Hood and sim work at night loggable as night time?

[Ron Garret]

My instructor claims that when you fly under the hood at night you can't
log it as night time, only as simulated instrument time. Is he right?
I can't find anything in the FARs to support his assertion.

What about simulator time at night? Can you log that as night time?

rg

[Ron Natalie]

Ron Garret wrote:
> My instructor claims that when you fly under the hood at night you can't
> log it as night time, only as simulated instrument time. Is he right?
> I can't find anything in the FARs to support his assertion.

He's wrong. Night / Day are independent of Instrument conditions.

>
> What about simulator time at night? Can you log that as night time?
>

That's a different issue. I suspect that if it is a true SIMULATOR
(i.e. one of those full motion jet types) you might be able to count
it. However, a "training device" that we normally use for GA training
wouldn't count for anything that "night time" logging would be useful
and they don't really give a day/night presentation. Are you going
to log it because you did your simulator work after sundown or because
the clock on the simulator was set to midnight?

[Jim Macklin]

Log day/night if you're in an airplane. Log simulator if
you're in a simulator. Log hood/simulated instrument in an
airplane.


"Ron Natalie" > wrote in message
m...
| Ron Garret wrote:
| > My instructor claims that when you fly under the hood at
night you can't
| > log it as night time, only as simulated instrument time.
Is he right?
| > I can't find anything in the FARs to support his
assertion.
|
| He's wrong. Night / Day are independent of Instrument
conditions.
|
| >
| > What about simulator time at night? Can you log that as
night time?
| >
|
| That's a different issue. I suspect that if it is a true
SIMULATOR
| (i.e. one of those full motion jet types) you might be
able to count
| it. However, a "training device" that we normally use
for GA training
| wouldn't count for anything that "night time" logging
would be useful
| and they don't really give a day/night presentation. Are
you going
| to log it because you did your simulator work after
sundown or because
| the clock on the simulator was set to midnight?

[Bob Moore]

Jim Macklin wrote
> Log day/night if you're in an airplane. Log simulator if
> you're in a simulator. Log hood/simulated instrument in an
> airplane.

Jim, did you mean to say "Log actual/simulated" in an airplane?

Bob Moore

[Jim Macklin]

probably, but it is early in the morning and I have not yet
eaten.


"Bob Moore" > wrote in message
. 122...
| Jim Macklin wrote
| > Log day/night if you're in an airplane. Log simulator
if
| > you're in a simulator. Log hood/simulated instrument in
an
| > airplane.
|
| Jim, did you mean to say "Log actual/simulated" in an
airplane?
|
| Bob Moore

[john smith]

In article >,
T o d d P a t t i s t > wrote:

> I'm inclined to agree with Ron that you can log both.

Of course you can. How could you log the night landings without logging
night flight?

[john smith]

In article >,
T o d d P a t t i s t > wrote:

> Do you land under the hood?

You do not land in IMC, either.
Either under the hood or in actual conditions, you fly a approach and
land visually.

[Stefan]

john smith schrieb:

>> Do you land under the hood?

> You do not land in IMC, either.

I did land under the hood. My instructor used to talk me down. Both of
us thought it was fun.

Stefan

[Stefan]

T o d d P a t t i s t schrieb:

>> I did land under the hood.

> Was it at night?

I didn't see it, I was under the hood.

[Jose[_1_]]

>> Was it at night?
>
> I didn't see it, I was under the hood.

Was it dark?

Jose
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[john smith]

In article >,
T o d d P a t t i s t > wrote:

> john smith > wrote:
> > T o d d P a t t i s t > wrote:
> >> Do you land under the hood?
> >
> >You do not land in IMC, either.
> >Either under the hood or in actual conditions, you fly a approach and
> >land visually.
>
> True, but I think you're missing the point. His instructor
> told him he couldn't log both night and simulated
> instrument. You seemed to think that was inconsistent with
> logging night landings. It's not. His instructor would
> have no problem with his logging the night landing since he
> wasn't under the hood when he landed. Logging night
> landings is not inconsistent with either approach as far as
> I can tell.

But isn't instrument flight independent of day or night?
Is not the logging of instrument flight, night flight and day flight
primarily for currency?

[Jose[_1_]]

> But isn't instrument flight independent of day or night?

No. Daylight helps one see the instruments. Mucking around with
flashlights, charts, and eyeglasses at night is more difficult than in
the daytime.

Jose
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[Greg B]

"Ron Garret" > wrote in message
...
> My instructor claims that when you fly under the hood at night you can't
> log it as night time, only as simulated instrument time. Is he right?
> I can't find anything in the FARs to support his assertion.

I did my primary training 8 years ago so the rules on this may have changed
since. I did my 3 hours of night flight cross country with the 10 landings
all in one session and it included 1.5 hours of hood time.
That one flight was logged as:
10 landings
3.0 hours airplane SEL
3.0 hours Cross Country
3.0 hours Night
1.5 hours Simulated Instruments
3.0 hours Dual Received
The DE didn't have a problem with it when he went through my logbook.

-Greg B.