Jackson Hole TFR

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Planning a trip to Jackson Hole next week, but of course the AOPA web
site lists a potential TFR for Jackson Hole airport from August
17th-Sept. 1st.

Is the JAC (jackson Hole) airport CLOSED during the TFR to GA or what
is the deal?

Reading the TFR text for the latest TFR's out there show the airspace
for something like 3-4 n.m. upto 6000 feet.
Can one fly in on an IFR flight plan? VFR flight plan with flight
following or not?

Thanks for any light one can shed on this irritating development.

Ryan in Madison, WI

[Jim Macklin]

NOTAM : 6/6761

FDC 6/6761 ZLC WY.. FLIGHT RESTRICTIONS JACKSON,
WYOMING, AUGUST 18-23, 2006 LOCAL. PURSUANT TO TITLE 14,
SECTION 91.141 OF THE CODE OF FEDERAL REGULATIONS, AIRCRAFT
FLIGHT OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED WITHIN THE FOLLOWING
AREA(S) UNLESS OTHERWISE AUTHORIZED BY ATC IN CONSULTATION
WITH THE DOMESTIC EVENTS NETWORK (DEN). WITHIN A 3 NMR OF
433623N/1104418W OR THE JAC185000.9 UP TO BUT NOT INCLUDING
3000 FT AGL EFFECTIVE: 0608182130 UTC (1530 LOCAL 08/18/06)
UNTIL 0608182220 UTC (1620 LOCAL 08/18/06). WITHIN A 4 NMR
OF 433144N/1105044W OR THE JAC209007.4 UP TO BUT NOT
INCLUDING 6000 FT AGL EFFECTIVE: 0608182210 UTC (1610 LOCAL
08/18/06) UNTIL 0608231740 UTC (1140 LOCAL 08/23/06). WITHIN
A 3 NMR OF 433623N/1104418W OR THE JAC185000.9 UP TO BUT NOT
INCLUDING 3000 FT AGL EFFECTIVE: 0608231730 UTC (1130 LOCAL
08/23/06) UNTIL 0608231820 UTC (1220 LOCAL 08/23/06).

http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_6_6761.html

You can get approval, for flights such as medical, law
enforcement, and S&R and other flights that are security
cleared. But if all you want to do is make a fuel stop,
easier to pick another place.





> wrote in message
oups.com...
| Planning a trip to Jackson Hole next week, but of course
the AOPA web
| site lists a potential TFR for Jackson Hole airport from
August
| 17th-Sept. 1st.
|
| Is the JAC (jackson Hole) airport CLOSED during the TFR to
GA or what
| is the deal?
|
| Reading the TFR text for the latest TFR's out there show
the airspace
| for something like 3-4 n.m. upto 6000 feet.
| Can one fly in on an IFR flight plan? VFR flight plan with
flight
| following or not?
|
| Thanks for any light one can shed on this irritating
development.
|
| Ryan in Madison, WI
|

[Walt]

I believe Dick Cheney will be staying at his place there for a while.

Think about flying into Driggs, Idaho instead. It's not far from
Jackson Hole and Teton Aviation is a good FBO.

--Walt Weaver
Bozeman, Montana

wrote:
> Planning a trip to Jackson Hole next week, but of course the AOPA web
> site lists a potential TFR for Jackson Hole airport from August
> 17th-Sept. 1st.
>
> Is the JAC (jackson Hole) airport CLOSED during the TFR to GA or what
> is the deal?
>
> Reading the TFR text for the latest TFR's out there show the airspace
> for something like 3-4 n.m. upto 6000 feet.
> Can one fly in on an IFR flight plan? VFR flight plan with flight
> following or not?
>
> Thanks for any light one can shed on this irritating development.
>
> Ryan in Madison, WI

[[email protected]]

Actually, Jackson hole is the destination for us, not a fuel stop.
Already have a condo rented.

So Jackson Hole is closed to general aviation for the entire time...?!?!

[[email protected]]

Here's the lowdown, The Vp is in and out alot these days going to
various functions away from here. They close the airport for his
departure and arrival, these closures last about 20-30 minutes and are
determined a few hours in advance. Flight service and SLC ATC will
pass along the current notams. It's not really a big deal so making JAC
a destination is still a treat for sure. The TFR over his house is hot
anytime he is here, Thats the one 7.4 NM southwest of the JAC VOR with
a 4NM radius. During his departure/arrival the airport is closed up to
3000 AGL and 3 NM radius, over the field. It is easy to hold east of
the field and take in the beauty of the Tetons for a few minutes.
Probably the prettiest hold you will ever be in. <G>

Ben
N801BH
Jackson Hole WY




wrote:
> Planning a trip to Jackson Hole next week, but of course the AOPA web
> site lists a potential TFR for Jackson Hole airport from August
> 17th-Sept. 1st.
>
> Is the JAC (jackson Hole) airport CLOSED during the TFR to GA or what
> is the deal?
>
> Reading the TFR text for the latest TFR's out there show the airspace
> for something like 3-4 n.m. upto 6000 feet.
> Can one fly in on an IFR flight plan? VFR flight plan with flight
> following or not?
>
> Thanks for any light one can shed on this irritating development.
>
> Ryan in Madison, WI

[Jim Macklin]

Not necessarily, get a clearance and approval by the D E N
office.



> wrote in message
oups.com...
| Actually, Jackson hole is the destination for us, not a
fuel stop.
| Already have a condo rented.
|
| So Jackson Hole is closed to general aviation for the
entire time...?!?!
|

[Morgans[_3_]]

"Jim Macklin" > wrote in message
news:8r_Eg.4430$SZ3.3352@dukeread04...
> Not necessarily, get a clearance and approval by the D E N
> office.

I have a feeling I'm going to be slapping my forehead, with a hearty Doh!,
but I've gotta' ask - D E N ?
--
Jim in NC

[Jim Macklin]

It is listed in the NOTAM for the TFR
NOTAM Number : FDC 6/6761
Issue Date : August 16, 2006 at 19:21 UTC
Location : Jackson, Wyoming
Beginning Date and Time : August 18, 2006 at 21:30 UTC
Ending Date and Time : August 23, 2006 at 18:20 UTC
Reason for NOTAM : Temporary flight restrictions for
VIP (Very Important Person) Movement
Type : VIP
Replaced NOTAM(s) : N/A

Affected Area(s)

Area A
Airspace Definition:
TFR Center: 0.9 nautical miles from JACKSON
VOR/DME(JAC) on the 185 radial (Latitude: 43º36'23"N,
Longitude: 110º44'18"W)
Radius: 3 nautical miles
Altitude: From the surface up to but not
including 3000 feet AGL
Effective Date(s):
August 18, 2006 at 21:30 UTC (August 18, 2006 at 15:30
MDT) - August 18, 2006 at 22:20 UTC (August 18, 2006 at
16:20 MDT)

Area B
Airspace Definition:
TFR Center: 7.4 nautical miles from JACKSON
VOR/DME(JAC) on the 209 radial (Latitude: 43º31'44"N,
Longitude: 110º50'44"W)
Radius: 4 nautical miles
Altitude: From the surface up to but not
including 6000 feet AGL
Effective Date(s):
August 18, 2006 at 22:10 UTC (August 18, 2006 at 16:10
MDT) - August 23, 2006 at 17:40 UTC (August 23, 2006 at
11:40 MDT)

Area C
Airspace Definition:
TFR Center: 0.9 nautical miles from JACKSON
VOR/DME(JAC) on the 185 radial (Latitude: 43º36'23"N,
Longitude: 110º44'18"W)
Radius: 3 nautical miles
Altitude: From the surface up to but not
including 3000 feet AGL
Effective Date(s):
August 23, 2006 at 17:30 UTC (August 23, 2006 at 11:30
MDT) - August 23, 2006 at 18:20 UTC (August 23, 2006 at
12:20 MDT)

Operating Restrictions and Requirements

No pilots may operate an aircraft in the areas covered
by this NOTAM (except as described).

Unless otherwise authorized by ATC in consultation with
the Domestic Events Network (DEN).


Other Information:
ARTCC: ZLC - Salt Lake City Center
Authority: Title 14 CFR section 91.141




"Morgans" > wrote in message
...
|
| "Jim Macklin" > wrote
in message
| news:8r_Eg.4430$SZ3.3352@dukeread04...
| > Not necessarily, get a clearance and approval by the D E
N
| > office.
|
| I have a feeling I'm going to be slapping my forehead,
with a hearty Doh!,
| but I've gotta' ask - D E N ?
| --
| Jim in NC
|

[Howard Nelson]

> wrote in message
oups.com...
> Here's the lowdown, The Vp is in and out alot these days going to
> various functions away from here. They close the airport for his
> departure and arrival, these closures last about 20-30 minutes and are
> determined a few hours in advance. Flight service and SLC ATC will
> pass along the current notams. It's not really a big deal so making JAC
> a destination is still a treat for sure. The TFR over his house is hot
> anytime he is here, Thats the one 7.4 NM southwest of the JAC VOR with
> a 4NM radius. During his departure/arrival the airport is closed up to
> 3000 AGL and 3 NM radius, over the field. It is easy to hold east of
> the field and take in the beauty of the Tetons for a few minutes.
> Probably the prettiest hold you will ever be in. <G>
>
> Ben
> N801BH
> Jackson Hole WY
>
And why can't the notam read this way. You know plain english for the great
unwashed. Sort of the same with fire season TFR's perhaps in addition to the
usual vor radial point and diameter they could provide a "plain english"
translation. And by the way given the known accuracy of vor radials and DME
measurements just how "accurate" are these TRF's.

Howard

[Larry Dighera]

On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:04:14 -0500, "Jim Macklin"
> wrote in
<VR_Eg.4432$SZ3.2448@dukeread04>:

>
> Unless otherwise authorized by ATC in consultation with
>the Domestic Events Network (DEN).


THE DOMESTIC EVENTS NETWORK (DEN) AT (202) 493-5107, IS THE FAA
COORDINATION FACILITY.

http://www.gao.gov/atext/d05928t.txt
* FAA has increased its use of temporarily restricted airspace for
national security purposes and has issued over 220 Notices to
Airmen[Footnote 4] to identify the location of restricted
airspace. In
addition, the FAA established the Domestic Events
Network,[Footnote 5] an interagency teleconferencing system that
permits the agencies to communicate about and coordinate their
response to violations of restricted airspace.

[5] While our report discusses management of restricted airspace
violations, the mission of the Domestic Events Network also
includes managing the response to hijackings, suspicious
activities, and other events.

[Newps]

Howard Nelson wrote:

>>
>
> And why can't the notam read this way. You know plain english for the great
> unwashed. Sort of the same with fire season TFR's perhaps in addition to the
> usual vor radial point and diameter they could provide a "plain english"
> translation. And by the way given the known accuracy of vor radials and DME
> measurements just how "accurate" are these TRF's.
>

The TFR is officially based on the lat/lon's given. The VOR radial/DME
is the plain english version.

[[email protected]]

> >
> And why can't the notam read this way. You know plain english for the great
> unwashed. Sort of the same with fire season TFR's perhaps in addition to the
> usual vor radial point and diameter they could provide a "plain english"
> translation. And by the way given the known accuracy of vor radials and DME
> measurements just how "accurate" are these TRF's.
>
> Howard

Pilots are expected to be able to read and decipher METAR, TAF, and
NOTAM text, including reading the details about times that they are in
effect, which is clearly posted in the NOTAM.

The best way to deal with these NOTAMs is to grab a piece of paper, and
write down the pertinent information (such as the dates and times that
it is in effect) in a way that makes sense to you. Note that they are
going the extra mile in these NOTAMs now and publishing local times as
well as Zulu to make it easier on you... If you do this, you will
make yourself actually read the thing thoroughly enough to really
understand what it is saying.

Dean

[Gig 601XL Builder]

Since we're talking about TFR anybody have any idea what this one is for?

LA.. FLIGHT RESTRICTION BARKSDALE AFB/SHREVEPORT, LA EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY
UNTIL 0608182300 UTC (1800 LOCAL 08/18/06). PURSUANT TO TITLE 14 CFR SECTION
99.7, SPECIAL SECURITY INSTRUCTIONS ARE IN EFFECT WITHIN A 5 NMR OF
323006N/0933945W OR THE EMG324007.0 UP TO AND INCLUDING 12000 FT MSL. ALL
AIRCRAFT FLIGHT OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED WITHIN THE FOLLOWING AREA(S)
UNLESS OTHERWISE AUTHORIZED BY ATC IN CONSULTATION WITH THE DOMESTIC EVENTS
NETWORK (DEN) OR MEET THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA: A. MILITARY, LAW ENFORCEMENT
OR AEROMEDICAL AIRCRAFT. B. KDTN ARRIVALS AND DEPARTURES AUTHORIZED BY ATC.
C. IFR OPERATIONS AUTHORIZED BY ATC. WIE UNTIL UFN

[Dave S]

Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
> Since we're talking about TFR anybody have any idea what this one is for?
>
> LA.. FLIGHT RESTRICTION BARKSDALE AFB/SHREVEPORT, LA EFFECTIVE IMMEDIATELY
> UNTIL 0608182300 UTC (1800 LOCAL 08/18/06). PURSUANT TO TITLE 14 CFR SECTION
> 99.7, SPECIAL SECURITY INSTRUCTIONS ARE IN EFFECT WITHIN A 5 NMR OF
> 323006N/0933945W OR THE EMG324007.0 UP TO AND INCLUDING 12000 FT MSL. ALL
> AIRCRAFT FLIGHT OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED WITHIN THE FOLLOWING AREA(S)
> UNLESS OTHERWISE AUTHORIZED BY ATC IN CONSULTATION WITH THE DOMESTIC EVENTS
> NETWORK (DEN) OR MEET THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA: A. MILITARY, LAW ENFORCEMENT
> OR AEROMEDICAL AIRCRAFT. B. KDTN ARRIVALS AND DEPARTURES AUTHORIZED BY ATC.
> C. IFR OPERATIONS AUTHORIZED BY ATC. WIE UNTIL UFN
>
>


Someone playing with the nukes and moving em out/relocating em?

Barksdale is a B52 base.

[Grumman-581[_1_]]

On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:50:02 GMT, Dave S >
wrote:
> Barksdale is a B52 base.

They still have any A-10s located there? I seem to remember the
periodic flight of A-10s coming across I-20 at low level...

[Grumman-581[_1_]]

On Thu, 17 Aug 2006 09:51:30 -0600, Newps > wrote:
> The TFR is officially based on the lat/lon's given. The VOR radial/DME
> is the plain english version.

You call that *plain English*? <grin>

Come on folks, we're not in the teletype days anymore, you don't have
to write everything in all caps... Multiple paragraphs might be nice
also...

http://tfr.faa.gov/save_pages/detail_6_6761.html

Definitely more readable...

I gave up punch cards a *long* time ago... I don't need to read things
in all caps anymore...

[Denny]

The interesting thing to me is that these TFR's seemingly have never
blocked a law firm from meeting their client, or cost a corporation a
contract because their representative was blocked out by a TFR...
I have been waiting for that day when a law firm with the means and the
will gets shut out and decides to sue the FAA/DOT/HSA for damages... A
federal judge has just ruled that the President constitutionally does
not have the right to wire tap the citizenry without court approval and
ordered him to stop... (hint to law firm: that might just be the court
to sue in) My belief is that the uncompensated taking of public
airspace every time some elected scumbag decides to go somewhere is not
sustainable if challenged by someone with the ability to fight it all
the way to the Brethern... Same argument on permanent temporary flight
restrictions...

denny

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Dave S" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> Gig 601XL Builder wrote:
>> Since we're talking about TFR anybody have any idea what this one is for?
>>
>> LA.. FLIGHT RESTRICTION BARKSDALE AFB/SHREVEPORT, LA EFFECTIVE
>> IMMEDIATELY UNTIL 0608182300 UTC (1800 LOCAL 08/18/06). PURSUANT TO TITLE
>> 14 CFR SECTION 99.7, SPECIAL SECURITY INSTRUCTIONS ARE IN EFFECT WITHIN A
>> 5 NMR OF 323006N/0933945W OR THE EMG324007.0 UP TO AND INCLUDING 12000 FT
>> MSL. ALL AIRCRAFT FLIGHT OPERATIONS ARE PROHIBITED WITHIN THE FOLLOWING
>> AREA(S) UNLESS OTHERWISE AUTHORIZED BY ATC IN CONSULTATION WITH THE
>> DOMESTIC EVENTS NETWORK (DEN) OR MEET THE FOLLOWING CRITERIA: A.
>> MILITARY, LAW ENFORCEMENT OR AEROMEDICAL AIRCRAFT. B. KDTN ARRIVALS AND
>> DEPARTURES AUTHORIZED BY ATC. C. IFR OPERATIONS AUTHORIZED BY ATC. WIE
>> UNTIL UFN
>
>
> Someone playing with the nukes and moving em out/relocating em?
>
> Barksdale is a B52 base.

That's kind of what I thought but I've never seen such a TFR for the area
before.

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Grumman-581" > wrote in message
...
> On Fri, 18 Aug 2006 01:50:02 GMT, Dave S >
> wrote:
>> Barksdale is a B52 base.
>
> They still have any A-10s located there? I seem to remember the
> periodic flight of A-10s coming across I-20 at low level...

Yep the 917th is a composite wing which operates both the A-10A Thunderbolt
II and the B-52H Stratofortress.

[[email protected]]

Well, we flew in. What a spectacular flight once you hit western South
Dakota, flew just south of Mount Rushmore, Crazy Horse, the Big Horn
mtns in WY, and then over the mountains in the Bridger-Teton national
forest northeast of Jackson Hole.
The fire TFR east of Jackson Hole ended up causing us more of a
headache (or was it the hypoxia...?) then Cheney's TFR.
The TFR for the airport is truly for when he comes and goes, so that
didn't affect us fortunately. And sure enough, there was a very
official looking 737-800 sitting on the ramp with lots of bored looking
security staff hanging about.

Lots of turbines (parked two deep on the ramp). Not so much piston, but
parked next to us was a Taylorcraft! I'd prefer not to be in that on a
hot day lumbering out of that valley.
The FBO folks were still very cordial despite our lack of turbines.

Thanks for all the responses.

Ryan in Madison (well, not right now)

[[email protected]]

Welcome to the "HOLE". Just east of where you are tied down is a
hangar with 3 of the nicest P-51's you will ever see. I am in the big
hangar just to the north. If you are laying in bed at to condo and hear
what you think is a race car don't freak out, it's just me flying my
experimental powered by a Ford V-8. I try to get up every mornin and
roust the tourists...<G>

PS. The guys at Jackson Hole Aviation are great people, they don't care
if you flew in by a G-V or a Cub, everyone gets the down home western
hospitality...

Ben
N801BH
www.haaspowerair.com

wrote:
> Well, we flew in. What a spectacular flight once you hit western South
> Dakota, flew just south of Mount Rushmore, Crazy Horse, the Big Horn
> mtns in WY, and then over the mountains in the Bridger-Teton national
> forest northeast of Jackson Hole.
> The fire TFR east of Jackson Hole ended up causing us more of a
> headache (or was it the hypoxia...?) then Cheney's TFR.
> The TFR for the airport is truly for when he comes and goes, so that
> didn't affect us fortunately. And sure enough, there was a very
> official looking 737-800 sitting on the ramp with lots of bored looking
> security staff hanging about.
>
> Lots of turbines (parked two deep on the ramp). Not so much piston, but
> parked next to us was a Taylorcraft! I'd prefer not to be in that on a
> hot day lumbering out of that valley.
> The FBO folks were still very cordial despite our lack of turbines.
>
> Thanks for all the responses.
>
> Ryan in Madison (well, not right now)

[[email protected]]

wrote:
> Welcome to the "HOLE". Just east of where you are tied down is a
> hangar with 3 of the nicest P-51's you will ever see. I am in the big
> hangar just to the north. If you are laying in bed at to condo and hear
> what you think is a race car don't freak out, it's just me flying my
> experimental powered by a Ford V-8. I try to get up every mornin and
> roust the tourists...<G>
>
> PS. The guys at Jackson Hole Aviation are great people, they don't care
> if you flew in by a G-V or a Cub, everyone gets the down home western
> hospitality...


We're in a "burnt orange" Cessna 182 (N7DL).
We took the tram up to Rendevous Mountain yesterday and watched the
paragliders launching off into the valley. Quite a sight! Would have
loved to take a tandem flight, but the wife had issues with throwing
myself off a mountain....

[[email protected]]

"HE" should be leaving tomorrow in his usual 757 ride so the TFR should
be history for a few more weeks til he comes home again. What part of
town is your condo in????\\

Ben
wrote:
> wrote:
> > Welcome to the "HOLE". Just east of where you are tied down is a
> > hangar with 3 of the nicest P-51's you will ever see. I am in the big
> > hangar just to the north. If you are laying in bed at to condo and hear
> > what you think is a race car don't freak out, it's just me flying my
> > experimental powered by a Ford V-8. I try to get up every mornin and
> > roust the tourists...<G>
> >
> > PS. The guys at Jackson Hole Aviation are great people, they don't care
> > if you flew in by a G-V or a Cub, everyone gets the down home western
> > hospitality...
>
>
> We're in a "burnt orange" Cessna 182 (N7DL).
> We took the tram up to Rendevous Mountain yesterday and watched the
> paragliders launching off into the valley. Quite a sight! Would have
> loved to take a tandem flight, but the wife had issues with throwing
> myself off a mountain....

[Montblack[_1_]]

wrote)
> "HE" should be leaving tomorrow in his usual 757 ride so the TFR should be
> history for a few more weeks til he comes home again. What part of town is
> your condo in????\\


Just guessing..."The nice part."


Montblack :-)

[[email protected]]

we're over at Teton mountain lodge.