My first TFR and second and third.

[Michelle P]

Sometime Friday I after surveying our latest round of fires. I mention
to my right seater that we desperately need a TFR. We have five fires in
"close" proximity to Ola, ID. Visibility was fair to poor, we had
ordered everything we could get our hand on in the air. This was 3
C-130s, 3 P-3s, 3 helos(one sky crane), one lead, and the
air-attack(us). At any given time there were six or so of the above in
the air. Three on scene three orbiting. It was a zoo. Ground crews
scrambling to stop the fire. Air tankers trying thiner best to help.
That day 93,000 gallons of Retardant was dropped.
The largest of the fires was 1000 acres by the time we saw it early
Friday Morning. It grew to 10,000 by the afternoon, yesterday it was up
to 25,000, by the time we landed this afternoon it was over 50,000.
Priory this morning was keeping the communications relays (FAA and BLM)
and lookout tower on top of Squaw Butte from burning. We succeeded. This
afternoon as the fire heads for Sweet, ID the priority is stopping it
from heading that way. Fighting a fire is like herding cats. You can't
win until they (the fire) want you to.

So what about the TFRs. Day one pretty small. Day two we made it longer.
This morning we made it longer and taller.

It is kind of interesting being on the other side of the coin. The TFR
is for our protection and yours. There are a lot of airplanes doing non-
standard maneuvers in the TFR all talking to each other. The last thing
we need is for an un-known to go through....

Stay clear of those fire TFRs they are not there to annoy you....
Michelle P

[john smith]

In article t>,
Michelle P > wrote:

> It is kind of interesting being on the other side of the coin. The TFR
> is for our protection and yours. There are a lot of airplanes doing non-
> standard maneuvers in the TFR all talking to each other. The last thing
> we need is for an un-known to go through....

I would think most of us understand and honor the fire TSA's.
It's the political ones that make no sense.
Condolences to the families of the CH-54 Skycrane crew that crashed last
week.

[Larry Dighera]

On Sun, 13 Aug 2006 21:45:05 GMT, Michelle P
> wrote in
t>:

>
>It is kind of interesting being on the other side of the coin. The TFR
>is for our protection and yours. There are a lot of airplanes doing non-
>standard maneuvers in the TFR all talking to each other. The last thing
>we need is for an un-known to go through....

I agree completely. TFRs are eminently appropriate to forest fires
and localized disaster sites. Those TFRs moving with political
dignitaries, on the other hand ... And those PERMINENT TFRs such as
over Disneyland, are not only inappropriate, but not temporary either.

Don't work too hard. Thanks for the interesting remarks. Be safe.

[Jose[_1_]]

> TFRs are eminently appropriate to forest fires
> and localized disaster sites. Those TFRs moving with political
> dignitaries, on the other hand ...

I thought they were the same. I mean... both are destructive sources of
hot air.

Jose
--
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[Larry Dighera]

On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 02:03:20 GMT, Jose >
wrote in >:

>> TFRs are eminently appropriate to forest fires
>> and localized disaster sites. Those TFRs moving with political
>> dignitaries, on the other hand ...
>
>I thought they were the same. I mean... both are destructive sources of
>hot air.
>

Naw. One produces a lot of smoke smoke (but little light) and ignites
fear and hatred, the other disrupts lives indiscriminately while
clearing brush. :-)

[Michelle P]

john smith wrote:
> In article t>,
> Michelle P > wrote:
>
>
>>It is kind of interesting being on the other side of the coin. The TFR
>>is for our protection and yours. There are a lot of airplanes doing non-
>>standard maneuvers in the TFR all talking to each other. The last thing
>>we need is for an un-known to go through....
>
>
> I would think most of us understand and honor the fire TSA's.
> It's the political ones that make no sense.
> Condolences to the families of the CH-54 Skycrane crew that crashed last
> week.
Unfortunately we lost another helo yesterday.

Michelle P

[Michelle P]

john smith wrote:
> In article t>,
> Michelle P > wrote:
>
>
>>It is kind of interesting being on the other side of the coin. The TFR
>>is for our protection and yours. There are a lot of airplanes doing non-
>>standard maneuvers in the TFR all talking to each other. The last thing
>>we need is for an un-known to go through....
>
>
> I would think most of us understand and honor the fire TSA's.
> It's the political ones that make no sense.
> Condolences to the families of the CH-54 Skycrane crew that crashed last
> week.
We had an airplane (we got a visual) come through the TFR yesterday
afternoon. Fortunately they clipped the southwest corner and we high.
They were over it by Saturdays size definitions. They were in it by
Sundays. We had to raise the ceiling due to fighting a fire on the
ridge. This raised all of us 2000 feet. We raised the ceiling from 9000
to 10,000.

Be safe,
Michele

[Grumman-581[_1_]]

On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:08:57 GMT, Michelle P
> wrote:
> Unfortunately we lost another helo yesterday.

Dammit, quit doing that... You don't think they grow on trees, do ya'?

Of course, if they did, they would grow on a helicopter tree, right?
http://www.stmarysbroome.wa.edu.au/home/nature/gyro.html

[Michelle P]

Grumman-581 wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Aug 2006 15:08:57 GMT, Michelle P
> > wrote:
>
>>Unfortunately we lost another helo yesterday.
>
>
> Dammit, quit doing that... You don't think they grow on trees, do ya'?
>
> Of course, if they did, they would grow on a helicopter tree, right?
> http://www.stmarysbroome.wa.edu.au/home/nature/gyro.html
The investigators just got back from the field about 30 minutes ago.
They all headed the the Airline terminal. They were not talking but the
rumor mill will be in full swing tomorrow.

Michelle P