"Pakistani" airfield near Toronto?

[Paul Tomblin]

I was out flying around western New York yesterday, listening to 122.7
which is used for a lot of local airports as a CTAF. As usual, I could
also hear some airports in southern Ontario. But then I heard something
weird - a couple of guys with thick Pakistani accents were on the
frequency, and it sounded like they were calling CTAF at "Pakistan Toronto
Airfield". It also sounded like they were using British-style radio
technique, asking for "landing instructions" and the like.

Is there a flight school or something near Toronto where they train
Pakistani pilots so exclusively that they'd use "Pakistan Toronto
Airfield" as the name on the CTAF?

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[AJ]

Sounds like you made an unexpected turn At the signpost up ahead, you
are entering .. the Twilight Zone!

AJ

[Kingfish]

Paul Tomblin wrote:
> I was out flying around western New York yesterday, listening to 122.7
> which is used for a lot of local airports as a CTAF. As usual, I could
> also hear some airports in southern Ontario. But then I heard something
> weird - a couple of guys with thick Pakistani accents were on the
> frequency, and it sounded like they were calling CTAF at "Pakistan Toronto
> Airfield". It also sounded like they were using British-style radio
> technique, asking for "landing instructions" and the like.
>
> Is there a flight school or something near Toronto where they train
> Pakistani pilots so exclusively that they'd use "Pakistan Toronto
> Airfield" as the name on the CTAF?

Just how does one identify a Pakistani accent? Maybe they meant Toronto
Pearson (Int'l)?

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, "Kingfish" > said:
>Paul Tomblin wrote:
>> also hear some airports in southern Ontario. But then I heard something
>> weird - a couple of guys with thick Pakistani accents were on the
>> frequency, and it sounded like they were calling CTAF at "Pakistan Toronto
>Just how does one identify a Pakistani accent? Maybe they meant Toronto

Mostly by the way they say "Pakistan" is if the "P" is almost a "B".
Judging by the people I know, I'd say that trait is much more pronounced
in Pakistanis than Indians.

>Pearson (Int'l)?

Not on 122.7 they aren't.

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[Don Byrer]

On Mon, 7 Aug 2006 17:32:00 +0000 (UTC),
(Paul Tomblin) wrote:

>I was out flying around western New York yesterday, listening to 122.7
>which is used for a lot of local airports as a CTAF. As usual, I could
>also hear some airports in southern Ontario. But then I heard something
>weird - a couple of guys with thick Pakistani accents were on the
>frequency, and it sounded like they were calling CTAF at "Pakistan Toronto
>Airfield". It also sounded like they were using British-style radio
>technique, asking for "landing instructions" and the like.
>
>Is there a flight school or something near Toronto where they train
>Pakistani pilots so exclusively that they'd use "Pakistan Toronto
>Airfield" as the name on the CTAF?


Lake Simcoe?
http://www.lakesimcoeairport.com/info.htm
It's the right freq...and the right area.

Say "Lake Simcoe Unicom" fast with a thick accent...????

(OR "Lake Simcoe Toronto"????

got to
http://www.navcanada.ca/ContentDefinitionFiles/Publications/AeronauticalInfoProducts/CanadianAirportCharts/CanadianAirportCharts_current.pdf

Then search on 122.7 (use "edit-find") Several airports in the
vicinity use 122.7 CTAF.

--Don


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Paul Tomblin wrote:
>
> Mostly by the way they say "Pakistan" is if the "P" is almost a "B".


That's more an Arab trait. I remember an incident, shortly upon my
arriving in Khartoum, where our driver in the middle of a journey told
us that he had to bark and bray. Just as I was confirming his intent
and sensibilities, he pulled up to a lay-by, got out and knelt in
silent prayer.


> Judging by the people I know, I'd say that trait is much more pronounced
> in Pakistanis than Indians.


Indian accents are variegated, depending on which part of the country
you come from, but nearly all of us speak with that thick accent you
mention. I remember how deliberate I need to be when I have to converse
with a westerner. Ask Bob Moore :) That said, we can pass by unnoticed
in the written form of communication :)

Ramapriya

[Cub Driver]

On 8 Aug 2006 02:43:33 -0700, wrote:

>That said, we can pass by unnoticed
>in the written form of communication :)

"'Her English is too good,' he said; 'that clearly indicates that she
is ... FOREIGN!'" (My Fair Lady)


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[Skywise]

wrote in news:1155030213.693271.154520
@n13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

<Snipola>
> Indian accents are variegated, depending on which part of the country
> you come from, but nearly all of us speak with that thick accent you
> mention. I remember how deliberate I need to be when I have to converse
> with a westerner.
<Snipola>

I had heard that part of the problem here is that relative
to us American or English speakers, the Indian language is
spoken much quicker, hence when they try to speak English
it comes out too fast. Is this true from your persepective?

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Skywise wrote:
> wrote in news:1155030213.693271.154520
> @n13g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
>
> <Snipola>
> > Indian accents are variegated, depending on which part of the country you come
> > from, but nearly all of us speak with that thick accent you mention. I remember how
> > deliberate I need to be when I have to converse with a westerner.
> <Snipola>
>
> I had heard that part of the problem here is that relative to us American or English
> speakers, the Indian language is spoken much quicker, hence when they try to speak
> English it comes out too fast. Is this true from your persepective?
>
> Brian


Yes and no. The speed of delivery is but one part of the problem, but
the basic accentuations of most Indian dialects are entirely different
from English. In fact, the dialects of northern and central India,
which are nearly all derived from a language called Sanskrit, have an
accentuation that bears no resemblance at all to southern Indian ones -
but neither set of dialect has resemblance to European languages. It's
nigh on impossible for me to pronounce French or German names and terms
correctly; the roll of the tongue and tone delivery just doesn't come
out right as it does for you folk.

The problem of accent is further perpetuated by our being non-native
English, which entails a continuous pre-speech transliteration in the
brain, which can cause tangible embarrassment at times (I think in
Kannada, for example).

Indians who've lived in the US for about five years or more manage to
hold their own in English, I've noticed.

Ramapriya

[Mark Morissette]

Paul Tomblin wrote:
> I was out flying around western New York yesterday, listening to 122.7
> which is used for a lot of local airports as a CTAF. As usual, I could
> also hear some airports in southern Ontario. But then I heard something
> weird - a couple of guys with thick Pakistani accents were on the
> frequency, and it sounded like they were calling CTAF at "Pakistan Toronto

Hi Paul;

As noted, 122.7 is a common CTAF here as well.

That aside, I think I can offer some enlightenment on the inordinately
high number of Indian-accented pilots in Southern Ontario recently.

Both UOIT in Oshawa and Centennial college are offering very intensive
commercial pilot training out of CYOO, and a huge number of overseas
students have swamped the courses. At Canadian Flight Academy alone a
huge portion of the current students are of Indian decent, and there is
also the Durham Flight Center participating in these courses.

You probably heard a few of the students out on their cross countries,
perhaps.

As for the wording...I have no idea...perhaps a mix of tough to
distinguish English pronunciation along with added student stumbles on
the radio?

[Jay Beckman]

"Mark Morissette" > wrote in message
m...
> Hi Paul;
>
> As noted, 122.7 is a common CTAF here as well.
>
> That aside, I think I can offer some enlightenment on the inordinately
> high number of Indian-accented pilots in Southern Ontario recently.
>
> Both UOIT in Oshawa and Centennial college are offering very intensive
> commercial pilot training out of CYOO, and a huge number of overseas
> students have swamped the courses. At Canadian Flight Academy alone a
> huge portion of the current students are of Indian decent, and there is
> also the Durham Flight Center participating in these courses.
>
> You probably heard a few of the students out on their cross countries,
> perhaps.
>
> As for the wording...I have no idea...perhaps a mix of tough to
> distinguish English pronunciation along with added student stumbles on the
> radio?

Are we losing student-starts to our northern neighbor due to TSA/OHS
requirements?

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ

[Mark Morissette]

Jay Beckman wrote:
> Are we losing student-starts to our northern neighbor due to TSA/OHS
> requirements?

Based on the astounding number of international students that have
suddenly starting training in Canada, and the occasional chatter on the
subject, I would gather the answer is...well...yes.

To their credit, the local colleges/universities have jumped on the
international pilot training bandwagon within the last year or so, and
have apparently had great success with such.

[john smith]

In article >,
Mark Morissette > wrote:

> Jay Beckman wrote:
> > Are we losing student-starts to our northern neighbor due to TSA/OHS
> > requirements?
>
> Based on the astounding number of international students that have
> suddenly starting training in Canada, and the occasional chatter on the
> subject, I would gather the answer is...well...yes.
>
> To their credit, the local colleges/universities have jumped on the
> international pilot training bandwagon within the last year or so, and
> have apparently had great success with such.

I just read a news story that some company is building a large flight
school in Nova Scoita or Newfoundland and is getting a large Canadian
government grant to assist.

[Andrew Sarangan[_1_]]

Jay Beckman wrote:
> "Mark Morissette" > wrote in message
> m...
> > Hi Paul;
> >
> > As noted, 122.7 is a common CTAF here as well.
> >
> > That aside, I think I can offer some enlightenment on the inordinately
> > high number of Indian-accented pilots in Southern Ontario recently.
> >
> > Both UOIT in Oshawa and Centennial college are offering very intensive
> > commercial pilot training out of CYOO, and a huge number of overseas
> > students have swamped the courses. At Canadian Flight Academy alone a
> > huge portion of the current students are of Indian decent, and there is
> > also the Durham Flight Center participating in these courses.
> >
> > You probably heard a few of the students out on their cross countries,
> > perhaps.
> >
> > As for the wording...I have no idea...perhaps a mix of tough to
> > distinguish English pronunciation along with added student stumbles on the
> > radio?
>
> Are we losing student-starts to our northern neighbor due to TSA/OHS
> requirements?
>

Absolutely. Not only in aviation, but also in science and technology.
The number of international graduate students in engineering is
significantly up in Canada and down in the U.S.

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Jay Beckman wrote:
>
> Are we losing student-starts to our northern neighbor due to TSA/OHS requirements?


Nope. From what I hear, Canada is significantly cheaper. New Zealand
and Serbia are other countries that Indians go a lot to. And to the US
too, of course!

Ramapriya

[Jay Beckman]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Jay Beckman wrote:
>>
>> Are we losing student-starts to our northern neighbor due to TSA/OHS
>> requirements?
>
>
> Nope. From what I hear, Canada is significantly cheaper. New Zealand
> and Serbia are other countries that Indians go a lot to. And to the US
> too, of course!
>
> Ramapriya


I know the Chinese, Swedes (SAS? Sabena?) and Germans (Lufthansa...they own
their own airport...Mobile, AZ) are still plowing the skies of Arizona in
quantity.

Jay B