Re: 9/11 Smoking Gun! Flight 93 Rare News Footage From The Crash Site

[Miss L. Toe]

"Finally" > wrote in message
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> Smoking Gun! Flight 93 Rare News Footage From The Crash Site
>
>
> This is it folks. After viewing the video you will undoubtedly know two
> things:
>
>
> 1. There was no Flight 93 Plane at the crash site.
> 2. The official story of Flight 93 from the very beginning was/is a lie.
>
>
>
>
> Recently Discovered Video Footage from NBC and FOX
>
> http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread206122/pg1

Was a passenger list ever published ?
Have the relatives of the missing ever been contacted ?

[Keith W]

"Miss L. Toe" > wrote in message
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>
> "Finally" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Smoking Gun! Flight 93 Rare News Footage From The Crash Site
>>
>>
>> This is it folks. After viewing the video you will undoubtedly know two
>> things:
>>
>>
>> 1. There was no Flight 93 Plane at the crash site.
>> 2. The official story of Flight 93 from the very beginning was/is a lie.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Recently Discovered Video Footage from NBC and FOX
>>
>> http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread206122/pg1
>
> Was a passenger list ever published ?

Yes

> Have the relatives of the missing ever been contacted ?
>

Yes and they confirm the 'official' story.

Keith

>
>

[Jay Honeck]

> > Smoking Gun! Flight 93 Rare News Footage From The Crash Site
> > This is it folks. After viewing the video you will undoubtedly know two
> > things:
> > 1. There was no Flight 93 Plane at the crash site.
> > 2. The official story of Flight 93 from the very beginning was/is a lie.

Obviously you've never been to a plane crash site. A plane that
crashes straight down, powered into the ground like Flight 93, leaves
almost nothing recognizable.

We had a small plane crash less than a mile from our old apartment, in
Kenosha, WI. All that was visible was a 6 foot-diameter hole in the
ground. (The guy apparently lost it in the clouds and went straight
in, inverted, from several thousand feet.)

Aircraft really ARE just aluminum tubes full of people. There's just
not much there to start with.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Richard]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>>> Smoking Gun! Flight 93 Rare News Footage From The Crash Site
>>> This is it folks. After viewing the video you will undoubtedly know two
>>> things:
>>> 1. There was no Flight 93 Plane at the crash site.
>>> 2. The official story of Flight 93 from the very beginning was/is a lie.
>
> Obviously you've never been to a plane crash site. A plane that
> crashes straight down, powered into the ground like Flight 93, leaves
> almost nothing recognizable.
>
> We had a small plane crash less than a mile from our old apartment, in
> Kenosha, WI. All that was visible was a 6 foot-diameter hole in the
> ground. (The guy apparently lost it in the clouds and went straight
> in, inverted, from several thousand feet.)
>
> Aircraft really ARE just aluminum tubes full of people. There's just
> not much there to start with.
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

I videotaped a 172 that crashed vertically (suicide was the ruling based
on arm bone disintegration) in a West Houston muddy field. The plane
was utter flattened like a beer can. The highest part of the wreckage
was the twisted pilot side door and it came to just below my knee.
Everything else totally crushed, wings, fuselage, tail. Didn't video
the crash, video'd the crash site after. It happened about a half mile
away from the field we were using for skydiving.

Richard

[WaltBJ]

A modern airplane, even the fighters, are built on the principle of the
eggshell. There is no 'keel' as on a ship. The strength is in the
stressed skin and the wing spars, if the design uses them. The F4, for
example, has no spars per se; they are spanwise ribs machined into the
upper and lower wing skins. I have been a member of official accident
investigation teams for four fighter crashes. The husky looking
creation of aluminum titanium and steel simply disintegrates when it
hits terra firm at 500plus. The next step is to retrieve all the pieces
and try to lay them out on a hangar floor in their relative positions
on the airplane. Then examine each one to see what can be found out.
When the bird goes in fast and steep - there isn't much left that you
couldn't hold in your hand. Parts of the engine(s), landing gear, and
many many small pieces of crumpled compressed aluminum - if they
haven't burned in the post-crash fire. The idea that a large
recognizable chunk of airplane fuselage and tail will be left sticking
out of a hole in the ground is totally ridiculous. What do these people
think would be left of a standard automobile if it hit the side of a
dirt hill at 400 mph? They sure as hell have seen on TV what's left of
a NASCAR racer when it hits the wall at a measly 200 mph. Somehow these
conspiracy fiends are devoid of reasoning ability; all is cast aside as
they pursue their little fantasies. If only they would keep these
baseless speculations to themselves and stop wasting bandwidth.
Walt BJ

[Jose]

> (suicide was the ruling based on arm bone disintegration)

What's the connection?

Jose
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[Miss L. Toe]

"Jose" > wrote in message
t...
> > (suicide was the ruling based on arm bone disintegration)
>
> What's the connection?

His arm bone was connected to his hip bone.

[Greg Schuler]

Miss L. Toe wrote:
> "Jose" > wrote in message
> t...
> > > (suicide was the ruling based on arm bone disintegration)
> >
> > What's the connection?
>
> His arm bone was connected to his hip bone.

Well no wonder the plane crashed - must have made it hard to control
the plane with his arm all the way down there...

[Zamboni]

"WaltBJ" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>A modern airplane, even the fighters, are built on the principle of the
> eggshell. There is no 'keel' as on a ship. The strength is in the
> stressed skin and the wing spars, if the design uses them. The F4, for
> example, has no spars per se; they are spanwise ribs machined into the
> upper and lower wing skins. I have been a member of official accident
> investigation teams for four fighter crashes. The husky looking
> creation of aluminum titanium and steel simply disintegrates when it
> hits terra firm at 500plus. The next step is to retrieve all the
> pieces
> and try to lay them out on a hangar floor in their relative positions
> on the airplane. Then examine each one to see what can be found out.
> When the bird goes in fast and steep - there isn't much left that you
> couldn't hold in your hand. Parts of the engine(s), landing gear, and
> many many small pieces of crumpled compressed aluminum - if they
> haven't burned in the post-crash fire. The idea that a large
> recognizable chunk of airplane fuselage and tail will be left sticking
> out of a hole in the ground is totally ridiculous.

I watched a B-52 crash on take-off. Near-vertical impact, but not a
whole lot of velocity behind it. There wasn't much of a crater, but the
only part left was the tail fin (and a landing-gear assembly thrown
clear of the impact). Apart from the tail, I didn't see many pieces that
were more than a foot across.
--
Zamboni

[Jay Honeck]

> > (suicide was the ruling based on arm bone disintegration)
>
> What's the connection?

Just a guess, but I suppose it has something to do with the arm being
locked forward (as the pilot shoved the yoke forward) at the time of
impact? (Thus causing the disintegration of the bone...)

A non-suicide would be pulling back all the way, most likely.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Morgans]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote

> A non-suicide would be pulling back all the way, most likely.

Unless he was inverted at the time, then he had better be pushing. How do I
know this?

Think of RC airplanes, then think about low level inverted flight practice.
You draw the conclusions. <g>
--
Jim in NC

[mrtravel]

Morgans wrote:
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote
>
>
>>A non-suicide would be pulling back all the way, most likely.
>
>
> Unless he was inverted at the time, then he had better be pushing. How do I
> know this?
>
> Think of RC airplanes, then think about low level inverted flight practice.
> You draw the conclusions. <g>

One of my favorite inverted flights was done while taking pictures of a
MIG with my buddy Maverick

[glenn P]

Yeah, "I've been" to a few that left a bit more than you propose.... Goose.

http://www.ntsb.gov/Events/twa800/exhibits/Ex_17_photos.pdf


"WaltBJ" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>A modern airplane, even the fighters, are built on the principle of the
> eggshell. There is no 'keel' as on a ship. The strength is in the
> stressed skin and the wing spars, if the design uses them. The F4, for
> example, has no spars per se; they are spanwise ribs machined into the
> upper and lower wing skins. I have been a member of official accident
> investigation teams for four fighter crashes. The husky looking
> creation of aluminum titanium and steel simply disintegrates when it
> hits terra firm at 500plus. The next step is to retrieve all the pieces
> and try to lay them out on a hangar floor in their relative positions
> on the airplane. Then examine each one to see what can be found out.
> When the bird goes in fast and steep - there isn't much left that you
> couldn't hold in your hand. Parts of the engine(s), landing gear, and
> many many small pieces of crumpled compressed aluminum - if they
> haven't burned in the post-crash fire. The idea that a large
> recognizable chunk of airplane fuselage and tail will be left sticking
> out of a hole in the ground is totally ridiculous. What do these people
> think would be left of a standard automobile if it hit the side of a
> dirt hill at 400 mph? They sure as hell have seen on TV what's left of
> a NASCAR racer when it hits the wall at a measly 200 mph. Somehow these
> conspiracy fiends are devoid of reasoning ability; all is cast aside as
> they pursue their little fantasies. If only they would keep these
> baseless speculations to themselves and stop wasting bandwidth.
> Walt BJ
>

[Keith W]

"glenn P" > wrote in message
...
> Yeah, "I've been" to a few that left a bit more than you propose....
> Goose.
>
> http://www.ntsb.gov/Events/twa800/exhibits/Ex_17_photos.pdf
>

Yet you dont seem to understand that what is in this photo
is a RECONSTRUCTION using the small pieces picked off the
ocean bed.

Keith

[Scott M. Kozel]

"Keith W" > wrote:
>
> "glenn P" > wrote:
>
> > Yeah, "I've been" to a few that left a bit more than you propose....
> > Goose.
> >
> > http://www.ntsb.gov/Events/twa800/exhibits/Ex_17_photos.pdf
>
> Yet you dont seem to understand that what is in this photo
> is a RECONSTRUCTION using the small pieces picked off the
> ocean bed.

Doesn't matter -- Glenn P still thinks that with a bit of work that he
will be able to fly in it.

[John Brockmeyer]

Two things. A car, since it doesn't have to fly, is constructed a lot more
sturdily than
an airplane.
I once saw a slow-motion movie of an F4 flying into a concrete barrier,
and it just
seems to disappear.

On Sun, 07 May 2006 15:34:44 -0600, glenn P > wrote:

> Yeah, "I've been" to a few that left a bit more than you propose....
> Goose.
>
> http://www.ntsb.gov/Events/twa800/exhibits/Ex_17_photos.pdf
>
>
> "WaltBJ" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> A modern airplane, even the fighters, are built on the principle of the
>> eggshell. There is no 'keel' as on a ship. The strength is in the
>> stressed skin and the wing spars, if the design uses them. The F4, for
>> example, has no spars per se; they are spanwise ribs machined into the
>> upper and lower wing skins. I have been a member of official accident
>> investigation teams for four fighter crashes. The husky looking
>> creation of aluminum titanium and steel simply disintegrates when it
>> hits terra firm at 500plus. The next step is to retrieve all the pieces
>> and try to lay them out on a hangar floor in their relative positions
>> on the airplane. Then examine each one to see what can be found out.
>> When the bird goes in fast and steep - there isn't much left that you
>> couldn't hold in your hand. Parts of the engine(s), landing gear, and
>> many many small pieces of crumpled compressed aluminum - if they
>> haven't burned in the post-crash fire. The idea that a large
>> recognizable chunk of airplane fuselage and tail will be left sticking
>> out of a hole in the ground is totally ridiculous. What do these people
>> think would be left of a standard automobile if it hit the side of a
>> dirt hill at 400 mph? They sure as hell have seen on TV what's left of
>> a NASCAR racer when it hits the wall at a measly 200 mph. Somehow these
>> conspiracy fiends are devoid of reasoning ability; all is cast aside as
>> they pursue their little fantasies. If only they would keep these
>> baseless speculations to themselves and stop wasting bandwidth.
>> Walt BJ
>>
>
>



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[EricT]

"John Brockmeyer" > wrote in message
news:op.s88149cfkmm0o0@verdi...
> Two things. A car, since it doesn't have to fly, is constructed a lot more
> sturdily than
> an airplane.
> I once saw a slow-motion movie of an F4 flying into a concrete barrier,
> and it just
> seems to disappear.
>
> On Sun, 07 May 2006 15:34:44 -0600, glenn P > wrote:
>


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