TSA certified CFIs

[Robert M. Gary]

Has anyone gone to the trouble of getting TSA certified to provide
foreign flight training on this list? I have my appointment with the
FSDO tomorrow morning. They told me to bring my birth certificate to
prove my U.S. citizenship along with my medical and CFI certificate (I
would think they would have that). I'm not sure what to expect. At one
point I had a Canadian student I thought I needed this for but then
realized he was grandfathered .

-Robert

[cjcampbell]

Robert M. Gary wrote:
> Has anyone gone to the trouble of getting TSA certified to provide
> foreign flight training on this list?

I have not, of course, but let me know how it turns out. I will
probably do that when I get back.

[Ol Shy & Bashful]

All of the instructors at my facility did the TSA training and
"certified" for annual records. We only have a few foreign students but
the boss wanted to get us all under the umbrella. The "training" course
is laughable and simply means you keep bucking it up a level to your
supervisor!!
Not a big deal at all but I resent having to do the paperwork for TSA
and the record keeping that is required "under penalty of law..." Got
it shoved in our faces and stuffed down our throats.
National Identity Card coming next and I have been predicting that for
20 years now. Some called me nuts and worse and that isn't the end of
my predictions either. Wish I was wrong but my batting average on these
things is nearly perfect to this point.
Rocky

[Jim Macklin]

Every active CFI is required to have taken the TSA course.
It is also recommended that inactive CFIs also take the
course. At flight schools all persons who will deal with
students, from the receptionist to the mechanics take the
training and have the school record to prove it.
All new flight students must prove USA citizenship and that
must be recorded. Non-citizens must pass a TSA/HS
background check before training.

AOPA Online - AOPA's Guide to TSA's Alien Flight Training
.... CFIs: Stay up to date on how the TSA's alien flight
training/ ... Flight Training. The TSA rule initially
defined "flight training" as instruction received ...
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AOPA Online - Regulatory Brief -- TSA Flight Training
Security Rule The Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association
(AOPA), a not-for-profit individual membership association,
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TSA | Transportation Security Administration | Flight School
.... If you are unable to complete the training on-line and
would like a FSSA-CD mailed to you, e-mail your name and
shipping address to the TSA Flight School ...
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TSA | Transportation Security Administration | Alien
Flight ... As a prerequisite to flight training, non-US
citizens must provide to TSA fingerprints, biographical
information, including full name, passport and visa ...
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--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P


"Ol Shy & Bashful" > wrote in message
oups.com...

| All of the instructors at my facility did the TSA training
and
| "certified" for annual records. We only have a few foreign
students but
| the boss wanted to get us all under the umbrella. The
"training" course
| is laughable and simply means you keep bucking it up a
level to your
| supervisor!!
| Not a big deal at all but I resent having to do the
paperwork for TSA
| and the record keeping that is required "under penalty of
law..." Got
| it shoved in our faces and stuffed down our throats.
| National Identity Card coming next and I have been
predicting that for
| 20 years now. Some called me nuts and worse and that isn't
the end of
| my predictions either. Wish I was wrong but my batting
average on these
| things is nearly perfect to this point.
| Rocky
|

[cjcampbell]

Jim Macklin wrote:
> Every active CFI is required to have taken the TSA course.
> It is also recommended that inactive CFIs also take the
> course. At flight schools all persons who will deal with
> students, from the receptionist to the mechanics take the
> training and have the school record to prove it.
> All new flight students must prove USA citizenship and that
> must be recorded. Non-citizens must pass a TSA/HS
> background check before training.
>
> AOPA Online - AOPA's Guide to TSA's Alien Flight Training
> ... CFIs: Stay up to date on how the TSA's alien flight
> training/ ... Flight Training. The TSA rule initially
> defined "flight training" as instruction received ...

Oh, that training. I already took that. I thought he was talking about
something else.

What we really need is better graphics, a 'shooter' game interface
where we blow terrorists off the tarmac. :-)

[Jim Macklin]

Google for "Bin Laden liquor store"
http://www.henry.martinez.net/games/binladenliquors/




"cjcampbell" > wrote in
message
oups.com...
|
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| > Every active CFI is required to have taken the TSA
course.
| > It is also recommended that inactive CFIs also take the
| > course. At flight schools all persons who will deal
with
| > students, from the receptionist to the mechanics take
the
| > training and have the school record to prove it.
| > All new flight students must prove USA citizenship and
that
| > must be recorded. Non-citizens must pass a TSA/HS
| > background check before training.
| >
| > AOPA Online - AOPA's Guide to TSA's Alien Flight
Training
| > ... CFIs: Stay up to date on how the TSA's alien flight
| > training/ ... Flight Training. The TSA rule initially
| > defined "flight training" as instruction received ...
|
| Oh, that training. I already took that. I thought he was
talking about
| something else.
|
| What we really need is better graphics, a 'shooter' game
interface
| where we blow terrorists off the tarmac. :-)
|

[Michael]

> Has anyone gone to the trouble of getting TSA certified to provide
> foreign flight training on this list?

I did. They didn't even make me come in. I filled out the application
on the TSA web site, and then called the FSDO for my passwoed. They
had no idea they were supposed to be involved, but after looking at the
web site conceded that they were. They emailed me my password a few
weeks later.

Michael

[BTIZ]

> Every active CFI is required to have taken the TSA course.
> It is also recommended that inactive CFIs also take the
> course.

Not true, glider only CFIs are not required to take the course, and are not
required to check student credentials for nationality.

BT

[Robert M. Gary]

You are mixing up two things. There is no test necessary, just need to
show a passport at the FSDO. I think you may be thinking of is the CFI
TSA certificate, something every CFI in the country is legally required
to have.


> All of the instructors at my facility did the TSA training and
> "certified" for annual records. We only have a few foreign students but
> the boss wanted to get us all under the umbrella. The "training" course
> is laughable and simply means you keep bucking it up a level to your
> supervisor!!

[Robert M. Gary]

> Oh, that training. I already took that. I thought he was talking about
> something else.

Yes, I am. I applied for the TSA CFI account which allows me to train
foreign students. That is different than the TSA certificate all CFIs
are requied to have. If you are a regular CFI who only took the basic
TSA test you can only teach U.S. citizens.

-Robert

[Robert M. Gary]

I just got my response letter back. I am an "Alien Flight Training
Provider"! How about that.

-Robert

[Mark Hansen]

On 05/18/06 10:25, Robert M. Gary wrote:
> I just got my response letter back. I am an "Alien Flight Training
> Provider"! How about that.
>
> -Robert
>


Well, you're going to have to move to Roswell ;-)

[B A R R Y]

Robert M. Gary wrote:
> I just got my response letter back. I am an "Alien Flight Training
> Provider"!

Area 51 Flight Training, L.L.C?

[.Blueskies.]

"Jim Macklin" > wrote in message news:8Pvag.21759$ZW3.11985@dukeread04...
> Every active CFI is required to have taken the TSA course.
> It is also recommended that inactive CFIs also take the
> course. At flight schools all persons who will deal with
> students, from the receptionist to the mechanics take the
> training and have the school record to prove it.
> All new flight students must prove USA citizenship and that
> must be recorded. Non-citizens must pass a TSA/HS
> background check before training.
>


How is this handled for independent CFIs?

[Robert M. Gary]

> How is this handled for independent CFIs?

Just the independant CFI must take the test. It actually all works for
ind CFIs its just more confusing. Also, if a student wants to fly with
2 independant CFIs he needs to do his entire background check twice
(once for each and every independant CFI he flys with)

[Jim Macklin]

The AOPA FIRCs [flight instructor refresher course] is now
including TSA training, In addition, the AOPA on-line has
the TSA course and you can get it directly from the TSA
website.
There is an initial and a TSA refresher.



--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

".Blueskies." > wrote in
message
. com...
|
| "Jim Macklin" > wrote
in message news:8Pvag.21759$ZW3.11985@dukeread04...
| > Every active CFI is required to have taken the TSA
course.
| > It is also recommended that inactive CFIs also take the
| > course. At flight schools all persons who will deal
with
| > students, from the receptionist to the mechanics take
the
| > training and have the school record to prove it.
| > All new flight students must prove USA citizenship and
that
| > must be recorded. Non-citizens must pass a TSA/HS
| > background check before training.
| >
|
|
| How is this handled for independent CFIs?
|
|

[Roger]

On 16 May 2006 19:17:25 -0700, "Ol Shy & Bashful"
> wrote:

>All of the instructors at my facility did the TSA training and
>"certified" for annual records. We only have a few foreign students but
>the boss wanted to get us all under the umbrella. The "training" course
>is laughable and simply means you keep bucking it up a level to your
>supervisor!!
>Not a big deal at all but I resent having to do the paperwork for TSA
>and the record keeping that is required "under penalty of law..." Got
>it shoved in our faces and stuffed down our throats.
>National Identity Card coming next and I have been predicting that for

The national idenity card already exists. It is called the
Standardized drivers license. All states use it except 3 or 4. That
card should be good for eliminating the need for FAA photo licenses as
any one who gets a pilots license is going to need a driver's license
with only a few exceptions.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

>20 years now. Some called me nuts and worse and that isn't the end of
>my predictions either. Wish I was wrong but my batting average on these
>things is nearly perfect to this point.
>Rocky

[Robert M. Gary]

> The AOPA FIRCs [flight instructor refresher course] is now including TSA training,

But, again this has little to do with the original post of becoming an
Alien Flight Training Provider. Taking the TSA course alone restricts
you to providing training to U.S. citizens only.
-Robert

[Ol Shy & Bashful]

John Lear is Chief Flight Instructor

[Ol Shy & Bashful]

John Lear is Chief Flight Instructor there too.