OSH rah/rap Party???

[RST Engineering]

I just got back from a business meeting over by SFO and I have seen
absolutely nothing posted about the Wednesday night party in OSH. Are they
all still there? Did I just miss an entire thread? Inquiring minds want
every trivial detail.

Jim

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, "RST Engineering" > said:
>I just got back from a business meeting over by SFO and I have seen
>absolutely nothing posted about the Wednesday night party in OSH. Are they
>all still there? Did I just miss an entire thread? Inquiring minds want
>every trivial detail.

We're all still too drunk^Wtired.

I enjoyed it immensely. The food and beer was plentiful, the conversation
scintillating, and your chair was given pride of place.

--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
"An NT server can be run by an idiot, and usually is." -- Tom Holub, a.h.b-o-i

[john smith]

> We're all still too drunk^Wtired.
> I enjoyed it immensely. The food and beer was plentiful, the conversation
> scintillating, and your chair was given pride of place.

Paul, how did I miss meeting you?
Were you sitting in the group with Montblack?
I had wanted to talk to you about flying the Lance.

[john smith]

In article >,
"RST Engineering" > wrote:

> I just got back from a business meeting over by SFO and I have seen
> absolutely nothing posted about the Wednesday night party in OSH. Are they
> all still there? Did I just miss an entire thread? Inquiring minds want
> every trivial detail.

We are waiting for Honeck to post the official report before we post our
side of the tale.

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, john smith > said:
>> We're all still too drunk^Wtired.
>> I enjoyed it immensely. The food and beer was plentiful, the conversation
>> scintillating, and your chair was given pride of place.
>
>Paul, how did I miss meeting you?
>Were you sitting in the group with Montblack?
>I had wanted to talk to you about flying the Lance.

Most of the time I was talking to Montblack and/or John Ousterhout,
although I did manage to squeeze in a few short conversations with Jay
before his hosting duties called him away.

I've got bad knees, so I try to sit down as much as I can, especially
after a day walking around Oshkosh. So even at parties I tend to find a
chair and park.

I'd love to talk about the Lance, but on Wednesday I'd probably still be
crying about the muffler failure that caused me to have to drive there.

--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
I forsee one of those "open your wallet and repeat after me,
_help yourself_" moments in your local friendly workshop.
-- Tanuki

[Jim Burns]

Wednesday afternoon presented us with a cold front and it's associated wind
and rain. It had us wondering if there would be much of a turn out.
Thankfully, it cleared up just as the airshow ended. I hope someone got a
picture of us sitting under multiple umbrellas chasing the directional rain.

Official count is some what hazy. At one point, while I was still cooking,
I counted 47.
Official group photo will show less than what actually attended due to
multiple comings and goings.

I'm terrible remembering names, so I'll leave the list of attendees to Jay
and others. I'm sure Jay will post a report as soon as he unwinds.

Montblack, in his big yellow Volunteer T-Shirt, deftly piloting the
"Airplane of Mini-vans" was a literal whirlwind of gate guard schmoozing
logistical gymnastics, without which nothing would have happened. I can't
imagine how many people at one end of the airport or the other owe him a
sincere debt of gratitude for his constant running and chasseing on their
behalf. I know I do, Thanks Paul. The man has a heart larger than himself.

Besides Montblack, we had several "Road Warriors" including John Osterhaut
and Paul Tomblin. Their "despite the price of gas and no matter how long it
takes me" enthusiasm was great to see.

Ron and Margy Natalie arrived with wine in hand (the good stuff), only to be
met with two ceremonial boxes of Whine in a Box. I think there are pictures
available for bribery purposes. Rumor has it that Ron is having a custom
wine cellar designed for their new home that will hold many such boxes, er
cases. :)

I don't know when the party ended. The gate nazis announced that they gates
would be locked at 10pm, so Tami, Nick, and I were forced to pack up the
grill and head home.

Thanks to all that could attend and to all that contributed to the party.
Much fun was had by all and we're looking forward to next year.

Jim



"RST Engineering" > wrote in message
...
>I just got back from a business meeting over by SFO and I have seen
>absolutely nothing posted about the Wednesday night party in OSH. Are they
>all still there? Did I just miss an entire thread? Inquiring minds want
>every trivial detail.
>
> Jim
>

[Jay Honeck]

> Thanks to all that could attend and to all that contributed to the party.
> Much fun was had by all and we're looking forward to next year.

We just (like, an hour ago) returned from OSH, and there will be many
photos and stories to come.

Suffice it to say that the rec.aviation party was a smashing success,
with a ton of food (thanks to Jim, Tami and Montblack), drink (thanks
to everyone) and hangar flying served in vast quantities! I believe
attendance pushed 60, this year, but no one really knows... We'll
count heads in the pictures later...

Jim, at one point we set your chair in the middle of our immense
conversational circle, and toasted your legacy as the departures roared
overhead. It was silly, and poignant -- and I'll leave it to
Montblack to explain what happened to your chairs later!

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[.Blueskies.]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message oups.com...
:> Thanks to all that could attend and to all that contributed to the party.
: > Much fun was had by all and we're looking forward to next year.
:
: We just (like, an hour ago) returned from OSH, and there will be many
: photos and stories to come.
:
: Suffice it to say that the rec.aviation party was a smashing success,
: with a ton of food (thanks to Jim, Tami and Montblack), drink (thanks
: to everyone) and hangar flying served in vast quantities! I believe
: attendance pushed 60, this year, but no one really knows... We'll
: count heads in the pictures later...
:
: Jim, at one point we set your chair in the middle of our immense
: conversational circle, and toasted your legacy as the departures roared
: overhead. It was silly, and poignant -- and I'll leave it to
: Montblack to explain what happened to your chairs later!
:
::-)
: --
: Jay Honeck
: Iowa City, IA
: Pathfinder N56993
: www.AlexisParkInn.com
: "Your Aviation Destination"
:

We, unfortunately or fortunately, were not able to make it because my daughter won tickets to see the Fly Boys premier
showing. Montblack's wheel pads worked great, btw...

Dan from Kalamazoo

[Eric Bartsch]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> > Thanks to all that could attend and to all that contributed to the party.
> > Much fun was had by all and we're looking forward to next year.
>
> We just (like, an hour ago) returned from OSH, and there will be many
> photos and stories to come.
>
> Suffice it to say that the rec.aviation party was a smashing success,
> with a ton of food (thanks to Jim, Tami and Montblack), drink (thanks
> to everyone) and hangar flying served in vast quantities! I believe
> attendance pushed 60, this year, but no one really knows... We'll
> count heads in the pictures later...
>
> Jim, at one point we set your chair in the middle of our immense
> conversational circle, and toasted your legacy as the departures roared
> overhead. It was silly, and poignant -- and I'll leave it to
> Montblack to explain what happened to your chairs later!
>
> :-)
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"

Jay,

How did you and your family fare this morning? I saw you from the bus
as we headed around the end of 27. It was about 30 minutes later that a
bunch of us were huddled in the shower building in the warbirds area
watching the wind/rain roll through. Never did see how the camp sites
fared because we departed 36L.

Thanks for pulling the party together.

Eric
1959 Pilatus P-3 A-848
http://www.hometown.aol.com/bartscher/P3A848.html

[JJS]

"RST Engineering" > wrote in message ...
>I just got back from a business meeting over by SFO and I have seen absolutely nothing posted about the Wednesday
>night party in OSH. Are they all still there? Did I just miss an entire thread? Inquiring minds want every
>trivial detail.
>
> Jim

It is a big secret. If you want to know about these things you just have to show up! Just kidding Jim!

Actually since the wife and I were first timers we just kind of hung around the fringes and pretty much played like
wall flowers at the party. We did talk to Paul Tomblin, Montblack, Mary, and several others including those who
described themselves as either lurkers or semi-lurkers. I thought I was doing pretty good as far as not imbibing too
much in the alcoholic refreshments. However, as I grabbed one for the road from the cooler, I couldn't for the life
of me get the dang twist top bottle open. I tried as we walked in the dark all the way back to the tent site.
Finally the wife looked at me and said something about "I think you had to much". "Why"?, I say. "Because that's
one you need a bottle opener for". Sure 'nough! I didn't even know they still made those antiques bottles!
Somebody set me up. I plead innocent, though. Jim Riley brought some home made apple brandy. I'd had a couple of
hits of that and so that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it. The food was great and the companionship was better.

BTW, I took a few pics of your chair. You were toasted in your absence. I'll try and send the pics to Jay so maybe
he can post them on his website.

Joe Schneider
Cherokee 8437R



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[Jay Honeck]

> Somebody set me up. I plead innocent, though. Jim Riley brought some home made apple brandy. I'd had a couple of
> hits of that and so that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it. The food was great and the companionship was better.

BTW: That was *Richard* Riley who brought the awesome home-made apple
brandy.

Quite frankly, I had forgotten all about it, since, after passing it
around the party a few times, I had forgotten just about everything!
That stuff had some KICK -- although John O. said it wasn't even close
to the potency of that infamous "Muzzle-loader" from Pinckneyville....

Strangely, that fact didn't seem to prevent John from drinking it....I
think...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[RST Engineering]

> Somebody set me up. I plead innocent, though. Jim Riley brought some
> home made apple brandy. I'd had a couple of hits of that and so that's my
> excuse and I'm sticking to it. The food was great and the companionship
> was better.

Son, that's called "Muzzleloader" and you'd better get used to it. Normally
it is peach or blackberry, but it lurks in various fruit varieties. I'd
plead "no contest with an explanation, your Honor."



>
> BTW, I took a few pics of your chair. You were toasted in your absence.
> I'll try and send the pics to Jay so maybe he can post them on his
> website.

Toasted, eh? I've been toasted enough at Oshkosh that a few drinks thrown
my way would be appreciated {;-)


Jim

[Mike Adams[_2_]]

"Jim Burns" > wrote:

> Thanks to all that could attend and to all that contributed to the
> party. Much fun was had by all and we're looking forward to next year.
>
>

Thanks also to you and Tami, Jay, Montblack and others that helped make it happen. It was great to put
faces with some of the names, and the food was great!

We had an excellent week, departing Thursday morning and getting back to Phoenix Friday mid-day
after a night seeing relatives in Colorado.

Mike

[Jay Honeck]

> How did you and your family fare this morning? I saw you from the bus
> as we headed around the end of 27. It was about 30 minutes later that a
> bunch of us were huddled in the shower building in the warbirds area
> watching the wind/rain roll through. Never did see how the camp sites
> fared because we departed 36L.

It was a typical wild Oshkosh storm -- intense, but brief. When the
gust front was approaching, I shot some great pix of the wall cloud --
and then ducked in the tent.

We were all laying on the air bed, facing the windward wall, with our
feet up against the poles. Despite this "bracing", a gust collapsed
the fiberglass poles far enough that the lantern -- hanging from the
center hook of a 6-foot-tall tent -- hit me in the head while I was
laying down! It broke our neighbor's poles in half, sticking them
right through the fabric of his rain fly.

The wind was driving the rain in sideways, a phenomenon for which few
tents are designed. The inside got wet, and we ended up having to take
down in a light sprinkle.

The tent is now in the hangar, hanging up to dry -- along with a lot of
our other stuff. It was over 100 degrees here when we landed, so
everything dried pretty much instantly.

> Thanks for pulling the party together.

No problem -- it was a team effort of Montblack, Jim & Tami, Mary and
me. I mostly just schmoozed and passed the apple brandy around...

:-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Richard Riley[_1_]]

RST Engineering wrote:
> > Somebody set me up. I plead innocent, though. Jim Riley brought some
> > home made apple brandy. I'd had a couple of hits of that and so that's my
> > excuse and I'm sticking to it. The food was great and the companionship
> > was better.
>
> Son, that's called "Muzzleloader" and you'd better get used to it. Normally
> it is peach or blackberry, but it lurks in various fruit varieties. I'd
> plead "no contest with an explanation, your Honor."

No, it's not. It's Falling Block. Chuck and I were going to have a
taste-off, but he got scared at the last minute and didn't show.

[John Ousterhout[_1_]]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> BTW: That was *Richard* Riley who brought the awesome home-made apple
> brandy.
>
> Quite frankly, I had forgotten all about it, since, after passing it
> around the party a few times, I had forgotten just about everything!
> That stuff had some KICK -- although John O. said it wasn't even close
> to the potency of that infamous "Muzzle-loader" from Pinckneyville....
>
> Strangely, that fact didn't seem to prevent John from drinking it....I
> think...

Yep. As an experienced Muzzle-Loader drinker I just had to try to
competition. I had several shots of Richard Riley's 'Falling Block'
Rocket Fuel. I'd rate it about a 8.5 for drinkability and a 7.0 for kick.

OTOH, I rate Muzzle-Loader about 5.0 drinkability and 10.0 kick.

A head to head competition between Richard and Chuck would be a lot of
fun... and leave most participants laying on the ground.

Good Party, Good Food, Good drinks, Great Company. Thanks Jay, Mary,
Paul, Jim, Tami and everyone else that helped.

It was a damn shame I couldn't find my Wrong Brothers Hat.

- J.O.-

[Rich S.[_1_]]

"John Ousterhout" > wrote in
message news:Wmszg.868185$084.13397@attbi_s22...
>
> It was a damn shame I couldn't find my Wrong Brothers Hat.

It's sitting on a table at a garage sale in central Oregon.

Rich S.

[JJS]

"Richard Riley" > wrote in message oups.com...
>
> RST Engineering wrote:
>> > Somebody set me up. I plead innocent, though. Jim Riley brought some
>> > home made apple brandy. I'd had a couple of hits of that and so that's my
>> > excuse and I'm sticking to it. The food was great and the companionship
>> > was better.
>>
>> Son, that's called "Muzzleloader" and you'd better get used to it. Normally
>> it is peach or blackberry, but it lurks in various fruit varieties. I'd
>> plead "no contest with an explanation, your Honor."
>
> No, it's not. It's Falling Block. Chuck and I were going to have a
> taste-off, but he got scared at the last minute and didn't show.


Sorry for the name mistake Richard. I can't remember names even when I'm sober.

Joe Schneider



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[JJS]

"Martin Hotze" > wrote in message ...
> "JJS" <jschneider@remove socks cebridge.net> wrote:
>
>> I didn't even know they still made those antiques bottles!
>
>
> FYI, most (all?) bottles in central Europe are this way.
> Those you can screw open you can clearly see that it works this way.
>

When it's pitch black and I'd been drinking out of screw top bottles it wasn't obvious to me. I haven't used a
bottle opener for years and years. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Europe is still bass ackwards, even when it
comes to beer drinking.

Joe Schneider



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[JJS]

"Martin Hotze" > wrote in message ...
> "JJS" <jschneider@remove socks cebridge.net> wrote:
>
>> I didn't even know they still made those antiques bottles!
>
>
> FYI, most (all?) bottles in central Europe are this way.
> Those you can screw open you can clearly see that it works this way.
>
Look Martin,
It was pitch dark and just grabbed something from the cooler. You couldn't read the labels. I'd been drinking
okay. It wasn't so obvious.



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[John Theune]

JJS wrote:
> "Martin Hotze" > wrote in message ...
>> "JJS" <jschneider@remove socks cebridge.net> wrote:
>>
>>> I didn't even know they still made those antiques bottles!
>>
>> FYI, most (all?) bottles in central Europe are this way.
>> Those you can screw open you can clearly see that it works this way.
>>
>
> When it's pitch black and I'd been drinking out of screw top bottles it wasn't obvious to me. I haven't used a
> bottle opener for years and years. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that Europe is still bass ackwards, even when it
> comes to beer drinking.
>
> Joe Schneider
>
>
>
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Many of the microbrews I buy have the same issue. I believe Corona does
also. As a matter of fact, I use that as a test, if the cap is a screw
top I'm not likely to like the beer much. works for me

John

[B A R R Y[_1_]]

John Theune wrote:
> As a matter of fact, I use that as a test, if the cap is a screw
> top I'm not likely to like the beer much. works for me

I used to believe in the same theory.

Then I discovered Sierra Nevada Pale Ale! Complete with screw top...

[Jay Honeck]

> > As a matter of fact, I use that as a test, if the cap is a screw
> > top I'm not likely to like the beer much. works for me
>
> I used to believe in the same theory.
> Then I discovered Sierra Nevada Pale Ale! Complete with screw top...

Yeah, that doesn't work as a test anymore -- too many outstanding beers
have found ways to eliminate the stupid bottle opener.

When we toured my favorite brewery in the world, Sprecher Brewing in
Milwaukee, last month, I learned two things:

1. Their bottling equipment came from an old Coca-Cola plant, and was
designed for 16 ounce bottles. That's why Sprecher sells their
distinctive "over-sized" bottles of beer.

2. That's also why they are able to "do" screw-top caps.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, "JJS" <jschneider@remove socks cebridge.net> said:
>bottle opener for years and years. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that
>Europe is still bass ackwards, even when it
>comes to beer drinking.

Yeah, those backwards Europeans still believe beer should have flavour,
not just cold bubbles.


--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
"Belligerent Design: The theory that life was put on this planet by an
external sentient force just to **** me off." - Lore Brand Comics

[B A R R Y[_1_]]

Paul Tomblin wrote:
> In a previous article, "JJS" <jschneider@remove socks cebridge.net> said:
>> bottle opener for years and years. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that
>> Europe is still bass ackwards, even when it
>> comes to beer drinking.
>
> Yeah, those backwards Europeans still believe beer should have flavour,
> not just cold bubbles.

American and Canadian brewers currently make some of the most
outstanding brews in the world. Many of these fine products can even be
had at the corner supermarket, no extra work is required to find them.
The belief that American beer is trash is at least 15 years out of date.

My local brew pub has over 60 brews on tap, including barleywines,
casks, etc... and many more in bottles The only non-North American brew
to be found is Stella Artois. They don't serve Bud or Coors products at
all. The only typical "American bubbly water" beer in the house is
bottled Miller Lite for those who just have to have bad beer.

If you're still needing convincing, seek out your favorite variety done
by Magic Hat, Otter Creek, Harpoon, Ipswitch, Rogue River, Sierra
Nevada... If you're ever in CT, and not needing to fly for a while,
I'll treat! <G>

[Peter R.]

B A R R Y > wrote:

> The belief that American beer is trash is at least 15 years out of date.

I am in total agreement of that statement. Just goes to show you, though,
how hard it is to shake a (once well-deserved) reputation. ;)

--
Peter

[B A R R Y[_1_]]

Peter R. wrote:
> B A R R Y > wrote:
>
>> The belief that American beer is trash is at least 15 years out of date.
>
> I am in total agreement of that statement. Just goes to show you, though,
> how hard it is to shake a (once well-deserved) reputation. ;)
>

And well deserved it was!

I'm not going to guess at why people _STILL_ drink drywall-infused
Budweiser, Coors, Miller, etc... 'cause there's no accounting for taste.

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, B A R R Y > said:
>Paul Tomblin wrote:
>> In a previous article, "JJS" <jschneider@remove socks cebridge.net> said:
>>> bottle opener for years and years. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that
>>> Europe is still bass ackwards, even when it
>>> comes to beer drinking.
>>
>> Yeah, those backwards Europeans still believe beer should have flavour,
>> not just cold bubbles.
>
>American and Canadian brewers currently make some of the most
>outstanding brews in the world. Many of these fine products can even be
>had at the corner supermarket, no extra work is required to find them.
>The belief that American beer is trash is at least 15 years out of date.

The problem is that the trash beers are still the biggest sellers and the
most heavily advertised. I wouldn't drink Coors or Bud on a bet, but I
bet individually they outsell all those good beers you mentioned put
together.

I'm just saying you can't call Eurpoe backwards when it comes to beer
drinking when they've been producing good beer for centuries and America
has been doing it for "at least 15 years".

Besides, the best beer comes with a ceramic stopper, not a twist-off.

--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
Once we've got the bugs ironed out, we'll be running on flat bugs

[B A R R Y[_1_]]

Paul Tomblin wrote:
>
> I'm just saying you can't call Eurpoe backwards when it comes to beer
> drinking when they've been producing good beer for centuries and America
> has been doing it for "at least 15 years".
>

I agree, but remember good beer was made in the USA before large brewery
trade organizations kept home brewing illegal after prohibition. Once
home brewing and then the selling of home brews became legal, things
moved right back up! <G>

I had some pretty bad mass-market stuff in Switzerland in 2001. Almost
as bad as Bud. 8^(

[Bela P. Havasreti]

On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:36:07 +0000 (UTC),
(Paul Tomblin) wrote:

>In a previous article, B A R R Y > said:
>>Paul Tomblin wrote:
>>> In a previous article, "JJS" <jschneider@remove socks cebridge.net> said:
>>>> bottle opener for years and years. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that
>>>> Europe is still bass ackwards, even when it
>>>> comes to beer drinking.
>>>
>>> Yeah, those backwards Europeans still believe beer should have flavour,
>>> not just cold bubbles.
>>
>>American and Canadian brewers currently make some of the most
>>outstanding brews in the world. Many of these fine products can even be
>>had at the corner supermarket, no extra work is required to find them.
>>The belief that American beer is trash is at least 15 years out of date.
>
>The problem is that the trash beers are still the biggest sellers and the
>most heavily advertised. I wouldn't drink Coors or Bud on a bet, but I
>bet individually they outsell all those good beers you mentioned put
>together.
>
>I'm just saying you can't call Eurpoe backwards when it comes to beer
>drinking when they've been producing good beer for centuries and America
>has been doing it for "at least 15 years".
>
>Besides, the best beer comes with a ceramic stopper, not a twist-off.

Good point. I always cringe when Anheuser-Busch claims it brews
the "world's best selling beer".

I believe that honor belongs to Paulaner (if it doesn't, it certainly
should....).

Bela P. Havasreti

[Richard Riley[_1_]]

JJS wrote:
> "Richard Riley" > wrote in message oups.com...
> >
> > RST Engineering wrote:
> >> > Somebody set me up. I plead innocent, though. Jim Riley brought some
> >> > home made apple brandy. I'd had a couple of hits of that and so that's my
> >> > excuse and I'm sticking to it. The food was great and the companionship
> >> > was better.
> >>
> >> Son, that's called "Muzzleloader" and you'd better get used to it. Normally
> >> it is peach or blackberry, but it lurks in various fruit varieties. I'd
> >> plead "no contest with an explanation, your Honor."
> >
> > No, it's not. It's Falling Block. Chuck and I were going to have a
> > taste-off, but he got scared at the last minute and didn't show.
>
>
> Sorry for the name mistake Richard. I can't remember names even when I'm sober.
>
> Joe Schneider

No problem. Jim was my dad's name, he was there in spirit.

[Don Tuite]

On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 15:29:48 GMT, Bela P. Havasreti
> wrote:

>On Tue, 1 Aug 2006 14:36:07 +0000 (UTC),
>(Paul Tomblin) wrote:
>
>>In a previous article, B A R R Y > said:
>>>Paul Tomblin wrote:
>>>> In a previous article, "JJS" <jschneider@remove socks cebridge.net> said:
>>>>> bottle opener for years and years. I guess I shouldn't be surprised that
>>>>> Europe is still bass ackwards, even when it
>>>>> comes to beer drinking.
>>>>
>>>> Yeah, those backwards Europeans still believe beer should have flavour,
>>>> not just cold bubbles.
>>>
>>>American and Canadian brewers currently make some of the most
>>>outstanding brews in the world. Many of these fine products can even be
>>>had at the corner supermarket, no extra work is required to find them.
>>>The belief that American beer is trash is at least 15 years out of date.
>>
>>The problem is that the trash beers are still the biggest sellers and the
>>most heavily advertised. I wouldn't drink Coors or Bud on a bet, but I
>>bet individually they outsell all those good beers you mentioned put
>>together.
>>
>>I'm just saying you can't call Eurpoe backwards when it comes to beer
>>drinking when they've been producing good beer for centuries and America
>>has been doing it for "at least 15 years".
>>
>>Besides, the best beer comes with a ceramic stopper, not a twist-off.
>
>Good point. I always cringe when Anheuser-Busch claims it brews
> the "world's best selling beer".
>
>I believe that honor belongs to Paulaner (if it doesn't, it certainly
>should....).
>
I have a hunch Guinness outbrews them all.

But as long as we're this far OT, what's driving US microbrews toward
mediocracy? It used to be they were distinguishable, now they all
taste the same. Twenty years ago, Redhook's Ballard Bitter IPA used
to taste like a real English best bitter. Now it tastes like every
other American IPA. Thirty years ago, popping the cap on an Anchor
Steam produced an aroma reminiscent of McSorley's draft. Now it's
just a heavy yellow beer. And God help us all, while the last time I
was actually in McSorley's was '94, and at that time, the ale still
tasted and smelled the same as it did when I was in college in the
'60s. But evil is afoot. Last May, I was in NJ and I bought a 6-pack
with McSorley's labels on it at a package store, and the brew inside
was just generic hoppy malty stuff. If they've done that to the to
the ale on tap down on 7th street (which was never great beer, but it
was unique at a time when the most interesting brew to be had was
Ballantine Ale), I swear I'm going to save my beer money for flying.

Don

[B A R R Y[_1_]]

Don Tuite wrote:
> Last May, I was in NJ and I bought a 6-pack
> with McSorley's labels on it at a package store, and the brew inside
> was just generic hoppy malty stuff. If they've done that to the to
> the ale on tap down on 7th street (which was never great beer, but it
> was unique at a time when the most interesting brew to be had was
> Ballantine Ale), I swear I'm going to save my beer money for flying.


I agree it's different stuff. My only guess is that the bottles come
from a different contract brewer than the 7th street tap stuff. The 6
pack should come with the cheese / onion platter! <G>

[Don Tuite]

On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 17:36:54 GMT, B A R R Y >
wrote:

>Don Tuite wrote:
>> Last May, I was in NJ and I bought a 6-pack
>> with McSorley's labels on it at a package store, and the brew inside
>> was just generic hoppy malty stuff. If they've done that to the to
>> the ale on tap down on 7th street (which was never great beer, but it
>> was unique at a time when the most interesting brew to be had was
>> Ballantine Ale), I swear I'm going to save my beer money for flying.
>
>
>I agree it's different stuff. My only guess is that the bottles come
>from a different contract brewer than the 7th street tap stuff. The 6
>pack should come with the cheese / onion platter! <G>

Then tradition lives? My faith is restored.

Don

[RomeoMike]

I believe it's not legal for >home< brewers to sell beer. Even home
brewing itself is not legal in >all< states, though the laws aren't
really enforced. Maybe you meant "micro brewing."

B A R R Y wrote:

Once
> home brewing and then the selling of home brews became legal, things
> moved right back up! <G>

[Grumman-581[_1_]]

On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 13:20:30 GMT, B A R R Y >
wrote:
> American and Canadian brewers currently make some of the most
> outstanding brews in the world.

I stumbled across a beer a couple of years ago when I was working on a
DoD contract in New Orleans... Abita TurboDog... Very dark and full
flavor... I would put it at the level of Guinness and Mackesons...

[Grumman-581[_1_]]

On Tue, 01 Aug 2006 19:56:07 +0200, Martin Hotze
> wrote:
> bottles with caps to screw open can cleary be differntiated by feel (in our
> neck of the woods; but only when not drunk *g*). Here I've never come
> across a bottle with a cap working (opening) like Budweiser bottles do, but
> I like the way it works.

I liked the way that the Coors cans worked where you had two circular
impressions that you pushed on and it opened a drinking hole and an
air hole... It was kind of a simplistic Darwinism in action
considering the number of people who cut their fingers or thumbs
opening them... The proper techniquie was to use a knuckle...

[B A R R Y[_1_]]

RomeoMike wrote:
> I believe it's not legal for >home< brewers to sell beer. Even home
> brewing itself is not legal in >all< states, though the laws aren't
> really enforced. Maybe you meant "micro brewing."
>

Nope.

Some great home brewers became professional microbrewers. <G> Home
brewing allowed interest and skills to grow.

Federal law says you can brew for personal use in any state:
<http://www.beertown.org/statutes/usa.htm>

[RomeoMike]

>Home< brewers who became >micro< brewers can sell their >micro< brew.
Home brewers cannot sell their home brew. Their is a difference. I am a
home brewer. I cannot legally sell my brew. I can start a micro brewery
by complying with all state and federal laws governing a business in
general and a beer making business in particular and start selling my
beer, but I still can't sell my home brew.

Federal law allows home brewing, but not all >states< allow it. It's not
the only example of state laws being more restrictive than federal law.
It's against the law in my state to home brew, but there are home brew
supply stores in the state. So states generally leave it alone, though
it's illegal.

B A R R Y wrote:
> RomeoMike wrote:
>> I believe it's not legal for >home< brewers to sell beer. Even home
>> brewing itself is not legal in >all< states, though the laws aren't
>> really enforced. Maybe you meant "micro brewing."
>>
>
> Nope.
>
> Some great home brewers became professional microbrewers. <G> Home
> brewing allowed interest and skills to grow.
>
> Federal law says you can brew for personal use in any state:
> <http://www.beertown.org/statutes/usa.htm>

[RomeoMike]

I need to add that not >all< states make home brewing illegal.

RomeoMike wrote:
> >Home< brewers who became >micro< brewers can sell their >micro< brew.
> Home brewers cannot sell their home brew. Their is a difference. I am a
> home brewer. I cannot legally sell my brew. I can start a micro brewery
> by complying with all state and federal laws governing a business in
> general and a beer making business in particular and start selling my
> beer, but I still can't sell my home brew.
>
> Federal law allows home brewing, but not all >states< allow it. It's not
> the only example of state laws being more restrictive than federal law.
> It's against the law in my state to home brew, but there are home brew
> supply stores in the state. So states generally leave it alone, though
> it's illegal.
>
> B A R R Y wrote:
>> RomeoMike wrote:
>>> I believe it's not legal for >home< brewers to sell beer. Even home
>>> brewing itself is not legal in >all< states, though the laws aren't
>>> really enforced. Maybe you meant "micro brewing."
>>>
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>> Some great home brewers became professional microbrewers. <G> Home
>> brewing allowed interest and skills to grow.
>>
>> Federal law says you can brew for personal use in any state:
>> <http://www.beertown.org/statutes/usa.htm>

[B A R R Y[_1_]]

RomeoMike wrote:
>
>
> Federal law allows home brewing, but not all >states< allow it.

>So what?< <G>

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