ZZZZ EAA SportPilot promotes ANN and Zoom

[[email protected]]

This really made me angry.

http://www.sportpilot.org/news/060803_ann.html

It was a link from the EAA's eHotline email.

I'll be sending out the appropriate emails and links to John
Osterhout's web page.

Please do the same.

I am sick of Zoomy passing himself of as anything but a lying sack of
****.

[chuck]

Who is Zoomy?
" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> This really made me angry.
>
> http://www.sportpilot.org/news/060803_ann.html
>
> It was a link from the EAA's eHotline email.
>
> I'll be sending out the appropriate emails and links to John
> Osterhout's web page.
>
> Please do the same.
>
> I am sick of Zoomy passing himself of as anything but a lying sack of
> ****.
>

[[email protected]]

Take a look at

http://www.ousterhout.net/zoom

Read carefully. There is a lot of documented factual content there.

Do a Google Search of the RAH archives as well.

The convention of using ZZZZ as part of the topic title has been around
for several years.

chuck wrote:
> Who is Zoomy?
> " > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > This really made me angry.
> >
> > http://www.sportpilot.org/news/060803_ann.html
> >
> > It was a link from the EAA's eHotline email.
> >
> > I'll be sending out the appropriate emails and links to John
> > Osterhout's web page.
> >
> > Please do the same.
> >
> > I am sick of Zoomy passing himself of as anything but a lying sack of
> > ****.
> >

[[email protected]]

Sorry, I messed up the URL.

Here is the correct one -

http://www.ousterhout.net/zoom.html



wrote:
> Take a look at
>
> http://www.ousterhout.net/zoom
>
> Read carefully. There is a lot of documented factual content there.
>
> Do a Google Search of the RAH archives as well.
>
> The convention of using ZZZZ as part of the topic title has been around
> for several years.
>
> chuck wrote:
> > Who is Zoomy?
> > " > wrote in message
> > oups.com...
> > > This really made me angry.
> > >
> > > http://www.sportpilot.org/news/060803_ann.html
> > >
> > > It was a link from the EAA's eHotline email.
> > >
> > > I'll be sending out the appropriate emails and links to John
> > > Osterhout's web page.
> > >
> > > Please do the same.
> > >
> > > I am sick of Zoomy passing himself of as anything but a lying sack of
> > > ****.
> > >

[Robert Barker]

" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> This really made me angry.
>
> http://www.sportpilot.org/news/060803_ann.html
>
> It was a link from the EAA's eHotline email.
>
> I'll be sending out the appropriate emails and links to John
> Osterhout's web page.
>
> Please do the same.
>
> I am sick of Zoomy passing himself of as anything but a lying sack of
> ****.
>

Just cancelled my subscription.

[Lou]

Didn't I read that he was escorted out of Sun N Fun by the police from
a request of EAA?
Lou

[Bret Ludwig]

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On 3 Aug 2006 19:33:43 -0700, "Lou" > wrote:

>Didn't I read that he was escorted out of Sun N Fun by the police from
>a request of EAA?
> Lou

Yes and no.

EAA doesn't run Sun n Fun. SnF is it's own, separate corporation.

But yes, he was escorted from the grounds on multiple occasions, and
is now banned from the show, despite his suing in Federal court.

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Zoom Campbell is unhinged, but so is everyone else in this defective
business. Why pick on him?

[Jerry Springer]

Bret Ludwig wrote:

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>
> Date: Thurs, Aug 3 2006 10:12 pm
> Email: Richard Riley >
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> On 3 Aug 2006 19:33:43 -0700, "Lou" > wrote:
>
>
>>Didn't I read that he was escorted out of Sun N Fun by the police from
>>a request of EAA?
>> Lou
>
>
> Yes and no.
>
> EAA doesn't run Sun n Fun. SnF is it's own, separate corporation.
>
> But yes, he was escorted from the grounds on multiple occasions, and
> is now banned from the show, despite his suing in Federal court.
>
> Reply » Rate this post: <<
>
> Zoom Campbell is unhinged, but so is everyone else in this defective
> business. Why pick on him?
>
Certainly YOU have a screw missing,

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article . com>,
says...
>
>This really made me angry.
>
>http://www.sportpilot.org/news/060803_ann.html
>
>It was a link from the EAA's eHotline email.
>
>I'll be sending out the appropriate emails and links to John
>Osterhout's web page.
>
>Please do the same.
>
>I am sick of Zoomy passing himself of as anything but a lying sack of
>****.
>

I almost fell of my chair when I saw that. I just fired off a letter to Tom P
this AM I suggest we all dothe same. I can't believe they would endorse this
phony,someone didn't do their homework at EAA.

See ya

Chuck S

[Ken Finney]

"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
> In article . com>,
> says...
>>
>>This really made me angry.
>>
>>http://www.sportpilot.org/news/060803_ann.html
>>
>>It was a link from the EAA's eHotline email.
>>
>>I'll be sending out the appropriate emails and links to John
>>Osterhout's web page.
>>
>>Please do the same.
>>
>>I am sick of Zoomy passing himself of as anything but a lying sack of
>>****.
>>
>
> I almost fell of my chair when I saw that. I just fired off a letter to
> Tom P
> this AM I suggest we all dothe same. I can't believe they would endorse
> this
> phony,someone didn't do their homework at EAA.
>
> See ya
>
> Chuck S
>

Despite all the obvious issues with Mr. Campbell (and I personally know a
person involved in one of the lawsuits/countersuits), he does run the best
aviation news website I've found. If there is a better one, I'd sure like
to know what it is.

[Richard Isakson]

"Ken Finney" ...
>
> Despite all the obvious issues with Mr. Campbell (and I personally know a
> person involved in one of the lawsuits/countersuits), he does run the best
> aviation news website I've found. If there is a better one, I'd sure like
> to know what it is.

Knowing Jim's previous problems with the truth, how can you believe
*anything* that's written in ANN?

Rich

[Richard Riley[_1_]]

Ken Finney wrote:
> "ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article . com>,
> > says...
> >>
> >>This really made me angry.
> >>
> >>http://www.sportpilot.org/news/060803_ann.html
> >>
> >>It was a link from the EAA's eHotline email.
> >>
> >>I'll be sending out the appropriate emails and links to John
> >>Osterhout's web page.
> >>
> >>Please do the same.
> >>
> >>I am sick of Zoomy passing himself of as anything but a lying sack of
> >>****.
> >>
> >
> > I almost fell of my chair when I saw that. I just fired off a letter to
> > Tom P
> > this AM I suggest we all dothe same. I can't believe they would endorse
> > this
> > phony,someone didn't do their homework at EAA.
> >
> > See ya
> >
> > Chuck S
> >
>
> Despite all the obvious issues with Mr. Campbell (and I personally know a
> person involved in one of the lawsuits/countersuits), he does run the best
> aviation news website I've found. If there is a better one, I'd sure like
> to know what it is.

Avweb

[Ken Finney]

"Richard Isakson" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Ken Finney" ...
>>
>> Despite all the obvious issues with Mr. Campbell (and I personally know a
>> person involved in one of the lawsuits/countersuits), he does run the
>> best
>> aviation news website I've found. If there is a better one, I'd sure
>> like
>> to know what it is.
>
> Knowing Jim's previous problems with the truth, how can you believe
> *anything* that's written in ANN?
>

Unless he is altering the audio files in the interviews...

[Montblack[_1_]]

("Richard Isakson" wrote)
> Knowing Jim's previous problems with the truth, how can you believe
> *anything* that's written in ANN?


....or TIME, or NEWSWEEK, or The Mpls Star-Tribune, or CBS News, or NBC's
Dateline, or The NYTimes, or the local TV news, or Rush, etc, etc, etc.

You pays your monies, and you takes your chances.


Montblack

[Ken Finney]

"Richard Riley" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>
> Ken Finney wrote:
>> "ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > In article . com>,
>> > says...
>> >>
>> >>This really made me angry.
>> >>
>> >>http://www.sportpilot.org/news/060803_ann.html
>> >>
>> >>It was a link from the EAA's eHotline email.
>> >>
>> >>I'll be sending out the appropriate emails and links to John
>> >>Osterhout's web page.
>> >>
>> >>Please do the same.
>> >>
>> >>I am sick of Zoomy passing himself of as anything but a lying sack of
>> >>****.
>> >>
>> >
>> > I almost fell of my chair when I saw that. I just fired off a letter to
>> > Tom P
>> > this AM I suggest we all dothe same. I can't believe they would endorse
>> > this
>> > phony,someone didn't do their homework at EAA.
>> >
>> > See ya
>> >
>> > Chuck S
>> >
>>
>> Despite all the obvious issues with Mr. Campbell (and I personally know a
>> person involved in one of the lawsuits/countersuits), he does run the
>> best
>> aviation news website I've found. If there is a better one, I'd sure
>> like
>> to know what it is.
>
> Avweb
>

Avweb is not as good as it was before the recent changes, but IMNSHO, was
never as good as aero-news.

[Richard Riley[_1_]]

Ken Finney wrote:

> >
> > Avweb
> >
>
> Avweb is not as good as it was before the recent changes, but IMNSHO, was
> never as good as aero-news.

It's probably not as entertaining. But AvWeb tries to make it true.

It's like comparing "The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer" with "Desperate
Housewives."

[Richard Riley[_1_]]

Ken Finney wrote:
> "Richard Isakson" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Ken Finney" ...
> >>
> >> Despite all the obvious issues with Mr. Campbell (and I personally know a
> >> person involved in one of the lawsuits/countersuits), he does run the
> >> best
> >> aviation news website I've found. If there is a better one, I'd sure
> >> like
> >> to know what it is.
> >
> > Knowing Jim's previous problems with the truth, how can you believe
> > *anything* that's written in ANN?
> >
>
> Unless he is altering the audio files in the interviews...

Ever hear of "Payola"? The radio stations weren't altering those songs
they were playing, either.

[Anthony W]

Richard Riley wrote:
> It's like comparing "The NewsHour with Jim Lehrer" with "Desperate
> Housewives."

In that case they are both fiction but one is more entertaining.

Tony

[Richard Isakson]

"Ken Finney" wrote ...
>
> "Richard Isakson" wrote ...
> > Knowing Jim's previous problems with the truth, how can you believe
> > *anything* that's written in ANN?
>
> Unless he is altering the audio files in the interviews...

Ken,

Most of what you find on ANN is merely company press releases that have been
cut and pasted onto the website. If you went to the individual company
websites you would find that story and others there for the reading. I
suppose that's too much trouble so you let Jim decide which press releases
you read. Of course, you won't find negative articles about major sponsors
but you will find falsified "news" about companies that refuse to play Jim's
games. Part of the entertainment?

From time to time Jim will publish a flight review of an airplane. What in
Jim's background makes you think he's qualified to judge airplane flight
characteristics? Or do you care? It's better to just let Jim form your
opinion? Or is it all entertainment?

Rich

[Richard Isakson]

"Montblack" wrote ...
> "Richard Isakson" wrote ...
> > Knowing Jim's previous problems with the truth, how can you believe
> > *anything* that's written in ANN?
>
>
> ...or TIME, or NEWSWEEK, or The Mpls Star-Tribune, or CBS News, or NBC's
> Dateline, or The NYTimes, or the local TV news, or Rush, etc, etc, etc.
>
> You pays your monies, and you takes your chances.

So you've allowed some of the modern media to convince you that a lack of
journalistic ethics is a good thing?

Rich

[Ken Finney]

"Richard Isakson" > wrote in message
...
> "Ken Finney" wrote ...
>>
>> "Richard Isakson" wrote ...
>> > Knowing Jim's previous problems with the truth, how can you believe
>> > *anything* that's written in ANN?
>>
>> Unless he is altering the audio files in the interviews...
>
> Ken,
>
> Most of what you find on ANN is merely company press releases that have
> been
> cut and pasted onto the website. If you went to the individual company
> websites you would find that story and others there for the reading. I
> suppose that's too much trouble so you let Jim decide which press releases
> you read. Of course, you won't find negative articles about major
> sponsors
> but you will find falsified "news" about companies that refuse to play
> Jim's
> games. Part of the entertainment?
>
> From time to time Jim will publish a flight review of an airplane. What
> in
> Jim's background makes you think he's qualified to judge airplane flight
> characteristics? Or do you care? It's better to just let Jim form your
> opinion? Or is it all entertainment?
>

As a newcomer to GA (and not yet a pilot), I look for information
everywhere. I truly believe there is no such thing as objectivity, that
every report to subjective to a point. You are right, ANN does decide what
to put on their website, and if I had the time, that I could surf looking
for press releases. Did you ever notice that magazines tend to publish a
review of a product, and within a page or two is an ad for that product?
Not random chance. The new Avweb look is dreadful, generalaviationnew never
updates much, ultraflightradio isn't bad, but the other sites I frequent are
even worse. ANN at least puts a lot of effort into their podcasts, I'll
concede that they are subjective, but I find it easier to listen to
something that is subjective than it is to listen to something that isn't
there in the first place.

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Ken Finney says...
>
>Despite all the obvious issues with Mr. Campbell (and I personally know a
>person involved in one of the lawsuits/countersuits), he does run the best
>aviation news website I've found.

...so despite the obvious issues with Musolinni, he had trains that ran on time
and despite the obvious issues with Hitler,he built some really good autobans
and put the Germans to work. So I guess by your logic Hitler and Musolinni were
all right guys because some of the things they did might be considered
good.......Hmmmm

I wonder if the person you know that zoom sued is happy to know how you feel? I
might know of only one.


> If there is a better one, I'd sure like
>to know what it is.


Av Web.


Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

"zoom can fool some people all the time ,all the people some of the time ,but he
don't fool me" chuck s

[Richard Isakson]

"Ken Finney" wrote ...
>
> As a newcomer to GA (and not yet a pilot), I look for information
> everywhere.

Ken,

This is Chuck Slusarczyk's nightmare come to life Since you're new to RAH
you don't have the perspective that came out of the Zoom Wars of several
years ago. At that time Jim was still posting here and you could judge from
his own words what Captain Zoom Campbell is really like in the darkness of
his soul.

Rich

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Mon, 7 Aug 2006 13:47:52 -0500, "Montblack"
> wrote:

> ("Richard Isakson" wrote)
> > Knowing Jim's previous problems with the truth, how can you believe
> > *anything* that's written in ANN?
>
> ...or TIME, or NEWSWEEK, or The Mpls Star-Tribune, or CBS News, or NBC's
> Dateline, or The NYTimes, or the local TV news, or Rush, etc, etc, etc.
>
> You pays your monies, and you takes your chances.

But in most other cases, you've got a lot better chance of eventually getting
the real story.

There have been a number of journalistic ethics scandals over the past ten
years, from Stephen Glass to Jayson Blair to CBS News and beyond. Heck, Reuters
just admitted that some of the photos they'd published of the battles in Lebanon
had been altered for more dramatic appearance.

In most of these cases, the unethical journalist was caught because complaints
or his own actions triggered an investigation by the publication's editor.

But...what happens if the editor is the one fabricating the story, or altering a
photo, or hiding a personal relationship with one of the story's subjects? What
if the editor is also the publisher?

Back in the 90s, Jim Campbell wrote an "expose" accusing the employee of a
certain kit company of criminal actions. What he *didn't* say in the story is
that the target was one of his own former employees. And she was also his
ex-fiance.

I mean, shoot, there wasn't any question of it: He'd given sworn testimony to
the fact that she was his ex-fiance (while denying it here on RAH, of course).

If he had been employed by any normal publication, he would have been out on the
street and never worked in journalism again. But of course, he WAS the
employer.

You may not like CBS, you may not like Fox, but there ARE some checks and
balances available in these and most media. But not where the author, editor,
and publisher are one in the same person. Separation of these roles brings an
unjaundiced eye to emotional topics and ensures that the editorial aspects of
the publication receive some isolation from the business (e.g., advertising)
aspects.

How much isolation exists at ANN, do you figure? When the editor-in-chief
claims that five aviation companies haven't paid advertising bills, how much
does that affect editorial coverage of these companies?

Even if the companies aren't mentioned negatively in articles, how much false
praise do their competitors receive?

I view ANN and "The Onion" about the same way...read for entertainment if you
like, but don't come to any conclusions based on it. :-)

Ron Wanttaja

[Montblack[_1_]]

("Richard Isakson" wrote)
>> ...or TIME, or NEWSWEEK, or The Mpls Star-Tribune, or CBS News, or NBC's
>> Dateline, or The NYTimes, or the local TV news, or Rush, etc, etc, etc.
>>
>> You pays your monies, and you takes your chances.

> So you've allowed some of the modern media to convince you that a lack of
> journalistic ethics is a good thing?


That conclusion is, um, confusing?


Montblack - Film at 11
"It's 19 minutes after the hour, and now it's time for our daily feature The
Astrological Hour. A quick reminder these reports are not intended to foster
belief in astrology, but merely to support people who cannot take
responsibility for their own lives." - The Kentucky Fried Movie (1977)

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Ken Finney" > wrote in message
...

> As a newcomer to GA (and not yet a pilot), I look for information
> everywhere. I truly believe there is no such thing as objectivity, that
> every report to subjective to a point. You are right, ANN does decide
> what to put on their website, and if I had the time, that I could surf
> looking for press releases. Did you ever notice that magazines tend to
> publish a review of a product, and within a page or two is an ad for that
> product? Not random chance. The new Avweb look is dreadful,
> generalaviationnew never updates much, ultraflightradio isn't bad, but the
> other sites I frequent are even worse. ANN at least puts a lot of effort
> into their podcasts, I'll concede that they are subjective, but I find it
> easier to listen to something that is subjective than it is to listen to
> something that isn't there in the first place.
>

As a newcomer you really ought to take advice from those that came earlier.
If you want aviation news and don't like AvWeb, (which I think is really
pretty good), then go to Google News Alerts
http://www.google.com/alerts?hl=en and create your own search string for
aviation news.

[Ken Finney]

"Richard Isakson" > wrote in message
om...
> "Ken Finney" wrote ...
>>
>> As a newcomer to GA (and not yet a pilot), I look for information
>> everywhere.
>
> Ken,
>
> This is Chuck Slusarczyk's nightmare come to life Since you're new to RAH
> you don't have the perspective that came out of the Zoom Wars of several
> years ago. At that time Jim was still posting here and you could judge
> from
> his own words what Captain Zoom Campbell is really like in the darkness of
> his soul.
>

Jeez...

Can I at least say I like Pete Combs' voice?

[Richard Isakson]

"Ken Finney" wrote ...
>
> Can I at least say I like Pete Combs' voice?

Ken,

This has nothing to do with the staff at ANN. Most of them turn out to be
good people after Jim stabs them in the back and they quit ANN. Ron
Wanttaja used to be a big time Zoom supporter and part time employee.

Rich

[Ken Finney]

"Richard Isakson" > wrote in message
...
> "Ken Finney" wrote ...
>>
>> Can I at least say I like Pete Combs' voice?
>
> Ken,
>
> This has nothing to do with the staff at ANN. Most of them turn out to be
> good people after Jim stabs them in the back and they quit ANN. Ron
> Wanttaja used to be a big time Zoom supporter and part time employee.
>

I'm not a Zoom supporter, in fact, I have warned others about him. But at
least as far as ANN is concerned, to me it is like they are handing out free
coffee. If I want a cup of coffee and they are handing it out for free,
I'll take it.

If the cup has his name on it, I'll turn the cup so that my hand hides it!
;^)

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Ken Finney" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Richard Isakson" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Ken Finney" wrote ...
>>>
>>> Can I at least say I like Pete Combs' voice?
>>
>> Ken,
>>
>> This has nothing to do with the staff at ANN. Most of them turn out to
>> be
>> good people after Jim stabs them in the back and they quit ANN. Ron
>> Wanttaja used to be a big time Zoom supporter and part time employee.
>>
>
> I'm not a Zoom supporter, in fact, I have warned others about him. But at
> least as far as ANN is concerned, to me it is like they are handing out
> free coffee. If I want a cup of coffee and they are handing it out for
> free, I'll take it.
>
> If the cup has his name on it, I'll turn the cup so that my hand hides it!
> ;^)

And Jim Jones was just handing out Kool-Aid.

[Montblack[_1_]]

("Gig 601XL Builder" wrote)
> And Jim Jones was just handing out Kool-Aid.


http://www.jelsert.com/products_flavoraid.asp
It was Flavor Aid ...not Kool-Aid

Small nit, unless you work for Kool-Aid.


Montblack :-)
"A single seat homebuilt Cessna low wing airplane...."

[Bob Kuykendall]

Earlier, Gig 601XL Builder wrote:

>
> And Jim Jones was just handing out Kool-Aid.

I'd tell my favorite Jonestown joke, but...
..
..
..
..
..
..
..
..
....the punch line is too long. ;)

[John Ousterhout[_1_]]

Richard Isakson wrote:

> This has nothing to do with the staff at ANN. Most of them turn out to be
> good people after Jim stabs them in the back and they quit ANN.

Sometime they quit and then get stabbed in the back. Actually I once
met a gruntled Former Zoom Employee. There is only one AFAIK.


> Ron Wanttaja used to be a big time Zoom supporter and part time employee.

Ron did weigh about 30 pounds more back then :-)


- John Ousterhout -
host of Zoomland since 1998
RAH-15
http://www.ousterhout.net

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, John Ousterhout > said:
>Richard Isakson wrote:
>> This has nothing to do with the staff at ANN. Most of them turn out to be
>> good people after Jim stabs them in the back and they quit ANN.
>
>Sometime they quit and then get stabbed in the back. Actually I once
>met a gruntled Former Zoom Employee. There is only one AFAIK.
>> Ron Wanttaja used to be a big time Zoom supporter and part time employee.
>Ron did weigh about 30 pounds more back then :-)

I want to be an "ilk".


--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
"Fly the airplane, then work the problem"
-- Rick Grant (quoting RCAF pilot training)

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article >, Richard Riley says...
>
>You got Tom P's email address? I need to do the same. I won't remain
>a member if this stands. I'll just change my annual pilgramage to Sun
>n Fun.

I wrote to the editorial dept and they wrote back saying it was forwarded to
Tom. I do have his office phone # and plan on calling in a couple days.
We really need everyone to let EAA know that this was a dumb move .Without
naming names I can say that this decision did not sit well with certain EAA
staff members.

Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article <Yu9Cg.883922$084.790169@attbi_s22>, John Ousterhout says...
>
>> This has nothing to do with the staff at ANN. Most of them turn out to be
>> good people after Jim stabs them in the back and they quit ANN.
>
>Sometime they quit and then get stabbed in the back. Actually I once
>met a gruntled Former Zoom Employee. There is only one AFAIK.
>
>
>> Ron Wanttaja used to be a big time Zoom supporter and part time employee.
>
>Ron did weigh about 30 pounds more back then :-)
>
>
>- John Ousterhout -
>host of Zoomland since 1998
>RAH-15
>http://www.ousterhout.net

Hi John
Be sure to write EAA about this mess they need to hear it from members.
And thanks for hosting the zoomland since 1998 ,I can't believe it's been that
long already. Wonder how many hits it's had.

see ya

Chuck
PS say hi to the Misses for me
>

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Tue, 8 Aug 2006 10:10:42 -0700, "Richard Isakson" > wrote:

> "Ken Finney" wrote ...
> >
> > Can I at least say I like Pete Combs' voice?
>
> This has nothing to do with the staff at ANN. Most of them turn out to be
> good people after Jim stabs them in the back and they quit ANN. Ron
> Wanttaja used to be a big time Zoom supporter and part time employee.

Not quite; I was never an employee, though I was listed as an associate editor
in one of Campbell's magazines...without my knowledge. If a friend hadn't
brought a copy of the magazine home from Sun-N-Fun, I never would have known.

Richard's description does apply to other folks, such as Al Staats (Zoom booster
on RAH one day, Zoom employee the next, RAH-15 co-defendant not long after).
Tim Kerns is probably the latest example.

Ron Wanttaja

[Al[_1_]]

"Paul Tomblin" > wrote in message
...
> In a previous article, John Ousterhout
> > said:
>>Richard Isakson wrote:
>>> This has nothing to do with the staff at ANN. Most of them turn out to
>>> be
>>> good people after Jim stabs them in the back and they quit ANN.
>>
>>Sometime they quit and then get stabbed in the back. Actually I once
>>met a gruntled Former Zoom Employee. There is only one AFAIK.
>>> Ron Wanttaja used to be a big time Zoom supporter and part time
>>> employee.
>>Ron did weigh about 30 pounds more back then :-)
>
> I want to be an "ilk".
>
Me too. I guess our only chance now is to go to Pinkneyville. You know,
whatever else is said about Zoom, he was mildly entertaining. Of course, I
was never sued. When I heard about the P1 temperature 0 (Pitot) tube, I
about bust a gut. And he honestly sounded like he believed it. You just
don't find folks like that every day.

Al G

[John Ousterhout[_1_]]

Paul Tomblin wrote:
>
> I want to be an "ilk".

Unless that was an imposter at Pinckneyville, you now are one of "the
Ilk"... with all the benefits and privileges that membership entails.

- J.O.-

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, John Ousterhout > said:
>Paul Tomblin wrote:
>> I want to be an "ilk".
>
>Unless that was an imposter at Pinckneyville, you now are one of "the
>Ilk"... with all the benefits and privileges that membership entails.

Ah, I didn't realize that was the only requirement - I thought I had to be
threatened by Zoom as well.


--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
Some days violence is just a nice quick solution to a problem that
would need thought, planning and actual work to do justice to.
-- Wayne Pascoe

[BobR]

I subscribe to AVWEB

http://www.avweb.com/

and receive a twice weekly news letter by email. Has great links to
feature stories and had a much more depth of news on AirVenture this
year. Liked their photo library and their stories covered more than
just their advertisers.




Ken Finney wrote:
> "ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
> ...
> > In article . com>,
> > says...
> >>
> >>This really made me angry.
> >>
> >>http://www.sportpilot.org/news/060803_ann.html
> >>
> >>It was a link from the EAA's eHotline email.
> >>
> >>I'll be sending out the appropriate emails and links to John
> >>Osterhout's web page.
> >>
> >>Please do the same.
> >>
> >>I am sick of Zoomy passing himself of as anything but a lying sack of
> >>****.
> >>
> >
> > I almost fell of my chair when I saw that. I just fired off a letter to
> > Tom P
> > this AM I suggest we all dothe same. I can't believe they would endorse
> > this
> > phony,someone didn't do their homework at EAA.
> >
> > See ya
> >
> > Chuck S
> >
>
> Despite all the obvious issues with Mr. Campbell (and I personally know a
> person involved in one of the lawsuits/countersuits), he does run the best
> aviation news website I've found. If there is a better one, I'd sure like
> to know what it is.

[John Ousterhout[_2_]]

ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
>
> Hi John
> Be sure to write EAA about this mess they need to hear it from members.
> And thanks for hosting the zoomland since 1998 ,I can't believe it's been that
> long already. Wonder how many hits it's had.
>
> see ya
>
> Chuck
> PS say hi to the Misses for me

According to the 2006 webstats ousterhout.net averages about 1,200 hits
a day (45-65 unique visitors) with the Zoom pages consistently the most
clicked.

The missus says hi and that she's anxious to try MuzzleLoader again.

- John Ousterhout -
host of Zoomland since 1998
RAH-15
http://www.ousterhout.net

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article . com>, Lou says...
>
>Didn't I read that he was escorted out of Sun N Fun by the police from
>a request of EAA?
> Lou

Actually SnF and EAA are separate orgs. But the Pres of SnF requested the
police remove zoom. I think most members of the SnF board are EAA members. He's
been escorted out 3 times and is now permanently banned from the show.



Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret
"credibility is was always about credibility" .....chuck s

[[email protected]]

I got a lame response from the EAA on this matter. I'll give them a
few more days to research the matter.

John and Chuck, I told them to contact you directly for more info. I
hope that you don't mind.

I'll post the correspondence if the matter is not resolved by the EAA
terminating any affiliation with Zoomy. If they don't boot him out the
door posthaste, I'll be terminating my membership and I encourage other
to do the same.

Anyone else have anything to report?

ChuckSlusarczyk wrote:
> In article >, Richard Riley says...
> >
> >You got Tom P's email address? I need to do the same. I won't remain
> >a member if this stands. I'll just change my annual pilgramage to Sun
> >n Fun.
>
> I wrote to the editorial dept and they wrote back saying it was forwarded to
> Tom. I do have his office phone # and plan on calling in a couple days.
> We really need everyone to let EAA know that this was a dumb move .Without
> naming names I can say that this decision did not sit well with certain EAA
> staff members.
>
> Chuck S RAH-14/1 ret

[jladd]

This is the response I got from the EAA today for the comments I sent
(below):


Thanks for your e-mail. To clarify things a bit, EAA was contacted by
Jim Campbell to supply information to support and advance the sport
pilot/light-sport aircraft movement. As we build and expand the sport
pilot community, it's important to provide accurate information at
every opportunity. This is another chance to do so.


EAA treats its participation in this matter as it would any other
request to provide technical information and expertise to a publisher
developing sport pilot resources. We do not treat it as pro or con. We
will, however, ensure that all material submitted from EAA and produced
is accurate subject to EAA's review process.


Thanks again for the e-mail. If you have any other questions, please
feel free to contact me anytime.


Best,

Dick Knapinski

EAA OSH

920-426-6523


Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 5:20 PM
To: Membership
Subject: Jim Cambell


I quoted the EAA website:

08/03/06 - ANN SPORT PLANE RESOURCE GUIDE INCLUDES EAA TECHNICAL
ASSISTANCE, EXPERTISE

The Aero-News Network's 12th anniversary SportPlane Resource Guide will
feature the technical expertise and experience of the Experimental
Aircraft Association (EAA), the acknowledged leader of the new sport
pilot revolution. Scheduled for publication in 2007, the guide will
offer in-depth information regarding sport pilot certification and
available light-sport aircraft. As the new SportPlane Resource Guide is
developed, EAA will provide guidance on sport pilot/light-sport
aircraft matters; provide information on local and national EAA
programs, such as EAA Chapters, Technical Counselors, Flight Advisors
and its other programs; and assist with outreach to the sport
pilot/light-sport aircraft community.

"Today, EAA is at the forefront of implementing the sport pilot rule,
so its input is invaluable to any effort to inform and educate those
participating in the exciting, new sport pilot community," said Jim
Campbell, Aero-News Network CEO and Editor-In-Chief.



I wrote:


Sir,

You have chosen a most undesireable person to promote LSA and to
associate with EAA. Has anyone at EAA ever looked into Campbells claims
about his background? You can start by asking the staff at Sun N Fun.
Then maybe give Chuck Slusarczyk a call. Finally, have a look at this
site: http://www.ousterhout.net/zoom


As an EAA member I desire that our organization have nothing to do with
Mr. Campbell.

[who cares?]

In article <PVxCg.1129270$xm3.1122623@attbi_s21>, John Ousterhout > wrote:

>According to the 2006 webstats ousterhout.net averages about 1,200 hits
>a day (45-65 unique visitors) with the Zoom pages consistently the most
>clicked.
>

You should sell advertising.

[Ron Wanttaja]

On 10 Aug 2006 18:31:34 -0700, "jladd" > wrote:

> EAA treats its participation in this matter as it would any other
> request to provide technical information and expertise to a publisher
> developing sport pilot resources.

Odd. Over the years, I've received extensive support from EAA for my books and
articles, but they've never issued a press release about it....

Ron Wanttaja

[Ron Wanttaja]

On 10 Aug 2006 18:31:34 -0700, "jladd" > wrote:

> EAA treats its participation in this matter as it would any other
> request to provide technical information and expertise to a publisher
> developing sport pilot resources. We do not treat it as pro or con. We
> will, however, ensure that all material submitted from EAA and produced
> is accurate subject to EAA's review process.
>
> Dick Knapinski

Look at the bright side, folks: this now makes EAA's deep pockets available to
those who get Zoomed. If Campbell's book "does a CGS" on a company, that
company can sue EAA, since an EAA spokesman has announced the produced content
is accurate per EAA's review processes.

Can't get a contingency-fee lawyer interested in suing Zoom, but I bet they'll
be interested in EAA. Do you think EAA will claim that they weren't aware of
Zoom's past problems?

Ron Wanttaja

[Ron Wanttaja]

On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 00:23:10 -0700, Richard Riley >
wrote:

> >Can't get a contingency-fee lawyer interested in suing Zoom, but I bet they'll
> >be interested in EAA. Do you think EAA will claim that they weren't aware of
> >Zoom's past problems?
>
> It makes it tempting to go back into business. Maybe set up a
> partnership with Chuck, RB Brady and Don Jones just to make it
> irresistable.

If you could somehow add Dennis Fetters to the mix, you'd have Zoom on your case
so hard that Lemon Pledge couldn't release him. :-)

Ron Wanttaja

[Juan Jimenez[_1_]]

Unfortunately for you, Jim has already published a guide similar to this one
and did a great job of it. The people working on compiling the information
do a great job as well. Aero-News also offers the best news coverage of EAA
activities, bar none. You want to **** in the wind, knock yourself out, but
you're wasting your time.

" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> This really made me angry.
>
> http://www.sportpilot.org/news/060803_ann.html
>
> It was a link from the EAA's eHotline email.
>
> I'll be sending out the appropriate emails and links to John
> Osterhout's web page.
>
> Please do the same.
>
> I am sick of Zoomy passing himself of as anything but a lying sack of
> ****.
>



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[BobR]

You have got to be kidding me! ANN's pathetic coverage of AirVenture
was the worst of all the coverage available. NOTHING but repeated
stories about the companies who paid to advertise and a couple of minor
coverages. Nothing of substance except canned stories. AVWEB and EAA
both did a far superior job of covering the event, lots of photos, film
clips and stories. ANN might as well have been a 1000 miles away.



Juan Jimenez wrote:
> Unfortunately for you, Jim has already published a guide similar to this one
> and did a great job of it. The people working on compiling the information
> do a great job as well. Aero-News also offers the best news coverage of EAA
> activities, bar none. You want to **** in the wind, knock yourself out, but
> you're wasting your time.
>
> " > wrote in message
> oups.com...
> > This really made me angry.
> >
> > http://www.sportpilot.org/news/060803_ann.html
> >
> > It was a link from the EAA's eHotline email.
> >
> > I'll be sending out the appropriate emails and links to John
> > Osterhout's web page.
> >
> > Please do the same.
> >
> > I am sick of Zoomy passing himself of as anything but a lying sack of
> > ****.
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article . com>, BobR says...
>
>You have got to be kidding me! ANN's pathetic coverage of AirVenture
>was the worst of all the coverage available. NOTHING but repeated
>stories about the companies who paid to advertise and a couple of minor
>coverages. Nothing of substance except canned stories. AVWEB and EAA
>both did a far superior job of covering the event, lots of photos, film
>clips and stories. ANN might as well have been a 1000 miles away.


Hey Bob some people are easily impressed. Especially those who worship at the
altar of zoom LOL!!

See ya

Chuck S

[Al[_1_]]

"BobR" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> You have got to be kidding me! ANN's pathetic coverage of AirVenture
> was the worst of all the coverage available. NOTHING but repeated
> stories about the companies who paid to advertise and a couple of minor
> coverages. Nothing of substance except canned stories. AVWEB and EAA
> both did a far superior job of covering the event, lots of photos, film
> clips and stories. ANN might as well have been a 1000 miles away.
>
>
Actually, he IS 1000 miles away. (Flight Prep says 1009.8 nm)

Al G

[Juan Jimenez[_1_]]

"BobR" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> You have got to be kidding me! ANN's pathetic coverage of AirVenture
> was the worst of all the coverage available. NOTHING but repeated
> stories about the companies who paid to advertise and a couple of minor
> coverages. Nothing of substance except canned stories. AVWEB and EAA
> both did a far superior job of covering the event, lots of photos, film
> clips and stories. ANN might as well have been a 1000 miles away.

Check the URL, you were obviously at the wrong one.

http://www.aero-news.net/SpecialContent.cfm?cat=22

Or maybe you just weren't there. :)



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[Juan Jimenez[_1_]]

"ChuckSlusarczyk" > wrote in message
...
> In article . com>, BobR
> says...
>>
>>You have got to be kidding me! ANN's pathetic coverage of AirVenture
>>was the worst of all the coverage available. NOTHING but repeated
>>stories about the companies who paid to advertise and a couple of minor
>>coverages. Nothing of substance except canned stories. AVWEB and EAA
>>both did a far superior job of covering the event, lots of photos, film
>>clips and stories. ANN might as well have been a 1000 miles away.
>
>
> Hey Bob some people are easily impressed. Especially those who worship at
> the
> altar of zoom LOL!!

Altar envy, what a concept. :)



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[Dan[_2_]]

Ron Wanttaja wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 00:23:10 -0700, Richard Riley >
> wrote:
>
>>> Can't get a contingency-fee lawyer interested in suing Zoom, but I bet they'll
>>> be interested in EAA. Do you think EAA will claim that they weren't aware of
>>> Zoom's past problems?
>> It makes it tempting to go back into business. Maybe set up a
>> partnership with Chuck, RB Brady and Don Jones just to make it
>> irresistable.
>
> If you could somehow add Dennis Fetters to the mix, you'd have Zoom on your case
> so hard that Lemon Pledge couldn't release him. :-)
>
> Ron Wanttaja
>
That's called "hunting a baited field." It's about as sporting as
fishing with hand grenades :) When do you start?

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[Dan[_2_]]

Juan Jimenez wrote:
> "BobR" > wrote in message
> oups.com...
>> You have got to be kidding me! ANN's pathetic coverage of AirVenture
>> was the worst of all the coverage available. NOTHING but repeated
>> stories about the companies who paid to advertise and a couple of minor
>> coverages. Nothing of substance except canned stories. AVWEB and EAA
>> both did a far superior job of covering the event, lots of photos, film
>> clips and stories. ANN might as well have been a 1000 miles away.
>
> Check the URL, you were obviously at the wrong one.
>
> http://www.aero-news.net/SpecialContent.cfm?cat=22
>
> Or maybe you just weren't there. :)
>
>
>
Well, the article you cite IS a tad lame.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

[ChuckSlusarczyk]

In article <A5FIg.7583$Tl4.270@dukeread06>, Dan says...
>
>Juan Jimenez wrote:
>> "BobR" > wrote in message
>> oups.com...
>>> You have got to be kidding me! ANN's pathetic coverage of AirVenture
>>> was the worst of all the coverage available. NOTHING but repeated
>>> stories about the companies who paid to advertise and a couple of minor
>>> coverages. Nothing of substance except canned stories. AVWEB and EAA
>>> both did a far superior job of covering the event, lots of photos, film
>>> clips and stories. ANN might as well have been a 1000 miles away.
>>
>> Check the URL, you were obviously at the wrong one.
>>
>> http://www.aero-news.net/SpecialContent.cfm?cat=22
>>
>> Or maybe you just weren't there. :)
>>
>>
>>
>Well, the article you cite IS a tad lame.

Hey Dan you have to remember jauns easily impressed by anything zoom LOL!!

See ya

Dan

[Rich Ahrens]

who cares? wrote:
> In article <PVxCg.1129270$xm3.1122623@attbi_s21>, John Ousterhout > wrote:
>
>> According to the 2006 webstats ousterhout.net averages about 1,200 hits
>> a day (45-65 unique visitors) with the Zoom pages consistently the most
>> clicked.
>>
>
> You should sell advertising.

Better yet, just put the ads up without selling them, then invoice the
"advertisers."

Oh, wait...

[Ron Natalie]

Rich Ahrens wrote:
> who cares? wrote:
>> In article <PVxCg.1129270$xm3.1122623@attbi_s21>, John Ousterhout
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> According to the 2006 webstats ousterhout.net averages about 1,200
>>> hits a day (45-65 unique visitors) with the Zoom pages consistently
>>> the most clicked.
>>>
>>
>> You should sell advertising.
>
> Better yet, just put the ads up without selling them, then invoice the
> "advertisers."
>
> Oh, wait...
Maybe he should run an ad for AeroNose.net