Cessna Reveals "Cirrus Killer"

[Darkwing]

http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/12_30-SE/leadnews/cessna_lsa_cirrus_killer_192767-1.html

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DW

[Darkwing]

"Darkwing" <theducksmailATyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/12_30-SE/leadnews/cessna_lsa_cirrus_killer_192767-1.html
>

http://www.avweb.com/newspics/new_cessna2.jpg


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> DW
>

[Kingfish]

So, they didn't land the thing to let the folks have a closer look-see?
What a tease! Funky wing design though... Wonder how it's powered?

[[email protected]]

"Darkwing" <theducksmailATyahoo.com> wrote:
> http://www.avweb.com/newspics/new_cessna2.jpg

What will it *cost*?

[cjcampbell]

Darkwing wrote:
> http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/12_30-SE/leadnews/cessna_lsa_cirrus_killer_192767-1.html
>
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> DW

Looks way cool. Strutless wings, too. And simple. I wonder how far away
it is from certification?

[Jim Macklin]

If you have to ask, you can't afford it.



> wrote in message
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| "Darkwing" <theducksmailATyahoo.com> wrote:
| > http://www.avweb.com/newspics/new_cessna2.jpg
|
| What will it *cost*?

[Kingfish]

wrote:
> "Darkwing" <theducksmailATyahoo.com> wrote:
> > http://www.avweb.com/newspics/new_cessna2.jpg
>
> What will it *cost*?

If it's a Cirrus killer it'd have to be priced accordingly. 400-450k?

[Barney Rubble]

Rotax 912

"Kingfish" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> So, they didn't land the thing to let the folks have a closer look-see?
> What a tease! Funky wing design though... Wonder how it's powered?
>

[Bob Moore]

Barney Rubble wrote
> Rotax 912

Nope! That was for the Light Sport Aircraft, not the Cirrus Killer.
How would you expect to carry 5 people with 100 hp?

Bob Moore

[Jay Beckman]

"Barney Rubble" > wrote in message
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> Rotax 912
>

I think you may have your apples and oranges crossed.

The Cessna LSA POC (Proof Of Concept) is Rotax powered but I didn't see any
references to what is under the cowling of the "Cirrus Killer."

Jay B

[Jim Macklin]

The ROTAX is in the LSA, the engine in the full-size
airplane has not be said, probably a Lycoming 540 but it
could be anything.



"Barney Rubble" > wrote in message
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| Rotax 912
|
| "Kingfish" > wrote in message
|
ups.com...
| > So, they didn't land the thing to let the folks have a
closer look-see?
| > What a tease! Funky wing design though... Wonder how
it's powered?
| >
|
|

[Kingfish]

Bob Moore wrote:
> Barney Rubble wrote
> > Rotax 912
>
> Nope! That was for the Light Sport Aircraft, not the Cirrus Killer.
> How would you expect to carry 5 people with 100 hp?
>

Gee, maybe Cessna's *really* got something up their sleeve? <G>

[Darkwing]

"cjcampbell" > wrote in message
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> Darkwing wrote:
>> http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/12_30-SE/leadnews/cessna_lsa_cirrus_killer_192767-1.html
>>
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>> DW
>
> Looks way cool. Strutless wings, too. And simple. I wonder how far away
> it is from certification?
>

They really busted some ass getting it in the air. I like it, looks damn
good. I'm sure I won't own one anytime soon!

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DW

[Matt Whiting]

Darkwing wrote:
> "cjcampbell" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>
>>Darkwing wrote:
>>
>>>http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/12_30-SE/leadnews/cessna_lsa_cirrus_killer_192767-1.html
>>>
>>>----------------------------------------------------
>>>DW
>>
>>Looks way cool. Strutless wings, too. And simple. I wonder how far away
>>it is from certification?
>>
>
>
> They really busted some ass getting it in the air. I like it, looks damn
> good. I'm sure I won't own one anytime soon!

The above link appears to have expired and I searched Avweb and didn't
find anything under "Cirrus killer", at least nothing with pictures.
Anyone know of an alternate link?

Matt

[Jim Macklin]

http://www.avweb.com/newspics/new_cessna2.jpg

http://www.avweb.com/newspics/Cessna_LSA1.jpg

http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/684-full.html#192722

http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/12_30-SE/leadnews/hondajet_cessna_lsa_cirrus_killer_192767-1.html



--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

"Matt Whiting" > wrote in message
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| Darkwing wrote:
| > "cjcampbell" > wrote in
message
| >
oups.com...
| >
| >>Darkwing wrote:
| >>
|
>>>http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/12_30-SE/leadnews/cessna_lsa_cirrus_killer_192767-1.html
| >>>
| >>>----------------------------------------------------
| >>>DW
| >>
| >>Looks way cool. Strutless wings, too. And simple. I
wonder how far away
| >>it is from certification?
| >>
| >
| >
| > They really busted some ass getting it in the air. I
like it, looks damn
| > good. I'm sure I won't own one anytime soon!
|
| The above link appears to have expired and I searched
Avweb and didn't
| find anything under "Cirrus killer", at least nothing with
pictures.
| Anyone know of an alternate link?
|
| Matt

[Thomas Borchert]

Bob,

> How would you expect to carry 5 people with 100 hp?
>

With the added levitation spell, it's no problem.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Matt Whiting]

Jim Macklin wrote:

> http://www.avweb.com/newspics/new_cessna2.jpg
>
> http://www.avweb.com/newspics/Cessna_LSA1.jpg
>
> http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/684-full.html#192722
>
> http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/12_30-SE/leadnews/hondajet_cessna_lsa_cirrus_killer_192767-1.html

Thanks. A touch on the homely side, but very interesting nonetheless.
It will be curious to see what affect this has on the market if they
actually take it into production.

Matt

[Jim Macklin]

Any activity is welcomed. Good paint is always needed.



"Matt Whiting" > wrote in message
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| Jim Macklin wrote:
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| > http://www.avweb.com/newspics/new_cessna2.jpg
| >
| > http://www.avweb.com/newspics/Cessna_LSA1.jpg
| >
| >
http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archives/avflash/684-full.html#192722
| >
| >
http://www.avweb.com/avwebflash/12_30-SE/leadnews/hondajet_cessna_lsa_cirrus_killer_192767-1.html
|
| Thanks. A touch on the homely side, but very interesting
nonetheless.
| It will be curious to see what affect this has on the
market if they
| actually take it into production.
|
| Matt

[Matt Whiting]

Jim Macklin wrote:
> Any activity is welcomed. Good paint is always needed.

I agree. Almost anything Cessna does will have a positive impact on the
industry.

Matt

[StudentPPSEL]

"Kingfish" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> wrote:
> > "Darkwing" <theducksmailATyahoo.com> wrote:
> > > http://www.avweb.com/newspics/new_cessna2.jpg
> >
> > What will it *cost*?
>
> If it's a Cirrus killer it'd have to be priced accordingly. 400-450k?
>

Well that just put it WAYYYY!! beyond my price range. Somewhere about 20 to
35k is about as far as I could go!

Besides, who the hell could afford a half million dollar,4 place single
engine aircraft anyway? Certainly not your average hourly wage earner such
as myself!

[Jim Macklin]

The Bonanza is nearing a million and the Baron cost more
than a Eclipse 500. Do you think that might be why Raytheon
is considering selling Beechcraft?



"StudentPPSEL" > wrote in message
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|
| "Kingfish" > wrote in message
|
ups.com...
| >
| > wrote:
| > > "Darkwing" <theducksmailATyahoo.com> wrote:
| > > > http://www.avweb.com/newspics/new_cessna2.jpg
| > >
| > > What will it *cost*?
| >
| > If it's a Cirrus killer it'd have to be priced
accordingly. 400-450k?
| >
|
| Well that just put it WAYYYY!! beyond my price range.
Somewhere about 20 to
| 35k is about as far as I could go!
|
| Besides, who the hell could afford a half million dollar,4
place single
| engine aircraft anyway? Certainly not your average hourly
wage earner such
| as myself!
|
|

[Tom Conner]

"StudentPPSEL" > wrote in message
news:Rrmyg.250819$iF6.195191@pd7tw2no...
>
> "Kingfish" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> >
> > wrote:
> > > "Darkwing" <theducksmailATyahoo.com> wrote:
> > > > http://www.avweb.com/newspics/new_cessna2.jpg
> > >
> > > What will it *cost*?
> >
> > If it's a Cirrus killer it'd have to be priced accordingly.
> > 400-450k?
> >
>
> Well that just put it WAYYYY!! beyond my price range. Somewhere
> about 20 to 35k is about as far as I could go!
>
> Besides, who the hell could afford a half million dollar,4 place
> single engine aircraft anyway? Certainly not your average hourly
> wage earner such as myself!

This answer really belongs in the "Why GA Is Dying" thread.

[Kingfish]

Jim Macklin wrote:
> The Bonanza is nearing a million and the Baron cost more
> than a Eclipse 500. Do you think that might be why Raytheon
> is considering selling Beechcraft?
>

$4+ for 100LL isn't helping, but typically the people that can afford a
Bonanza or Baron can deal with the cost of fuel. BTW, the G58 Baron
goes around 1.2M while the Eclipse is 1.45M. Kinda makes you wonder
who's buying Beech's piston twins?

[Jim Macklin]

Particularly when you look at speed and maintenance costs
per mile.



"Kingfish" > wrote in message
ups.com...
|
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| > The Bonanza is nearing a million and the Baron cost more
| > than a Eclipse 500. Do you think that might be why
Raytheon
| > is considering selling Beechcraft?
| >
|
| $4+ for 100LL isn't helping, but typically the people that
can afford a
| Bonanza or Baron can deal with the cost of fuel. BTW, the
G58 Baron
| goes around 1.2M while the Eclipse is 1.45M. Kinda makes
you wonder
| who's buying Beech's piston twins?
|

[Matt Barrow[_1_]]

"StudentPPSEL" > wrote in message news:Rrmyg.250819
>> > > http://www.avweb.com/newspics/new_cessna2.jpg
>> >
>> > What will it *cost*?
>>
>> If it's a Cirrus killer it'd have to be priced accordingly. 400-450k?
>>
>
> Well that just put it WAYYYY!! beyond my price range. Somewhere about 20
> to
> 35k is about as far as I could go!
>
> Besides, who the hell could afford a half million dollar,4 place single
> engine aircraft anyway?

Probably those people who won lifes lottery and fly their own +$1M aircraft.

> Certainly not your average hourly wage earner such
> as myself!

There's a hell of a lot of people, unlike yourself, that created businesses,
thus making much more $$$ than you and who use them for business, thus
garnering tax deductions whilst enjoying their $500K, and even more,
aircraft.

Maybe you should buy another life's lottery ticket?


--
Matt
---------------------
Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO (MTJ)

[Matt Barrow[_1_]]

"Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
news:F_myg.84437$ZW3.8195@dukeread04...
> The Bonanza is nearing a million and the Baron cost more
> than a Eclipse 500.

And neither are turbo'ed, sao they get to ride down in the low altitude
turbulence...

> Do you think that might be why Raytheon
> is considering selling Beechcraft?

With their overhead, I wonder how much that affects the prices?

--
Matt
---------------------
Matthew W. Barrow
Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
Montrose, CO (MTJ)

[Thomas Borchert]

StudentPPSEL,

> Besides, who the hell could afford a half million dollar,4 place single
> engine aircraft anyway? Certainly not your average hourly wage earner such
> as myself!
>

All the guys buying Cirrus SR22s - when there is a much lower cost
alternative available in the form of the SR20.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Thomas Borchert]

Jim,

> The Bonanza is nearing a million and the Baron cost more
> than a Eclipse 500. Do you think that might be why Raytheon
> is considering selling Beechcraft?
>

Cessna is building a Cirrus killer, not a Bonanza killer. The reason is
that Bonanzas practically don't sell new.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Thomas Borchert]

Kingfish,

> Kinda makes you wonder
> who's buying Beech's piston twins?
>

Next to nobody. Look at the numbers.

--
Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

[Jim Macklin]

I think Raytheon sees a lot of liability for the investment.


"Matt Barrow" > wrote in message
...
|
| "Jim Macklin" > wrote
in message
| news:F_myg.84437$ZW3.8195@dukeread04...
| > The Bonanza is nearing a million and the Baron cost more
| > than a Eclipse 500.
|
| And neither are turbo'ed, sao they get to ride down in the
low altitude
| turbulence...
|
| > Do you think that might be why Raytheon
| > is considering selling Beechcraft?
|
| With their overhead, I wonder how much that affects the
prices?
|
| --
| Matt
| ---------------------
| Matthew W. Barrow
| Site-Fill Homes, LLC.
| Montrose, CO (MTJ)
|
|

[Javier[_1_]]

Kingfish wrote:
> Jim Macklin wrote:
>> The Bonanza is nearing a million and the Baron cost more
>> than a Eclipse 500. Do you think that might be why Raytheon
>> is considering selling Beechcraft?
>>
>
> $4+ for 100LL isn't helping, but typically the people that can afford a
> Bonanza or Baron can deal with the cost of fuel. BTW, the G58 Baron
> goes around 1.2M while the Eclipse is 1.45M. Kinda makes you wonder
> who's buying Beech's piston twins?
>

Not many judging from the numbers, but on the other hand is the Eclipse
shipping yet?

-jav

[Jim Macklin]

Next month, just got their initial production certificate.


"Javier" > wrote in message
...
| Kingfish wrote:
| > Jim Macklin wrote:
| >> The Bonanza is nearing a million and the Baron cost
more
| >> than a Eclipse 500. Do you think that might be why
Raytheon
| >> is considering selling Beechcraft?
| >>
| >
| > $4+ for 100LL isn't helping, but typically the people
that can afford a
| > Bonanza or Baron can deal with the cost of fuel. BTW,
the G58 Baron
| > goes around 1.2M while the Eclipse is 1.45M. Kinda makes
you wonder
| > who's buying Beech's piston twins?
| >
|
| Not many judging from the numbers, but on the other hand
is the Eclipse
| shipping yet?
|
| -jav