A New Threat to The USA, Iranian F-14 Tomcats? Answer it ...

[Amir - Iranian F-4 pilot]

A New Threat to The USA, Iranian F-14 Tomcats? Answer it ...
Since the US Navy has phased out its fleet of F-14's and AIM-54's and
while, neither the USAF has no aircraft for air engagement for
distances more than 30 miles nor the US Navy, Iran - at the present
time - has more numbers of powerful interceptors of tomcats having
strength of engagement for distances of more than 120 miles away versus
the USA, So that's a new big threat to the USA, because the Iranian
Tomcats not only are armed with AIM-54's but also can be equipped
with new high-efficiency weapons for more threat to USA!!!
So what can do the USA against this new threat?!!

[St. John Smythe]

Amir - Iranian F-4 pilot wrote:
> A New Threat to The USA, Iranian F-14 Tomcats? Answer it ...
> Since the US Navy has phased out its fleet of F-14's and AIM-54's and
> while, neither the USAF has no aircraft for air engagement for
> distances more than 30 miles nor the US Navy, Iran - at the present
> time - has more numbers of powerful interceptors of tomcats having
> strength of engagement for distances of more than 120 miles away versus
> the USA, So that's a new big threat to the USA, because the Iranian
> Tomcats not only are armed with AIM-54's but also can be equipped
> with new high-efficiency weapons for more threat to USA!!!
> So what can do the USA against this new threat?!!

Does this mean Iran has solved the replacement parts problem?

--
St. John
Justice, n.:
A decision in your favor.

[Airyx]

Amir - Iranian F-4 pilot wrote:
> A New Threat to The USA, Iranian F-14 Tomcats? Answer it ...
> Since the US Navy has phased out its fleet of F-14's and AIM-54's and
> while, neither the USAF has no aircraft for air engagement for
> distances more than 30 miles nor the US Navy, Iran - at the present
> time - has more numbers of powerful interceptors of tomcats having
> strength of engagement for distances of more than 120 miles away versus
> the USA, So that's a new big threat to the USA, because the Iranian
> Tomcats not only are armed with AIM-54's but also can be equipped
> with new high-efficiency weapons for more threat to USA!!!
> So what can do the USA against this new threat?!!

Uh..huh?

You are calling a platform designed 40 years ago, and now retired in US
service because its old and obsolete a "new threat"?

[Airyx]

St. John Smythe wrote:

> Does this mean Iran has solved the replacement parts problem?

For a long time they cannibalized the fleet of 70 to keep examples
flying. They eventually got down to only 7 flyable Tomcats and no
functioning Aim-54's (the solid fuel propellant expired). Since then,
they have reverse engineered some of the spare parts needed, and have a
few more flyable Tomcats, but not enough to fill out a squadron.

I don't think they've been able to fix the propellant problems with the
Aim-54s. They pretty much just use the AWG-9 as an AWACs system.

[José Herculano]

> So what can do the USA against this new threat?!!

Send a couple of stealths (F-22) to deal with it? Or anyother current
inventory bird with proper jamming... it seems to me that the US knows how
to jam an AWG-9 / AIM-54A combo ;-)

Love the Tomcat LOTS, but those Iranian birds are way behind the current
technology. Now, a current VF-31 spec F-14D Tomcat, still carrying the
phased out AIM-54C... that would be another ball game.

José

[Amir - Iranian F-4 pilot]

Airyx wrote:
> St. John Smythe wrote:
>
> > Does this mean Iran has solved the replacement parts problem?
>
> For a long time they cannibalized the fleet of 70 to keep examples
> flying. They eventually got down to only 7 flyable Tomcats and no
> functioning Aim-54's (the solid fuel propellant expired). Since then,
> they have reverse engineered some of the spare parts needed, and have a
> few more flyable Tomcats, but not enough to fill out a squadron.
>
> I don't think they've been able to fix the propellant problems with the
> Aim-54s. They pretty much just use the AWG-9 as an AWACs system.
Hi,
It seems your information is very old and out of date, even your
information about Iran comes back to more than 20 years , your writtens
shows that you are not aware of Iran Airforce,
Iran used effectively of its Tomcats during Iran-Iraq war resulting in
80 kill, and even the best F-14 pilot worldwide is an Iranian, named
"Zandi" with 12 confirmed kills.
As you know F-14 is the strongest interceptor, even now, that every
country dreams of having it...
Even recently Awacs E-3 sentry from USAF detected 16 Iranian F-14 in a
flight group near Iraq border, probably 1/3 of its fleet..
Iran recently has updated its F-14s and AIM-54s to a high standard
that forms a formidable opponent for any aircraft in the air. Iran even
has defined the role of bombing for them...
For more information you can refer to article titled "Iran: A
Formidable Opponent?" printed in Combat Aircraft Volume 7 No.6 by Tom
Cooper & Liam F. Devlin

[Andrew Venor]

Amir - Iranian F-4 pilot wrote:


> As you know F-14 is the strongest interceptor, even now, that every
> country dreams of having it...

I would imagine that the lack of orders pouring into Northrop Grumman
for that design would poke a hole in your story.

ALV

[Airyx]

Amir - Iranian F-4 pilot wrote:

> Hi,
> It seems your information is very old and out of date, even your
> information about Iran comes back to more than 20 years , your writtens
> shows that you are not aware of Iran Airforce,
> Iran used effectively of its Tomcats during Iran-Iraq war resulting in
> 80 kill, and even the best F-14 pilot worldwide is an Iranian, named
> "Zandi" with 12 confirmed kills.

This is like arguing with a child. You tell me my information is 20
years old, then tell me about Iran's use of Tomcats 20 years ago.
After the Iran-Iraq war, the Tomcats fell into a horrible state of
disrepair due to a lack of parts and engineering knowledge. Since then
they have been able to get some more of them back online by reverse
engineering some of the needed parts. We've seen about 10 flyable
examples, 16 wouldn't surprise me, but getting one to fly and having it
ready to fight are two different things.

> As you know F-14 is the strongest interceptor, even now, that every
> country dreams of having it...

An F-14A with an AWG-9 radar, and TF30 engines, all 40 year old designs
is most definately NOT the strongest interceptor. For interception
duties, I'd say the best aircraft in the world is the Mig-31. For
general air superiority missions, such as OCA and BarCAP, Tomcats
aren't particularly good at all (which is why they weren't used in that
role over Iraq, F-15s were).

Not every country deams of having F-14s, they are a maintenance
nightmare, and are now easily outclassed by the F-18E, Rafale,
Eurofighter, Su-27, and, of course, the F-22. Israel was given the
choice of F-15s or F-14s, and they chose F-15s.

There is a reason the US chose to stop using them. The model Iran has,
the A's were retired or upgraded to B model standard a long time ago,
the last of the F-14D's, far superior to the A's were just retired last
month, and by the way, they are still available if they are needed.
Most of them are still sitting on the tarmac at Oceana Naval Air
station waiting to fly to Arizona for storage.

Now, Iran is somewhat of a formidable opponent, but not because of
their air force, but because of their integrated air defense network.
There are a number of Russian S-300 SAM systems, networked together,
that pose quite a challenge.

[TJ]

Airyx wrote:
> Amir - Iranian F-4 pilot wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> > It seems your information is very old and out of date, even your
> > information about Iran comes back to more than 20 years , your writtens
> > shows that you are not aware of Iran Airforce,
> > Iran used effectively of its Tomcats during Iran-Iraq war resulting in
> > 80 kill, and even the best F-14 pilot worldwide is an Iranian, named
> > "Zandi" with 12 confirmed kills.
>
> This is like arguing with a child. You tell me my information is 20
> years old, then tell me about Iran's use of Tomcats 20 years ago.
> After the Iran-Iraq war, the Tomcats fell into a horrible state of
> disrepair due to a lack of parts and engineering knowledge. Since then
> they have been able to get some more of them back online by reverse
> engineering some of the needed parts. We've seen about 10 flyable
> examples, 16 wouldn't surprise me, but getting one to fly and having it
> ready to fight are two different things.
>
> > As you know F-14 is the strongest interceptor, even now, that every
> > country dreams of having it...
>
> An F-14A with an AWG-9 radar, and TF30 engines, all 40 year old designs
> is most definately NOT the strongest interceptor. For interception
> duties, I'd say the best aircraft in the world is the Mig-31. For
> general air superiority missions, such as OCA and BarCAP, Tomcats
> aren't particularly good at all (which is why they weren't used in that
> role over Iraq, F-15s were).
>
> Not every country deams of having F-14s, they are a maintenance
> nightmare, and are now easily outclassed by the F-18E, Rafale,
> Eurofighter, Su-27, and, of course, the F-22. Israel was given the
> choice of F-15s or F-14s, and they chose F-15s.
>
> There is a reason the US chose to stop using them. The model Iran has,
> the A's were retired or upgraded to B model standard a long time ago,
> the last of the F-14D's, far superior to the A's were just retired last
> month, and by the way, they are still available if they are needed.
> Most of them are still sitting on the tarmac at Oceana Naval Air
> station waiting to fly to Arizona for storage.
>
> Now, Iran is somewhat of a formidable opponent, but not because of
> their air force, but because of their integrated air defense network.
> There are a number of Russian S-300 SAM systems, networked together,
> that pose quite a challenge.

There is a reason why the S-300 doesn't appear on any Coalition threat
list for Iran - They don't have any! The Iranians don't even use Tin
Shield for early warning. Yes the Iranians have S-300 if you check out
some websites, but in reality not a squeak.

[[email protected]]

Amir - Iranian F-4 pilot wrote:
> A New Threat to The USA, Iranian F-14 Tomcats? Answer it ...
> Since the US Navy has phased out its fleet of F-14's and AIM-54's and
> while, neither the USAF has no aircraft for air engagement for
> distances more than 30 miles nor the US Navy, Iran - at the present
> time - has more numbers of powerful interceptors of tomcats having
> strength of engagement for distances of more than 120 miles away versus
> the USA, So that's a new big threat to the USA, because the Iranian
> Tomcats not only are armed with AIM-54's but also can be equipped
> with new high-efficiency weapons for more threat to USA!!!
> So what can do the USA against this new threat?!!

Are you really Tom Cooper???

[orko_8]

Amir - Iranian F-4 pilot wrote:


As you know F-14 is the strongest interceptor, even now, that every
country dreams of having it...

I would imagine that the lack of orders pouring into Northrop Grumman
for that design would poke a hole in your story.



I think that's the reason why Iran wanted to sell a squadron of her
F-14's to Turkey back in mid 80's.

But on the other hand Iran does spend much effort on keeping her
aircraft airworthy and produce either new missiles or licensed versions
or reverse-engineered ones.

[Ian MacLure]

"orko_8" > wrote in
s.com:

[snip]

> But on the other hand Iran does spend much effort on keeping her
> aircraft airworthy and produce either new missiles or licensed versions
> or reverse-engineered ones.

None of which have been used in combat.
Kinda makes ya wonder...

IBM

[anon]

[giggle]

[FatKat]

wrote:
> Amir - Iranian F-4 pilot wrote:
> > A New Threat to The USA, Iranian F-14 Tomcats? Answer it ...
> > Since the US Navy has phased out its fleet of F-14's and AIM-54's and
> > while, neither the USAF has no aircraft for air engagement for
> > distances more than 30 miles nor the US Navy, Iran - at the present
> > time - has more numbers of powerful interceptors of tomcats having
> > strength of engagement for distances of more than 120 miles away versus
> > the USA, So that's a new big threat to the USA, because the Iranian
> > Tomcats not only are armed with AIM-54's but also can be equipped
> > with new high-efficiency weapons for more threat to USA!!!
> > So what can do the USA against this new threat?!!
>
> Are you really Tom Cooper???

I read Cooper's Iran/Iraq air war book, and I figure I'd recognize
Cooper's prose if I read it. I know he's got no shortage of non-fans
on this NG, but I doubt that many would confuse overheated posts like
Amir's with Cooper's own. While it's not impossible for TC to have
constructed a carefully consistent alter-ego for the NG (and it would
explain why he hasn't been around that much) I just don't understand
why he'd do it - he's much more effective than Amir.