samll plane noise

[daffy]

The Bay Area is plagued by small plane noise. I can't go outside
without hearing the droneing sound. From afar, it is like some sort
of low frequency noise, as the plane gets closer, it is very
irritating.

The FAA should regulate the noise levels of these planes before
they become a real nusance, and private aircraft will be completly
banned.

[Stubby]

Pilots are already regulated by the FAA. See 91.303 for acrobatic
operation, and other sections that set altitude minimums. There are
also areas where flight is restricted. So you might try to get the
altitudes raised or a restricted zone put around your house. Lots of luck.


daffy wrote:
> The Bay Area is plagued by small plane noise. I can't go outside
> without hearing the droneing sound. From afar, it is like some sort
> of low frequency noise, as the plane gets closer, it is very
> irritating.
>
> The FAA should regulate the noise levels of these planes before
> they become a real nusance, and private aircraft will be completly
> banned.
>

[Bob Gardner]

There are noise abatement regulations in effect right now where they are
warranted. Motorcycles make more noise than prop airplanes, and they are far
more numerous and travel much nearer to people on the ground.

Bob Gardner

"daffy" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> The Bay Area is plagued by small plane noise. I can't go outside
> without hearing the droneing sound. From afar, it is like some sort
> of low frequency noise, as the plane gets closer, it is very
> irritating.
>
> The FAA should regulate the noise levels of these planes before
> they become a real nusance, and private aircraft will be completly
> banned.
>

[Gig 601XL Builder]

Isn't this how Skylune started?



"daffy" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> The Bay Area is plagued by small plane noise. I can't go outside
> without hearing the droneing sound. From afar, it is like some sort
> of low frequency noise, as the plane gets closer, it is very
> irritating.
>
> The FAA should regulate the noise levels of these planes before
> they become a real nusance, and private aircraft will be completly
> banned.
>

[Larry Dighera]

On 10 Aug 2006 13:28:39 -0700, "daffy" >
wrote in . com>:

>The Bay Area is plagued by small plane noise.

Here's the answer you got to the same question last January:

From: Don Tuite >
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
Subject: Re: Planes drone out MLK celebration
Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:51:33 GMT

On 17 Jan 2006 10:18:20 -0800, "daffy" >
wrote:

>First, the city we are talking about is Newark, not Norwalk.
>
>Second, the small plane (GA) traffic is NON-STOP, where
>a new plane passes overhead every 60 seconds or so
>everyday, so this plane noise was not done delibertly
>during the ML King celebration.
>
>It was hard to hear the speaker while planes flew above
>the event.
>
>Yes, the noise lasts only 20 seconds, and if only a few planes
>per hour were out, it wouldn't be an issue, but the airspace
>above Newark is a pilots fancy.

This complaint makes sense. Planes heading for San Carlos, Palo
Alto, Reid Hillview, Hayward, and to some extent, Oakland tend to
exit the Livermore valley via the Sunol gap. The gravel ponds at
Niles are sort of a waypoint, and Lake Elizabeth marks a step
transition in the base of the San Francisco class B, so it's
another airplane magnet. Going west or north, the reporting point
for San Carlos is the Coyote Hills, which is a little north of the
Dumbarton Bridge tollboth. Inbound Palo Alto pilots report the
Nummi plant or the salt pile, a little to the south. I'm not sure
where the Hayward reporting point is from the south, but it's got
to be right around there. A little further south and you're in San
Jose's airspace. That actually protects Milpitas because flying
east of 680 puts you out of San Jose airspace.

The result is that Newark and Fremont take it in the shorts.

I don't have a solution, but the poster is by no means talking
through his hat.

Well, I do know one thing that makes logistical sense. Move Palo
Alto GA and San Jose freight to Moffet.

Don

[Grumman-581[_1_]]

On 10 Aug 2006 13:28:39 -0700, "daffy" >
wrote:
> The Bay Area is plagued by small plane noise. I can't go outside
> without hearing the droneing sound. From afar, it is like some sort
> of low frequency noise, as the plane gets closer, it is very
> irritating.
>
> The FAA should regulate the noise levels of these planes before
> they become a real nusance, and private aircraft will be completly
> banned.

Although you sound like a yet another anti-aviation troll who bought a
house near an airport without researching it first, perhaps you would
like to post your latitude and longitude so that we can either avoid
your location if at all possible, tell you why you might be noticing a
lot of aircraft, or at the very least, fly by and wag our wings in an
aviation version of "hello"...

Interestingly, your IP address indicates that you are near Pasadena,
not the Bay Area... Perhaps you have more more problems than a bit of
buzzing in the air... One might hazard to guess that you should at
least know which ****in' part of the state you live in?

[TxSrv]

daffy wrote:
> ...
> The FAA should regulate the noise levels of these planes before
> they become a real nusance, and private aircraft will be completly
> banned.
>

"Small" misspelled notwithstanding, an appropriate usenet
poster name on this topic?? Anyway, I live on 3/4 mile
centerline from the field where my small plane is based.
Small plane noise is no biggie, and my neighbors don't bitch
at all. Even bizjets -- if not the newer generation which
are really quiet, their velocities are such the event is
half over through one's reaction time.

Like what really frosts me is noise from neighbors' lawn
mowers, especially lawn tractors. I mean they're really
nice people and all, but if I can afford a small plane, why
those people should have the common courtesy to buy
top-shelf, with a real good muffler, like one new John Deere
I heard. Why, I never realized how loud my cheapass
Craftsman weed eater was, 'til I replaced it with actually
another cheapass Toro on sale but starts real quick. I
couldn't look like a dork wearing hearing protection like
the instructions show, especially when neighbors know I fly
a little airplane up there on departure from said field.

Ooooh....the event which makes me so mad I could get myself
arrested. Like the music from the ice cream vans cruising
at 5 mph. If I hear Scott Joplin in annoying electronic
tones at 85dB just one more time (like little kids recognize
Scott Joplin), I just might grab a shotgun and take out
those big bullhorn speakers atop the van. Those disgusting
little kiddies (a la W. C. Fields) just gotta have their ice
cream on Mommy's money on a hot day, or the small
businessman driving the van is just trying to earn a living.

Gotta be nice to have so few problems that what minor,
fleeting, things other people do can be such a nuisance.
Like seeing folks driving and yapping on a cell phone in
probably a pure social call, esp one of the two genders. To
self: enough already!! ;-)

Fred F.

[daffy]

I thought it was time to complain again.

Larry Dighera wrote:
> On 10 Aug 2006 13:28:39 -0700, "daffy" >
> wrote in . com>:
>
> >The Bay Area is plagued by small plane noise.
>
> Here's the answer you got to the same question last January:
>
> From: Don Tuite >
> Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
> Subject: Re: Planes drone out MLK celebration
> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:51:33 GMT
>
> On 17 Jan 2006 10:18:20 -0800, "daffy" >
> wrote:
>
> >First, the city we are talking about is Newark, not Norwalk.
> >
> >Second, the small plane (GA) traffic is NON-STOP, where
> >a new plane passes overhead every 60 seconds or so
> >everyday, so this plane noise was not done delibertly
> >during the ML King celebration.
> >
> >It was hard to hear the speaker while planes flew above
> >the event.
> >
> >Yes, the noise lasts only 20 seconds, and if only a few planes
> >per hour were out, it wouldn't be an issue, but the airspace
> >above Newark is a pilots fancy.
>
> This complaint makes sense. Planes heading for San Carlos, Palo
> Alto, Reid Hillview, Hayward, and to some extent, Oakland tend to
> exit the Livermore valley via the Sunol gap. The gravel ponds at
> Niles are sort of a waypoint, and Lake Elizabeth marks a step
> transition in the base of the San Francisco class B, so it's
> another airplane magnet. Going west or north, the reporting point
> for San Carlos is the Coyote Hills, which is a little north of the
> Dumbarton Bridge tollboth. Inbound Palo Alto pilots report the
> Nummi plant or the salt pile, a little to the south. I'm not sure
> where the Hayward reporting point is from the south, but it's got
> to be right around there. A little further south and you're in San
> Jose's airspace. That actually protects Milpitas because flying
> east of 680 puts you out of San Jose airspace.
>
> The result is that Newark and Fremont take it in the shorts.
>
> I don't have a solution, but the poster is by no means talking
> through his hat.
>
> Well, I do know one thing that makes logistical sense. Move Palo
> Alto GA and San Jose freight to Moffet.
>
> Don

[Stubby]

daffy wrote:
>....
> The FAA should regulate the noise levels of these planes before
> they become a real nusance, and private aircraft will be completly
> banned.
>
Who are you to tell the FAA what they should do?
And why do you think it should be announced on a newsgroup concerned
with pilot issues?
Keep your day job -- you'll never make it as a politican!

[Kyle Boatright]

"daffy" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> The Bay Area is plagued by small plane noise. I can't go outside
> without hearing the droneing sound. From afar, it is like some sort
> of low frequency noise, as the plane gets closer, it is very
> irritating.
>
> The FAA should regulate the noise levels of these planes before
> they become a real nusance, and private aircraft will be completly
> banned.

Presumably, your lawnmower is silent?

People in glass houses...

[Steven Barnes]

Troll troll troll your boat...

On an aviation theme I blew my Commercial checkride yesterday. Completely
zoned during the accuracy landings in my instructor's Bonanza. Bah. 100 feet
sounds like a lot, but not when you're trying to hit a spot that size doing
75 mph.

Time for more practice.


"daffy" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> The Bay Area is plagued by small plane noise. I can't go outside
> without hearing the droneing sound. From afar, it is like some sort
> of low frequency noise, as the plane gets closer, it is very
> irritating.
>
> The FAA should regulate the noise levels of these planes before
> they become a real nusance, and private aircraft will be completly
> banned.
>

[Blanche Cohen]

Did this person post the same message a few months ago?

personally, I consider this trolling.

[Jim Macklin]

And lawn mowers, leaf blowers, chain saws, kids on little
motor-bikes, adults on H-D with straight pipes, drunk women
arguing about their boyfriends, rap music (?) that shakes
the foundations of the houses two streets away, ice cream
trucks playing that tune.

The FAA does regulate aircraft noise as part of aircraft
certification. Perhaps you should move out of the Bat
area.



--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P

"daffy" > wrote in message
oups.com...
| The Bay Area is plagued by small plane noise. I can't go
outside
| without hearing the droneing sound. From afar, it is like
some sort
| of low frequency noise, as the plane gets closer, it is
very
| irritating.
|
| The FAA should regulate the noise levels of these planes
before
| they become a real nusance, and private aircraft will be
completly
| banned.
|

[Jon Kraus]

Please don't feed the troll's.

Jon Kraus

daffy wrote:
> The Bay Area is plagued by small plane noise. I can't go outside
> without hearing the droneing sound. From afar, it is like some sort
> of low frequency noise, as the plane gets closer, it is very
> irritating.
>
> The FAA should regulate the noise levels of these planes before
> they become a real nusance, and private aircraft will be completly
> banned.
>

[gyoung]

Please, go to your nearest small airport and get to know some people
there, pilots and people in the various businesses supporting general
aviation. Learn from them about what they do and why, and about their
attitudes towards you and about what they do. Then tell us what you
learned.

TIA for being truly interested in subjects you wish to discuss.

george

[Skylune[_1_]]

Noise is only one of the issues that i have with the current state of GA.


But, times they are a changin...

[Skylune[_1_]]

Don't do that. The pilots all know there is no enforcement, and they will
retaliate by buzzing your house since you have the audacity to complain
about noise.


Here is the mentality you are fighting:
http://www.stopthenoise.org/Pilot%20Talk.htm

You need to go to the press, organize other victims, and go to the
politicians en masse. It is extremely hard to fight the FAA/AOPA cabal,
but it is possible if you are persistent and do your research.

[Skylune[_1_]]

by "Bob Gardner" > Aug 10, 2006 at 01:50 PM


There are noise abatement regulations in effect right now where they are
warranted. Motorcycles make more noise than prop airplanes, and they are
far
more numerous and travel much nearer to people on the ground.

Bob Gardner

Daffy: Don't be deterred by the same bs, canned, nonsense. Noise
statutes exist in most communities, except for small planes.

For GA, there is no enforcement whatsoever. Go to the press, the
politicians, and ORGANIZE other victims. Get the pilots to be socially
responsible, since they don't care and think (incorrectly) that the FAA
(unenforced) regs protect them.

Check state and local statutes. You may be able to file a nuisance suit.

[Barney Rubble]

You should move, the airplanes and airports where there before you were, so
get used to it or **** off.

"daffy" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> The Bay Area is plagued by small plane noise. I can't go outside
> without hearing the droneing sound. From afar, it is like some sort
> of low frequency noise, as the plane gets closer, it is very
> irritating.
>
> The FAA should regulate the noise levels of these planes before
> they become a real nusance, and private aircraft will be completly
> banned.
>

[Barney Rubble]

Yep and the answer's the same, fvck off back in your hole.
"daffy" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>I thought it was time to complain again.
>
> Larry Dighera wrote:
>> On 10 Aug 2006 13:28:39 -0700, "daffy" >
>> wrote in . com>:
>>
>> >The Bay Area is plagued by small plane noise.
>>
>> Here's the answer you got to the same question last January:
>>
>> From: Don Tuite >
>> Newsgroups: rec.aviation.piloting
>> Subject: Re: Planes drone out MLK celebration
>> Date: Tue, 17 Jan 2006 20:51:33 GMT
>>
>> On 17 Jan 2006 10:18:20 -0800, "daffy" >
>> wrote:
>>
>> >First, the city we are talking about is Newark, not Norwalk.
>> >
>> >Second, the small plane (GA) traffic is NON-STOP, where
>> >a new plane passes overhead every 60 seconds or so
>> >everyday, so this plane noise was not done delibertly
>> >during the ML King celebration.
>> >
>> >It was hard to hear the speaker while planes flew above
>> >the event.
>> >
>> >Yes, the noise lasts only 20 seconds, and if only a few planes
>> >per hour were out, it wouldn't be an issue, but the airspace
>> >above Newark is a pilots fancy.
>>
>> This complaint makes sense. Planes heading for San Carlos, Palo
>> Alto, Reid Hillview, Hayward, and to some extent, Oakland tend to
>> exit the Livermore valley via the Sunol gap. The gravel ponds at
>> Niles are sort of a waypoint, and Lake Elizabeth marks a step
>> transition in the base of the San Francisco class B, so it's
>> another airplane magnet. Going west or north, the reporting point
>> for San Carlos is the Coyote Hills, which is a little north of the
>> Dumbarton Bridge tollboth. Inbound Palo Alto pilots report the
>> Nummi plant or the salt pile, a little to the south. I'm not sure
>> where the Hayward reporting point is from the south, but it's got
>> to be right around there. A little further south and you're in San
>> Jose's airspace. That actually protects Milpitas because flying
>> east of 680 puts you out of San Jose airspace.
>>
>> The result is that Newark and Fremont take it in the shorts.
>>
>> I don't have a solution, but the poster is by no means talking
>> through his hat.
>>
>> Well, I do know one thing that makes logistical sense. Move Palo
>> Alto GA and San Jose freight to Moffet.
>>
>> Don
>

[Steve Foley[_1_]]

"daffy" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> The Bay Area is plagued by small plane noise.

Face it, civilization is loud. The more you head towards the centers of
civilization (big cities) the louder it gets. You are simply trying to
change the world into the 'vision' you have. If you want the benefits of
civilization, you have to live with the drawbacks.

There are similar arguments made against off-road vehicles. People 'want
their peace and quiet' and complain the off-roaders are taking that away.
Sorry, you are still too close to civilization.

If you don't want to hear the civilized world, head toward central Africa.

[Skylune[_1_]]

You can move far away from an airfield, and some anonymous bureacrat can
decide to create an "acro-box" right over your home. This is what
happened to the poor folks in Groton, Ma, which is not close to an
airfield.

The only safe place to be is in a narrow valley, otherwise you are a
potential victim.

[Skylune[_1_]]

;-)

Congo should be safe, I guess. And, if not, a Congo resident could
probably do private enforcement.

[NW_Pilot]

"daffy" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> The Bay Area is plagued by small plane noise. I can't go outside
> without hearing the droneing sound. From afar, it is like some sort
> of low frequency noise, as the plane gets closer, it is very
> irritating.
>
> The FAA should regulate the noise levels of these planes before
> they become a real nusance, and private aircraft will be completly
> banned.
>

I like the sound of airplanes!!! But I dislike the sounds of a whining
humans!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Steve Foley[_2_]]

"Skylune" > wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
> Don't do that. The pilots all know there is no enforcement, and they will
> retaliate by buzzing your house since you have the audacity to complain
> about noise.

If ALL pilots know there is no enforcement, why haven't I buzzed your house
yet?

[Emily[_1_]]

daffy wrote:
> The Bay Area is plagued by small plane noise. I can't go outside
> without hearing the droneing sound. From afar, it is like some sort
> of low frequency noise, as the plane gets closer, it is very
> irritating.
>
> The FAA should regulate the noise levels of these planes before
> they become a real nusance, and private aircraft will be completly
> banned.
>
<yawn>

[Bob Noel]

not in reply to steve...
> "Skylune" > wrote in message
> lkaboutaviation.com...
> > You can move far away from an airfield, and some anonymous bureacrat can
> > decide to create an "acro-box" right over your home. This is what
> > happened to the poor folks in Groton, Ma, which is not close to an
> > airfield.

yo, looney bird. Groton MA is indeed close to an airport.

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

[Terry[_1_]]

daffy wrote:
> The Bay Area is plagued by small plane noise. I can't go outside
> without hearing the droneing sound. From afar, it is like some sort
> of low frequency noise, as the plane gets closer, it is very
> irritating.
>
> The FAA should regulate the noise levels of these planes before
> they become a real nusance, and private aircraft will be completly
> banned.
>

Does anyone know if the "Samll" is in the sport pilot category? And if
so, who is the manufacturer? :--)

[Crash Lander[_1_]]

"daffy" > wrote in message
oups.com...
> The Bay Area is plagued by small plane noise. I can't go outside
> without hearing the droneing sound. From afar, it is like some sort
> of low frequency noise, as the plane gets closer, it is very
> irritating.
>
> The FAA should regulate the noise levels of these planes before
> they become a real nusance, and private aircraft will be completly
> banned.
>

You obviously didn't research the area you live in all that well before you
moved there? How long have you lived there? I wouldn't mind betting that the
airfields were there before you were. You could just move!
Crash Lander

[Judah]

"daffy" > wrote in news:1155241719.548641.249810
@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:

> The Bay Area is plagued by small plane noise. I can't go outside
> without hearing the droneing sound. From afar, it is like some sort
> of low frequency noise, as the plane gets closer, it is very
> irritating.
>
> The FAA should regulate the noise levels of these planes before
> they become a real nusance, and private aircraft will be completly
> banned.

Are you sure it's plane noise and not boat noise? I believe even small
speedboats make more noise than small planes.

If it bothers you that much, there are many places one can move to where
flying is not permitted. Unfortunately, most of them have other freedom-
inhibiting rules that may be somewhat more annoying than a little noise.

[DaveB]

On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 01:41:16 GMT, Judah > wrote:

>"daffy" > wrote in news:1155241719.548641.249810
:
>
>> The Bay Area is plagued by small plane noise. I can't go outside
>> without hearing the droneing sound. From afar, it is like some sort
>> of low frequency noise, as the plane gets closer, it is very
>> irritating.
>>
>> The FAA should regulate the noise levels of these planes before
>> they become a real nusance, and private aircraft will be completly
>> banned.
>
>Are you sure it's plane noise and not boat noise? I believe even small
>speedboats make more noise than small planes.
>
>If it bothers you that much, there are many places one can move to where
>flying is not permitted. Unfortunately, most of them have other freedom-
>inhibiting rules that may be somewhat more annoying than a little noise.

I agree, I sold my 4500 sq.ft. home on the lake and moved into a condo
near LAX.

Best

Daveb

[Judah]

"Skylune" > wrote in
lkaboutaviation.com:

> Don't do that. The pilots all know there is no enforcement, and they
> will retaliate by buzzing your house since you have the audacity to
> complain about noise.
>
>
> Here is the mentality you are fighting:
> http://www.stopthenoise.org/Pilot%20Talk.htm
>
> You need to go to the press, organize other victims, and go to the
> politicians en masse. It is extremely hard to fight the FAA/AOPA cabal,
> but it is possible if you are persistent and do your research.

Victims? Fight? What are you fighting for? What are you a victim of?

America is a country that is founded on principles of freedom and
democracy.

Pilots are free to fly in this country once they have demonstrated that
they can do so safely. In a similar manner, drivers are free to drive in
this country once they have demonstrated they can do so safely.

I'm sorry that your house is in a noisy spot. I assure you that pilots do
their best to pick practice areas that are in remote locations so as to
disturb the fewest people possible.

People may hear airplane noise if they bought houses in those areas. If it
disturbs them, that is certainly unfortunate.

The solution of creating no fly zones over your house because you are
annoyed by the noise is ludicrous. The US Government was not established
to protect a very small set of citizens from their own bad choices, poor
due diligence, or just plain bad luck.

Perhaps you should consider staying inside and turning the TV on to
eliminate the noise. Or if that is not acceptable, I can offer a good
source of inexpensive earplugs. Of course, neither I nor the US
Government, would ever attempt to restrict you from moving somewhere else
that is not in the practice area of an airport. Why would you think that
the government would attempt to restrict me from flying in your
neighborhood if I am doing so safely?

Do you believe that you have more rights than I do to the air above your
head? I'm afraid you don't own the air that circulates above or around
your person or property. Even if you breathe that air, it's just on loan,
as it will be expelled out of you shortly afterward, ultimately to be
shared by someone else.

If it disturbs you that much, I can recommend several places where you can
move to and be guaranteed not to hear small airplanes. There are countries
that restrict air travel by any other than military personnel. As such,
the likelihood of encountering airplane noise will be limited.
Unfortunately, these countries have other rules in place that restrict the
freedoms of their population and you may be affected by them. Especially
if you are of American descent. And I cannot guarantee your safety there
either, as many of these countries are in constant states of war and
rebellion, or intense poverty and corruption.

And while it may not even be quiet, you certainly won't have to worry
about airplane noise...

[Grumman-581[_1_]]

On Sat, 12 Aug 2006 02:58:42 GMT, Judah > wrote:
> I'm sorry that your house is in a noisy spot. I assure you that pilots do
> their best to pick practice areas that are in remote locations so as to
> disturb the fewest people possible.

Maybe you do, but I'm more interested in it having plenty of alternate
landing spots (i.e. large fields)... Of course this usually also
results in disturbing the fewest people possible, but that is rather
low on my priority list...

[Andrew Gideon]

On Fri, 11 Aug 2006 12:24:25 -0700, NW_Pilot wrote:

> I like the sound of airplanes!!!

We're on a common departure route from KTEB (heading towards the SBJ VOR,
I believe). Because of traffic to/from KEWR, the small jets out of KTEB
are often held to about 2000' until around my town.

Some people complain. Others enjoy the occasional push out of the
airport. Most recognize that it's the price to be paid for (1) proximity
to multiple convenient airports and (2) civilization.

My 1-year-old, upon hearing any plane, looks for it in the sky and points
it out.

My 4-year-old is fascinated by the weird concept that these airplanes'
engines have their propellers on the inside.

The residents close in to KTEB do complain somewhat. But that airport has
been there longer than they - or their parents, in many cases - have been
alive. In fact, those towns postdate the airport.

Personally, were I in charge of the airport I'd offer a "what if" month.
For one month, no employees from those towns would be paid. No local
shopping would occur. No local restaurants would be used. No local goods
or services whatsoever.

- Andrew

[Owen[_2_]]

Bob Noel wrote:

> not in reply to steve...
>
>>"Skylune" > wrote in message
lkaboutaviation.com...
>>
>>>You can move far away from an airfield, and some anonymous bureacrat can
>>>decide to create an "acro-box" right over your home. This is what
>>>happened to the poor folks in Groton, Ma, which is not close to an
>>>airfield.
>
>
> yo, looney bird. Groton MA is indeed close to an airport.

And it was a lot closer to one before Moore AAF closed. I believe
Groton even had its own airport (a grass field) at one point in the past.