Fedex Radar recording

[John Gaquin]

Does anyone still have the url for that radar recording of the Fedex flow
approaching Memphis with storms around? I've misplaced it, and now would
like to forward it to a friend.

Thanks for your help.

[Gene Seibel]

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles/2006/05/25/Navigation/177/206883/Video+Timelapse+FAA+radar+shows+FedEx+aircraft+div erted+from+Memphis+hub+in+heavy.html
--
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John Gaquin wrote:
> Does anyone still have the url for that radar recording of the Fedex flow
> approaching Memphis with storms around? I've misplaced it, and now would
> like to forward it to a friend.
>
> Thanks for your help.

[Gene Seibel]

Or Jay's site at http://www.alexisparkinn.com/aviation_videos.htm
--
Gene Seibel
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Because I fly, I envy no one.

John Gaquin wrote:
> Does anyone still have the url for that radar recording of the Fedex flow
> approaching Memphis with storms around? I've misplaced it, and now would
> like to forward it to a friend.
>
> Thanks for your help.

[John Gaquin]

"Gene Seibel" > wrote in message


Thanks for the help, Gene.

[zatatime]

On 24 Jun 2006 08:29:52 -0700, "Gene Seibel" >
wrote:

>http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles/2006/05/25/Navigation/177/206883/Video+Timelapse+FAA+radar+shows+FedEx+aircraft+div erted+from+Memphis+hub+in+heavy.html


Is that actually real???!!!!???

Absolutely incredible if it is.

z

[Thomas Borchert]

Zatatime,

> Is that actually real???!!!!???
>

Which part are you in doubt about? The 200 aircraft? Absolutely real. I
had the privilege of writing a magazine story on an average night in
Memphis. It's quite a scene.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Andrew Gideon]

On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:13:21 +0200, Thomas Borchert wrote:

> I
> had the privilege of writing a magazine story on an average night in
> Memphis. It's quite a scene.

Nobody outbound? Where to they put all those aircraft on the ground?

- Andrew

[Peter R.]

Andrew Gideon > wrote:

> Nobody outbound? Where to they put all those aircraft on the ground?

My speculation is that the animation linked in this thread used filtered
data whereby the outbound aircraft returns were removed.

--
Peter

[Roy Smith]

In article >,
Andrew Gideon > wrote:

> On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:13:21 +0200, Thomas Borchert wrote:
>
> > I
> > had the privilege of writing a magazine story on an average night in
> > Memphis. It's quite a scene.
>
> Nobody outbound? Where to they put all those aircraft on the ground?
>
> - Andrew

Didn't you ever wonder why Memphis was the recycled aluminum capital of the
world?

[David Dyer-Bennet]

Andrew Gideon > writes:

> On Sat, 24 Jun 2006 20:13:21 +0200, Thomas Borchert wrote:
>
> > I
> > had the privilege of writing a magazine story on an average night in
> > Memphis. It's quite a scene.
>
> Nobody outbound? Where to they put all those aircraft on the ground?

Remember that FedEx started with the model of each aircraft making
exactly two flights a day -- to Memphis, wait while packages are
unloaded, sorted, and reloaded, then back to their city. So all the
arrivals had to occur before all the departures.

It's gotten much more complicated, with more packages sorted remotely
for shorter trips, but I'm not surprised there's still a tendency for
a lot of planes to arrive, sit around a while, and depart from Memphis.
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[John Gaquin]

"Andrew Gideon" > wrote in message
>
> Nobody outbound? Where to they put all those aircraft on the ground?

The storm related video is of a specific, truncated time span, meant to show
the storm disrupted arrivals. Of course there are outbounds, but the nature
of FedEx ops is that almost everyone arrives, then later everyone leaves.
If you go to Jay's video site
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/aviation_videos.htm there's another clip
there that shows a full 24 hour span of FedEx ops.

[Peter Duniho]

"David Dyer-Bennet" > wrote in message
...
> Andrew Gideon > writes:
>>
>> Nobody outbound? Where to they put all those aircraft on the ground?
>
> Remember that FedEx started with the model of each aircraft making
> exactly two flights a day -- to Memphis, wait while packages are
> unloaded, sorted, and reloaded, then back to their city. So all the
> arrivals had to occur before all the departures.

Before *all* of the departures? No one else uses the airport? Or, at
least, no one else uses the airport while the FedEx airplanes are arriving?

> It's gotten much more complicated, with more packages sorted remotely
> for shorter trips, but I'm not surprised there's still a tendency for
> a lot of planes to arrive, sit around a while, and depart from Memphis.

Sure, but *no* departures? No one?

Sure seems unlikely to me. Data filtering seems more likely than there
being *zero* other air traffic during the FedEx arrivals (especially over
that long a period of time).

Granted, with the crappy weather depicted, there would be fewer than normal.
But for the airport to essentially shut down except for FedEx seems a little
odd, even considering it's their hub.

Pete

[Thomas Borchert]

Andrew,

> Nobody outbound? Where to they put all those aircraft on the ground?
>

Inbound from 6 to about 8 pm. Put the aircraft on the Fedex ramp.
Unpack all, resort the packets, reload the aircraft, outbound from 2 to
4 am. After that, the ramp is empty again until 6 pm.

There are exceptions, of course, but the major push is inbound during
that time in the evening, very few outbounds. And the opposite is valid
for the outbound push. They even have flying spares, read empty DC-10s
flying from Seattly and Indianapolis to Memphis. In case an aircraft
can't take off for technical reasons, the spare will go there and pick
up the load.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Morgans]

"Peter R." > wrote in message
...
> Andrew Gideon > wrote:
>
>> Nobody outbound? Where to they put all those aircraft on the ground?
>
> My speculation is that the animation linked in this thread used filtered
> data whereby the outbound aircraft returns were removed.

The freight hub model works, cuz all of the freight comes in at the same
time, offloads, sorts to their new destination, loads back onto the correct
plane, and they all scamper out. No need or desire for anyone to be
leaving, while everyone is still coming in. And by the way, ever been to
Memphis? Not much air traffic going out at that time of night, unless it is
FedEx!
--
Jim in NC

[Andrew Gideon]

On Sun, 25 Jun 2006 15:53:25 -0400, Morgans wrote:

> No need or desire for anyone to
> be leaving, while everyone is still coming in.

So where do all those aircraft sit during that time? Anyone have photos?
It must be impressive.

- Andrew

[Peter R.]

Morgans > wrote:

> The freight hub model works, cuz all of the freight comes in at the same
> time, offloads, sorts to their new destination, loads back onto the correct
> plane, and they all scamper out. No need or desire for anyone to be
> leaving, while everyone is still coming in.

But Memphis is also a commercial airline airport. Is it just coincidence
that there were no departures, either part 135 or 121 during that loop?


--
Peter

[David Dyer-Bennet]

"Peter Duniho" > writes:

> "David Dyer-Bennet" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Andrew Gideon > writes:
> >>
> >> Nobody outbound? Where to they put all those aircraft on the ground?
> >
> > Remember that FedEx started with the model of each aircraft making
> > exactly two flights a day -- to Memphis, wait while packages are
> > unloaded, sorted, and reloaded, then back to their city. So all the
> > arrivals had to occur before all the departures.
>
> Before *all* of the departures? No one else uses the airport? Or, at
> least, no one else uses the airport while the FedEx airplanes are arriving?

No, I wouldn't think so; I mean of their planes. But, late at night,
they were probably 95% of the use of that airport, too.
--
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[Newps]

The software allows you to filter it any way you want.




Peter R. wrote:
> Morgans > wrote:
>
>
>>The freight hub model works, cuz all of the freight comes in at the same
>>time, offloads, sorts to their new destination, loads back onto the correct
>>plane, and they all scamper out. No need or desire for anyone to be
>>leaving, while everyone is still coming in.
>
>
> But Memphis is also a commercial airline airport. Is it just coincidence
> that there were no departures, either part 135 or 121 during that loop?
>
>

[Peter Duniho]

"David Dyer-Bennet" > wrote in message
...
> [...] But, late at night,
> they were probably 95% of the use of that airport, too.

They would have to be 100% to explain the absence of departures in the
graphic.

[Thomas Borchert]

Andrew,

> So where do all those aircraft sit during that time? Anyone have photos?
> It must be impressive.
>

On the ramp. It is impressive. I have the photos we shot for the article,
but not in digital form.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Thomas Borchert]

B,

> It sounds like something I would like to read.
>

In German? ;-) I can mail you a copy, if you like, but it's going to be
in German.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)