooter engine stops, the fixed pitch of
>>> the
>>> blades will cause the rotor to slow quickly and you will be in instant
>>> ka
>>> ka. I wouldn't think of one of these birds until I saw an engine out
>>> demonstrated by their test pilot.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Stu Fields Baby Belle driver
>>> www.vkss.com
>>>
>>>
>>> "JohnO" > wrote in message
>>> oups.com...
>>>>
>>>> boB wrote:
>>>> > Shiver wrote:
>>>> > > http://www.airscooter.com/pages/airscooter_main.htm
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I Want One - I Want One - I Want One
>>>> > >
>>>> > > http://www.airscooter.com/pages/airscooter_media_files.htm
>>>> > >
>>>> > > I Want One - I Want One - I Want One
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Me too.... right up until I read this in the FAQ:
>>>> >
>>>> > "Question: Does the AirScooter auto-rotate?
>>>> >
>>>> > Answer: The AirScooter is designed for the recreational sport flyer
>>>> > and
>>>> > as such does not auto-rotate. The AirScooter is designed for
>>>> > recreational flying at low altitude where even traditional
>>>> > helicopters
>>>> > have little benefit from auto-rotation. Design efforts have been done
>>>> > on
>>>> > a ballistic emergency chute for the AirScooter."
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Yeah me too. That engine is a new design too so who knows how reliable
>>>> it will be as used in the air scooter? No cyclic, swash plates, tail
>>>> rotor etc is all great but if the engine quits, the belt breaks or
>>>> anything else fails, you are history in this thing.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> *** Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com ***

[Kevin O'Brien]

On 2006-04-19 00:06:18 -0400, "Steve R" > said:

> From what I remember reading in gyro circles, one group was looking at
> mounting the chute on top of the rotor hub, attached via some kind of
> turn buckle. "Might" be a good idea but no one was brave enough to try
> it out.

probably a bad idea on a gyro. Weight above the gimbal head plays with
flight control.


> The only kit manufacturer that I know of that offers a ballistic chute
> on their gyro is Air Command. It's been a while since I've looked at
> their web site (www.aircommand.com) so I checked and a search showed
> that they offer a ballistic chute option on their two place machines.
> The one I saw for real was mounted below the gyro so if you ever set it
> off, you're going to be coming to the ground, "inverted."

Larry Neal developed that, I believe, when he was working with AC (he
also centreline-thrusted their machines). Larry is now marketing his
own line of gyros, including one that's roadable as a motorcycle. He
promises a ballistic chute as a future option.

The way the Air Command chute works is in two stages, in stage one it
hangs you inverted, then when the rotation of the rotors is arrested,
you pull handle #2, releasing the low-down attach point, and you drop
around to normal orientation. No one has ever done it for real, and it
has not been tested AFAIK with models, let alone full size. In theory
it would work if everything went well and the pilot was conscious
throughout.

You'd probably want to consider a possible inverted landing at about
20-22 fps and construct an appropriate roll structure.

A Spanish company that makes copies of the BRS chutes (under the "we're
too small to be worth suing" licence apparently -- BRS are a bit
cheesed about it) has installed some on gyros. I have seen this
installation on an RAF and it is conceptually identical to Larry's Air
Command install. I have heard that the Galaxy chute company, which I
believe is Czech, has a gyro chute but haven't seen how they do it.

I doubt the total number of ballistic chutes on rotorcraft worldwide
reaches double digits. I know none has ever been deployed in angre.

There is some talk that one of Larry's current dealers will assist in
developing the chute including full size tests. A test pilot would bail
out of a ballasted & instrumented gyro at altitude and then the
ballistic would be fired by remote control. Win or lose, this would
gather useful data, and it would be safe as the pilot would be down and
away before the chute was fired. The tests will be done overseas where
regulators are more cooperative and less timid than in the USA.


> :-o I'm not sure I like that idea but it may be way better than the
> alternative. Again, I don't know if anyone's tried this yet.

Ballistic chutes have been saving lives for two decades on ULs, almost
as long on experimentals, for five years on certified aircraft, and
they're coming on jets.

They would be big lifesavers if they could be made to work on
gyroplanes, as the most typical gyroplane fatal is a tumble from around
pattern altitude.

They would also have potential for life savings on helicopters -- look
at the double-fatal cop crash in Michigan last week. R22 went in
vertically after apparent loss of power for reasons yet unknown.
Witnesses reported he was hovering OGE at several hundred feet of
altitiude. (Yes, he was operating in a dangerous part of the
performance envelope, but he couldn't do what he was doing -- comb
through a wooded area for a fleeing convict -- any other way, really).

Of course, a chute isn't going to be much help on a fixed-pitch
helicopter like the original subject of the thread. A gyro is always in
autorotation, a helicopter has that option in most of its performance
envelope, including the part where you always fly unless you can't
avoid it. With a fixed-pitch helicopter, you are betting your life, or
serious and painful injury, on the reliability of that motor.

cheers

-=K=-

Rule #1: Don't hit anything big.

[Steve R]

Hi Kevin,

Thanks for the response. I hadn't heard bout the two stage deployment you
mention. Seems to me you've have to have plenty of altitude to have time
for everything to stabilize inverted, then deploy the second stage to right
the machine before landing. I'm not sure I'd want to go through the flip
that would occur at that point! :-o Besides, it seems to me that gyros as
a rule, don't fly high enough to take advantage of that?

Of course, all it has to do is save one life to be worth it I suppose. At
least no one's been forced to find out whether or not this will work for
real, so far! :-)

Fly Safe,
Steve R.


"Kevin O'Brien" <kevin@org-header-is-my-domain-name> wrote in message
news:2006042216351550073%kevin@orgheaderismydomain name...
> On 2006-04-19 00:06:18 -0400, "Steve R" >
> said:
>
>> From what I remember reading in gyro circles, one group was looking at
>> mounting the chute on top of the rotor hub, attached via some kind of
>> turn buckle. "Might" be a good idea but no one was brave enough to try
>> it out.
>
> probably a bad idea on a gyro. Weight above the gimbal head plays with
> flight control.
>
>
>> The only kit manufacturer that I know of that offers a ballistic chute on
>> their gyro is Air Command. It's been a while since I've looked at their
>> web site (www.aircommand.com) so I checked and a search showed that they
>> offer a ballistic chute option on their two place machines. The one I
>> saw for real was mounted below the gyro so if you ever set it off, you're
>> going to be coming to the ground, "inverted."
>
> Larry Neal developed that, I believe, when he was working with AC (he also
> centreline-thrusted their machines). Larry is now marketing his own line
> of gyros, including one that's roadable as a motorcycle. He promises a
> ballistic chute as a future option.
>
> The way the Air Command chute works is in two stages, in stage one it
> hangs you inverted, then when the rotation of the rotors is arrested, you
> pull handle #2, releasing the low-down attach point, and you drop around
> to normal orientation. No one has ever done it for real, and it has not
> been tested AFAIK with models, let alone full size. In theory it would
> work if everything went well and the pilot was conscious throughout.
>
> You'd probably want to consider a possible inverted landing at about 20-22
> fps and construct an appropriate roll structure.
>
> A Spanish company that makes copies of the BRS chutes (under the "we're
> too small to be worth suing" licence apparently -- BRS are a bit cheesed
> about it) has installed some on gyros. I have seen this installation on an
> RAF and it is conceptually identical to Larry's Air Command install. I
> have heard that the Galaxy chute company, which I believe is Czech, has a
> gyro chute but haven't seen how they do it.
>
> I doubt the total number of ballistic chutes on rotorcraft worldwide
> reaches double digits. I know none has ever been deployed in angre.
>
> There is some talk that one of Larry's current dealers will assist in
> developing the chute including full size tests. A test pilot would bail
> out of a ballasted & instrumented gyro at altitude and then the ballistic
> would be fired by remote control. Win or lose, this would gather useful
> data, and it would be safe as the pilot would be down and away before the
> chute was fired. The tests will be done overseas where regulators are more
> cooperative and less timid than in the USA.
>
>
>> :-o I'm not sure I like that idea but it may be way better than the
>> alternative. Again, I don't know if anyone's tried this yet.
>
> Ballistic chutes have been saving lives for two decades on ULs, almost as
> long on experimentals, for five years on certified aircraft, and they're
> coming on jets.
>
> They would be big lifesavers if they could be made to work on gyroplanes,
> as the most typical gyroplane fatal is a tumble from around pattern
> altitude.
>
> They would also have potential for life savings on helicopters -- look at
> the double-fatal cop crash in Michigan last week. R22 went in vertically
> after apparent loss of power for reasons yet unknown. Witnesses reported
> he was hovering OGE at several hundred feet of altitiude. (Yes, he was
> operating in a dangerous part of the performance envelope, but he couldn't
> do what he was doing -- comb through a wooded area for a fleeing
> convict -- any other way, really).
>
> Of course, a chute isn't going to be much help on a fixed-pitch helicopter
> like the original subject of the thread. A gyro is always in autorotation,
> a helicopter has that option in most of its performance envelope,
> including the part where you always fly unless you can't avoid it. With a
> fixed-pitch helicopter, you are betting your life, or serious and painful
> injury, on the reliability of that motor.
>
> cheers
>
> -=K=-
>
> Rule #1: Don't hit anything big.
>

[boB]

Kevin O'Brien wrote:

> Larry Neal developed that, I believe, when he was working with AC (he
> also centreline-thrusted their machines). Larry is now marketing his own
> line of gyros, including one that's roadable as a motorcycle. He
> promises a ballistic chute as a future option.


Is there a web site I can look at the combination Gyro? I always
thought a person could license an RAF as a motorcycle but the wheels
aren't able to handle any serious "on ground" driving.


--

boB
Wing 70

U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)

[[email protected]]

Check http://www.thebutterfly11c.com

[[email protected]]

URL should have been sorry for the screw up..

http://www.thebutterflyllc.com/

PATENT ISSUED FOR FLYING MOTORCYCLE THAT’S FLYING NOW!
Press Release January 16, 2006

It’s official: Larry Neal, inventor of a new flying motorcycle concept,
received a U.S. patent for it Dec. 27. “And I’m flying it now!” said Neal,
president of The Butterfly LLC company that makes gyroplane kits.

“Every flying vehicle we design and build will be based on this patent,”
Neal said. “It means we’re free to develop practical flying vehicles without
infringing on patent rights of other inventors.” A two-place flying car
version is also being developed.

Neal said he was granted U.S. Patent No. 6,978,969 on Dec. 27, and the next
day he successfully test-flew the new folding rotor blades. He said the
patent covers a “fly-drive vehicle” with a folding rotor shaft and a
transmission to power either the drive propeller or wheels.

“The problem with flying cars in the past was what to do with the wings once
you were on the ground,” said Neal. “With a “fly-drive” gyroplane, just fold
the rotor blades and drive on down the road.”

“Using rotor blades for the wings of a flying car makes the fly-drive Super
Sky Cycle a new kind of vehicle.” Neal said. “There’s nothing else like it,
a gyroplane that can fly at freeway speeds, land in 20 feet, be driven home
as a motorcycle, and fit in you garage.”

The Super Sky Cycle is based on a Monarch single-place gyroplane kit, Neal
said. First flown in the Super Sky Cycle configuration on Dec. 23, the new
fly-drive vehicle can fly at 20 mph, cruise at 50 mph at half throttle, and
tops out at 65 mph. He said a Rotax 582 engine is used with a three-blade
60-inch propeller.

Neal said that he plans to demonstrate the Super Sky Cycle in both flying
and driving modes at the Experimental Aircraft Association’s “Sun’n Fun”
fly-in at Lakeland, Fla., April 4-10.

For more information;
write The Butterfly LLC, P.O. Box 927, Boyd, Texas 76023
phone 940-627-9887
email Larry Neal at:

[boB]

wrote:
> URL should have been sorry for the screw up..
>
> http://www.thebutterflyllc.com/


Thanks a lot. That SkyCycle with 2 seats would probably find it's way
into my garage someday. :)

Do you still fly Cobra's??? I started in the AH-1G in 74, went to the Q
model in 76 enroute Giebelstadt Germany, then the different S models in
4/7 Cav and Big Red One at Riley, until 1988. After that I flew the
OH-58D in Stuttgart, 6 months in Desert Shield/Storm and finally retired
in 95. I sure miss flying that guy......

--

boB
Wing 70

U.S. Army Aviation (retired)
Central Texas - 5NM West of Gray Army Airfield (KGRK)

[[email protected]]

I spent a couple hours talking to Larry Neil at the recent Sun n Fun here in
Florida..He is a very interesting person and has some enviable back ground
experiences.
He has a Harley Davidson powered machine on the drawing boards as well..

My last AH1G flite would have been in 1972 when I was at Aberdeen Proving
Grounds. I think I was flying an experimental infra red system.I worked on
the Tow Cobra upgrade specs, and the Hellfire sight system. Very early
bread board stuff..
From Aberdeen I went to Alaska and the 269th Aviation Battalion assist S3 so
very little flying there. My last flight was in the CH54 June 1976 just
before I retired.

I was H23, H13, CH21, CH34, all the UH1s and the AH1G qualified.. Flew the
OH6,OH58 and TH55 but was never qualified in them..
1966 / 67 flew UH1C gun ships in Vietnam 1968 went to Hunter Army Airfield
and was in the 9th AH1 qualification class returned to Vietnam in 69 as a
maintenance officer with the 4th Divisions Direct Support Company.

I liked the Snake but the 21 and 34 was fun and required some skill that the
turbine power did not require..Especially at altitude. But I do miss flying
rotary wing aircraft fixed wing never done much to get the adreneline
flowing.

Have good one and I hope you have a Sky Cycle in your garage soon..I have
thought about selling my Valkyrie and Motor Home then renting a garage..