Painless Removal of External Male Catheter? (ouch)

[ContestID67]

Ever since my first contests and XC flights I have been wearing an
external male catheter. Putting these things on is easy. Taking them
off is another matter altogether. I know they have to be sticky or
they might fall off at an inopertune time but jeez-la-wheez they sure
can stay stuck and are a literal pain to remove.

So what is the secret to pain-free removal of an external male
catheter? Any other advice on usage is welcome.

- Anonymous

[BB]

A little bit of baby powder on the, eh, attachment point will make
removal easy. Don't put too much on or it won't stick enough.

John Cochrane BB

[Mal]

Take it off in the shower or wet it a bit.

[Ray Lovinggood]

John,

I, too, have used talcum powder with success. However,
for some reason, I stopped using it. Probably because
I just forgot to bring it with me. Since, however,
I've found the catheter comes off easily enough (usually)
after a hot day in the cockpit. Sweat some while flying
(you know, when you're down low and can't find a thermal)
and it will come off without to much wailing and gnashing
of teeth. Of course, YMMV.

Ray

At 21:42 25 April 2006, Bb wrote:
>A little bit of baby powder on the, eh, attachment
>point will make
>removal easy. Don't put too much on or it won't stick
>enough.
>
>John Cochrane BB
>
>

[[email protected]]

Really now, just be a man...

[Mark628CA]

Not all catheters are the same. Last year I ordered a bunch from Zee
Medical. After trying the first one, I returned them all. The adhesive
was WAY too aggressive! I then ordered the ones I had been using-
Standard Care from Mentor Corp. (Available from Quality Medical
Supplies (www.qualitymedicalsupplies.com). Item # 76-9400. These are
the 35mm size- other sizes are available. Price was $1.13 ea. in
quantities of 100. Over $100, they pay shipping.
The adhesive is not as tough to remove as the silicone catheters from
Zee. I thought I was going to have to regularly replace non-replaceable
equipment with those:-). All is well now.

[HL Falbaum]

The secret is the same as the secret for removing bandages. No, not
Acetone--not *there*!
The secret is counter-traction. Gently lift a bit of catheter from the
skin-(the last bit is not adhesive coated), then pull the catheter material
gently towards "off", while gently pulling the skin towards the body. No
need to pinch it, just a bit of thumb pressure and pull toward the body.
Stay close to the catheter with the skin thumb, and as the catheter comes
off, advance the thumb incrementally. A deep breath helps!

Hope that helps.

--
Hartley Falbaum
DG800B--"KF"

"ContestID67" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Ever since my first contests and XC flights I have been wearing an
> external male catheter. Putting these things on is easy. Taking them
> off is another matter altogether. I know they have to be sticky or
> they might fall off at an inopertune time but jeez-la-wheez they sure
> can stay stuck and are a literal pain to remove.
>
> So what is the secret to pain-free removal of an external male
> catheter? Any other advice on usage is welcome.
>
> - Anonymous
>

[[email protected]]

I tried several brands and settled on Holister because they're easiest
to remove.

I found the Mentor to be the worst -- way too aggressive adhesive.
Yowza! (I did appreciate their free samples though.)

~ted/2NO

[Stewart Kissel]

http://www.vitalitymedical.com/VitalityMedical.storefront/EN/Produ
ct/URO6400?GCID=C13064x004

I must not be as masochistic as you guys...one try
with the sticky ones, and I did a search and found
velcro reusable straps...verrrry much better, no removal
issues.

[DP]

ContestID67 wrote:
> Ever since my first contests and XC flights I have been wearing an
> external male catheter. Putting these things on is easy. Taking them
> off is another matter altogether. I know they have to be sticky or
> they might fall off at an inopertune time but jeez-la-wheez they sure
> can stay stuck and are a literal pain to remove.
>
> So what is the secret to pain-free removal of an external male
> catheter? Any other advice on usage is welcome.
>
> - Anonymous

- After a couple of seasons of using non-adhesive male catheters, I
ordered some with adhesive and when the arrived in the mail, promptly
tried on.....it took the next 40 minutes or so to remove it! Needless
to say this was a scary experience. I called my sister-in-law, who is a
nurse, who after a few minutes of laughing, told me she'd find out what
they used to remove these things at the hospital. The answer is a
product called "detachol" (www.detachol.com). Available wherever you
are sourcing the catheters. A small amount on a q-tip will make removal
painless and easy. Most flights I don't seem to need it, but when I
do, I'm sure glad I have some in the car!

Dave

[Mark628CA]

Mentor has two different lines. The Standard Care is the one I use. I
was advised that the Active Care line is the one with the more
aggressive adhesive.
The Zee Medical catheters were almost impossible to remove- It took a
long hot shower and substantial swearing. And even then there was
adhesive residue left. Wish I''d known abouut the detachol. I wasn't
going to risk any of the solvents I rely on in fiberglass layups, paint
removal or metal prep. The concept of "You First" is highly developed
in aviation, and I believe in it.

[Mitch]

Mark,

First of all we all know that you require the LARGE male catheters
which are not fit for any mammal this side of a horse. Secondly, a
well and gently applied razor to the "area" that is covered makes a
world of difference. Besides, being "Metrosexual" is what it's all
about for the hip guys these days! So taking a razor to It also has
it's advantages with the ladies...

Echo X-Ray out.
Mark628CA wrote:
> Mentor has two different lines. The Standard Care is the one I use. I
> was advised that the Active Care line is the one with the more
> aggressive adhesive.
> The Zee Medical catheters were almost impossible to remove- It took a
> long hot shower and substantial swearing. And even then there was
> adhesive residue left. Wish I''d known abouut the detachol. I wasn't
> going to risk any of the solvents I rely on in fiberglass layups, paint
> removal or metal prep. The concept of "You First" is highly developed
> in aviation, and I believe in it.

[JS]

The best way to feel no pain at the removal of an external catheter
is a two-step process. Best done at the crew vehicle on the side which
does not face the office, flight line, etc.
1. Slam your fingers in the door of the car.
2. Whilst jumping up and down screaming "AAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRR!" (or
similar), quickly remove the catheter with the other hand.

OR

1. Use a non-aggressive adhesive catheter as described above.
2. Trim excess hair before use.
Swearing is only optional in this method.

Thanks, Dave. Will look for Detachol, sounds good.
Jim

[[email protected]]

I've been getting them on-line from an outfit called Stadium Pal. They
are resellers; the actual maker is identified on the package. They
come off reasonably painlessly unless I'm careless and capture some
hair. I generally leave the condom portion in place until I get home
or to the motel and shower.

Ray Warshaw
1LK

[Doug Haluza]

Mark628CA wrote:
> Not all catheters are the same.

Yes, I have found that they fall into two categories, the kind that
don't stay on, and the kind that don't come off. After too many bad
experiences with the ones that don't stay on, I've switched the the
ones that don't come off.

[Doug Haluza]

Mark628CA wrote:
> Not all catheters are the same.

Yes, I have found that they fall into two categories, the kind that
don't stay on, and the kind that don't come off. After too many bad
experiences with the ones that don't stay on, I've switched the the
ones that don't come off.

[Doug Haluza]

Mark628CA wrote:
> Not all catheters are the same.

Yes, I have found that they fall into two categories, the kind that
don't stay on, and the kind that don't come off. After too many bad
experiences with the ones that don't stay on, I've switched the the
ones that don't come off.

[Doug Haluza]

Mark628CA wrote:
> Not all catheters are the same.

Yes, I have found that they fall into two categories, the kind that
don't stay on, and the kind that don't come off. After too many bad
experiences with the ones that don't stay on, I've switched the the
ones that don't come off.

[Doug Haluza]

Mark628CA wrote:
> Not all catheters are the same.

Yes, I have found that they fall into two categories, the kind that
don't stay on, and the kind that don't come off. After too many bad
experiences with the ones that don't stay on, I've switched the the
ones that don't come off.

[Doug Haluza]

Mark628CA wrote:
> Not all catheters are the same.

Yes, I have found that they fall into two categories, the kind that
don't stay on, and the kind that don't come off. After too many bad
experiences with the ones that don't stay on, I've switched the the
ones that don't come off.

[Nyal Williams]

Aw, just leave it on for the whole contest; what with
the high price of petroleum products these days, etc.
And think of the saving of space in the land fill!

You might also try vice grips; there's a couple of
ways these can be used -- for removal, or instead of.
(OK to dangle a preposition in this thread?)


At 23:00 25 April 2006, Hl Falbaum wrote:
>The secret is the same as the secret for removing bandages.
>No, not
>Acetone--not *there*!
>The secret is counter-traction. Gently lift a bit of
>catheter from the
>skin-(the last bit is not adhesive coated), then pull
>the catheter material
>gently towards 'off', while gently pulling the skin
>towards the body. No
>need to pinch it, just a bit of thumb pressure and
>pull toward the body.
>Stay close to the catheter with the skin thumb, and
>as the catheter comes
>off, advance the thumb incrementally. A deep breath
>helps!
>
>Hope that helps.
>
>--
>Hartley Falbaum
>DG800B--'KF'
>
>'ContestID67' wrote in message
oups.com...
>> Ever since my first contests and XC flights I have
>>been wearing an
>> external male catheter. Putting these things on is
>>easy. Taking them
>> off is another matter altogether. I know they have
>>to be sticky or
>> they might fall off at an inopertune time but jeez-la-wheez
>>they sure
>> can stay stuck and are a literal pain to remove.
>>
>> So what is the secret to pain-free removal of an external
>>male
>> catheter? Any other advice on usage is welcome.
>>
>> - Anonymous
>>
>
>
>

[[email protected]]

I've tried several brands including some of the Mentors and found most
of the adhesives to be too aggressive. I've ended up using "Mentor
Clear Advantage with Aloe". Look for the "with Aloe", I found these
were sticky enough not to come off or leak yet not too dificult to
remove.

Darryl
6DX


Mark628CA wrote:
> Mentor has two different lines. The Standard Care is the one I use. I
> was advised that the Active Care line is the one with the more
> aggressive adhesive.
> The Zee Medical catheters were almost impossible to remove- It took a
> long hot shower and substantial swearing. And even then there was
> adhesive residue left. Wish I''d known abouut the detachol. I wasn't
> going to risk any of the solvents I rely on in fiberglass layups, paint
> removal or metal prep. The concept of "You First" is highly developed
> in aviation, and I believe in it.

[toad]

Of course, you could use the non-adhesive catheters (brand name Texas)
that use a foam strip around the outside to seal. I have used for 5
years with no leaks.

Todd Smith
3S

[quietman]

I was reading this thread in befuddlement, until I saw the post
suggesting leaving
the catheter on for an entire multi-day contest.

When I saw that I realized the problem some of you are having, and why
I myself
do not have any trouble just yanking those things off on the occasions
I use them.

The key here is, as usual in aviation-related matters, training.

The adhesive used on catheters is designed to adhere properly to skin
that has been
somewhat toughened and conditioned by regular use. It would seem many
of you are not
being diligent, especially in the off-season, with a vigorous regimen
to maintain fitness
in this particular area.

The fact that someone would consider leaving a catheter on for a whole
contest shows
this in glaring detail. Unthinkable! Currency must be maintained!

We must all be sure that we get our wives and/or girlfriends up to
speed with this as well.
They need to be made to understand the crucial role they play in making
soaring safe and
enjoyable for us, not only by approving expensive purchases of
uncomprehensible "stuff",
but by joining with us to keep us up to the physical challenges of
soaring.

This would seem like a great inclusion to the otherwise excellent "Back
in the Saddle" (BITS) seminar held in region 12 each year...

quietman "ZR"
www.roenation.com

[JC]

On 25 Apr 2006 22:33:02 -0700, "Mike the Strike" >
wrote:

>
>> >> So what is the secret to pain-free removal of an external
>> >>male
>> >> catheter? Any other advice on usage is welcome.
>> >>
>> >> - Anonymous
>
>Tightly pinch the tube downstream of the catheter while peeing. It
>will first inflate like a balloon, then detach itself painlessly in a
>cockpit shower of yellow rain. Don't ask how I know!
>
>Mike

Been there. Done that!

[Eric Greenwell]

Doug Haluza wrote:
> Mark628CA wrote:
>> Not all catheters are the same.
>
> Yes, I have found that they fall into two categories, the kind that
> don't stay on, and the kind that don't come off. After too many bad
> experiences with the ones that don't stay on, I've switched the the
> ones that don't come off.

So, how many weeks can you leave one on before replacement is required?


--
Change "netto" to "net" to email me directly

Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA

www.motorglider.org - Download "A Guide to Self-launching Sailplane
Operation"

[[email protected]]

Replacement of what?

Ray Warshaw
1LK

[P. Corbett]

Eric Greenwell wrote:
> Doug Haluza wrote:
>
>> Mark628CA wrote:
>>
>>> Not all catheters are the same.
>>
>>
>> Yes, I have found that they fall into two categories, the kind that
>> don't stay on, and the kind that don't come off. After too many bad
>> experiences with the ones that don't stay on, I've switched the the
>> ones that don't come off.
>
>
> So, how many weeks can you leave one on before replacement is required?
>
>
This is a very important question and I have been including it on all
Biennial Flight Reviews. The correct answer is of course, "it may remain
in place up to but not including the date of the next BFR or until
circulation ceases, which ever occurs first" [14 CFR 91.1444 (6) (ii)].
I also require all students to demonstrate catheter removal
proficiency during 200 foot simulated rope breaks. I find that this
really keeps 'em on their toes.

Paul

[Shawn]

Doug Haluza wrote:
> Mark628CA wrote:
>
>>Not all catheters are the same.
>
>
> Yes, I have found that they fall into two categories, the kind that
> don't stay on, and the kind that don't come off. After too many bad
> experiences with the ones that don't stay on, I've switched the the
> ones that don't come off.
>

Cheaper that way. ;-)

Shawn

[g l i d e r s t u d]

I have found that you cannot allow your catheter and willy to get any
direct sunlight. I will bring a small towel with me to lay over my lap
to make sure that there is no direct sunlight. Since I have been doing
this, I have yet to have a painful dismount. Also as the instructions
say....roll it off, dont pull or peal it off. But try and unroll as you
had rolled it on. I know some find this gross, but I prefer the
catheter after the second day of usage. I am unsure how to keep it on
for a whole contest. But then again I am young enough to have other
early morning issues, but if you lay off your viagra prescription for 9
days, you should be okay with leaving it on the whole time.

The catheter company also makes a cleaner for pre instilation (works
well) and a adhesive remover that works wonders (much better than Goo
be Gone). They come in a package the size of a condom and I leave them
in the glider. I found this from a student that uses them everyday.