Flying just got cheaper!!

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Has anyone heard of the new Sport Pilot program? Basically, it's a
brand-new pilot rule created by the FAA that lets you fly at half the
cost of a traditional pilot license. No medical needed--if you can
drive a car, you can fly an airplane! You can become a sport pilot with
as little as 20 hours of flight instruction. You can fly a one or
two-seater aircraft capable of speeds up to 138mph. And in most cases,
you can pass the medical requirements just by showing your driver's
license! That's not all...

Now you can:
1.) Obtain an FAA pilot certificate at a lower cost and with less time
commitment than ever before.
2.) Fly a sport pilot-eligible aircraft with your driver's license
serving as evidence of medical eligibility.
3.) Purchase new, more affordable, ready-to-fly aircraft.
4.) Make your dreams of flying come true more easily and less
expensively.
5.) Fly interesting alternative aircraft such as powered parachutes,
weight shift-controlled (trikes), gliders, gyroplanes, or balloons.
6.) Maintain your own aircraft

Anyone here going to try this program out? My friend just trained in
Texas and he said he was certified under 21 hours and only paid a total
of $2,300!


It's cool cuz you can pick basically any type of plane you want and
either build it or have a factory build it for you. Here are some
photos of the various aircraft available for purchase:
http://www.sportpilot411.com

But, doesn't it sound too good to be true? I mean, is it safe to only
train for under 20 hours?

[Morgans]

> wrote

> Has anyone heard of the new Sport Pilot program?

Duh? New? only if you consider two years old to be new.

Perhaps when you join a group, you should read through some of the last
month or two's posts, or even, *gasp* Google for the key word in your
subject, to see what has been written on the subject.

In other words, yes, everyone here is well aware of it, and much has been
discussed about it. To be polite, you should attempt to catch up on some of
the material in a group, so you can have meaningful discussions, before you
begin posting.

It also helps you to not appear to be quite so ignorant.

Now, run along, and use google. Report back when you have read at least 200
posts on the subject.
--
Jim in NC

[John Gaquin]

"Morgans" > wrote in message news:I%C2g.20

>
>> Has anyone heard of the new Sport Pilot program?
>
> Duh? New? only if you consider two years old to be new.

Jim...... don't feed the troll. he's clearly trying to sell airplanes.

[Morgans]

"John Gaquin" > wrote
>
> Jim...... don't feed the troll. he's clearly trying to sell airplanes.

Oh, so that was his gig? (Sorry Gig! <g>) I didn't go to any of his links.

I had him mis-labeled, then. I put him down as ignorant, and it turns out
that he was a greasy spammer. Humm. Toss-up?
--
Jim in NC

[Grumman-581]

> wrote in message
ups.com...
<snip>

I'll have spam and eggs, please...

[Cub Driver]

On 22 Apr 2006 20:04:04 -0700, wrote:

>But, doesn't it sound too good to be true? I mean, is it safe to only
>train for under 20 hours?

Depends on the instructor. The minimum means very little: I had 60
hours before I soloed, and 109 hours before I got my certificate, for
a variety of circumstances peculiar to me.

I have no reason to believe that Sport Pilot instructors will be any
less demanding that the CFIs I encountered. You may well find yourself
putting in double the minimum number of hours.

Besides, the training is fun. No need to rush it.


-- all the best, Dan Ford

email: usenet AT danford DOT net

Warbird's Forum: www.warbirdforum.com
Piper Cub Forum: www.pipercubforum.com
In Search of Lost Time: www.readingproust.com

[Cub Driver]

>Now, run along, and use google. Report back when you have read at least 200
>posts on the subject.

Usenet forums are full of grumpy people. Don't worry about it
(speaking here to the OP). Come back here any time! At least you write
good sentences, which is more than can be said for many.


-- all the best, Dan Ford

email: usenet AT danford DOT net

Warbird's Forum: www.warbirdforum.com
Piper Cub Forum: www.pipercubforum.com
In Search of Lost Time: www.readingproust.com

[Matt Barrow]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> > wrote
>
>> Has anyone heard of the new Sport Pilot program?
>
> Duh? New? only if you consider two years old to be new.
>
He's somewhat behind the curve.

[Larry Dighera]

On 22 Apr 2006 20:04:04 -0700, wrote in
om>::

>I mean, is it safe to only train for under 20 hours?

You're not questioning the FAA's commitment to air safety, are you? If
so, you'll find much more fertile ground in the area of military
exemptions, Military Training Routs, and UAV operations.

It seems the FAA is overly lenient when it comes to requiring other
federal departments to adhere to sound safety regulations, but
draconian when it comes to usurping the rights of the civil populous
whom they serve.

[Vaughn Simon]

> wrote in message
ups.com...
> 3.) Purchase new, more affordable, ready-to-fly aircraft.

I haven't seen any new, affordable, ready-to-fly aircraft yet.
Unfortunately, I don't think that it is going to happen.

Vaughn

[ET]

"Vaughn Simon" > wrote in
:

>
> > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>> 3.) Purchase new, more affordable, ready-to-fly aircraft.
>
> I haven't seen any new, affordable, ready-to-fly aircraft yet.
> Unfortunately, I don't think that it is going to happen.
>
> Vaughn
>
>
>
>
Compared to what???

Where can else you buy a brand new certified plane for under $60,000
that burns less than 5 gal an hour of fuel that costs at about $1 a
gallon less than av gass, burns about the same amount of oil as your car
(like almost none) and has a 100 hour warrenty?????, oh, and you can
lease it out or train students in it as well, or spend a bit more on it
for proper equipment to fly night or IFR, ... did I mention it's as fast
or faster than a basic 172????



--
-- ET >:-)

"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

[Morgans]

>
> Usenet forums are full of grumpy people. Don't worry about it
> (speaking here to the OP). Come back here any time! At least you write
> good sentences, which is more than can be said for many.

Dan, did you realize you are defending a spammer, by attacking me? Plus,
you invited it back.

If that is your intention, attack away. I have no patience for fools or
spammers.
--
Jim in NC

[Flyingmonk]

Dan, just out of curiousity, did you first learned on a taildragger?
Is that ONE of the reasons that it took you a little longer?

The Monk

Cub Driver wrote:
> On 22 Apr 2006 20:04:04 -0700, wrote:
>
> >But, doesn't it sound too good to be true? I mean, is it safe to only
> >train for under 20 hours?
>
> Depends on the instructor. The minimum means very little: I had 60
> hours before I soloed, and 109 hours before I got my certificate, for
> a variety of circumstances peculiar to me.
>
> I have no reason to believe that Sport Pilot instructors will be any
> less demanding that the CFIs I encountered. You may well find yourself
> putting in double the minimum number of hours.
>
> Besides, the training is fun. No need to rush it.
>
>
> -- all the best, Dan Ford
>
> email: usenet AT danford DOT net
>
> Warbird's Forum: www.warbirdforum.com
> Piper Cub Forum: www.pipercubforum.com
> In Search of Lost Time: www.readingproust.com

[Flyingmonk]

Looks more like an E-magazine to me.

The Monk

Morgans wrote:
> "John Gaquin" > wrote
> >
> > Jim...... don't feed the troll. he's clearly trying to sell airplanes.
>
> Oh, so that was his gig? (Sorry Gig! <g>) I didn't go to any of his links.
>
> I had him mis-labeled, then. I put him down as ignorant, and it turns out
> that he was a greasy spammer. Humm. Toss-up?
> --
> Jim in NC

[Robert M. Gary]

>I mean, is it safe to only train for under 20 hours?

You can't regulate people into safety. Its the CFI that decides when a
student is ready for a checkride. You can't automatically take the
checkride just because you meet the mins. There is no reason for the
FAA to tie back the hands of CFIs. There are some programs that can
produce 40 hours private pilots that are safer than 60 hour students
from other places.

-Robert, CFI

[ET]

B A R R Y > wrote in
:

> On Sun, 23 Apr 2006 14:49:39 GMT, ET > wrote:
>
>
>>
>>Where can else you buy a brand new certified plane for under $60,000
>>that burns less than 5 gal an hour of fuel that costs at about $1 a
>>gallon less than av gass, burns about the same amount of oil as your
>>car (like almost none) and has a 100 hour warrenty?????, oh, and you
>>can lease it out or train students in it as well, or spend a bit more
>>on it for proper equipment to fly night or IFR, ... did I mention it's
>>as fast or faster than a basic 172????
>
>
> What is it?

Many sLSAs meet this definition in there basic configuration.

We have 30 modals of them that have been delivered to customers, with
quite a few more on the way...

Start at: http://www.sportpilot.org/learn/slsa/

The EuroFox appears to be the price leader at the moment (I welcome
someone else to add additional research) at 39,950.00 Euros (about
$49,000 USD). Rans 7seris isnt far off and I'm pretty sure the
Festival is the lowest non-rag & tube offering with the Allegro not far
behind...

Yeah, if you want or need a transponder or GPS or artificial horizon or
auto pilot it will add up to more, but the opportunity is there, and
every month more come out of the woodwork!


--
-- ET >:-)

"A common mistake people make when trying to design something
completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete
fools."---- Douglas Adams

[gatt]

"Vaughn Simon" > wrote in message
news:64M2g.34710$az4.7933@bgtnsc04-

>> 3.) Purchase new, more affordable, ready-to-fly aircraft.
>
> I haven't seen any new, affordable, ready-to-fly aircraft yet.
> Unfortunately, I don't think that it is going to happen.

NO KIDDING! I saw that too:

New, affordable aircraft... HAHAHAHA!

And...wait...let me guess: There is going to be a HUGE demand for pilots in
the next five years, which is why everybody should enroll for Instrument,
Commercial, Multi, CFII, ATP and turbine instruction RIGHT NOW!. :P
-c