planning my project...

[Bob Martin]

I'm still a few years away from being able to start building, but I'm
already looking into possible kits.

What I'd really like, but would probably be unable to afford, is an RV-7
or -8. I could try to scrounge it all together,as one guy in my dad's
hangar did; he built a -6A without ordering a single part from Van's.
Came out a lot cheaper, but it probably took him longer and was fairly
stressful. So, failing that, do you guys have any recommendations?

What I'd be looking for:

Two-seat, sbs if possible
Available as taildragger
Fast (160-180mph)
Rated to 6G (even if that's at a reduced weight)
All-metal preferred
Efficient
Able to at least mostly keep up with a flight of RV's

The KR-2S looks interesting, but it's wood and composite; I don't know
much about how these hold up and I've never worked large-scale with
either of them.

I've looked into some smaller kits; something like the sonex would be
nice, but it's rather ugly and slow. Fixing the former would be
somewhat involved, but how much of an improvement on the latter could I
expect by adding fairings, flush rivets, etc?

[Kyle Boatright]

"Bob Martin" > wrote in message
...
> I'm still a few years away from being able to start building, but I'm
> already looking into possible kits.
>
> What I'd really like, but would probably be unable to afford, is an RV-7
> or -8. I could try to scrounge it all together,as one guy in my dad's
> hangar did; he built a -6A without ordering a single part from Van's. Came
> out a lot cheaper, but it probably took him longer and was fairly
> stressful. So, failing that, do you guys have any recommendations?
>
> What I'd be looking for:
>
> Two-seat, sbs if possible
> Available as taildragger
> Fast (160-180mph)
> Rated to 6G (even if that's at a reduced weight)
> All-metal preferred
> Efficient
> Able to at least mostly keep up with a flight of RV's
>
> The KR-2S looks interesting, but it's wood and composite; I don't know
> much about how these hold up and I've never worked large-scale with either
> of them.
>
> I've looked into some smaller kits; something like the sonex would be
> nice, but it's rather ugly and slow. Fixing the former would be somewhat
> involved, but how much of an improvement on the latter could I expect by
> adding fairings, flush rivets, etc?

If you want RV performance, why not build an RV? With careful scrounging, I
believe it is still possible to build a -6 or -6a for $35k. You'd have to
find good deals on unfinished kits on the internet and TAP, wouldn't have a
fancy panel, and might have to go with a mid-time engine, but it can be
done.

Beyond that, you could probably find a decent RV-4 for the same $35k. The
back seat isn't for big people, but it is a real 200 mph airplane that meets
your other criteria.

Regardless of what the people at Rand-Robinson say, the KR simply doesn't
haul much weight (i.e. two people is rather frightening, according to
friends who built KR's) and isn't as fast as advertised. If the design met
its claims, there would be lots of KR's at every fly-in, but the truth is
you'll see a lot more unfinised KR's on ebay than you'll find complete KR's
at fly-ins. And those unfinished KR's will be cheap. There is a reason.

The Sonex is a nice design, kind of an RV-minus. It is more of a 1+1
aircraft, in that the airplane will carry a passenger, but at a serious cost
in elbow room and climb performance. Also, unless you're willing to spin
the engine faster than Jabiru recommends, the aircraft doesn't meet
performance claims.

Looking at your desires, you might also consider a Thorpe or a Mustang II.
They are usually underpriced when compared to similarly equipped RV's.

KB

[Bob Martin]

> If you want RV performance, why not build an RV? With careful
scrounging, I
> believe it is still possible to build a -6 or -6a for $35k. You'd have to
> find good deals on unfinished kits on the internet and TAP, wouldn't have a
> fancy panel, and might have to go with a mid-time engine, but it can be
> done.

I'm not anticipating anything fancy... basic engine stuff, handheld GPS,
navcom, and an integrated PFD kind of thing.


> Beyond that, you could probably find a decent RV-4 for the same $35k. The
> back seat isn't for big people, but it is a real 200 mph airplane that meets
> your other criteria.

I'd rather build it myself for customization and for the repairman's
certificate.

> Looking at your desires, you might also consider a Thorpe or a Mustang II.
> They are usually underpriced when compared to similarly equipped RV's.

I never even thought of the Mustang...

[rgs]

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