Electric maned airplane

[Flyingmonk[_1_]]

Morgans wrote:
> Check this news story bout about an airplane powered by household batteries.
> Interesting.
>
> http://reuters.myway.com/article/20060717/2006-07-17T130202Z_01_T309261_RTRIDST_0_ODD-JAPAN-PLANE-DC.html
> --
> Jim in NC

Cool. Too bad there's no pictures of it. BTW, the people in RAH might
be interested also.

Monk

[Stefan]

Morgans schrieb:

> Check this news story bout about an airplane powered by household batteries.
> Interesting.

Not as interesting as you might think. Electric planes which you can
actually buy have been around for quite some time, and they fly more
than 1283 feet, albeit on lithium accus rather than household batteries:

http://www.lange-flugzeugbau.de/english/menu/menu-prod.htm

Stefan

[Jose[_1_]]

> The group from the Tokyo Institute of Technology
> flew the plane a distance of 1,283 feet...
> [on] the trip, which lasted about one minute.
> The power was provided by 160 AA batteries.

Let's see, to go six hundred miles, that would be about
2600 x 160 = 416,000 batteries.
That would clean out my local Radio Shack. :)

Jose
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[Bill Daniels]

"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Stefan" > wrote
>
>> Not as interesting as you might think. Electric planes which you can
>> actually buy have been around for quite some time, and they fly more
>> than 1283 feet, albeit on lithium accus rather than household batteries:
>>
>> http://www.lange-flugzeugbau.de/english/menu/menu-prod.htm
>
> I was unable to find on that, or on linked pages, that it had flown as a
> rise off the ground airplane.
> --
> Jim in NC
>

It has flown. It can climb about 10,000 feet on one battery charge or
cruise about 100 miles.

[Stefan]

Morgans schrieb:

> I was unable to find on that, or on linked pages, that it had flown as a
> rise off the ground airplane.

Look at the videos. Or take my word. (There are two such beasts based on
my airfield.)

Stefan

[Stefan]

Morgans schrieb:

> How much for a new battery pack?

Expected life of the battery pack is 11 years or 1500 cicles. After
that, they must be replaced. Right now, the pack costs around $8000 or
so, but I don't know how much it will be in 11 years.

Stefan

[Morgans[_3_]]

Check this news story bout about an airplane powered by household batteries.
Interesting.

http://reuters.myway.com/article/20060717/2006-07-17T130202Z_01_T309261_RTRIDST_0_ODD-JAPAN-PLANE-DC.html
--
Jim in NC

[Stefan]

Morgans schrieb:

> Not as bad as I thought it would be. How is the rate of climb, with no
> thermal assist?

http://www.lange-flugzeugbau.de/english/menu/menu-akt.htm

[Stefan]

Morgans schrieb:

> Not as bad as I thought it would be. How is the rate of climb, with no
> thermal assist?

http://www.lange-flugzeugbau.de/english/menu/produkt/antares/techdat.htm

[Morgans[_3_]]

"Stefan" > wrote

> Not as interesting as you might think. Electric planes which you can
> actually buy have been around for quite some time, and they fly more
> than 1283 feet, albeit on lithium accus rather than household batteries:
>
> http://www.lange-flugzeugbau.de/english/menu/menu-prod.htm

I was unable to find on that, or on linked pages, that it had flown as a
rise off the ground airplane.
--
Jim in NC

[Morgans[_3_]]

"Flyingmonk" > wrote
>
> Cool. Too bad there's no pictures of it. BTW, the people in RAH might
> be interested also.

Note the crosspost? <g>
--
Jim in NC

[Morgans[_3_]]

"Stefan" > wrote in message
...
> Morgans schrieb:
>
> > I was unable to find on that, or on linked pages, that it had flown as
a
> > rise off the ground airplane.
>
> Look at the videos. Or take my word. (There are two such beasts based on
> my airfield.)
>
Cool.

How much for a new battery pack?
--
Jim in NC

[Morgans[_3_]]

"Stefan" > wrote

> Expected life of the battery pack is 11 years or 1500 cicles. After
> that, they must be replaced. Right now, the pack costs around $8000 or
> so, but I don't know how much it will be in 11 years.

Not as bad as I thought it would be. How is the rate of climb, with no
thermal assist?
--
Jim in NC

[Morgans[_3_]]

I didn't see the price anywhere. Got an approximate idea?

Pretty cool lookin' package!
--
Jim in NC

[Montblack[_1_]]

("Morgans" wrote)
> Pretty cool lookin' package!


Huh? :-)


Montblack
http://snltranscripts.jt.org/88/88bnudebeach.phtml

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, "Morgans" > said:
>Check this news story bout about an airplane powered by household batteries.
>Interesting.
>
>http://reuters.myway.com/article/20060717/2006-07-17T130202Z_01_T309261_RTRIDST_0_ODD-JAPAN-PLANE-DC.html

Picture at http://inhome.rediff.com/money/2006/jul/17look.htm


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For their next act, they'll no doubt be buying a firewall running under NT,
which makes about as much sense as building a prison out of meringue.
-- Tanuki

[steveukman]

Hmmmmm ..... If I used half the weight of batteries for large coils and
then flew and navigated along the length of power lines, could I induce
enough current to keep me aloft?
Is this a new 'free' source of flight power (if the power companies
radiate the energy, how can it be theft?) .... a new navigation
activity (e.g. coast to coast) and a new definition of low level
airlanes?

;-)

[Flyingmonk[_1_]]

Paul Tomblin wrote:
>
> Picture at http://inhome.rediff.com/money/2006/jul/17look.htm
>
>

Just what I was looking for. Thanks Paul.

Man! That's a lot a ribs...

Monk

[Morgans[_3_]]

"steveukman" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Hmmmmm ..... If I used half the weight of batteries for large coils and
> then flew and navigated along the length of power lines, could I induce
> enough current to keep me aloft?
> Is this a new 'free' source of flight power (if the power companies
> radiate the energy, how can it be theft?) .... a new navigation
> activity (e.g. coast to coast) and a new definition of low level
> airlanes?

Energy is taken from the power lines that would not disappear otherwise, so
it would indeed be theft.

The size of the coils would be huge, and heavy. Sorry.
--
Jim in NC

[Stefan]

Morgans schrieb:

> I didn't see the price anywhere. Got an approximate idea?

Depends on many things, obviously, but somewhere in the range of
$150'000 to $200'000 with the trailer.

But you get much more than just an electrically powered aircraft for
this: Newest airfoil, newest wing shape, excellent finish, and a lot of
electronic gadgets. E.g. You will be informed of the battery charge
state by cell phone, you can start the pre-heating of the batteries
(required, depending on the weather) by cell phone, and a couple more
such things. Other solutions: The critical electric junctions are pyro
loaded, so in case of a short circuit you can cut them with the push on
a button to aviod heating and fire etc. BTW, all this is managed by a
computer running linux, so you can load your favorit flight simulator,
too, if you wish...

Stefan

[Larry Dighera]

On Tue, 18 Jul 2006 19:01:31 -0400, "Morgans"
> wrote in >::

>Check this news story bout about an airplane powered by household batteries.
>Interesting.
>
>http://reuters.myway.com/article/20060717/2006-07-17T130202Z_01_T309261_RTRIDST_0_ODD-JAPAN-PLANE-DC.html

Official web site (Flight video: top right button):
http://oxyride.jp/top.html

Photograph here:

http://storage.engadget.com/2006/05/01/air-oxyride-100-aa-glider-takes-wing/
http://oxy.at.webry.info/200604/article_7.html

http://labnol.blogspot.com/2006/07/single-seater-airplane-powered-by-aa.html

Slide show here:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20060716/tc_afp/japanairbatteryplane_060716195924
This was officially the world's first manned flight powered by
dry-cell batteries," Zushi said.

Battery information:

http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,119723,00.asp


http://piccola.us/serendipity/index.php?/archives/2247-Air-Oxyride-100-batteries-included.html
Panasonic has bumped up the power of its Oxyride batteries,
claiming the new version is 120% more efficient than the original
model.

http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-an-oxyride-battery.htm
An oxyride battery is an especially powerful, long lasting battery
developed by Matsu****a Electric Industrial of Tokyo for
Panasonic. The oxyride battery is 1.5 times as powerful as a
regular alkaline battery, allowing extended use of high-drain
battery-powered devices such as digital cameras, with the ability
to take up to twice as many digital pictures. Flashes also recover
quicker and pictures can be taken faster. The extra power of the
oxyride battery might also deliver enhanced bass in audio payers,
according to some.

Oxyride batteries use updated alkaline chemistry that includes a
finer grained graphite and manganese dioxide, allowing a denser
fill of material. With an advanced substance for the cathode or
negative (-) side, called oxy nickel hydroxide the batteries
maintain higher voltage. Oxyride batteries also utilize a
breakthrough vacuum-pouring technology in the production process,
allowing more electrolyte to be packed into each battery for
increased durability. Hence, increased power and a longer life!

The oxyride battery was first introduced to the Japanese market in
2004 and has boasted an impressive demonstration, powering the 9.5
foot (2.9 meter) 'Oxyride' car. The car, built especially for the
demonstration and resembling a torpedo with three bicycle wheels,
carried a 110 pound (50 kilogram) female passenger laying
luge-style under the drop-top canopy. Powered by two AA oxyride
batteries, it traveled 213 feet (65 meters) in 74 seconds, and
went a total of three quarters of a mile (1.23 kilometers) before
the batteries ran dry.

In more practical terms, toy trucks will run faster, PDA's will
compute longer, powered toothbrushes will brush longer, and MP3
players will crank out more tunes. In fact, with the advent of
more and more digital products that require a battery power
source, the oxyride battery promises a brighter and longer-lasting
future.

The Panasonic brand of oxyride battery is called 'Digital Xtreme
Power' and the AA and AAA oxyrides will cost about 10% more than
their normal counterpart alkaline batteries.


http://www.panasonic.com/consumer_electronics/oxyride_ms/flash.asp



http://www.electronicsweb.com/content/news/article.asp?docid=46424b36-5fd7-4211-8afd-28be9a1e20f0&atc~c=771+s=773+r=001+l=a&VNETCOOKIE=NO
First introduced to U.S. consumers in July 2005, Oxyride Extreme
Power batteries represent Panasonic's first major innovation in
primary battery technology since the introduction of alkaline
batteries in 1965. Based on nickel oxyhydroxide (NiOOH) chemistry,
Panasonic's Oxyride battery combines newly developed materials and
an advanced manufacturing process to deliver improved power
performance. Using American National Standards Institute (ANSI)
test protocols, Oxyride Extreme Power batteries have been proven
to deliver up to 2X the amount of pictures in digital still
cameras as Alkaline Plus(1) batteries, with a new and improved
Oxyride battery coming in Spring 2006 to deliver up to 3X as many
pictures. Currently available in AA and AAA sizes, Oxyride
batteries can be purchased at Target, Walgreens and over 14,000
fine national and regional retailers covering approximately 95
percent of the United States.

SOURCE: Panasonic



http://www.usatoday.com/tech/products/gear/parts/2004-12-10-stronger-battery_x.htm
Tadaharu Taguchi, a Matsu****a director, said the battery marks "a
major milestone in the battery industry." Oxyride batteries
maintain higher voltage and output longer because the material
inside that produces electricity is more concentrated.
Oxyride uses oxy nickel hydroxide, an advanced battery substance,
and finer grain graphite and manganese dioxide, allowing them to
be packed more closely inside the cell.

Matsu****a Electric Industrial Co. Ltd. also developed a way of
blending the powder to stuff more into the battery. A production
innovation also pours more electrolyte, a key ingredient that
leads to longer battery life, into the cell, Matsu****a said.
...
AA and AAA Oxyride batteries cost about 10 percent more than
regular batteries. In the United States, they will sell for about
$3.99 for a pack of four, although prices will vary, Matsu****a
officials said.


http://www.engadget.com/2004/11/26/panasonics-oxyride-runs-on-two-aa-batteries/
Panasonic went to trouble of building an ultralight vehicle called
the OxyRide that can transport a single person over a kilometer on
just two AA batteries,

[Larry Dighera]

On 18 Jul 2006 18:43:58 -0700, "steveukman" >
wrote in . com>::

>Hmmmmm ..... If I used half the weight of batteries for large coils and
>then flew and navigated along the length of power lines, could I induce
>enough current to keep me aloft?

Magnetic flux density diminishes with the square of the distance from
its source. You'd probably have to fly pretty close to the
transmission wire to obtain any meaningful inductive coupling.

[[email protected]]

Morgans wrote:
> "steveukman" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > Hmmmmm ..... If I used half the weight of batteries for large coils and
> > then flew and navigated along the length of power lines, could I induce
> > enough current to keep me aloft?
> > Is this a new 'free' source of flight power (if the power companies
> > radiate the energy, how can it be theft?) .... a new navigation
> > activity (e.g. coast to coast) and a new definition of low level
> > airlanes?
>
> Energy is taken from the power lines that would not disappear otherwise, so
> it would indeed be theft.
>
> The size of the coils would be huge, and heavy. Sorry.

What if you made the coils from cryogenically cooled carbon?
You could use liquid helium for the coolant, and bag the
exhaust for extra lift.

--

FF

[karel]

> wrote in message
ps.com...

> What if you made the coils from cryogenically cooled carbon?
> You could use liquid helium for the coolant, and bag the
> exhaust for extra lift.

Yep! Great idea! Do it! Show us!

[[email protected]]

karel wrote:
> > wrote in message
> ps.com...
>
> > What if you made the coils from cryogenically cooled carbon?
> > You could use liquid helium for the coolant, and bag the
> > exhaust for extra lift.
>
> Yep! Great idea! Do it! Show us!

I'll have to get back to you on that...

--

FF

[Orval Fairbairn]

In article om>,
wrote:

> karel wrote:
> > > wrote in message
> > ps.com...
> >
> > > What if you made the coils from cryogenically cooled carbon?
> > > You could use liquid helium for the coolant, and bag the
> > > exhaust for extra lift.
> >
> > Yep! Great idea! Do it! Show us!
>
> I'll have to get back to you on that...

How does an electric mane improve an aircraft? :>)

[Morgans[_3_]]

"Orval Fairbairn" > wrote

> How does an electric mane improve an aircraft? :>)

Frickin' keyboard! <g>

See other response to the same question!
--
Jim in NC