OTA -- a new twist to "call me when you land"

[Roy Smith]

I heard a bizarre interaction this evening (about 8:00, on 126.4, near
White Plains, NY). The conversation went something like this:

NY Approach: Proceed direct Carmel.

Pilot: Carmel isn't on our route.

NY: It's on the SID. I assigned you the SID. [Note: I'm not sure what SID
they were talking about; I'm guessing it was the Westchester One]

Pilot: No, Carmel's not on the SID.

NY: Yes it is.

They went back and forth for a while, with the pilot insisting Carmel was
not on the SID and the controller insisting it was. Then, it got stranger.

Pilot: OK, tell you what, give me a phone number where I can call you after
I land.

I've heard controllers ask pilots to give them a call, but this is the
first time I've ever heard a pilot insist on calling. Things actually got
a bit more bizarre when, a few minutes later, the HPN ATIS was advertising
Mike and the controller was insisting that somebody should have November :-)

[jmk]

Roy Smith wrote:
> I heard a bizarre interaction this evening (about 8:00, on 126.4, near
> White Plains, NY). The conversation went something like this:
>
> Pilot: OK, tell you what, give me a phone number where I can call you after
> I land.

Sometimes a call is just a call. It's a better way to work something
out than lengthy time on the air.

I've been asked to call the tower when I land (because they wanted to
know more about Angel Flight), and I've asked for a number to call when
I land (once because a controller was upset with me for letting the
wind "blow me off course" when I was assigned "fly runway heading," and
once to thank them more specifically with a Lifeguard flight where
their help saved a life). None of these were "administrative" - just
friendly calls.

[Peter R.]

Roy Smith > wrote:

> Pilot: OK, tell you what, give me a phone number where I can call you after
> I land.
> I've heard controllers ask pilots to give them a call, but this is the
> first time I've ever heard a pilot insist on calling.

LiveATC.net has a recent recorded exchange in their audio clips forum of an
Air Canada pilot getting into a ****ing contest with a Toronto departure
controller because the controller responded "Enough!" to the pilot's
repeated attempt to negotiate past a speed restriction on the busy
frequency.

The pilot then kept insisting on initials and a phone number, to which the
controller declined. It was a very interesting and it continued after the
hand-off with the next controller. A case of a bruised ego that just
couldn't let it go.

If I have time I will download and listen to the LiveATC archives for the
exchange in your example. It might be out there.

> Things actually got
> a bit more bizarre when, a few minutes later, the HPN ATIS was advertising
> Mike and the controller was insisting that somebody should have November :-)

Man, I had that happen once at Syracuse. ATC accidentally skipped several
ATIS letters, jumping from J to P or something like that. When I called
clearance with Juliet, the controller lectured me that there was no way
that I could have received the ATIS, given that they were now at Papa.

I kept my mouth shut (no insistence of a phone number here) and was
rewarded with an airline pilot calling clearance right after me with ATIS
"Juliet."

--
Peter

[jmk]

Peter R. wrote:
> Man, I had that happen once at Syracuse. ATC accidentally skipped several
> ATIS letters, jumping from J to P or something like that. When I called
> clearance with Juliet, the controller lectured me that there was no way
> that I could have received the ATIS, given that they were now at Papa.

For some unknown reason the old Austin airport ATIS used to skip
letters DURING the ATIS. You'd get something like:

"Austin ATIS information Sierra, winds... ... advise you have
information Tango."

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, "jmk" > said:
>For some unknown reason the old Austin airport ATIS used to skip
>letters DURING the ATIS. You'd get something like:
>
>"Austin ATIS information Sierra, winds... ... advise you have
>information Tango."

Rochester NY (ROC) they sometimes get a bit over-zealous trying to reuse
all the NOTAM part of the ATIS when recording the next one, so you'll get
something like "...advise on initial contact you have information
TanAdvise on initial contact you have information Uniform."


--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
Violence is the last resort of the incompetent.
The competent, of course, make it their *first* resort.

[Peter R.]

Paul Tomblin > wrote:

> Rochester NY (ROC) they sometimes get a bit over-zealous trying to reuse
> all the NOTAM part of the ATIS when recording the next one, so you'll get
> something like "...advise on initial contact you have information
> TanAdvise on initial contact you have information Uniform."

That reads like it is more work than it is worth.

--
Peter

[Don Byrer]

You think "Call me when you land" is intimidating?

How about " Come up to the tower and see me"!!!

Me: New ASOS Tech...with NWS...not FAA

First visit to BKL, Burke Lakefront, Cleveland OH ( we're talking in
a truck here, not plane)

....about 6 years before I started flight training...Thank goodness I
was an Amateur radio op and an airband scanner listener...and at least
had a clue about radio etiquette.

---as I remember it...

"Lakefront Ground..uh, Weather vehicle.

"Weather vehicle go ahead"

"Uh....I'm at the base of the tower and need directions to the
ASOS..."

" proceed out to the taxiway..that's Gulf..yep, turn right there. go
down to the end and out the access road...etc etc."

I repaired the equipment and started back....then got "Can you come up
to the tower cab and see me?"

OK, what did I do wrong????

Went up to the cab... the controller just wanted to show me the tower
cab and meet the new tech....


yeesh...I fear no controller now... :)

-Don



Don Byrer
Radar Tech & Smilin' Commercial Pilot Guy
Amateur Radio KJ5KB
kj5kb-at-hotmail.com

"I have slipped the surly bonds of earth; now if I can just land without bending the gear..."
"Watch out for those doves...<smack-smack-smack-smack...>"