WTB: 135 Ticket

[AML]

I am in the market for a 135 operation. I am finding out that going
through the FAA would take about a year and I don't have the time to
wait that long. If anybody has one for sale or knows someone that is
thinking about selling it, let me know.

Thanks
Aaron

[Jim Burns]

More than just a year.... I know of one local FBO that recently got their
135 cert after originally applying over 3 years ago. Even with the boiler
plate procedure manuals and a chief pilot currently working part 135, the
FSDO inspectors put them on the "rewrite required" carousel time after time
and the re-inspections took months to reschedule. If I didn't know better,
it appeared as if they were attempting to wear them down to the point that
they'd withdraw their application.
Jim

"AML" > wrote in message
...
> I am in the market for a 135 operation. I am finding out that going
> through the FAA would take about a year and I don't have the time to
> wait that long. If anybody has one for sale or knows someone that is
> thinking about selling it, let me know.
>
> Thanks
> Aaron

[AML]

In article >,
"Jim Burns" > wrote:

> More than just a year.... I know of one local FBO that recently got their
> 135 cert after originally applying over 3 years ago. Even with the boiler
> plate procedure manuals and a chief pilot currently working part 135, the
> FSDO inspectors put them on the "rewrite required" carousel time after time
> and the re-inspections took months to reschedule. If I didn't know better,
> it appeared as if they were attempting to wear them down to the point that
> they'd withdraw their application.
> Jim
>
> "AML" > wrote in message
> ...
> > I am in the market for a 135 operation. I am finding out that going
> > through the FAA would take about a year and I don't have the time to
> > wait that long. If anybody has one for sale or knows someone that is
> > thinking about selling it, let me know.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Aaron
>
>

That is what has been my understanding. The FAA does not want to give
out anymore 135 tickets, so instead we are just going to buy one. We
were looking into getting a 414 and now are looking into a Seneca III. A
pretty big difference, but it is cheaper to start out in. I don't know
much about Senecas so I am busy familiarizing myself with them.

[Peter Clark]

On Wed, 24 May 2006 15:05:37 GMT, AML >
wrote:

>In article >,
> "Jim Burns" > wrote:
>
>> More than just a year.... I know of one local FBO that recently got their
>> 135 cert after originally applying over 3 years ago. Even with the boiler
>> plate procedure manuals and a chief pilot currently working part 135, the
>> FSDO inspectors put them on the "rewrite required" carousel time after time
>> and the re-inspections took months to reschedule. If I didn't know better,
>> it appeared as if they were attempting to wear them down to the point that
>> they'd withdraw their application.
>> Jim
>>
>> "AML" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > I am in the market for a 135 operation. I am finding out that going
>> > through the FAA would take about a year and I don't have the time to
>> > wait that long. If anybody has one for sale or knows someone that is
>> > thinking about selling it, let me know.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> > Aaron
>>
>>
>
>That is what has been my understanding. The FAA does not want to give
>out anymore 135 tickets, so instead we are just going to buy one. We
>were looking into getting a 414 and now are looking into a Seneca III. A
>pretty big difference, but it is cheaper to start out in. I don't know
>much about Senecas so I am busy familiarizing myself with them.

Would you not still have all the same issues with having to write the
required opspecs for the specific aircraft you want to attach 135 to?

[Jim Macklin]

New owner, new certificate... new airplanes,

Old rule of thumb, if you want to make a small fortune in
aviation, start with a large fortune.



"Peter Clark" >
wrote in message
...
| On Wed, 24 May 2006 15:05:37 GMT, AML
>
| wrote:
|
| >In article >,
| > "Jim Burns" > wrote:
| >
| >> More than just a year.... I know of one local FBO that
recently got their
| >> 135 cert after originally applying over 3 years ago.
Even with the boiler
| >> plate procedure manuals and a chief pilot currently
working part 135, the
| >> FSDO inspectors put them on the "rewrite required"
carousel time after time
| >> and the re-inspections took months to reschedule. If I
didn't know better,
| >> it appeared as if they were attempting to wear them
down to the point that
| >> they'd withdraw their application.
| >> Jim
| >>
| >> "AML" > wrote in message
| >>
...
| >> > I am in the market for a 135 operation. I am finding
out that going
| >> > through the FAA would take about a year and I don't
have the time to
| >> > wait that long. If anybody has one for sale or knows
someone that is
| >> > thinking about selling it, let me know.
| >> >
| >> > Thanks
| >> > Aaron
| >>
| >>
| >
| >That is what has been my understanding. The FAA does not
want to give
| >out anymore 135 tickets, so instead we are just going to
buy one. We
| >were looking into getting a 414 and now are looking into
a Seneca III. A
| >pretty big difference, but it is cheaper to start out in.
I don't know
| >much about Senecas so I am busy familiarizing myself with
them.
|
| Would you not still have all the same issues with having
to write the
| required opspecs for the specific aircraft you want to
attach 135 to?

[AML]

In article >,
Peter Clark > wrote:

> On Wed, 24 May 2006 15:05:37 GMT, AML >
> wrote:
>
> >In article >,
> > "Jim Burns" > wrote:
> >
> >> More than just a year.... I know of one local FBO that recently got their
> >> 135 cert after originally applying over 3 years ago. Even with the boiler
> >> plate procedure manuals and a chief pilot currently working part 135, the
> >> FSDO inspectors put them on the "rewrite required" carousel time after time
> >> and the re-inspections took months to reschedule. If I didn't know better,
> >> it appeared as if they were attempting to wear them down to the point that
> >> they'd withdraw their application.
> >> Jim
> >>
> >> "AML" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> > I am in the market for a 135 operation. I am finding out that going
> >> > through the FAA would take about a year and I don't have the time to
> >> > wait that long. If anybody has one for sale or knows someone that is
> >> > thinking about selling it, let me know.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks
> >> > Aaron
> >>
> >>
> >
> >That is what has been my understanding. The FAA does not want to give
> >out anymore 135 tickets, so instead we are just going to buy one. We
> >were looking into getting a 414 and now are looking into a Seneca III. A
> >pretty big difference, but it is cheaper to start out in. I don't know
> >much about Senecas so I am busy familiarizing myself with them.
>
> Would you not still have all the same issues with having to write the
> required opspecs for the specific aircraft you want to attach 135 to?

We are looking for a plane that already has a 135 ticket on it. Sorry, I
should been a little more specific.

[Jim Macklin]

It is not the airplane, it is the owner/operator who is
certificated. Since you don't seem to understand FAR 135,
the FAA will be more careful in reviewing and approving your
application. What is it that you want to do, carry the
general public, transport prisoners, fly cargo?


"AML" > wrote in message
...
| In article >,
| Peter Clark >
wrote:
|
| > On Wed, 24 May 2006 15:05:37 GMT, AML
>
| > wrote:
| >
| > >In article >,
| > > "Jim Burns" > wrote:
| > >
| > >> More than just a year.... I know of one local FBO
that recently got their
| > >> 135 cert after originally applying over 3 years ago.
Even with the boiler
| > >> plate procedure manuals and a chief pilot currently
working part 135, the
| > >> FSDO inspectors put them on the "rewrite required"
carousel time after time
| > >> and the re-inspections took months to reschedule. If
I didn't know better,
| > >> it appeared as if they were attempting to wear them
down to the point that
| > >> they'd withdraw their application.
| > >> Jim
| > >>
| > >> "AML" > wrote in message
| > >>
...
| > >> > I am in the market for a 135 operation. I am
finding out that going
| > >> > through the FAA would take about a year and I don't
have the time to
| > >> > wait that long. If anybody has one for sale or
knows someone that is
| > >> > thinking about selling it, let me know.
| > >> >
| > >> > Thanks
| > >> > Aaron
| > >>
| > >>
| > >
| > >That is what has been my understanding. The FAA does
not want to give
| > >out anymore 135 tickets, so instead we are just going
to buy one. We
| > >were looking into getting a 414 and now are looking
into a Seneca III. A
| > >pretty big difference, but it is cheaper to start out
in. I don't know
| > >much about Senecas so I am busy familiarizing myself
with them.
| >
| > Would you not still have all the same issues with having
to write the
| > required opspecs for the specific aircraft you want to
attach 135 to?
|
| We are looking for a plane that already has a 135 ticket
on it. Sorry, I
| should been a little more specific.

[karl gruber]

Sounds like you are going to have a rough time.

The "certificate holder" has the certificate....not the airplane.

Sounds like pie in the sky to me. It is difficult just to get in the front
door of the FSDO these days.

Good luck and I hope you have a lot of time and money!

Karl
ATP, CFI, ex-chief pilot, director of operations.... PT135, ETC
"Curator" N185KG
Top Poster, and proud of it!


"AML" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Peter Clark > wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 24 May 2006 15:05:37 GMT, AML >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In article >,
>> > "Jim Burns" > wrote:
>> >
>> >> More than just a year.... I know of one local FBO that recently got
>> >> their
>> >> 135 cert after originally applying over 3 years ago. Even with the
>> >> boiler
>> >> plate procedure manuals and a chief pilot currently working part 135,
>> >> the
>> >> FSDO inspectors put them on the "rewrite required" carousel time after
>> >> time
>> >> and the re-inspections took months to reschedule. If I didn't know
>> >> better,
>> >> it appeared as if they were attempting to wear them down to the point
>> >> that
>> >> they'd withdraw their application.
>> >> Jim
>> >>
>> >> "AML" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> > I am in the market for a 135 operation. I am finding out that going
>> >> > through the FAA would take about a year and I don't have the time to
>> >> > wait that long. If anybody has one for sale or knows someone that is
>> >> > thinking about selling it, let me know.
>> >> >
>> >> > Thanks
>> >> > Aaron
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >That is what has been my understanding. The FAA does not want to give
>> >out anymore 135 tickets, so instead we are just going to buy one. We
>> >were looking into getting a 414 and now are looking into a Seneca III. A
>> >pretty big difference, but it is cheaper to start out in. I don't know
>> >much about Senecas so I am busy familiarizing myself with them.
>>
>> Would you not still have all the same issues with having to write the
>> required opspecs for the specific aircraft you want to attach 135 to?
>
> We are looking for a plane that already has a 135 ticket on it. Sorry, I
> should been a little more specific.

[Jim Burns]

"karl gruber" > wrote in message
<snip>
> It is difficult just to get in the front
> door of the FSDO these days.

That made me laugh.

The last time I was at our local FSDO, they had just remodeled it, complete
with the latest TSA security measures. I had to talk to the receptionist
through a hole in a window, then press a button, then she pressed a button
and it was supposed to unlock the door so I could get in. Must have been a
big learning curve to the button system, took us about 5 times to make it
happen.

Then on the way out, she had to do the same thing. I was in the same room,
on the same side of the door as her, and she had to push a button to let me
out... weird... I asked her who would push the button if the building was on
fire...

So, you're right, it's hard to get in and out of the FSDO's front door these
days.

Jim

[Jim Macklin]

Not often. You arrange to lease an airplane, hire a
qualified director of operation and chief pilot and contract
for maintenance. You all sit down and write your ops manual
and have it reviewed by the FAA. The FAA will approve the
paperwork and inspect you physical equipment, including
office space, airplanes and HR department. You will train
pilots who will take check rides every 6 month with the FAA
until you have qualified a check-airman for your company.

There are consultants who will help with the start-up, for a
fee. You'll need to have at least full-time use of one
airplane, but may have more. Each airplane must be properly
equipped and inspected. You will need lots of money to
start.

It can take 6 months to 2 years to get the first paying
passenger. You need to hire qualified staff and an aviation
attorney.


"AML" > wrote in message
...
| In article <ep%cg.23677$ZW3.21949@dukeread04>,
| "Jim Macklin" >
wrote:
|
| > It is not the airplane, it is the owner/operator who is
| > certificated. Since you don't seem to understand FAR
135,
| > the FAA will be more careful in reviewing and approving
your
| > application. What is it that you want to do, carry the
| > general public, transport prisoners, fly cargo?
| >
| >
| > "AML" > wrote in message
| >
...
| > | In article
>,
| > | Peter Clark >
| > wrote:
| > |
| > | > On Wed, 24 May 2006 15:05:37 GMT, AML
| > >
| > | > wrote:
| > | >
| > | > >In article >,
| > | > > "Jim Burns" >
wrote:
| > | > >
| > | > >> More than just a year.... I know of one local FBO
| > that recently got their
| > | > >> 135 cert after originally applying over 3 years
ago.
| > Even with the boiler
| > | > >> plate procedure manuals and a chief pilot
currently
| > working part 135, the
| > | > >> FSDO inspectors put them on the "rewrite
required"
| > carousel time after time
| > | > >> and the re-inspections took months to reschedule.
If
| > I didn't know better,
| > | > >> it appeared as if they were attempting to wear
them
| > down to the point that
| > | > >> they'd withdraw their application.
| > | > >> Jim
| > | > >>
| > | > >> "AML" > wrote in
message
| > | > >>
| >
...
| > | > >> > I am in the market for a 135 operation. I am
| > finding out that going
| > | > >> > through the FAA would take about a year and I
don't
| > have the time to
| > | > >> > wait that long. If anybody has one for sale or
| > knows someone that is
| > | > >> > thinking about selling it, let me know.
| > | > >> >
| > | > >> > Thanks
| > | > >> > Aaron
| > | > >>
| > | > >>
| > | > >
| > | > >That is what has been my understanding. The FAA
does
| > not want to give
| > | > >out anymore 135 tickets, so instead we are just
going
| > to buy one. We
| > | > >were looking into getting a 414 and now are looking
| > into a Seneca III. A
| > | > >pretty big difference, but it is cheaper to start
out
| > in. I don't know
| > | > >much about Senecas so I am busy familiarizing
myself
| > with them.
| > | >
| > | > Would you not still have all the same issues with
having
| > to write the
| > | > required opspecs for the specific aircraft you want
to
| > attach 135 to?
| > |
| > | We are looking for a plane that already has a 135
ticket
| > on it. Sorry, I
| > | should been a little more specific.
| >
| >
|
| We plan on flying passengers.
|
| I will be the first to admit that I do not know much about
135, but I
| need to start somewhere. I am reading the application
process from the
| FAA and it is pretty lengthy.
|
| Let me ask, do people buy a 135 operation, tweak the
specs, get it
| approved, and off they go?

[gatt]

"Jim Burns" > wrote in message
...
>
> So, you're right, it's hard to get in and out of the FSDO's front door
> these
> days.

The more I hear about all this nonsensical bureaucratic crap, the more I
remember why I bought a boat.


-c

[Capt.Doug]

>"AML" wrote in message
> Let me ask, do people buy a 135 operation, tweak the specs, get it
> approved, and off they go?

One doesn't buy an air taxi certificate. One buys the company that holds the
certificate. If the management personel required by the FAA stay unchanged
(director of operations, chief pilot, and director of maintenance), the FAA
doesn't care. With a single-pilot operating certificate, one person can hold
all 3 positions, if the FAA considers that person qualified.

As you may have guessed, the intrinsic value of a company holding an
operating certificate is rather high just because the FAA doesn't want to
issue new certificates. The C-414's direct operating costs are similar to
the Seneca's. Customers will prefer the C-414's size and pressurization, but
the wingspar thing hasn't been completely settled.

Caveat-Emptor! Starting in July, the FAA will audit all 135 operators
looking for piggy-back operations (rent-a-certificates). In August, they
will either issue a new Ops Spec banning piggy-backs, or shut down the
operation.

D.

[John Gaquin]

"AML" > wrote in message
>
> Let me ask, do people buy a 135 operation, tweak the specs, get it
> approved, and off they go?

If it were easy, everyone would do it. Your seemingly cavalier attitude
will likely have the Fed watching you even more closely, as it ought.
You're talking about an airline, not a lemonade stand.

[AML]

In article >,
"John Gaquin" > wrote:

> "AML" > wrote in message
> >
> > Let me ask, do people buy a 135 operation, tweak the specs, get it
> > approved, and off they go?
>
> If it were easy, everyone would do it. Your seemingly cavalier attitude
> will likely have the Fed watching you even more closely, as it ought.
> You're talking about an airline, not a lemonade stand.
>
>

You know, I come on these boards looking for advice and I get more posts
on my attitude and how flippant I am being than actual advice. I have
yet to have one post tell me an article to read or website to go to. I
know the FAA website would be a place to start, but I want specific
articles. I also have people that I work with that I have been bouncing
ideas off of, but I thought the boards might also be a place to go also.

Giving me advice on where to look is a lot more helpful than giving me
advice on my attitude. If I did have a cavalier attitude I would be
concerned because that is not who I am. Honestly, teaching people how to
fly keeps a person pretty humble.

[Peter Duniho]

"AML" > wrote in message
...
> You know, I come on these boards looking for advice and I get more posts
> on my attitude and how flippant I am being than actual advice.

Welcome to Usenet (and life). It's a lot easier to tell someone why what
they want to do won't work than to tell them how to do it.

It was worth a try to ask here, but you are likely to get a better, more
informative response from your local FSDO, an NBAA representative (I'm
assuming that NBAA offers AOPA-like help to the more "corporate" crowd), or
even AOPA (you never know, they might know something :) ).

Pete

[Jim Macklin]

Advice, freely given is worth what it costs, but here you
go.
http://www.nata.aero/index.jsp

http://www.house.gov/transportation/aviation/03-22-06/bunce.pdf

http://www.alaskaaircarriers.org/members_active.shtml

http://www.inc.com/magazine/20020601/24256.html

Google, call a college business school, most have free
advice available.

Call a manufacturer, they always want to sell airplanes and
start-up businesses buy airplanes.


"AML" > wrote in message
...
| In article >,
| "John Gaquin" > wrote:
|
| > "AML" > wrote in message
| > >
| > > Let me ask, do people buy a 135 operation, tweak the
specs, get it
| > > approved, and off they go?
| >
| > If it were easy, everyone would do it. Your seemingly
cavalier attitude
| > will likely have the Fed watching you even more closely,
as it ought.
| > You're talking about an airline, not a lemonade stand.
| >
| >
|
| You know, I come on these boards looking for advice and I
get more posts
| on my attitude and how flippant I am being than actual
advice. I have
| yet to have one post tell me an article to read or website
to go to. I
| know the FAA website would be a place to start, but I want
specific
| articles. I also have people that I work with that I have
been bouncing
| ideas off of, but I thought the boards might also be a
place to go also.
|
| Giving me advice on where to look is a lot more helpful
than giving me
| advice on my attitude. If I did have a cavalier attitude I
would be
| concerned because that is not who I am. Honestly, teaching
people how to
| fly keeps a person pretty humble.

[Steve Foley]

"AML" > wrote in message
...
>I am in the market for a 135 operation. I am finding out that going
> through the FAA would take about a year and I don't have the time to
> wait that long. If anybody has one for sale or knows someone that is
> thinking about selling it, let me know.
>
> Thanks
> Aaron

Something else to consider is to simply hire a 135 operator. Hooters did it.
I doubt they would have done better if they owned the aircraft.

[John Gaquin]

"AML" > wrote in message
>
> You know, I come on these boards looking for advice and I get more posts
> on my attitude and how flippant I am being than actual advice.

So -- my take is not unique. There's a message there, somewhere.

[AML]

In article <k9cdg.23740$ZW3.10584@dukeread04>,
"Jim Macklin" > wrote:

> Advice, freely given is worth what it costs, but here you
> go.
> http://www.nata.aero/index.jsp
>
> http://www.house.gov/transportation/aviation/03-22-06/bunce.pdf
>
> http://www.alaskaaircarriers.org/members_active.shtml
>
> http://www.inc.com/magazine/20020601/24256.html
>
> Google, call a college business school, most have free
> advice available.
>
> Call a manufacturer, they always want to sell airplanes and
> start-up businesses buy airplanes.
>
>
> "AML" > wrote in message
> ...
> | In article >,
> | "John Gaquin" > wrote:
> |
> | > "AML" > wrote in message
> | > >
> | > > Let me ask, do people buy a 135 operation, tweak the
> specs, get it
> | > > approved, and off they go?
> | >
> | > If it were easy, everyone would do it. Your seemingly
> cavalier attitude
> | > will likely have the Fed watching you even more closely,
> as it ought.
> | > You're talking about an airline, not a lemonade stand.
> | >
> | >
> |
> | You know, I come on these boards looking for advice and I
> get more posts
> | on my attitude and how flippant I am being than actual
> advice. I have
> | yet to have one post tell me an article to read or website
> to go to. I
> | know the FAA website would be a place to start, but I want
> specific
> | articles. I also have people that I work with that I have
> been bouncing
> | ideas off of, but I thought the boards might also be a
> place to go also.
> |
> | Giving me advice on where to look is a lot more helpful
> than giving me
> | advice on my attitude. If I did have a cavalier attitude I
> would be
> | concerned because that is not who I am. Honestly, teaching
> people how to
> | fly keeps a person pretty humble.
>
>

Thank you.

[Robert M. Gary]

In addition to what others said, I believe the 135 operation is
certified by the FSDO region they are in. If you buy the 135 operation
and move it you may need to reapply for the certificate. BTW: Our
Sacramento FSDO guy said it shouldn't be too hard to get a 135
certificate. Of course insurance is tough.
-Robert

[gatt]

"AML" > wrote in message news:ambridge-

>>Your seemingly cavalier attitude
>> will likely have the Fed watching you even more closely, as it ought.
>> You're talking about an airline, not a lemonade stand.
>
> You know, I come on these boards looking for advice and I get more posts
> on my attitude and how flippant I am being than actual advice

Yep. For every useful response there are a bunch of pompous asses that
want to pass judgement or scold you in front of their usenet pals.

Comes with the turf. Hopefully you'll get your answer. I shot a note to a
local 135 operator / friend to see if he had any resources, but he appears
to be on vacation.

-c

[Jim Macklin]

You're welcome.


"AML" > wrote in message
...
| In article <k9cdg.23740$ZW3.10584@dukeread04>,
| "Jim Macklin" >
wrote:
|
| > Advice, freely given is worth what it costs, but here
you
| > go.
| > http://www.nata.aero/index.jsp
| >
| >
http://www.house.gov/transportation/aviation/03-22-06/bunce.pdf
| >
| >
http://www.alaskaaircarriers.org/members_active.shtml
| >
| > http://www.inc.com/magazine/20020601/24256.html
| >
| > Google, call a college business school, most have
free
| > advice available.
| >
| > Call a manufacturer, they always want to sell airplanes
and
| > start-up businesses buy airplanes.
| >
| >
| > "AML" > wrote in message
| >
...
| > | In article
>,
| > | "John Gaquin" > wrote:
| > |
| > | > "AML" > wrote in
message
| > | > >
| > | > > Let me ask, do people buy a 135 operation, tweak
the
| > specs, get it
| > | > > approved, and off they go?
| > | >
| > | > If it were easy, everyone would do it. Your
seemingly
| > cavalier attitude
| > | > will likely have the Fed watching you even more
closely,
| > as it ought.
| > | > You're talking about an airline, not a lemonade
stand.
| > | >
| > | >
| > |
| > | You know, I come on these boards looking for advice
and I
| > get more posts
| > | on my attitude and how flippant I am being than actual
| > advice. I have
| > | yet to have one post tell me an article to read or
website
| > to go to. I
| > | know the FAA website would be a place to start, but I
want
| > specific
| > | articles. I also have people that I work with that I
have
| > been bouncing
| > | ideas off of, but I thought the boards might also be a
| > place to go also.
| > |
| > | Giving me advice on where to look is a lot more
helpful
| > than giving me
| > | advice on my attitude. If I did have a cavalier
attitude I
| > would be
| > | concerned because that is not who I am. Honestly,
teaching
| > people how to
| > | fly keeps a person pretty humble.
| >
| >
|
| Thank you.

[AML]

In article >,
"gatt" > wrote:

> "AML" > wrote in message news:ambridge-
>
> >>Your seemingly cavalier attitude
> >> will likely have the Fed watching you even more closely, as it ought.
> >> You're talking about an airline, not a lemonade stand.
> >
> > You know, I come on these boards looking for advice and I get more posts
> > on my attitude and how flippant I am being than actual advice
>
> Yep. For every useful response there are a bunch of pompous asses that
> want to pass judgement or scold you in front of their usenet pals.
>
> Comes with the turf. Hopefully you'll get your answer. I shot a note to a
> local 135 operator / friend to see if he had any resources, but he appears
> to be on vacation.
>
> -c
>
>

The owner of our flight school used to be a part of a 135 and used a
Seneca as the airplane. Funny, that is exactly what we ware doing. The
question now is how much do we offer him to help us with the pre-135
paperwork to the actual certification? Any suggestion on a price?

Thanks again.

[AML]

In article . com>,
"Robert M. Gary" > wrote:

> In addition to what others said, I believe the 135 operation is
> certified by the FSDO region they are in. If you buy the 135 operation
> and move it you may need to reapply for the certificate. BTW: Our
> Sacramento FSDO guy said it shouldn't be too hard to get a 135
> certificate. Of course insurance is tough.
> -Robert
>

Getting a 135 isn't too hard, that is right, but it takes a while to get
it. We kinda want to get this started by fall, so we'll see. I am not
even at the 135 minimums yet, but I will be easily by fall. I have been
flying the dead legs with a local 135 operator, so my twin time is
building up quickly. To be honest, I am very wet behind the ears for
time.

[Capt.Doug]

>"AML" wrote in message
> The owner of our flight school used to be a part of a 135 and used a
> Seneca as the airplane. Funny, that is exactly what we ware doing. The
> question now is how much do we offer him to help us with the pre-135
> paperwork to the actual certification? Any suggestion on a price?

A fellow around here charges $1500 to supply all the manuals. He has them on
computer and makes changes as neccessary. The local FSDO is content with his
manuals and even recommends him to prospective operators.

D.

[Doug]

Whatever training you have now and before the 135 op won't satisfy the
FAA. They will want more training of a specific type. Also, your
biggest problem is going to be finding an IA that will do 135
maintenance. The FAA's main concern is going to be your aircraft
maintenance. It is easier if you buy a new plane or a used plane
already under 135 maintenance, but ask around of the local IA's. That
is your biggest bottleneck, aircraft maintenance.

[AML]

In article >,
"Capt.Doug" > wrote:

> >"AML" wrote in message
> > The owner of our flight school used to be a part of a 135 and used a
> > Seneca as the airplane. Funny, that is exactly what we ware doing. The
> > question now is how much do we offer him to help us with the pre-135
> > paperwork to the actual certification? Any suggestion on a price?
>
> A fellow around here charges $1500 to supply all the manuals. He has them on
> computer and makes changes as neccessary. The local FSDO is content with his
> manuals and even recommends him to prospective operators.
>
> D.
>
>

I may ask for his services, but not yet.

Thanks

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"AML" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> "Capt.Doug" > wrote:
>
>> >"AML" wrote in message
>> > The owner of our flight school used to be a part of a 135 and used a
>> > Seneca as the airplane. Funny, that is exactly what we ware doing. The
>> > question now is how much do we offer him to help us with the pre-135
>> > paperwork to the actual certification? Any suggestion on a price?
>>
>> A fellow around here charges $1500 to supply all the manuals. He has them
>> on
>> computer and makes changes as neccessary. The local FSDO is content with
>> his
>> manuals and even recommends him to prospective operators.
>>
>> D.
>>
>>
>
> I may ask for his services, but not yet.
>
> Thanks


$1500 is the least you are going to pay for anything in this endeavor. I'm
surprised the guy doesn't charge 10 times that amount.

[Capt.Doug]

>"Doug" wrote in message
> Whatever training you have now and before the 135 op won't satisfy the
> FAA. They will want more training of a specific type.

Not neccessarily- For a single-pilot operation, there is NO training
program.

>Also, your
> biggest problem is going to be finding an IA that will do 135
> maintenance.

There are always IAs looking to make money. That isn't a problem. The IA
usually only does the paperwok anyway. A&Ps do the grunt work. Finding A&Ps
on a Sunday afternoon for unscheduled maintenance is the problem.

D.