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Digital_Vocals
June 12th 06, 06:52 PM
New Garden Airshow (Chester County PA) Photos:


http://phlairline.com/N57-2006/N57-2006.html


(Note: not all are homebuilt. )

Rip
June 13th 06, 01:39 AM
Homebuilders, (and others), if you’re cramped for panel space, have
too many switches for “non-essential” avionics, and want to protect your
electronics installations from start up transients...go here:
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4647303457

I think I have a great product at a great price. Give me your input!

WHAT IS WideWire?
WideWire is a completely solid-state, no moving parts, “On Delay”
switch designed to protect sensitive avionics from start-up transients
and then automatically power up your avionics.

HOW DO I USE WideWire?
WideWire will turn on avionics after a short (1-2 minute) delay,
protecting equipment from the stresses of engine start. After the delay,
the equipment turns on AUTOMATICALLY making important avionics, like
engine analyzers and intercoms, quickly available without the wiring
hassles, panel space, and pilot interaction needed by extra switches.

IS WideWire DIFFICULT TO INSTALL?
Not at all. As it’s name implies, WideWire is simply spliced into the
power supply wire for the equipment you want to protect, and for which
you want an AUTOMATIC power on sequence. It’s like a wide piece of wire!

HOW BIG IS WideWire?
Small. Really small! WideWire is one inch long and ½ inch in diameter.

HOW MUCH CURRENT CAN WideWire HANDLE?
WideWire can continuously carry 3 amps of current at an ambient
temperature of +70*C (+158*F), more than enough for an engine
analyzer, fuel flow indicator, or intercom. Lower ambient temperatures
allow WideWire to carry more current, up to a maximum of 5 amps at room
temperature (+68*F). A 3 amp fuse or circuit breaker will provide full
protection for WideWire and its load with proper wiring technique.

WILL WideWire INTERFERE WITH MY OTHER AVIONICS?
No, it won’t. In this day of “digital”, WideWire is a simple analog
device, designed to ramp up power to the avionics attached to it gently.
You won’t even hear a “pop” or “click” in the headset when WideWire does
its job.

WILL WideWire WORK ON MY 28 VOLT SYSTEM?
Absolutely! WideWire will work reliably over the range of 5 to 30
volts, but the time delay will vary. On a 28 volt aircraft, the “On
Delay” will be roughly 30 seconds, more than enough time for protection
from engine start-up transients.

WILL WideWire TIME DELAY EVERY TIME I CYCLE POWER?
No, it won’t. The turn-on delay function of WideWire also works in
reverse. It has to be turned off for a period roughly equal to its
turn-on delay before it will delay again. So the equipment powered by
WideWire will be instantly ON if you cycle the aircraft power after
WideWire has come on line. This is a valuable avionics trouble-shooting
and safety feature built into the design of WideWire.

IS WideWire TSO’d OR PMA’d?
WideWire is built to the highest aerospace standards, but there is no
Technical Standard Order (TSO) for an item like WideWire. Nor is
WideWire Parts Manufacturer Approved (PMA), so it’s only useable on
experimental or homebuilt aircraft. Contact your local FSDO for using
WideWire on certificated aircraft under a field approval. We’ll be glad
to help with engineering documentation.

IS WideWire WARRANTED?
WideWire is unconditionally warranted for 5 years from the date of
purchase. If it fails within that time, just ship it back to us and
we’ll ship you a new WideWire in return, no questions asked.

Jim Logajan
June 13th 06, 02:09 AM
[posted and mailed]

Rip wrote:
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4647303457

You should probably confine your posts to rec.aviation.marketplace or risk
suspension of your account with eBay. According to eBay
(http://pages.ebay.com/help/usenet_policy.html) they state:

"UseNet Policy

eBay users may not post on Usenet groups (Internet newsgroups) to advertise
eBay or an eBay listing that is inappropriate or violates the Usenet board
policy. If Usenet abuse is reported to eBay, we may among other remedies)
remove the listing, issue a warning, temporarily suspend or indefinitely
suspend the offender's eBay account.

We have no tolerance for UseNet abuse and will take action as appropriate.
Please note that we can only take action in cases where it is clear that an
eBay member has posted to the Usenet inappropriately."

Rip
June 13th 06, 03:03 AM
Jim Logajan wrote:

> [posted and mailed]
>
> Rip wrote:
>
>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4647303457
>
>
> You should probably confine your posts to rec.aviation.marketplace or risk
> suspension of your account with eBay. According to eBay
> (http://pages.ebay.com/help/usenet_policy.html) they state:
>
> "UseNet Policy
>
> eBay users may not post on Usenet groups (Internet newsgroups) to advertise
> eBay or an eBay listing that is inappropriate or violates the Usenet board
> policy. If Usenet abuse is reported to eBay, we may among other remedies)
> remove the listing, issue a warning, temporarily suspend or indefinitely
> suspend the offender's eBay account.
>
> We have no tolerance for UseNet abuse and will take action as appropriate.
> Please note that we can only take action in cases where it is clear that an
> eBay member has posted to the Usenet inappropriately."
Thanks, NetNanny. Review "appropriately".

RST Engineering
June 13th 06, 03:36 PM
Ya know, I was just going to shine this little thing on until you came back
with the netnanny crap.

Stick around folks, I'll show you how to make one that will handle a dozen
amps at any liveable temperature and failsafe -- Kitplanes December issue.

By the way, is your failure mode open or closed? I'm not about to put a $5
part in between my supply line and radio unless the failure will turn the
radios on.

Jim


"Rip" > wrote in message
. com...
> Jim Logajan wrote:
>
>> [posted and mailed]
>>
>> Rip wrote:
>>
>>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4647303457
>>
>>
>> You should probably confine your posts to rec.aviation.marketplace or
>> risk suspension of your account with eBay. According to eBay
>> (http://pages.ebay.com/help/usenet_policy.html) they state:



> Thanks, NetNanny. Review "appropriately".

Jim Logajan
June 13th 06, 05:10 PM
Rip > wrote:
> Thanks, NetNanny. Review "appropriately".

The occasional commercial post isn't a big deal with me. But when you
posted the same message multiple times to several of the rec.aviation
groups it was becoming spam. I'm not going to go complain to eBay so you
have no worries from me on that score, but I thought you should know that
if others less tolerant than I did complain, then you'd find your marketing
backfiring.

Rip
June 14th 06, 03:04 AM
RST Engineering wrote:

> Ya know, I was just going to shine this little thing on until you came back
> with the netnanny crap.
>
> Stick around folks, I'll show you how to make one that will handle a dozen
> amps at any liveable temperature and failsafe -- Kitplanes December issue.
>
> By the way, is your failure mode open or closed? I'm not about to put a $5
> part in between my supply line and radio unless the failure will turn the
> radios on.
>
> Jim
>
>
> "Rip" > wrote in message
> . com...
>
>>Jim Logajan wrote:
>>
>>
>>>[posted and mailed]
>>>
>>>Rip wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4647303457
>>>
>>>
>>>You should probably confine your posts to rec.aviation.marketplace or
>>>risk suspension of your account with eBay. According to eBay
>>>(http://pages.ebay.com/help/usenet_policy.html) they state:
>
>
>
>
>>Thanks, NetNanny. Review "appropriately".
>
>
>
Gee, Jim. I'm breathless with anticipation! A dozen amps! And it will
fit in a 1 x 1/2 inch cylinder? I think you missed the point of my
little item. I see a lot of homebuilders running out of panel space,
or adding switches after the fact for non-critical items like intercoms
and engine analyzers, that could stand a little delay after master
switch power up. I never intended for it to be used on radios, critical
engine instruments, etc.
On the other hand, many items (such as those mentioned above) don't need
to be on the avionics bus. So you splice my timer in the power supply
line after the fuse or circuit breaker. It handles the protection and
power up for you, while you get settled in during engine warm-up, etc.

I think an item like this geared specifically towards homebuilders is
more than appropriate for a group titled "rec.aviation.homebuilt".
If you, or anyone else, disagrees, don't read or respond to the ad!
Otherwise, you're all doomed to using the same old techniques and
technology ad nauseum. In fact, Jim. Isn't that what you do? Attempt to
introduce homnebuilders to a potentially better way of doing things?

Rip

Rip
June 14th 06, 03:22 AM
Jim Logajan wrote:

> Rip > wrote:
>
>>Thanks, NetNanny. Review "appropriately".
>
>
> The occasional commercial post isn't a big deal with me. But when you
> posted the same message multiple times to several of the rec.aviation
> groups it was becoming spam. I'm not going to go complain to eBay so you
> have no worries from me on that score, but I thought you should know that
> if others less tolerant than I did complain, then you'd find your marketing
> backfiring.
Jim, I appreciate your forebearance. Truly. I didn't "shotgun" post, but
hit the rec. aviation groups that I thought would be interested
(homebuilders, misc, marketing, and owners).
Rip

RST Engineering
June 14th 06, 05:36 AM
Answer the question.

Jim




"Rip" > wrote in message
. com...

>> By the way, is your failure mode open or closed? I'm not about to put a
>> $5 part in between my supply line and radio unless the failure will turn
>> the radios on.

> Gee, Jim. I'm breathless with anticipation! A dozen amps! And it will fit
> in a 1 x 1/2 inch cylinder? I think you missed the point of my
> little item.

June 14th 06, 08:14 PM
Rip wrote:
> Jim Logajan wrote:
>
> > Rip > wrote:
> >
> >>Thanks, NetNanny. Review "appropriately".
> >
> >
> > The occasional commercial post isn't a big deal with me. But when you
> > posted the same message multiple times to several of the rec.aviation
> > groups it was becoming spam. I'm not going to go complain to eBay so you
> > have no worries from me on that score, but I thought you should know that
> > if others less tolerant than I did complain, then you'd find your marketing
> > backfiring.
> Jim, I appreciate your forebearance. Truly. I didn't "shotgun" post, but
> hit the rec. aviation groups that I thought would be interested
> (homebuilders, misc, marketing, and owners).
>

Absent a statement in the newsgroup charter to the contrary there is
a general prohibition to commercial postings in UseNet newsgroups.
Usenet newsgrousp are intended for group discussion and comercial
posts could easily and quickly swamp that discussion. Imagine
if beer companies posted adverts to the rec.sports.football newsgroups.

Rec.aviation.marketplace is pretty clearly intended for "For Sale"
postings from which one should infer that the other groups are
not. It makes no sense, from the reader's perspective, to have
a newsgroup reserved for commercial postings and to also allow
them in the other newsgrousp as well.

IOW posting to four newsgroups was shotgun posting. I don't
expect eBay to act on the complaint.

I don't get particularly upset about such things myself, newbie
mistakes are commonplace, but Mr Logajan's remarks were spot
on and polite. Your response was not.

--

FF

cavelamb
June 14th 06, 08:35 PM
Rip wrote:

> RST Engineering wrote:
>
>> Ya know, I was just going to shine this little thing on until you came
>> back with the netnanny crap.
>>
>> Stick around folks, I'll show you how to make one that will handle a
>> dozen amps at any liveable temperature and failsafe -- Kitplanes
>> December issue.
>>
>> By the way, is your failure mode open or closed? I'm not about to put
>> a $5 part in between my supply line and radio unless the failure will
>> turn the radios on.
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>> "Rip" > wrote in message
>> . com...
>>
>>> Jim Logajan wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> [posted and mailed]
>>>>
>>>> Rip wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=4647303457
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You should probably confine your posts to rec.aviation.marketplace
>>>> or risk suspension of your account with eBay. According to eBay
>>>> (http://pages.ebay.com/help/usenet_policy.html) they state:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Thanks, NetNanny. Review "appropriately".
>>
>>
>>
>>
> Gee, Jim. I'm breathless with anticipation! A dozen amps! And it will
> fit in a 1 x 1/2 inch cylinder? I think you missed the point of my
> little item. I see a lot of homebuilders running out of panel space,
> or adding switches after the fact for non-critical items like intercoms
> and engine analyzers, that could stand a little delay after master
> switch power up. I never intended for it to be used on radios, critical
> engine instruments, etc.
> On the other hand, many items (such as those mentioned above) don't need
> to be on the avionics bus. So you splice my timer in the power supply
> line after the fuse or circuit breaker. It handles the protection and
> power up for you, while you get settled in during engine warm-up, etc.
>
> I think an item like this geared specifically towards homebuilders is
> more than appropriate for a group titled "rec.aviation.homebuilt".
> If you, or anyone else, disagrees, don't read or respond to the ad!
> Otherwise, you're all doomed to using the same old techniques and
> technology ad nauseum. In fact, Jim. Isn't that what you do? Attempt to
> introduce homnebuilders to a potentially better way of doing things?
>
> Rip

Sorry Rip. It don't work that way here.


All of this is easily and inexpensively handled by an Avionics Power switch.


A Manually Operated switch. That can also be turned off too.

So now, what exactly was this "better way"?

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