FAA announces end of the 8710 form!!

[Robert M. Gary]

The FAA is slowly removing the requirement to fill out 8710's for
ratings. There is a new web site.
http://aera.faa.gov
The student fills out their checkride app, you approve it as the CFI,
the DE approve it after the checkride and the web site prints a
temporary certificate. All the DE's in the Sacramento FSDO are now
required to have laptops to work with this. The FSDO is excited about
this because Oklahama gets the app in seconds and there is no lost
paperwork.

-Robert

[Robert M. Gary]

Opps, wrong web address..
http://acra.faa.gov/acra/default.htm

-Robert

[Greg Esres]

This site has been up for at least a year. I registered, then forgot
my loginid, and found that I had to call them during the working hours
to get it. I never do this sort of thing during daylight hours. ;-)
So I've never used it.

Instructors who do use it say the site is confusing.

I find 8710 forms quite easy to use with an electronic document to
fill in,such as word or acrobat.





On 17 May 2006 20:06:47 -0700, "Robert M. Gary" >
wrote:

>The FAA is slowly removing the requirement to fill out 8710's for
>ratings. There is a new web site.
>http://aera.faa.gov
>The student fills out their checkride app, you approve it as the CFI,
>the DE approve it after the checkride and the web site prints a
>temporary certificate. All the DE's in the Sacramento FSDO are now
>required to have laptops to work with this. The FSDO is excited about
>this because Oklahama gets the app in seconds and there is no lost
>paperwork.
>
>-Robert

[Robert M. Gary]

The 8710 method requires a log book endorsements for the checkride,
etc. The FSDO says if you use the on-line system you do not need to
make any log book endorsements whatsoever for the checkride. The
examiner just approves the checkride on the on-line system and its
done.

-Robert

[BTIZ]

so what is the mandatory implementation date country wide.

BT

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
ps.com...
> The FAA is slowly removing the requirement to fill out 8710's for
> ratings. There is a new web site.
> http://aera.faa.gov
> The student fills out their checkride app, you approve it as the CFI,
> the DE approve it after the checkride and the web site prints a
> temporary certificate. All the DE's in the Sacramento FSDO are now
> required to have laptops to work with this. The FSDO is excited about
> this because Oklahama gets the app in seconds and there is no lost
> paperwork.
>
> -Robert
>

[FLAV8R]

"Robert M. Gary" < wrote in message...
> The FSDO is excited about
> this because Oklahama gets the app in seconds and there is no lost
> paperwork.
>
> -Robert
>
Wanna bet?
Google IACRA lost forms and you'll have plenty of examples.
There's even one on rec.aviation.student right now.

David

[Wiz]

They lost mine. Submitted by IACRA on 1/28 - I kept calling and they
had no explanatin as to why it hadn't been processed. A couple of
weeks ago, I called, someone dug and found out that it had "lost" and
never been put through processing. She apologized, but said she had no
idea why that happened. It was finally approved Friday of last week.

Ten more days until my temporary expires, but they said they would fax
me a copy of the card if it didn't arrive in time.

Wiz

FLAV8R wrote:
> "Robert M. Gary" < wrote in message...
> > The FSDO is excited about
> > this because Oklahama gets the app in seconds and there is no lost
> > paperwork.
> >
> > -Robert
> >
> Wanna bet?
> Google IACRA lost forms and you'll have plenty of examples.
> There's even one on rec.aviation.student right now.
>
> David

[Robert M. Gary]

That's probably why it was in Beta. They claim its now ready. I'm just
glad my customers don't make their buy decisions on beta software we've
sent them.

-robert

[Greg Esres]

<<The FSDO says if you use the on-line system you do not need to
make any log book endorsements whatsoever for the checkride.>>

I find this hard to believe. The logbook endorsements are required by
law.

[Roger]

On Thu, 18 May 2006 03:40:15 -0400, "FLAV8R"
> wrote:

>"Robert M. Gary" < wrote in message...
>> The FSDO is excited about
>> this because Oklahama gets the app in seconds and there is no lost
>> paperwork.
>>
>> -Robert
>>
>Wanna bet?
>Google IACRA lost forms and you'll have plenty of examples.
>There's even one on rec.aviation.student right now.

As almost any computing professional will attest. There is no such
thing as a successful paperless office. Go strictly to computers and
you are almost guaranteed to lose some information sooner or later.
Of course if you keep rolling backups and backup of the back ups in a
different location as is required in industry it's a little different.
Even then paper is used for short term. The problem with a computer
is when you lose the information that isn't backed up it is gone,
often with no way of conveniently retrieving it.

I know of one large system that was backed up every day at midnight
with a rolling back up. It failed at 2:00 PM. The backs ups restored
everything up till midnight, but all of the data from many labs
through the corporation had go be re-entered from midnight until the
time of the failure. That was many hundreds of hours with a recharge
rate of close to $100 per hour, or some where between $150,000 and
$250,000 dollars.

Yesterday we received a call from our vet. Seems as their computer
system crashed. They lost all of their billing records for the last
two weeks. They have to rebuild all of that one record at a time.

Even large corporations lose computer information. OTOH there are
times they probably wish they could.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

>
>David
>

[Wiz]

Yeah, unfortunately the DPE at my home field insists on IACRA.

Robert M. Gary wrote:
> That's probably why it was in Beta. They claim its now ready. I'm just
> glad my customers don't make their buy decisions on beta software we've
> sent them.
>
> -robert

[Chris G.]

My DPE for the PP-ASEL checkride last summer told me not to use the
IACRA. I'd already registered and was nearly ready to press the
"SUBMIT" button to submit my app electronically. The DPE told me that
this was actually more reliable. And it was!

Chris G.
PP-ASEL
Salem, Oregon


Wiz wrote:
> Yeah, unfortunately the DPE at my home field insists on IACRA.
>
> Robert M. Gary wrote:
>> That's probably why it was in Beta. They claim its now ready. I'm just
>> glad my customers don't make their buy decisions on beta software we've
>> sent them.
>>
>> -robert
>

[cjcampbell]

Robert M. Gary wrote:
> The FAA is slowly removing the requirement to fill out 8710's for
> ratings. There is a new web site.
> http://aera.faa.gov

I started using it a couple years ago, but there were bugs with it. The
site made extensive use of pop-ups and cookies that anti-virus software
interfered with. I was the only instructor at PAVCO that ever got it to
work. But if it works, it is great. Just remember that even if you can
get it to work, your students might have trouble with it.