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I see in the 18M nationals Day 1 results that two pilots got zapped for
airspace violations.

I find the applied rule (12.2.5.5.2, "100 [points] plus loss of all
daily points") to be somewhat curious. It means that a pilot who flies
the minimum distance while nicking an airspace before landing out only
gets penalized half the amount that the day's top gun does who nicks
the same airspace.

(I wish I could pay taxes that way ... "Sorry, IRS, I only have $500
left to pay that $1000 tax bill. Why, yes, I could give you the $500
and call it even. Thanks!")

Why doesn't the rule use a flat penalty, like 1000 points, that applies
to the pilot's cumulative score? Another rule could clarify the latter:
"A pilot's cumulative score is the sum of the pilot's daily scores
minus the sum of all penalties, or zero, whichever is greater." Doesn't
seem that would be a challenge for WinScore.

I also note with some curiosity that 5 of the top 7 finishers for the
day were flying 15M gliders. Must have been a strong day! (It seems,
after all, there is at least one substitute for span!)

~ted/2NO

[Mike the Strike]

Fines based on the wealth of the transgressor are part of at least one
European country's laws and the principle is used even here in the USA.

Perhaps the point penalty should be based instead on an aggregate of
the value of the glider, trailer and retrieve vehicle!

Mike

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But what if it's the "wealthy" pilot who got penalized 500 points on
Day 1 and the "pauper" pilot who lost 1000? By the end of the contest,
the wealthy pilot catches up and wins the contest, beating the pauper
by less than the difference. Is that fair?

[Frank Whiteley]

wrote:
> But what if it's the "wealthy" pilot who got penalized 500 points on
> Day 1 and the "pauper" pilot who lost 1000? By the end of the contest,
> the wealthy pilot catches up and wins the contest, beating the pauper
> by less than the difference. Is that fair?

Fair or not, looks like Charlie has a protest on his hands.

[BTIZ]

so give us a hint.. what was the airspace violation.. Class A? Restricted?
BT

> wrote in message
ups.com...
>I see in the 18M nationals Day 1 results that two pilots got zapped for
> airspace violations.
>
> I find the applied rule (12.2.5.5.2, "100 [points] plus loss of all
> daily points") to be somewhat curious. It means that a pilot who flies
> the minimum distance while nicking an airspace before landing out only
> gets penalized half the amount that the day's top gun does who nicks
> the same airspace.
>
> (I wish I could pay taxes that way ... "Sorry, IRS, I only have $500
> left to pay that $1000 tax bill. Why, yes, I could give you the $500
> and call it even. Thanks!")
>
> Why doesn't the rule use a flat penalty, like 1000 points, that applies
> to the pilot's cumulative score? Another rule could clarify the latter:
> "A pilot's cumulative score is the sum of the pilot's daily scores
> minus the sum of all penalties, or zero, whichever is greater." Doesn't
> seem that would be a challenge for WinScore.
>
> I also note with some curiosity that 5 of the top 7 finishers for the
> day were flying 15M gliders. Must have been a strong day! (It seems,
> after all, there is at least one substitute for span!)
>
> ~ted/2NO
>

[Frank Whiteley]

According to Spratt report on the SSA web site, two busted military
restricted area and two busted Lubbock.

BTIZ wrote:
> so give us a hint.. what was the airspace violation.. Class A? Restricted?
> BT
>
> > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> >I see in the 18M nationals Day 1 results that two pilots got zapped for
> > airspace violations.
> >
> > I find the applied rule (12.2.5.5.2, "100 [points] plus loss of all
> > daily points") to be somewhat curious. It means that a pilot who flies
> > the minimum distance while nicking an airspace before landing out only
> > gets penalized half the amount that the day's top gun does who nicks
> > the same airspace.
> >
> > (I wish I could pay taxes that way ... "Sorry, IRS, I only have $500
> > left to pay that $1000 tax bill. Why, yes, I could give you the $500
> > and call it even. Thanks!")
> >
> > Why doesn't the rule use a flat penalty, like 1000 points, that applies
> > to the pilot's cumulative score? Another rule could clarify the latter:
> > "A pilot's cumulative score is the sum of the pilot's daily scores
> > minus the sum of all penalties, or zero, whichever is greater." Doesn't
> > seem that would be a challenge for WinScore.
> >
> > I also note with some curiosity that 5 of the top 7 finishers for the
> > day were flying 15M gliders. Must have been a strong day! (It seems,
> > after all, there is at least one substitute for span!)
> >
> > ~ted/2NO
> >

[BB]

The lubbock class C posed a classic problem on the first day. Great
cloudstreet goes to lubbock. Blue hole, then storm lies on the right.
You had to accept a period of poor climbs to get around it, and the
temptation to skirt the class C was strong.

>
> I also note with some curiosity that 5 of the top 7 finishers for the
> day were flying 15M gliders. Must have been a strong day! (It seems,
> after all, there is at least one substitute for span!)

Sorry to report, there isn't a substitute for span now that span comes
with waterballast. I was one of those 5. The day got much stronger than
forecast, so the result really depended on geometry exercises, not
performance or skill, as everyone finished under time. And Rick
Walters, winning day 2 in 15m could do well in a 1-26.

Flying alongside the V2CX and ASW29 in my 27 is a humbling experience.
They visibly walk away at about 3 knots even at 100 knots. I guess
it's a good psychological incentive -- you have to push really hard
with a 15 meter glider just to stay even.

John Cochrane BB