Banner Plane Impacts Water w/ photo

[Owen[_1_]]

Aug 5, 2006. Banner plane loses power off Hyannnis, Cape Cod,
Massachusetts and ditches in the water. Although beachgoers and
witnesses were stunned, the pilot swam away unscathed. The Champion was
later recovered from the water.

Picture as the plane hit the water: (wow!)
http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2006/08/06/1154850848_7715.jpg

Story:
http://www.capecodonline.com/cctimes/planecrashes6.htm
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2006/08/06/plane_crash_off_hyannis_stuns_beachgoers/

[Emily[_1_]]

Owen wrote:
> Aug 5, 2006. Banner plane loses power off Hyannnis, Cape Cod,
> Massachusetts and ditches in the water. Although beachgoers and
> witnesses were stunned, the pilot swam away unscathed. The Champion was
> later recovered from the water.
>
> Picture as the plane hit the water: (wow!)
> http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2006/08/06/1154850848_7715.jpg
>
> Story:
> http://www.capecodonline.com/cctimes/planecrashes6.htm
> http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2006/08/06/plane_crash_off_hyannis_stuns_beachgoers/
>
How like the public to be more concerned about themselves than the pilot.

[Owen[_1_]]

Emily wrote:

> Owen wrote:
> > Aug 5, 2006. Banner plane loses power off Hyannnis, Cape Cod,
> > Massachusetts and ditches in the water. Although beachgoers and
> > witnesses were stunned, the pilot swam away unscathed. The Champion was
> > later recovered from the water.
> >
> > Picture as the plane hit the water: (wow!)
> > http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2006/08/06/1154850848_7715.jpg
> >
> > Story:
> > http://www.capecodonline.com/cctimes/planecrashes6.htm
> > http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2006/08/06/plane_crash_off_hyannis_stuns_beachgoers/
> >
> How like the public to be more concerned about themselves than the pilot.

Well if a car goes careening out of control while you're walking down the street and it looks like it could hit
you, would you at that particular instant be more concerned with yourself or the driver?

[john smith]

In article >, Owen > wrote:

> Aug 5, 2006. Banner plane loses power off Hyannnis, Cape Cod,
> Massachusetts and ditches in the water. Although beachgoers and
> witnesses were stunned, the pilot swam away unscathed. The Champion was
> later recovered from the water.

"The Hyannis harbor master had the plane towed to shallow water, where
it stayed for several hours yesterday." - that doesn't sound good!

[Morgans[_3_]]

> > Aug 5, 2006. Banner plane loses power off Hyannnis, Cape Cod,
> > Massachusetts and ditches in the water. Although beachgoers and
> > witnesses were stunned, the pilot swam away unscathed. The Champion was
> > later recovered from the water.
>
> "The Hyannis harbor master had the plane towed to shallow water, where
> it stayed for several hours yesterday." - that doesn't sound good!

The media accounts could not have gotten any more dramatic, could they? <g>

Actually, it is better to leave something submerged in salt water, than to
pull it out and not immediately flush it out with fresh water.
--
Jim in NC

[Emily[_1_]]

Owen wrote:
>
> Emily wrote:
>
>> Owen wrote:
>>> Aug 5, 2006. Banner plane loses power off Hyannnis, Cape Cod,
>>> Massachusetts and ditches in the water. Although beachgoers and
>>> witnesses were stunned, the pilot swam away unscathed. The Champion was
>>> later recovered from the water.
>>>
>>> Picture as the plane hit the water: (wow!)
>>> http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2006/08/06/1154850848_7715.jpg
>>>
>>> Story:
>>> http://www.capecodonline.com/cctimes/planecrashes6.htm
>>> http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2006/08/06/plane_crash_off_hyannis_stuns_beachgoers/
>>>
>> How like the public to be more concerned about themselves than the pilot.
>
> Well if a car goes careening out of control while you're walking down the street and it looks like it could hit
> you, would you at that particular instant be more concerned with yourself or the driver?

This wasn't a car careening out of control, it was a plane crashing.
And yes, if I saw a plane crashing, I would be more concerned about
those on board than it falling on me.

[Jim Carter[_1_]]

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Emily ]
> Posted At: Sunday, August 06, 2006 10:31 PM
> Posted To: rec.aviation.piloting
> Conversation: Banner Plane Impacts Water w/ photo
> Subject: Re: Banner Plane Impacts Water w/ photo
>
> Owen wrote:
> >
> > Emily wrote:
> >
> >> Owen wrote:
> >>> Aug 5, 2006. Banner plane loses power off Hyannnis, Cape Cod,
> >>> Massachusetts and ditches in the water. Although beachgoers and
> >>> witnesses were stunned, the pilot swam away unscathed. The
Champion
> was
> >>> later recovered from the water.
> >>>
> >>> Picture as the plane hit the water: (wow!)
> >>> http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-
> fba/Globe_Photo/2006/08/06/1154850848_7715.jpg
> >>>
> >>> Story:
> >>> http://www.capecodonline.com/cctimes/planecrashes6.htm
> >>>
>
http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2006/08/06/plane
_c
> rash_off_hyannis_stuns_beachgoers/
> >>>
> >> How like the public to be more concerned about themselves than the
> pilot.
> >
> > Well if a car goes careening out of control while you're walking
down
> the street and it looks like it could hit
> > you, would you at that particular instant be more concerned with
> yourself or the driver?
>
> This wasn't a car careening out of control, it was a plane crashing.
> And yes, if I saw a plane crashing, I would be more concerned about
> those on board than it falling on me.

I liked that part in the Cape Cod newspaper article where the witnesses
"thought it was going to hit the jetty and explode". I wonder just how
much ordinance this guy was carrying.

[cjcampbell]

Jim Carter wrote:
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Emily ]
> > Posted At: Sunday, August 06, 2006 10:31 PM
> > Posted To: rec.aviation.piloting
> > Conversation: Banner Plane Impacts Water w/ photo
> > Subject: Re: Banner Plane Impacts Water w/ photo
> >
> > Owen wrote:
> > >
> > > Emily wrote:
> > >
> > >> Owen wrote:
> > >>> Aug 5, 2006. Banner plane loses power off Hyannnis, Cape Cod,
> > >>> Massachusetts and ditches in the water. Although beachgoers and
> > >>> witnesses were stunned, the pilot swam away unscathed. The
> Champion
> > was
> > >>> later recovered from the water.
> > >>>
> > >>> Picture as the plane hit the water: (wow!)
> > >>> http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-
> > fba/Globe_Photo/2006/08/06/1154850848_7715.jpg
> > >>>
> > >>> Story:
> > >>> http://www.capecodonline.com/cctimes/planecrashes6.htm
> > >>>
> >
> http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2006/08/06/plane
> _c
> > rash_off_hyannis_stuns_beachgoers/
> > >>>
> > >> How like the public to be more concerned about themselves than the
> > pilot.
> > >
> > > Well if a car goes careening out of control while you're walking
> down
> > the street and it looks like it could hit
> > > you, would you at that particular instant be more concerned with
> > yourself or the driver?
> >
> > This wasn't a car careening out of control, it was a plane crashing.
> > And yes, if I saw a plane crashing, I would be more concerned about
> > those on board than it falling on me.
>
> I liked that part in the Cape Cod newspaper article where the witnesses
> "thought it was going to hit the jetty and explode". I wonder just how
> much ordinance this guy was carrying.

More misinformation that people pick up from Hollywood. Although they
kind of know that real automobiles do not explode when they crash,
people are less familiar with airplanes. They learn from the movies
that airplanes explode when they crash, even when they are out of fuel.
Think about that when someone blows off yet more Hollywood idiocy with
"It's only a movie."

By the way, nearly everything that people here in the Philippines know
about America they learn from watching American sit-coms.... And
Americans wonder why people from other countries look at them funny.

[Peter Duniho]

"Jim Carter" > wrote in message
news:001101c6b9db$d2633050$4001a8c0@omnibook6100.. .
> I liked that part in the Cape Cod newspaper article where the witnesses
> "thought it was going to hit the jetty and explode". I wonder just how
> much ordinance this guy was carrying.

I know municipal laws can create inflammatory situations, but I didn't
realize that an airplane carrying ordinances would cause an explosion.
Guess we'd better make sure Hyannis City Council knows to keep the paperwork
to a minimum. :)

[Stubby]

Peter Duniho wrote:
> "Jim Carter" > wrote in message
> news:001101c6b9db$d2633050$4001a8c0@omnibook6100.. .
>> I liked that part in the Cape Cod newspaper article where the witnesses
>> "thought it was going to hit the jetty and explode". I wonder just how
>> much ordinance this guy was carrying.
>
> I know municipal laws can create inflammatory situations, but I didn't
> realize that an airplane carrying ordinances would cause an explosion.
> Guess we'd better make sure Hyannis City Council knows to keep the paperwork
> to a minimum. :)
>
>
I think he meant "ordnance".

[Stubby]

Morgans wrote:

> Actually, it is better to leave something submerged in salt water, than to
> pull it out and not immediately flush it out with fresh water.
My ASES instructor would not let his plane anywhere near sal****er. He
said even though flushing with fresh water would not stop the corrosion.

[Emily[_1_]]

Stubby wrote:
>
>
> Morgans wrote:
>
>> Actually, it is better to leave something submerged in salt water,
>> than to
>> pull it out and not immediately flush it out with fresh water.
> My ASES instructor would not let his plane anywhere near sal****er. He
> said even though flushing with fresh water would not stop the corrosion.
No kidding. There's a reason airlines won't buy parts from engines or
aircraft that were immersed in salt water.

[Andrew Gideon]

On Mon, 07 Aug 2006 04:42:02 +0000, Jim Carter wrote:

> I liked that part in the Cape Cod newspaper article where the witnesses
> "thought it was going to hit the jetty and explode". I wonder just how
> much ordinance this guy was carrying.

It was an explosive jetty, part of the border defense against windmills
near Cape Cod.

- Andrew

[Peter Duniho]

"Stubby" > wrote in message
. ..
> I think he meant "ordnance".

I know what he meant. Sorry you missed the smiley in my post. I'd make it
bigger, but that would mean posting in HTML. Guess you'll just have to look
more carefully next time.

[Kingfish]

Emily wrote:
> No kidding. There's a reason airlines won't buy parts from engines or
> aircraft that were immersed in salt water.

<conspiracy mode on>

But it's OK for them to buy parts that were immersed in fresh water
then? :-O

[Kingfish]

Andrew Gideon wrote:
>
> It was an explosive jetty, part of the border defense against windmills
> near Cape Cod.
>

I have a VW jetty - mine doesn't explode though... it's a diesel. In
another vein, does this border defense protect against wind*bags* too?
Like certain senior senators from MA known to frequent the Cape Cod
area?

[Andrew Gideon]

On Tue, 08 Aug 2006 10:28:07 -0700, Kingfish wrote:

> Like certain senior senators from MA known to frequent the Cape Cod area?

They too are part of the aforementioned border defense against windmills
for the purpose of greenhouse gas (and oil dependency) reduction.

- Andrew

[Owen[_1_]]

Emily wrote:

> Owen wrote:
> >
> > Emily wrote:
> >
> >> Owen wrote:
> >>> Aug 5, 2006. Banner plane loses power off Hyannnis, Cape Cod,
> >>> Massachusetts and ditches in the water. Although beachgoers and
> >>> witnesses were stunned, the pilot swam away unscathed. The Champion was
> >>> later recovered from the water.
> >>>
> >>> Picture as the plane hit the water: (wow!)
> >>> http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Globe_Photo/2006/08/06/1154850848_7715.jpg
> >>>
> >>> Story:
> >>> http://www.capecodonline.com/cctimes/planecrashes6.htm
> >>> http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2006/08/06/plane_crash_off_hyannis_stuns_beachgoers/
> >>>
> >> How like the public to be more concerned about themselves than the pilot.
> >
> > Well if a car goes careening out of control while you're walking down the street and it looks like it could hit
> > you, would you at that particular instant be more concerned with yourself or the driver?
>
> This wasn't a car careening out of control, it was a plane crashing.

I'm aware of that, thanks. But when something comes unexpectedly toward your general direction, either horizontally,
vertically, or both, it's likely to get your full undivided attention and a flight instinct to get the hell away
until to you have time to figure out what's going on and whether or not you are danger.

>
> And yes, if I saw a plane crashing, I would be more concerned about
> those on board than it falling on me.

Would you? How do you know that others on the ground/water in this actual accident weren't as concerned as you? I'm
glad that you feel so superior.

I posted this story because I thought it was a positive one, plane has engine fail, but pilot walks away from ocean
ditching, noone hurt. I thought the picture taken just as the plane ditched into the ocean was especially
interesting, if not rare. I should have figured someone on this group would spin it negative.

[Owen[_1_]]

cjcampbell wrote:

> Jim Carter wrote:
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Emily ]
> > > Posted At: Sunday, August 06, 2006 10:31 PM
> > > Posted To: rec.aviation.piloting
> > > Conversation: Banner Plane Impacts Water w/ photo
> > > Subject: Re: Banner Plane Impacts Water w/ photo
> > >
> > > Owen wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Emily wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> Owen wrote:
> > > >>> Aug 5, 2006. Banner plane loses power off Hyannnis, Cape Cod,
> > > >>> Massachusetts and ditches in the water. Although beachgoers and
> > > >>> witnesses were stunned, the pilot swam away unscathed. The
> > Champion
> > > was
> > > >>> later recovered from the water.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Picture as the plane hit the water: (wow!)
> > > >>> http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-
> > > fba/Globe_Photo/2006/08/06/1154850848_7715.jpg
> > > >>>
> > > >>> Story:
> > > >>> http://www.capecodonline.com/cctimes/planecrashes6.htm
> > > >>>
> > >
> > http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2006/08/06/plane
> > _c
> > > rash_off_hyannis_stuns_beachgoers/
> > > >>>
> > > >> How like the public to be more concerned about themselves than the
> > > pilot.
> > > >
> > > > Well if a car goes careening out of control while you're walking
> > down
> > > the street and it looks like it could hit
> > > > you, would you at that particular instant be more concerned with
> > > yourself or the driver?
> > >
> > > This wasn't a car careening out of control, it was a plane crashing.
> > > And yes, if I saw a plane crashing, I would be more concerned about
> > > those on board than it falling on me.
> >
> > I liked that part in the Cape Cod newspaper article where the witnesses
> > "thought it was going to hit the jetty and explode". I wonder just how
> > much ordinance this guy was carrying.
>
> More misinformation that people pick up from Hollywood. Although they
> kind of know that real automobiles do not explode when they crash,
> people are less familiar with airplanes. They learn from the movies
> that airplanes explode when they crash, even when they are out of fuel.
> Think about that when someone blows off yet more Hollywood idiocy with
> "It's only a movie."

Who said anything about being out of fuel? People need to learn from
Hollywood to know that planes can and do explode and burn after crashing? I
guess the NTSB investigators have watched a lot of Hollywood films this year
alone to make up these Hollywood plots:

http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20060502X00496&key=1
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20060313X00294&key=1
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20060213X00194&key=1
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20060110X00039&key=1
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20051130X01903&key=1
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/brief.asp?ev_id=20051110X01829&key=1

Sshhhh!! Don't let the damn investigators tell anyone know that airplanes
have exploded when they crash this year!! Shhh!



> By the way, nearly everything that people here in the Philippines know
> about America they learn from watching American sit-coms.... And
> Americans wonder why people from other countries look at them funny.

Let's hope they don't read NTSB reports! Imagine how silly they would think
"Americans" are then! And if "Americans" are so dumb, who is judging an
entire country's population on a few TV sitcoms! It's only a movie, indeed.

[Vic7]

No kidding. There's a reason airlines won't buy parts from engines or
aircraft that were immersed in salt water.



Andrew Gideon wrote:




In another vein, does this border defense protect against wind*bags* too?
Like certain senior senators from MA known to frequent the Cape Cod
area?



No hope for that - too much self interest among the decision makers (deciders?) Do you think perhaps we can get Washington to quit using Senators who've been automotively immersed in salt water?

[Christopher C. Stacy]

"cjcampbell" > writes:
> By the way, nearly everything that people here in the Philippines know
> about America they learn from watching American sit-coms.... And
> Americans wonder why people from other countries look at them funny.

I've encountered the same amazing phenomenon with many college
visiting/exchange students from Europe (France in particular).
(This is not political - I'm reaching back 15 years here.)

[Emily[_1_]]

Kingfish wrote:
> Emily wrote:
>> No kidding. There's a reason airlines won't buy parts from engines or
>> aircraft that were immersed in salt water.
>
> <conspiracy mode on>
>
> But it's OK for them to buy parts that were immersed in fresh water
> then? :-O
>
LOL!

Ok, every statement I've ever seen specifies sal****er. But I think the
immersed in freshwater is covered under the "non-incident part".