This ain't your grandpa's V-22 [Archive]

Henry J Cobb

June 14th 06, 08:54 AM

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/9366221/detail.html
"This ain't your grandpa's V-22," said Maj. David Lane, of the U.S.
Marine Corps. "This aircraft is phenomenally safe. I've got a family. I
wouldn't strap myself in if I wasn't comfortable with where it stands
and where it was at."

Has it really been in development that long? ;-)

-HJC

Diamond Jim

June 14th 06, 12:10 PM

"Henry J Cobb" > wrote in message
...
> http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/9366221/detail.html
> "This ain't your grandpa's V-22," said Maj. David Lane, of the U.S.
> Marine Corps. "This aircraft is phenomenally safe. I've got a family. I
> wouldn't strap myself in if I wasn't comfortable with where it stands
> and where it was at."
>
> Has it really been in development that long? ;-)
>
> -HJC

I think it has been in development forever, :-) at least it seems like it.

DJ

Greasy Rider @ invalid.com

June 14th 06, 12:10 PM

On Wed, 14 Jun 2006 13:24:18 +0530, Henry J Cobb >
postulated :
>http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/9366221/detail.html
>"This ain't your grandpa's V-22," said Maj. David Lane, of the U.S.
>Marine Corps. "This aircraft is phenomenally safe. I've got a family. I
>wouldn't strap myself in if I wasn't comfortable with where it stands
>and where it was at."
>
>Has it really been in development that long? ;-)

We were lake fishing in central NC this past Saturday 6/10 and I saw
two aircraft that appeared to be V-22 passing towards the SE which
would be in the general direction of Cherry Point MCAS. Too distant
for definite identification but I'm pretty sure they were V-22s.

Gord Beaman

June 14th 06, 01:39 PM

"Diamond Jim" > wrote:

>
>"Henry J Cobb" > wrote in message
...
>> http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/9366221/detail.html
>> "This ain't your grandpa's V-22," said Maj. David Lane, of the U.S.
>> Marine Corps. "This aircraft is phenomenally safe. I've got a family. I
>> wouldn't strap myself in if I wasn't comfortable with where it stands
>> and where it was at."
>>
>> Has it really been in development that long? ;-)
>>
>> -HJC
>
>I think it has been in development forever, :-) at least it seems like it.
>
>DJ
>
Probably a lot longer than you're indicating (or that you
know!)...it seems most odd that it's NEVER mentioned in any info
I've seen but this aircraft was designed and flown by Canadair in
Montreal in the EARLY SIXTIES!...it was known as the CL-84
Dynavert. First flew in 1965.
http://tinyurl.com/rk2tj

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Henry J Cobb

June 14th 06, 02:04 PM

Gord Beaman wrote:
>>I think it has been in development forever, :-) at least it seems like it.
>
> Probably a lot longer than you're indicating (or that you
> know!)...it seems most odd that it's NEVER mentioned in any info
> I've seen but this aircraft was designed and flown by Canadair in
> Montreal in the EARLY SIXTIES!...it was known as the CL-84
> Dynavert. First flew in 1965.
> http://tinyurl.com/rk2tj

Nope, the Dynavert rotated its wings out of the way of the prop airflow
for greater efficiency, so it was a completely different design.

-HJC

Joe Delphi

June 14th 06, 02:24 PM

"Gord Beaman" > wrote in message
...
> "Diamond Jim" > wrote:
>
>>
> Probably a lot longer than you're indicating (or that you
> know!)...it seems most odd that it's NEVER mentioned in any info
> I've seen but this aircraft was designed and flown by Canadair in
> Montreal in the EARLY SIXTIES!...it was known as the CL-84
> Dynavert. First flew in 1965.
> http://tinyurl.com/rk2tj
>

And then in the 1970s Bell designed and built the XV-15 tilt rotor
demonstration aircraft for NASA research.

http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/Photo/XV-15/index.html

JD

KENG

June 14th 06, 10:08 PM

Gord Beaman wrote:

> "Diamond Jim" > wrote:
>
>
>>"Henry J Cobb" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/9366221/detail.html
>>>"This ain't your grandpa's V-22," said Maj. David Lane, of the U.S.
>>>Marine Corps. "This aircraft is phenomenally safe. I've got a family. I
>>>wouldn't strap myself in if I wasn't comfortable with where it stands
>>>and where it was at."
>>>
>>>Has it really been in development that long? ;-)
>>>
>>>-HJC
>>
>>I think it has been in development forever, :-) at least it seems like it.
>>
>>DJ
>>
>
> Probably a lot longer than you're indicating (or that you
> know!)...it seems most odd that it's NEVER mentioned in any info
> I've seen but this aircraft was designed and flown by Canadair in
> Montreal in the EARLY SIXTIES!...it was known as the CL-84
> Dynavert. First flew in 1965.
> http://tinyurl.com/rk2tj
>
I suppose you believe that the development of the SR-71 started on a
windy day at Kitty Hawk too, eh?

KenG

Gord Beaman

June 15th 06, 02:49 AM

Henry J Cobb > wrote:

>Gord Beaman wrote:
>>>I think it has been in development forever, :-) at least it seems like it.
>>
>> Probably a lot longer than you're indicating (or that you
>> know!)...it seems most odd that it's NEVER mentioned in any info
>> I've seen but this aircraft was designed and flown by Canadair in
>> Montreal in the EARLY SIXTIES!...it was known as the CL-84
>> Dynavert. First flew in 1965.
>> http://tinyurl.com/rk2tj
>
>Nope, the Dynavert rotated its wings out of the way of the prop airflow
>for greater efficiency, so it was a completely different design.
>
>-HJC

No it didn't, it worked exactly like the V-22, both engines were
mounted on the wings which tilted up to the vertical...take a
look at the URL I supplied...
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-Gord.
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Gord Beaman

June 15th 06, 03:00 AM

Juergen Nieveler > wrote:

>Gord Beaman > wrote:
>
>> Probably a lot longer than you're indicating (or that you
>> know!)...it seems most odd that it's NEVER mentioned in any info
>> I've seen but this aircraft was designed and flown by Canadair in
>> Montreal in the EARLY SIXTIES!...it was known as the CL-84
>> Dynavert. First flew in 1965.
>> http://tinyurl.com/rk2tj
>
>And one could claim that it was inspired by the Focke-Wulf 61 ;-)
>
>
>Juergen Nieveler

Quite brilliant son, you hadn't better give up your day job WBMA.
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Gord Beaman

June 15th 06, 03:05 AM

"Joe Delphi" > wrote:

>"Gord Beaman" > wrote in message
...
>> "Diamond Jim" > wrote:
>>
>>>
>> Probably a lot longer than you're indicating (or that you
>> know!)...it seems most odd that it's NEVER mentioned in any info
>> I've seen but this aircraft was designed and flown by Canadair in
>> Montreal in the EARLY SIXTIES!...it was known as the CL-84
>> Dynavert. First flew in 1965.
>> http://tinyurl.com/rk2tj
>>
>
>And then in the 1970s Bell designed and built the XV-15 tilt rotor
>demonstration aircraft for NASA research.
>
>http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/Photo/XV-15/index.html
>
>
>JD

The XV-15 did not tilt the wing (only the engine pods at the
wingtips) as both the CL-84 and the V-22 do.
>

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Gord Beaman

June 15th 06, 03:07 AM

KENG > wrote:

>Gord Beaman wrote:
>
>> "Diamond Jim" > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Henry J Cobb" > wrote in message
...
>>>
>>>>http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/9366221/detail.html
>>>>"This ain't your grandpa's V-22," said Maj. David Lane, of the U.S.
>>>>Marine Corps. "This aircraft is phenomenally safe. I've got a family. I
>>>>wouldn't strap myself in if I wasn't comfortable with where it stands
>>>>and where it was at."
>>>>
>>>>Has it really been in development that long? ;-)
>>>>
>>>>-HJC
>>>
>>>I think it has been in development forever, :-) at least it seems like it.
>>>
>>>DJ
>>>
>>
>> Probably a lot longer than you're indicating (or that you
>> know!)...it seems most odd that it's NEVER mentioned in any info
>> I've seen but this aircraft was designed and flown by Canadair in
>> Montreal in the EARLY SIXTIES!...it was known as the CL-84
>> Dynavert. First flew in 1965.
>> http://tinyurl.com/rk2tj
>>
>I suppose you believe that the development of the SR-71 started on a
>windy day at Kitty Hawk too, eh?
>
>KenG

Don't seem to know much about aircraft do you?...
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Guy Alcala

June 15th 06, 05:17 AM

Gord Beaman wrote:

> "Joe Delphi" > wrote:
>
> >"Gord Beaman" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> "Diamond Jim" > wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >> Probably a lot longer than you're indicating (or that you
> >> know!)...it seems most odd that it's NEVER mentioned in any info
> >> I've seen but this aircraft was designed and flown by Canadair in
> >> Montreal in the EARLY SIXTIES!...it was known as the CL-84
> >> Dynavert. First flew in 1965.
> >> http://tinyurl.com/rk2tj
> >>
> >
> >And then in the 1970s Bell designed and built the XV-15 tilt rotor
> >demonstration aircraft for NASA research.
> >
> >http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/Photo/XV-15/index.html
> >
> >
> >JD
>
> The XV-15 did not tilt the wing (only the engine pods at the
> wingtips) as both the CL-84 and the V-22 do.

Sorry Gord, while the CL-84 was a tiltwing, both the XV-15 and V-22 are
tiltrotors -- the wing stays put when the nacelles rotate. See:

http://www.navair.navy.mil/v22/index.cfm?fuseaction=gallery.

among many other sites. The vertical 'wing' section you can see in some
shots when the nacelles are vertical are the large flaps, which droop
something like 85 degrees to minimize vertical drag (Dv) when in
helicopter mode.

Guy

Gord Beaman

June 15th 06, 07:40 PM

Guy Alcala > wrote:

>Gord Beaman wrote:
>
>> "Joe Delphi" > wrote:
>>
>> >"Gord Beaman" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> >> "Diamond Jim" > wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >> Probably a lot longer than you're indicating (or that you
>> >> know!)...it seems most odd that it's NEVER mentioned in any info
>> >> I've seen but this aircraft was designed and flown by Canadair in
>> >> Montreal in the EARLY SIXTIES!...it was known as the CL-84
>> >> Dynavert. First flew in 1965.
>> >> http://tinyurl.com/rk2tj
>> >>
>> >
>> >And then in the 1970s Bell designed and built the XV-15 tilt rotor
>> >demonstration aircraft for NASA research.
>> >
>> >http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/Photo/XV-15/index.html
>> >
>> >
>> >JD
>>
>> The XV-15 did not tilt the wing (only the engine pods at the
>> wingtips) as both the CL-84 and the V-22 do.
>
>Sorry Gord, while the CL-84 was a tiltwing, both the XV-15 and V-22 are
>tiltrotors -- the wing stays put when the nacelles rotate. See:
>
>http://www.navair.navy.mil/v22/index.cfm?fuseaction=gallery.
>
>among many other sites. The vertical 'wing' section you can see in some
>shots when the nacelles are vertical are the large flaps, which droop
>something like 85 degrees to minimize vertical drag (Dv) when in
>helicopter mode.
>
>Guy

Yes, you're right, I stand corrected...it 'was' the flaps that
misled me...(your URL didn't work btw - but I found it in Google)

Thanks for the info sir...
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-Gord.
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KENG

June 15th 06, 09:40 PM

Gord Beaman wrote:
> KENG > wrote:
>
>
>>Gord Beaman wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Diamond Jim" > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Henry J Cobb" > wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/9366221/detail.html
>>>>>"This ain't your grandpa's V-22," said Maj. David Lane, of the U.S.
>>>>>Marine Corps. "This aircraft is phenomenally safe. I've got a family. I
>>>>>wouldn't strap myself in if I wasn't comfortable with where it stands
>>>>>and where it was at."
>>>>>
>>>>>Has it really been in development that long? ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>-HJC
>>>>
>>>>I think it has been in development forever, :-) at least it seems like it.
>>>>
>>>>DJ
>>>>
>>>
>>>Probably a lot longer than you're indicating (or that you
>>>know!)...it seems most odd that it's NEVER mentioned in any info
>>>I've seen but this aircraft was designed and flown by Canadair in
>>>Montreal in the EARLY SIXTIES!...it was known as the CL-84
>>>Dynavert. First flew in 1965.
>>>http://tinyurl.com/rk2tj
>>>
>>
>>I suppose you believe that the development of the SR-71 started on a
>>windy day at Kitty Hawk too, eh?
>>
>>KenG
>
>
> Don't seem to know much about aircraft do you?...
I guess you didn't catch my note of sarcasm, eh?

Gord Beaman

June 15th 06, 10:17 PM

KENG > wrote:

>Gord Beaman wrote:
>> KENG > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Gord Beaman wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Diamond Jim" > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Henry J Cobb" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/9366221/detail.html
>>>>>>"This ain't your grandpa's V-22," said Maj. David Lane, of the U.S.
>>>>>>Marine Corps. "This aircraft is phenomenally safe. I've got a family. I
>>>>>>wouldn't strap myself in if I wasn't comfortable with where it stands
>>>>>>and where it was at."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Has it really been in development that long? ;-)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>-HJC
>>>>>
>>>>>I think it has been in development forever, :-) at least it seems like it.
>>>>>
>>>>>DJ
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Probably a lot longer than you're indicating (or that you
>>>>know!)...it seems most odd that it's NEVER mentioned in any info
>>>>I've seen but this aircraft was designed and flown by Canadair in
>>>>Montreal in the EARLY SIXTIES!...it was known as the CL-84
>>>>Dynavert. First flew in 1965.
>>>>http://tinyurl.com/rk2tj
>>>>
>>>
>>>I suppose you believe that the development of the SR-71 started on a
>>>windy day at Kitty Hawk too, eh?
>>>
>>>KenG
>>
>>
>> Don't seem to know much about aircraft do you?...
>I guess you didn't catch my note of sarcasm, eh?

Well, of course I did, but there's sarcasm and then there's
silly...which catagory do you think your remark was in?...
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-Gord.
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Light

June 15th 06, 11:47 PM

"Gord Beaman" > wrote:
> "Diamond Jim" > wrote:
> >
> >"Henry J Cobb" > wrote in message
> ...
> >> http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/9366221/detail.html
> >> "This ain't your grandpa's V-22," said Maj. David Lane, of the U.S.
> >> Marine Corps. "This aircraft is phenomenally safe. I've got a family. I
> >> wouldn't strap myself in if I wasn't comfortable with where it stands
> >> and where it was at."
> >>
> >> Has it really been in development that long? ;-)
> >>
> >> -HJC
> >
> >I think it has been in development forever, :-) at least it seems like
it.
> >
> >DJ
> >
> Probably a lot longer than you're indicating (or that you
> know!)...it seems most odd that it's NEVER mentioned in any info
> I've seen but this aircraft was designed and flown by Canadair in
> Montreal in the EARLY SIXTIES!...it was known as the CL-84
> Dynavert. First flew in 1965.
> http://tinyurl.com/rk2tj

Bell has worked on the tilt rotor since the late 40's.

This one took to the air in the mid 1950's.
http://www.vstol.org/wheel/VSTOLWheel/BellXV-3.htm

KENG

June 16th 06, 01:20 AM

Gord Beaman wrote:

> KENG > wrote:
>
>
>>Gord Beaman wrote:
>>
>>>KENG > wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Gord Beaman wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Diamond Jim" > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Henry J Cobb" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/9366221/detail.html
>>>>>>>"This ain't your grandpa's V-22," said Maj. David Lane, of the U.S.
>>>>>>>Marine Corps. "This aircraft is phenomenally safe. I've got a family. I
>>>>>>>wouldn't strap myself in if I wasn't comfortable with where it stands
>>>>>>>and where it was at."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Has it really been in development that long? ;-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-HJC
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I think it has been in development forever, :-) at least it seems like it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>DJ
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Probably a lot longer than you're indicating (or that you
>>>>>know!)...it seems most odd that it's NEVER mentioned in any info
>>>>>I've seen but this aircraft was designed and flown by Canadair in
>>>>>Montreal in the EARLY SIXTIES!...it was known as the CL-84
>>>>>Dynavert. First flew in 1965.
>>>>>http://tinyurl.com/rk2tj
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I suppose you believe that the development of the SR-71 started on a
>>>>windy day at Kitty Hawk too, eh?
>>>>
>>>>KenG
>>>
>>>
>>>Don't seem to know much about aircraft do you?...
>>
>>I guess you didn't catch my note of sarcasm, eh?
>
>
> Well, of course I did, but there's sarcasm and then there's
> silly...which catagory do you think your remark was in?...
Ok, ya got me there.