Damned Lawyers

[Skylune[_1_]]

Yet another example of how the greedy lawyers are "ruining" GA.

The FAA and the "pilot" bear absolutely no responsibility.

http://www.oregonlive.com/metrowest/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/metro_west_news/1154406349134000.xml&coll=7

[Jim Logajan]

"Skylune" > wrote:
> Yet another example of how the greedy lawyers are "ruining" GA.
>
> The FAA and the "pilot" bear absolutely no responsibility.

Assuming the facts of the story are accurate, the FAA was deceived by the
pilot so I'm not sure why they should be held accountable.

This doesn't appear to be any different than someone having their
automobile driver's license revoked but drives anyway and then causes a
fatal accident.

(Since the target of this suit is an private estate, it's hard to see how a
decision can affect GA one way or another.)

[Skylune[_1_]]

If the article is accurate, I would say the FAA bears some responsibility
due to issuing a new certificate to someone who is using a false SSN.
That would fall under the heading of "negligence."


Of course, I believe the entire FAA culture is negligent regarding GA.
FAA is in the pockets of lobbying groups (like AOPA) who get their demands
rubber stamped, and the FAA's dual missions are hopelessly conflicted:
promoting increased aviation AND (theoretically) keeping the skies safe.


All the threads on the OSH chaos confirm how easy it is for any fool to
get a ticket. I have witnessed them first hand, including my former CFI.

[Guy Elden Jr]

Come on now... everybody must know by now the FAA has only ONE mandate:

"We're not happy, until YOU'RE not happy"

--
Guy


Skylune wrote:
> If the article is accurate, I would say the FAA bears some responsibility
> due to issuing a new certificate to someone who is using a false SSN.
> That would fall under the heading of "negligence."
>
>
> Of course, I believe the entire FAA culture is negligent regarding GA.
> FAA is in the pockets of lobbying groups (like AOPA) who get their demands
> rubber stamped, and the FAA's dual missions are hopelessly conflicted:
> promoting increased aviation AND (theoretically) keeping the skies safe.
>
>
> All the threads on the OSH chaos confirm how easy it is for any fool to
> get a ticket. I have witnessed them first hand, including my former CFI.

[john smith]

In article
utaviation.com>,
"Skylune" > wrote:

> If the article is accurate, I would say the FAA bears some responsibility
> due to issuing a new certificate to someone who is using a false SSN.
> That would fall under the heading of "negligence."

You don't know much about HIPA do you?

[Jose[_1_]]

> All the threads on the OSH chaos confirm how easy it is for any fool to
> get a ticket.

I think you don't understand what a "ticket" really is.

Jose
--
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[Dave S]

john smith wrote:
> In article
> utaviation.com>,
> "Skylune" > wrote:
>
>
>>If the article is accurate, I would say the FAA bears some responsibility
>>due to issuing a new certificate to someone who is using a false SSN.
>>That would fall under the heading of "negligence."
>
>
> You don't know much about HIPA do you?

What does HIPAA have to do with the FAA?

[john smith]

In article et>,
Dave S > wrote:

> john smith wrote:
> > In article
> > utaviation.com>,
> > "Skylune" > wrote:
> >
> >
> >>If the article is accurate, I would say the FAA bears some responsibility
> >>due to issuing a new certificate to someone who is using a false SSN.
> >>That would fall under the heading of "negligence."
> >
> >
> > You don't know much about HIPA do you?
>
> What does HIPAA have to do with the FAA?

FAA is not permitted access to medical records.

[Chuck Forsberg WA7KGX N2469R]

On Wed, 02 Aug 2006 14:56:00 -0400, Skylune wrote:

> Yet another example of how the greedy lawyers are "ruining" GA.
>
> The FAA and the "pilot" bear absolutely no responsibility.
>
> http://www.oregonlive.com/metrowest/oregonian/index.ssf?/base/metro_west_news/1154406349134000.xml&coll=7
Read the NTSB report on this accident.
Not all lawsuits are frivolous.


--
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Omen Technology Inc "The High Reliability Software"
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[Steve Foley[_1_]]

"Skylune" > wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
> If the article is accurate, I would say the FAA bears some responsibility
> due to issuing a new certificate to someone who is using a false SSN.
> That would fall under the heading of "negligence."


I don't see how a Social Security Number correlates to flying skills. Please
explain.

Are people with even numbered Social Security Numbers better pilots than odd
numbered Social Security Numbers?

What if I accidentally wrote the wrong Social Security Number on my
application? Would this make me crash?


> I have witnessed them first hand, including my former CFI.

Outstanding scientific research. Did you publish your findings, or was
something said regarding the limited size of your population?

[Skylune[_1_]]

fine. License, certficate, call it what you want...

[Skylune[_1_]]

?

How is this in any way relevant to issuing a PPL to a candidate using a
phony name and social security number????

[Skylune[_1_]]

SSNs correlated to flying skills? What??? I'm just saying that the FAA
should positively identify persons who wish to obtain PPLs.

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Skylune" > wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
> SSNs correlated to flying skills? What??? I'm just saying that the FAA
> should positively identify persons who wish to obtain PPLs.
>
>

And the FAA should be able to do, without fail, what Banks, Credit Card
companies, Department Homeland Security and a bevy of other public and
private sector organizations can't do?

[Jose[_1_]]

>>> All the threads on the OSH chaos confirm how easy it is for any fool to
>>> get a ticket.
>> I think you don't understand what a "ticket" really is.
> fine. License, certficate, call it what you want...

1: You should quote what you're replying to. Just a hint helps. :)

2: I'm not ragging on what you call it. ("ticket" is a perfectly fine
slang term for the pilot certificate.) Rather, I'm saying that, by your
comment, you don't understand what a pilot certificate =is=. It is an
indication that one has met =minimum= standards. It is a licence to
=learn=; emphasis on the fact that, even after one gets their ticket,
one is still learning. It is not by any means an indication that one
has learned all there is to learn about flying, that one is immune from
errors, lapses of judgement, or that one is superhuman.

Getting a ticket, then, does not make one immune from stupidity, and
should not be regarded as such. If we actually held people to those
standards before permitting them to fly, the skies overhead would be
very quiet indeed.

Jose
--
The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Kingfish]

Skylune wrote:

> Pilots just like to blame everyone else for the problems of GA, and never
> place the blame where it clearly, obviously squarely belongs: on the
> pilots, the FAA, and the funding system.

I'm sure there are pilots like you describe, but to make such a stupid
generalization is, well, stupid.. But we've come to expect nothing more
from you, so you didn't disappoint here.

My experience has been that *most* pilots have a strong sense of
personal responsibility and don't blame others for their own mistakes.
But these folks stay out of the spotlight by not causing accidents, or
attempting "stupid pilot tricks" like buzzing, (exercising good
judgement) and staying current and competent in their aircraft so as
not to become a statistic and put aviation in a bad light. You never
hear from these people, just the ones like the MU-2 pilot that killed
his friends.

Here's the link to the NTSB brief of the accident. Incredible how
someone like that slipped through the cracks for so long. Obviously the
pilot/owner was a weasel with a spotty record that shouldn't have been
in the air in *any* airplane, never mind a MU-2 IMHO.

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20050608X00732&ntsbno=SEA05FA105&akey=1

[Kingfish]

Skylune wrote:
>
> All the threads on the OSH chaos confirm how easy it is for any fool to
> get a ticket.

Obviously it's not that easy. You couldn't get yours.

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Kingfish" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Here's the link to the NTSB brief of the accident. Incredible how
> someone like that slipped through the cracks for so long. Obviously the
> pilot/owner was a weasel with a spotty record that shouldn't have been
> in the air in *any* airplane, never mind a MU-2 IMHO.
>
> http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20050608X00732&ntsbno=SEA05FA105&akey=1
>

Speaking of people slipping through the cracks. Here is part of the full
narrative on a accident that happened here Jan of 1999.

"According to FAA medical records, the pilot was issued a third class
medical certificate on January 24, 1997. The last pilot logbook entry was
dated April 19, 1998. According to the pilot logbook, the most recent
biennial flight review occurred on April 16, 1988. Additionally, there was
no record of an instrument competency check, nor any record of instrument
flight rules currency."

Here's the link
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20001204X00051&ntsbno=FTW99FA060&akey=1

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Gig 601XL Builder" <wrDOTgiaconaATcox.net> wrote in message
...
>
> "Kingfish" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>>
>> Here's the link to the NTSB brief of the accident. Incredible how
>> someone like that slipped through the cracks for so long. Obviously the
>> pilot/owner was a weasel with a spotty record that shouldn't have been
>> in the air in *any* airplane, never mind a MU-2 IMHO.
>>
>> http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20050608X00732&ntsbno=SEA05FA105&akey=1
>>
>
> Speaking of people slipping through the cracks. Here is part of the full
> narrative on a accident that happened here Jan of 1999.
>
> "According to FAA medical records, the pilot was issued a third class
> medical certificate on January 24, 1997. The last pilot logbook entry was
> dated April 19, 1998. According to the pilot logbook, the most recent
> biennial flight review occurred on April 16, 1988. Additionally, there was
> no record of an instrument competency check, nor any record of instrument
> flight rules currency."
>
> Here's the link
> http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief2.asp?ev_id=20001204X00051&ntsbno=FTW99FA060&akey=1
>

One addition to the above. Word is the Doctor that died in this crash didn't
have a driver's lic. either.

[Steve Foley[_1_]]

Great idea!!

Pass a law against everything, and make the gubmint responsible every time
something goes wrong.

No more personal responsibility.

Long live king Skylune!!!!


"Skylune" > wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
> I'm just saying that the FAA
> should positively identify persons who wish to obtain PPLs.
>
>

[Kingfish]

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
> One addition to the above. Word is the Doctor that died in this crash didn't
> have a driver's lic. either.

Outrageous! How could the DMV have allowed it?

<sarcasm off>

[Sylvain]

Steve Foley wrote:
> What if I accidentally wrote the wrong Social Security Number on my
> application? Would this make me crash?

what if you never gave the FAA your SSN in the first place (as you
are perfectly entitled to do)?

--Sylvain

[Al[_1_]]

Did you see where:

Witnesses Say Twin Otter Lost Engine On Takeoff
Officials report six people were lost Saturday afternoon when a DeHavilland
Twin Otter turboprop carrying skydivers went down in a residential area
shortly after takeoff from Sullivan Regional Airport, near St. Louis, MO.


The parents of Victoria Delacroix, 22 -- who perished in the accident, along
with five others filed a lawsuit Thursday claiming negligence led one of the
DeHavilland DHC-6's engines to fail leading to the accident.

The St. Louis Post-Dispatch reports Vivian and Susan Delacroix of Kent,
England, are suing:

engine manufacturer Pratt & Whitney;

Quantum Leap Skydiving Center;

Adventure Aviation, owner of the accident aircraft;

and Sullivan Regional Airport, which serviced the plane;

-- saying all are responsible for the death of their daughter.




Al G