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[FlipSide]

"Mysterious Phenomenon Kills Millions Each Year"


http://www.theonion.com/content/node/50901

[Larry Dighera]

On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:30:53 -0400, FlipSide wrote in
>::

>"Mysterious Phenomenon Kills Millions Each Year"
>
>
>http://www.theonion.com/content/node/50901

"Howard R. Trojanowski, a Pierre-bound, 2-year-old field sparrow
who had been licensed to fly since two weeks after he was hatched
and had logged over 60,000 flying hours, departed from a ledge
near Sioux Falls Regional Airport at 11:04 a.m. CST. Trojanowski
never reached his intended tree branch, instead striking a
tempered-glass picture window 2.5 miles northwest of Mitchell 74
minutes after takeoff at an estimated speed of 39 mph."

Pleeezze. This attempt at humor is appropriate for Mr. Rogers or Cpt.
Kangaroo.

[Dudley Henriques[_1_]]

See Larry, it works!! "No child left behind"
:-))
DH
"Larry Dighera" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:30:53 -0400, FlipSide wrote in
> >::
>
>>"Mysterious Phenomenon Kills Millions Each Year"
>>
>>
>>http://www.theonion.com/content/node/50901
>
> "Howard R. Trojanowski, a Pierre-bound, 2-year-old field sparrow
> who had been licensed to fly since two weeks after he was hatched
> and had logged over 60,000 flying hours, departed from a ledge
> near Sioux Falls Regional Airport at 11:04 a.m. CST. Trojanowski
> never reached his intended tree branch, instead striking a
> tempered-glass picture window 2.5 miles northwest of Mitchell 74
> minutes after takeoff at an estimated speed of 39 mph."
>
> Pleeezze. This attempt at humor is appropriate for Mr. Rogers or Cpt.
> Kangaroo.

[FlipSide]

On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 19:45:23 GMT, Larry Dighera >
wrote:

>On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 15:30:53 -0400, FlipSide wrote in
>::
>
>>"Mysterious Phenomenon Kills Millions Each Year"
>>
>>
>>http://www.theonion.com/content/node/50901
>
> "Howard R. Trojanowski, a Pierre-bound, 2-year-old field sparrow
> who had been licensed to fly since two weeks after he was hatched
> and had logged over 60,000 flying hours, departed from a ledge
> near Sioux Falls Regional Airport at 11:04 a.m. CST. Trojanowski
> never reached his intended tree branch, instead striking a
> tempered-glass picture window 2.5 miles northwest of Mitchell 74
> minutes after takeoff at an estimated speed of 39 mph."
>
>Pleeezze. This attempt at humor is appropriate for Mr. Rogers or Cpt.
>Kangaroo.

Whatever.

[Jim Logajan]

Larry Dighera > wrote:
> Pleeezze. This attempt at humor is appropriate for Mr. Rogers or Cpt.
> Kangaroo.

Seems more along the lines of Soupy Sales or maybe Steve Allen. Anyway, I
found it amusing.

[Brad[_1_]]

Larry Dighera wrote:

> Pleeezze. This attempt at humor is appropriate for Mr. Rogers or Cpt.
> Kangaroo.


Sometimes I don't know which is funnier: the Onion, or people who don't
realize the Onion is satire.

[Larry Dighera]

On 25 Jul 2006 16:32:50 -0700, "Brad" > wrote in
om>::

>
>Larry Dighera wrote:
>
>> Pleeezze. This attempt at humor is appropriate for Mr. Rogers or Cpt.
>> Kangaroo.
>
>
>Sometimes I don't know which is funnier: the Onion, or people who don't
>realize the Onion is satire.


Silly me, I thought it was supposed to be entertaining, instead of
insipidly banal. I guess humor is like beauty...

[Grumman-581[_1_]]

On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 19:45:23 GMT, Larry Dighera >
wrote:
> "Howard R. Trojanowski, a Pierre-bound, 2-year-old field sparrow
> who had been licensed to fly since two weeks after he was hatched
> and had logged over 60,000 flying hours, departed from a ledge
> near Sioux Falls Regional Airport at 11:04 a.m. CST. Trojanowski
> never reached his intended tree branch, instead striking a
> tempered-glass picture window 2.5 miles northwest of Mitchell 74
> minutes after takeoff at an estimated speed of 39 mph."
>
> Pleeezze. This attempt at humor is appropriate for Mr. Rogers or Cpt.
> Kangaroo.

If they're going to do satire, at least they could get the hours
right... It's physically impossible to do 60,000 hours in 2 years
since there are only 17,520 hours in 2 years... Minus the first 2
weeks and thus the maxium is 17,184 hours... Damn news media can't get
anything right with respect to aviation... <grin>

[Jim Macklin]

It could as easily been a mid air collision with a hawk's
landing gear. Two years is a long time for a wild bird,
most live a single season and breed once.


"Grumman-581" > wrote
in message
...
| On Tue, 25 Jul 2006 19:45:23 GMT, Larry Dighera
>
| wrote:
| > "Howard R. Trojanowski, a Pierre-bound, 2-year-old
field sparrow
| > who had been licensed to fly since two weeks after
he was hatched
| > and had logged over 60,000 flying hours, departed
from a ledge
| > near Sioux Falls Regional Airport at 11:04 a.m. CST.
Trojanowski
| > never reached his intended tree branch, instead
striking a
| > tempered-glass picture window 2.5 miles northwest of
Mitchell 74
| > minutes after takeoff at an estimated speed of 39
mph."
| >
| > Pleeezze. This attempt at humor is appropriate for Mr.
Rogers or Cpt.
| > Kangaroo.
|
| If they're going to do satire, at least they could get the
hours
| right... It's physically impossible to do 60,000 hours in
2 years
| since there are only 17,520 hours in 2 years... Minus the
first 2
| weeks and thus the maxium is 17,184 hours... Damn news
media can't get
| anything right with respect to aviation... <grin>

[Casey Wilson[_1_]]

"Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
news:yUZxg.84299$ZW3.61152@dukeread04...
> It could as easily been a mid air collision with a hawk's
> landing gear. Two years is a long time for a wild bird,
> most live a single season and breed once.
>
If your accuracy above is typical of your aviation related posts,
your credibility is sagging badly. Do you check things before you make broad
statements like that?

Here's a short list of a few North American wild birds:

Species Common Age
Number Name Yrs-Mos

3930 Hairy Woodpecker 15-11
3940 Downy Woodpecker 11-11
3950 Red-cockaded Woodpecker 16-01
3960 Ladder-backed Woodpecker 4-06
4020 Yellow-bellied Sapsucker 6-09
4040 Williamson's Sapsucker 4-00
4050 Pileated Woodpecker 12-11
4060 Red-headed Woodpecker 9-11
4070 Acorn Woodpecker 9-06
4090 Red-bellied Woodpecker 12-01


You can find more at:
http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/BBL/homepage/longvlst.htm

The mated pair of Mockingbirds nesting in my acacia are back for their
eighth year.

The Artic Tern has an average life span exceeding thirty years.

[Jim Macklin]

Look up quail, pheasants, and ask your local state office
about how many birds die each year and what a breeding
population is. Some birds may have the possibility of a
long life, but nature has a tendency for them to die in hot
weather, cold weather, or be eaten by cats, dogs, other
birds, snakes, and even a few humans.

BTW, Woddy Woodpecker has been around more than 60 years,
but so has Superman.


No, I don't check things beyond my recollection of common
facts.


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"Casey Wilson" <N2310D @ gmail.com> wrote in message
news:Yu3yg.31940$aW2.25970@trnddc03...
|
| "Jim Macklin" > wrote
in message
| news:yUZxg.84299$ZW3.61152@dukeread04...
| > It could as easily been a mid air collision with a
hawk's
| > landing gear. Two years is a long time for a wild bird,
| > most live a single season and breed once.
| >
| If your accuracy above is typical of your
aviation related posts,
| your credibility is sagging badly. Do you check things
before you make broad
| statements like that?
|
| Here's a short list of a few North American wild birds:
|
| Species Common Age
| Number Name Yrs-Mos
|
| 3930 Hairy Woodpecker 15-11
| 3940 Downy Woodpecker 11-11
| 3950 Red-cockaded Woodpecker 16-01
| 3960 Ladder-backed Woodpecker 4-06
| 4020 Yellow-bellied Sapsucker 6-09
| 4040 Williamson's Sapsucker 4-00
| 4050 Pileated Woodpecker 12-11
| 4060 Red-headed Woodpecker 9-11
| 4070 Acorn Woodpecker 9-06
| 4090 Red-bellied Woodpecker 12-01
|
|
| You can find more at:
| http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/BBL/homepage/longvlst.htm
|
| The mated pair of Mockingbirds nesting in my acacia are
back for their
| eighth year.
|
| The Artic Tern has an average life span exceeding thirty
years.
|
|

[Peter R.]

Casey Wilson <N2310D @gmail.com> wrote:

> Here's a short list of a few North American wild birds:

What about bird that are on a typical hawk's dinner menu, such as the
Morning Dove? I certainly don't have detailed knowledge of birds, but it
appears to me that you selected the least tastiest treats out there to
prove your point. :)

--
Peter

[Casey Wilson[_1_]]

"Peter R." > wrote in message
...
> Casey Wilson <N2310D @gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Here's a short list of a few North American wild birds:
>
> What about bird that are on a typical hawk's dinner menu, such as the
> Morning Dove? I certainly don't have detailed knowledge of birds, but it
> appears to me that you selected the least tastiest treats out there to
> prove your point. :)
>

Presuming you meant the Mourning Dove, how about this list:
[note that numbers in the last column are years and months.]

3120 Band-tailed Pigeon 18-06
3140 White-crowned Pigeon 14-05
3151 Spotted Dove 7-08
3160 Mourning Dove 31-04
3180 White-tipped Dove 8-07
3190 White-winged Dove 21-09
3200 Common Ground-Dove 7-02
3210 Inca Dove 10-10


Hmmmm, 31yrs.... and the other popular game bird, the White-winged... but
it only has a typical life span of 21 years

Oh, by the way, bird's are not dinner fare for the "typical" hawk, more like
for the Sharp-Shinned and the Cooper's. You need to do your homework also,
Peter, before you go running off without engaging the brain.

[Peter R.]

Casey Wilson <N2310D @gmail.com> wrote:

> Oh, by the way, bird's are not dinner fare for the "typical" hawk, more like
> for the Sharp-Shinned and the Cooper's. You need to do your homework also,
> Peter, before you go running off without engaging the brain.

And you, sir, need a sense of humor. My post was not meant to be taken as
seriously as you did, but I am appreciative of the additional information
you provided.



--
Peter

[Matt Barrow[_1_]]

"Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
news:yE3yg.84329$ZW3.6174@dukeread04...
> Look up quail, pheasants, and ask your local state office
> about how many birds die each year and what a breeding
> population is. Some birds may have the possibility of a
> long life, but nature has a tendency for them to die in hot
> weather, cold weather, or be eaten by cats, dogs, other
> birds, snakes, and even a few humans.
>
> BTW, Woddy Woodpecker has been around more than 60 years,
> but so has Superman.
>
>
> No, I don't check things beyond my recollection of common
> facts.
>

Given there are thousands of species of wild birds, he cherrypicked a few
from the high end. In addition to what you listed, the young lad evidently
doesn't know the meaning of "most" or the word "average".

Casey, you can take your foot out of your mouth any time now.

> "Casey Wilson" <N2310D @ gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Yu3yg.31940$aW2.25970@trnddc03...
> |
> | "Jim Macklin" > wrote
> in message
> | news:yUZxg.84299$ZW3.61152@dukeread04...
> | > It could as easily been a mid air collision with a
> hawk's
> | > landing gear. Two years is a long time for a wild bird,
> | > most live a single season and breed once.
> | >
> | If your accuracy above is typical of your
> aviation related posts,
> | your credibility is sagging badly. Do you check things
> before you make broad
> | statements like that?
> |
> | Here's a short list of a few North American wild birds:
> |
> | Species Common Age
> | Number Name Yrs-Mos
> |
> | 3930 Hairy Woodpecker 15-11
> | 3940 Downy Woodpecker 11-11
> | 3950 Red-cockaded Woodpecker 16-01
> | 3960 Ladder-backed Woodpecker 4-06
> | 4020 Yellow-bellied Sapsucker 6-09
> | 4040 Williamson's Sapsucker 4-00
> | 4050 Pileated Woodpecker 12-11
> | 4060 Red-headed Woodpecker 9-11
> | 4070 Acorn Woodpecker 9-06
> | 4090 Red-bellied Woodpecker 12-01
> |
> |
> | You can find more at:
> | http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/BBL/homepage/longvlst.htm
> |
> | The mated pair of Mockingbirds nesting in my acacia are
> back for their
> | eighth year.
> |
> | The Artic Tern has an average life span exceeding thirty
> years.
> |
> |
>
>

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Matt Barrow wrote:
> "Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
> news:yE3yg.84329$ZW3.6174@dukeread04...
> > Look up quail, pheasants, and ask your local state office
> > about how many birds die each year and what a breeding
> > population is. Some birds may have the possibility of a
> > long life, but nature has a tendency for them to die in hot
> > weather, cold weather, or be eaten by cats, dogs, other
> > birds, snakes, and even a few humans.
> >
> > BTW, Woddy Woodpecker has been around more than 60 years,
> > but so has Superman.
> >
> >
> > No, I don't check things beyond my recollection of common
> > facts.
> >
>
> Given there are thousands of species of wild birds, he cherrypicked a few
> from the high end. In addition to what you listed, the young lad evidently
> doesn't know the meaning of "most" or the word "average".
>
> Casey, you can take your foot out of your mouth any time now.
>

Why would Casey need to take his foot out of his mouth for being right?
Most birds (or if you prefer... the "average" bird) certainly do not
live one year, breed, and then die. Averages for birds can be a bit
misleading, as a high percentage will die in their first months of
life. But most do quite well if they can make it through the 1st year
(and thus, breeding age). It appeared that Casey did not cherry pick
his species at all. I think he just took a group of "random" birds (in
this case, a group of woodpeckers) as an example data set. The data
wouldn't look much different if he looked at waterfowl, doves,
warblers, birds of prey, etc... If anyone needs to take their feet out
of their mouths, it is those who have been arguing with Casey - as he
is clearly the only one in the discussion so far with ANY knowledge of
birds. And btw, the woodpeckers on Casey's list would be no less
appetizing to a hungry Sharp-Shinned Hawk, Coopers Hawk, Peregrine
Falcon, Merlin, etc. than any other species of bird. I routinely see
the Peregrines here (I have 6 nesting pairs within 15 miles) enjoying a
tasty meal of red-headed woodpecker, Hairy Woodpecker, Flicker, etc...

[Matt Barrow[_1_]]

> wrote in message
ups.com...
>
> Matt Barrow wrote:
>> "Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
>> news:yE3yg.84329$ZW3.6174@dukeread04...
>> > Look up quail, pheasants, and ask your local state office
>> > about how many birds die each year and what a breeding
>> > population is. Some birds may have the possibility of a
>> > long life, but nature has a tendency for them to die in hot
>> > weather, cold weather, or be eaten by cats, dogs, other
>> > birds, snakes, and even a few humans.
>> >
>> > BTW, Woddy Woodpecker has been around more than 60 years,
>> > but so has Superman.
>> >
>> >
>> > No, I don't check things beyond my recollection of common
>> > facts.
>> >
>>
>> Given there are thousands of species of wild birds, he cherrypicked a few
>> from the high end. In addition to what you listed, the young lad
>> evidently
>> doesn't know the meaning of "most" or the word "average".
>>
>> Casey, you can take your foot out of your mouth any time now.
>>
>
> Why would Casey need to take his foot out of his mouth for being right?
> Most birds (or if you prefer... the "average" bird) certainly do not
> live one year, breed, and then die. Averages for birds can be a bit
> misleading, as a high percentage will die in their first months of
> life.

And THAT is the gist of it. Everything else you blurb is pure schlock.

> But most do quite well if they can make it through the 1st year
> (and thus, breeding age).

Most species in the wild DO NOT live through their first year.

> It appeared that Casey did not cherry pick
> his species at all. I think he just took a group of "random" birds (in
> this case, a group of woodpeckers) as an example data set. The data
> wouldn't look much different if he looked at waterfowl, doves,
> warblers, birds of prey, etc... If anyone needs to take their feet out
> of their mouths, it is those who have been arguing with Casey - as he
> is clearly the only one in the discussion so far with ANY knowledge of
> birds. And btw, the woodpeckers on Casey's list would be no less
> appetizing to a hungry Sharp-Shinned Hawk, Coopers Hawk, Peregrine
> Falcon, Merlin, etc. than any other species of bird. I routinely see
> the Peregrines here (I have 6 nesting pairs within 15 miles) enjoying a
> tasty meal of red-headed woodpecker, Hairy Woodpecker, Flicker, etc...
>

Blather on; you still don't comprehend, do you?

[Casey Wilson[_1_]]

"Matt Barrow" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
> news:yE3yg.84329$ZW3.6174@dukeread04...
>> Look up quail, pheasants, and ask your local state office
>> about how many birds die each year and what a breeding
>> population is. Some birds may have the possibility of a
>> long life, but nature has a tendency for them to die in hot
>> weather, cold weather, or be eaten by cats, dogs, other
>> birds, snakes, and even a few humans.
>>
>> BTW, Woddy Woodpecker has been around more than 60 years,
>> but so has Superman.
>>
>>
>> No, I don't check things beyond my recollection of common
>> facts.
>>
>
> Given there are thousands of species of wild birds, he cherrypicked a few
> from the high end. In addition to what you listed, the young lad evidently
> doesn't know the meaning of "most" or the word "average".
>
> Casey, you can take your foot out of your mouth any time now.


Matt, before you demonstrate any more ignorance on the subject, I invite you
to visit;
http://www.pwrc.usgs.gov/BBL/homepage/longvlst.htm
....and list a few at the low end that I ignored whilst "cherrypicking." If
you look closely, you'll note that the group of avians I listed are in a
contiguous block. While you are there, look up Mr. Macklin's erroneous
implications about quail and pheasants. Feel free to toss in partridge,
grouse and turkey, if you'd like.

And I offer you http://www.sfbbo.org/longevity.htm if you don't like what
you see above. And by all means, feel free to toss in one of your own that
supports yours and Mr. Macklin's ignorance.

As for Macklin's remarks about how many birds die each year, that has
nothing to do with the subject of longevity.

Oh, some closing comments. Infant mortality is NEVER considered when
determining life expectancy or longevity -- in any speicies, including
yours. Also, thank you for the compliment "young lad." I acheived my 70th
birthday this past April. Finally, as a full-time professional writer and
photographer, I do well understand the meaning of most and average. For
example, half of the population of this news group is of lower intelligence
than its average.

Careful with that retort you're considering.... I registered in Mensa
International in 1954.

[Montblack[_1_]]

("Larry Dighera" wrote)
> Pleeezze. This attempt at humor is appropriate for Mr. Rogers or Cpt.
> Kangaroo.


[cue ping-pong balls]
A little to the left please, Lary.


Montblack