Military Air Fields

[Paul kgyy]

Military airfields are shown on charts just like any other airport,
with no indication that they are prohibited or restricted.

What is the rule with these? Can I just land there as long as I
establish tower contact? Or is the chart depiction present only for
emergency purposes?

Sorry for the (probably) dumb question, but seems like something I
ought to know :-)

[The Visitor]

Paul kgyy wrote:
Can I just land there as long as I
> establish tower contact?

You mean permission?

During some training I did touch and goes at a military field. But would
not have considered doing it myself. I seem to remember the instructor
telling me that was the most we could do, as we would not be allowed to
leave the runway. It was a big runway.

I suppose you could ask.

[Jim Macklin]

There are some military airfields that allow civil use, but
in general, you need advance permission to land at any
military base. Air Force bases are very strict and since
9/11, the guns are loaded.

Army airfields are , last I heard, by the base commander,
Air Force requires permission from the Pentagon and all
levels below. You need insurance "on file" with the base
and clearance for the people on board.

In an emergency, they will allow you to land, but don't
expect a red carpet. Don't expect to fly out after some
repairs, you may have to take it apart and truck it out.

Shepard AFB does advanced training, but has a runway
available to civilians and special VFR pattern. If civil
operations are allowed, the base should be listed in the AFD
along with contact information.
Wichita Falls, TX
http://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.sheppard.af.mil/&revid=1826279073&sa=X&oi=revisions_inline&ct=result&cd=1

Call well in advance and get the paperwork completed and on
file.

[PDF] DD Form 2401, Civil Aircraft Landing Permit, August
2004 File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
Permission is requested to use the listed military
airfield(s). It is understood and agreed that: ... to each
landing for final clearance instruc- ...
www.dtic.mil/whs/directives/
infomgt/forms/eforms/dd2401.pdf - Similar pages


--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

"The Visitor" > wrote in
message ...
|
|
| Paul kgyy wrote:
| Can I just land there as long as I
| > establish tower contact?
|
| You mean permission?
|
| During some training I did touch and goes at a military
field. But would
| not have considered doing it myself. I seem to remember
the instructor
| telling me that was the most we could do, as we would not
be allowed to
| leave the runway. It was a big runway.
|
| I suppose you could ask.
|

[Denny]

Call the tower while still outside the airport traffic area and make
your request.. Whatever the man says, goes... Simple, eh wot...

denny

[Peter R.]

Paul kgyy > wrote:

> What is the rule with these? Can I just land there as long as I
> establish tower contact? Or is the chart depiction present only for
> emergency purposes?

There is a military airport north of Syracuse, NY, called Wheeler-Sack,
which is an army airfield supporting Fort Drum.

Regarding this airport, the approach and tower will let civvies fly their
PAR approach upon request (I have asked a few times), but the restriction
placed on us by them is that we cannot touch our wheels to their runway.

I assumed that other bases around the US were similarly restrictive
(assuming, of course, that they were not located under restricted
airspace).

--
Peter

[Bob Gardner]

My experience is similar to that of Peter R. They will approve a PAR for
practice but will not allow you to land. Of course, this does not apply to
joint-use airports.

Bob Gardner

"Paul kgyy" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> Military airfields are shown on charts just like any other airport,
> with no indication that they are prohibited or restricted.
>
> What is the rule with these? Can I just land there as long as I
> establish tower contact? Or is the chart depiction present only for
> emergency purposes?
>
> Sorry for the (probably) dumb question, but seems like something I
> ought to know :-)
>

[Bob Gardner]

When I was on active duty as the Chief of the Communications Division for
the 13th Coast Guard District, I needed approval from the base CO 24 hours
in advance in order to land at the Port Angeles Air Station to perform an
inspection...and the inspection date had been coordinated with the CO well
in advance.

A similar situation was when I went to McChord AFB to talk with them about
the search-and-rescue teletype net (am I dating myself?).

Barring an emergency, I can't imagine trying to get into an active military
field from a few miles out.

Bob Gardner

"Denny" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Call the tower while still outside the airport traffic area and make
> your request.. Whatever the man says, goes... Simple, eh wot...
>
> denny
>

[Dana M. Hague]

When I worked at NAEC Lakehurst some 20 years ago, I wanted to land my
T-Craft there and at Pax River and NADC Warminster, where I often had
to go. I needed a damm good reason, advance permission, and
$1,000,000 liability insurance... not worth the hassle.

If I didn't have my own plane, I would have joined the base aero
club... they had a T-34 and being based there, it could land at any
military field.

-Dana

On 19 Jul 2006 07:09:56 -0700, "Paul kgyy" >
wrote:

>Military airfields are shown on charts just like any other airport,
>with no indication that they are prohibited or restricted.
>
>What is the rule with these? Can I just land there as long as I
>establish tower contact? Or is the chart depiction present only for
>emergency purposes?
>
>Sorry for the (probably) dumb question, but seems like something I
>ought to know :-)

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[Viperdoc[_1_]]

You are not permitted to land at a military only airfield without proof of
insurance and a "hold harmless" waiver. Also, you need advanced permission
regarding the exact time you expect to land, as well as the purpose of your
visit. You should also contact the security forces and tell them that you
are landing, as well as the base command post and the airport manager.
Sometimes the communications could be better between these groups.

There will not be any services available, such as gas, computer access, etc,
nor will you probably be allowed to enter any buildings.

Likely, you will not be granted permission unless you have some official
business. If there is live ordinance loaded on the planes on the ramp or the
mission involves nuclear alert, don't even bother to try asking. In some of
these situations the security forces are authorized the use of deadly force
to protect our assets.

I've been trying for a while to fly to our Air Guard ramp (where I am a
member), which is co located on a civilian airport, and so far have not had
much luck. The paperwork and other restrictions make it so restrictive as to
be non viable.

[vincent p. norris]

I seem to recall that several years ago, AOPA Pilot carried an article
stating that a military veteran could obtain permission ahead of time
to land at some Air Force and Navy fields, and even stay at the BOQ.

Doesn't anyone else recall that?

vince norris

[D&D]

vincent p. norris wrote:
> I seem to recall that several years ago, AOPA Pilot carried an article
> stating that a military veteran could obtain permission ahead of time
> to land at some Air Force and Navy fields, and even stay at the BOQ.
>
> Doesn't anyone else recall that?

After retiring from the Navy, my Dad took a job flying for Transamerica.
Since we lived in the Bay Area, and his flights originated in San Diego,
he'd drive up to Travis AFB and dead head down to North Island, where he
would stay at the BOQ. He retired from all that in the mid 80s, so I
don't know if that's an option anymore.

Debbie

[Ross Richardson[_1_]]

I had the opportunity several years ago to land at the NAS-Joint Reserve
Base in Fort Worth, TX. I had to sign all sorts of paperwork. But
arriving on final to land and 4 F-16s are waiting to takeoff - priceless.

Ross
KSWI

Viperdoc wrote:

> You are not permitted to land at a military only airfield without proof of
> insurance and a "hold harmless" waiver. Also, you need advanced permission
> regarding the exact time you expect to land, as well as the purpose of your
> visit. You should also contact the security forces and tell them that you
> are landing, as well as the base command post and the airport manager.
> Sometimes the communications could be better between these groups.
>
> There will not be any services available, such as gas, computer access, etc,
> nor will you probably be allowed to enter any buildings.
>
> Likely, you will not be granted permission unless you have some official
> business. If there is live ordinance loaded on the planes on the ramp or the
> mission involves nuclear alert, don't even bother to try asking. In some of
> these situations the security forces are authorized the use of deadly force
> to protect our assets.
>
> I've been trying for a while to fly to our Air Guard ramp (where I am a
> member), which is co located on a civilian airport, and so far have not had
> much luck. The paperwork and other restrictions make it so restrictive as to
> be non viable.
>
>

[Casey Wilson[_1_]]

I have applied for and been turned down for landing privileges at the Los
Alamitos Training Center in California. The base has little military
traffic, no classified work, and other than its Class-D airspace no SUA. An
active CAP squadron is based there and they do periodic glider flights with
their cadet cadre. Except during moderate or higher security alerts, the
base is open for civilian vehicular traffic. It would be great to be able to
land there because my daughter lives right around the corner AND I wouldn't
have to fuss with the traffic at LGB (Long Beach). Oh well..... sigh....

[Jay Masino]

Viperdoc > wrote:
> You are not permitted to land at a military only airfield without proof of
> insurance and a "hold harmless" waiver. Also, you need advance permission
<SNIP>

This is also true of NASA facilities. I work at NASA's Wallops Island facility,
and I can't even get permission unless I have an official reason for it. I
have received persmission two times in the past, and it was fairly cool. For
now, I just have to "put up" with all the jet noise outside my office (usually
P-3s or E-2Cs, with a couple of military Lears or F/A-18s thrown in).

--- Jay


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[Skywise]

"Casey Wilson" <N2310D @ gmail.com> wrote in news:ABPvg.14173$rT6.4658
@trnddc03:

> I have applied for and been turned down for landing privileges at the Los
> Alamitos Training Center in California. The base has little military

I too live near KSLI, about where they turn on final in
the pattern. (Katella & Western, if you know the area)

It's been a bit busy the past few days. Usually it's just
the daily twin turbo's and occasional rotor wing. But lately
there've been several pairs of Chinooks, Sea Kings, Blackhawks,
and a couple C-130's going right over my house.

Oh, and my frind the WB-57 was back today as well, flying
in circles for a couple hours right over this area.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NASA926/history/20060720/1715Z/KNKX/KNKX

Brian
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[Andrew Sarangan[_1_]]

When I was at Albuquerque (ABQ) we mingled with military aircraft all
the time. It was a joint use airport at Kirtland AFB. GA aicraft,
airlines and F16s shared the same runways. There were even transient
NASA training jets, and I once met a shuttle astronaut waiting to fuel
his airplane on the GA ramp.

Ross Richardson wrote:
> I had the opportunity several years ago to land at the NAS-Joint Reserve
> Base in Fort Worth, TX. I had to sign all sorts of paperwork. But
> arriving on final to land and 4 F-16s are waiting to takeoff - priceless.
>
> Ross
> KSWI
>

[Skywise]

"Morgans" > wrote in :

>
> "Skywise" > wrote
>>
>> Oh, and my frind the WB-57 was back today as well, flying
>> in circles for a couple hours right over this area.
>>
>>
> http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NASA926/history/20060720/1715Z/KNKX/KNKX
>
> What was the multiple on top of multiple perfect circles in the upper left
> side of the flight trace? Gaining and losing altitude?

For the period I was watching, which was only for the last
half dozen circles or so, the altitude reported was 50K.
In fact, the track log bears this out.

http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NASA926/history/20060720/1715Z/KNKX/KNKX/t
racklog

I'm not 100% sure many times he circled, but doing a Mk. 1
eyeball scan of the track log, it looks to be about 20 times.

Brian
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[Morgans[_3_]]

"Skywise" > wrote
>
> Oh, and my frind the WB-57 was back today as well, flying
> in circles for a couple hours right over this area.
>
>
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NASA926/history/20060720/1715Z/KNKX/KNKX

What was the multiple on top of multiple perfect circles in the upper left
side of the flight trace? Gaining and losing altitude?
--
Jim in NC

[Morgans[_3_]]

"Skywise" > wrote
>
> For the period I was watching, which was only for the last
> half dozen circles or so, the altitude reported was 50K.
> In fact, the track log bears this out.
>
>
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NASA926/history/20060720/1715Z/KNKX/KNKX/t
> racklog

I forgot about the flightlog. Thanks.
--
Jim in NC

[john smith]

In article >,
"Morgans" > wrote:

> "Skywise" > wrote
> >
> > For the period I was watching, which was only for the last
> > half dozen circles or so, the altitude reported was 50K.
> > In fact, the track log bears this out.
> >
> >
> http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NASA926/history/20060720/1715Z/KNKX/KNKX/tracklog

WOW!!! Descent from FL500 to 700 ft in 23 minutes!

[Morgans[_3_]]

"john smith" > wrote

> >
http://flightaware.com/live/flight/NASA926/history/20060720/1715Z/KNKX/KNKX/tracklog
>
> WOW!!! Descent from FL500 to 700 ft in 23 minutes!

That thing is just a really fancy jet powered sailplane. I'll bet it has
some really effective spoilers, and it is obvious that he used the, huh? <g>

Really a little over 2,000 feet per minute is not all that bad. I'll bet he
climbs the first part going up, even faster, until he gets really high.
--
Jim in NC