It figures....

[Jay Honeck]

8 years ago I got into "airport advocacy" in response to the crying
need to re-pave our taxiways here in Iowa City. 8 long years of
meetings, during which the "fix" went from a relatively cheap
top-coating (or even asphalt sealing) to a complete re-do, simply
because the powers-that-be stalled for so long.

But props and paint were being ruined, and we eventually prevailed. At
long last, the great day arrived, and the pavers got to work. Within
12 hours they had completely dug up all the horrible old taxiways
around our T-hangars (there really wasn't much to it.). Within three
days everything was graded for proper drainage, and some new sewers
were installed. Paving was about to begin.

Then, our airport commission president flagged me down after a flight
with Montblack, as we were returning from the Stearman fly-in. Had I
seen the damage, yet?

Um, what damage?

It seemed that one of the paver's suppliers had backed a semi into our
hangar, smashing the back wall and ripping the back door out. There
is now a man-sized hole in the back wall, and it's going to take some
time to fix...

*sigh* It figures...

:-(
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Peter R.]

Jay Honeck > wrote:

> It seemed that one of the paver's suppliers had backed a semi into our
> hangar, smashing the back wall and ripping the back door out. There
> is now a man-sized hole in the back wall, and it's going to take some
> time to fix...

On the bright side, at least your aircraft wasn't in there. That could
have been a real problem.

--
Peter

[Jim Burns]

Dang. Sorry to hear that.
Peter's right... thankfully you nor Atlas were there.
Jim

"Peter R." > wrote in message
...
> Jay Honeck > wrote:
>
>> It seemed that one of the paver's suppliers had backed a semi into our
>> hangar, smashing the back wall and ripping the back door out. There
>> is now a man-sized hole in the back wall, and it's going to take some
>> time to fix...
>
> On the bright side, at least your aircraft wasn't in there. That could
> have been a real problem.
>
> --
> Peter

[[email protected]]

Rumor has it a off duty ATC controller was driving the semi, and
wearing flip flops.... They got stuck in the clutch pedal causing the
semi to lurch backwards. <G>..
Don't worry though, his union will claim your hangar shouldn't have
been there in the first place.. All kidding aside, I am glad Atlas is
not scratched..

Ben
www.haaspowerair.com
Peter R. wrote:
> Jay Honeck > wrote:
>
> > It seemed that one of the paver's suppliers had backed a semi into our
> > hangar, smashing the back wall and ripping the back door out. There
> > is now a man-sized hole in the back wall, and it's going to take some
> > time to fix...
>
> On the bright side, at least your aircraft wasn't in there. That could
> have been a real problem.
>
> --
> Peter

[Jay Honeck]

> On the bright side, at least your aircraft wasn't in there. That could
> have been a real problem.

Good point. Another good thing: The guy hit opposite our kitchen area,
which (in winter) is where our Mustang convertible gets parked. THAT
would have sucked, too.

And I'm glad it's not spring, or we'd be looking at a terrible bird
problem, thanks to the big hole. We spent a zillion hours filling ever
nook and cranny with expandable foam, and have kept our hangar entirely
bird-proof for four years now. I'd hate to start over.

But, still, it's ridiculous. I mean, how in hell do you back a semi
into a BUILDING? I mean, it's a BIG building, with 16 T-hangars.
It's not like it jumped out in front of the guy.

I drove trucks for five years in high school/college, (admittedly not
semi trucks), and was always amazed at the number of backing accidents.
All ya gotta do is LOOK, for criminies sake...

....mumble-grumble-stupid-idiots...

:-(
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Dave S]

Jay Honeck wrote:

>
> I drove trucks for five years in high school/college, (admittedly not
> semi trucks), and was always amazed at the number of backing accidents.
> All ya gotta do is LOOK, for criminies sake...
>

I drove and attended in the back of ambulances for nearly a decade, and
EVERY place I ever worked had a standing policy that you had a "backer"
of some kind. The only exception was patient loaded with a true
emergency (which was rare...).. it was rarely a problem for the
attendant/medic to look out the back window while backing patient loaded.

Having a backing accident without being loaded was a CLM (career
limiting maneuver) with that employer.

I guess construction contractors and their insurance companies dont have
a similar attitude. The contractor's insurance will be paying for this,
right?

Dave

[Larry Dighera]

On 10 Sep 2006 05:26:39 -0700, "Jay Honeck" > wrote
in . com>:

> There is now a man-sized hole in the back wall, and it's going to take some
>time to fix...

Well, look on the bright side. You will be receiving a reduction
monthly hangar rent due to the inability to secure your property.

[john smith]

In article om>,
"Jay Honeck" > wrote:

> Good point. Another good thing: The guy hit opposite our kitchen area,
> which (in winter) is where our Mustang convertible gets parked. THAT
> would have sucked, too.

Is the beer okay?!!!!

[Jose[_1_]]

> It seemed that one of the paver's suppliers had backed a semi into our
> hangar, smashing the back wall and ripping the back door out. There
> is now a man-sized hole in the back wall, and it's going to take some
> time to fix...
>
> *sigh* It figures...

I've learned all too well that no good deed goes unpunished.

Jose
--
There are more ways to skin a cat than there are cats.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Jim Macklin]

Was the driver from Mexico? Maybe he couldn't read the
instructions?


"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
ups.com...
|> On the bright side, at least your aircraft wasn't in
there. That could
| > have been a real problem.
|
| Good point. Another good thing: The guy hit opposite our
kitchen area,
| which (in winter) is where our Mustang convertible gets
parked. THAT
| would have sucked, too.
|
| And I'm glad it's not spring, or we'd be looking at a
terrible bird
| problem, thanks to the big hole. We spent a zillion hours
filling ever
| nook and cranny with expandable foam, and have kept our
hangar entirely
| bird-proof for four years now. I'd hate to start over.
|
| But, still, it's ridiculous. I mean, how in hell do you
back a semi
| into a BUILDING? I mean, it's a BIG building, with 16
T-hangars.
| It's not like it jumped out in front of the guy.
|
| I drove trucks for five years in high school/college,
(admittedly not
| semi trucks), and was always amazed at the number of
backing accidents.
| All ya gotta do is LOOK, for criminies sake...
|
| ...mumble-grumble-stupid-idiots...
|
| :-(
| --
| Jay Honeck
| Iowa City, IA
| Pathfinder N56993
| www.AlexisParkInn.com
| "Your Aviation Destination"
|

[Jim Burns]

We recently had a "mystery" crash at our warehouse complex, nobody knew or
reported what had happened. We've got many many "guard" posts planted next
to doorways, corners of buildings, and power poles. They are simply there
to protect the object they are placed near, something like the little posts
that you see at some shopping centers in front of the doors.

But our guard poles are not small. Most are 8" diameter steel well casing
about 8 ft tall with another 6 ft buried in the ground and anchored by a
couple yards of concrete. The pipes themselves are also filled with
concrete. About 2 weeks ago we came to work finding one of these leaning at
a very interesting angle.

It was obvious what had happened although nobody reported it. A semi driver
drove his rig around the post, cutting the corner too close to the post and
the side of his trailer impacted the post midway down the length of the
trailer. But instead of simply backing up before causing extensive damage
he continued to drive forward!

The side of the trailer actually "rode up" onto the side of the post and
left rubber tire residue on the post 5 ft above the pavement.

It took about a week to find out what had happened. The trucking company's
insurance adjuster called. It happened to be a local company. They must
have been too embarrassed to call. Damage to semi trailer over $5000....
damage to post $0... we just had to stand it back up and pour more cement
around the base.

Jim

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
ups.com...
>> On the bright side, at least your aircraft wasn't in there. That could
>> have been a real problem.
>
> Good point. Another good thing: The guy hit opposite our kitchen area,
> which (in winter) is where our Mustang convertible gets parked. THAT
> would have sucked, too.
>
> And I'm glad it's not spring, or we'd be looking at a terrible bird
> problem, thanks to the big hole. We spent a zillion hours filling ever
> nook and cranny with expandable foam, and have kept our hangar entirely
> bird-proof for four years now. I'd hate to start over.
>
> But, still, it's ridiculous. I mean, how in hell do you back a semi
> into a BUILDING? I mean, it's a BIG building, with 16 T-hangars.
> It's not like it jumped out in front of the guy.
>
> I drove trucks for five years in high school/college, (admittedly not
> semi trucks), and was always amazed at the number of backing accidents.
> All ya gotta do is LOOK, for criminies sake...
>
> ...mumble-grumble-stupid-idiots...
>
> :-(
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

[Jay Honeck]

> > Good point. Another good thing: The guy hit opposite our kitchen area,
> > which (in winter) is where our Mustang convertible gets parked. THAT
> > would have sucked, too.
>
> Is the beer okay?!!!!

Thank God, yes...

;-)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[John Gaquin]

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
>
> But, still, it's ridiculous. I mean, how in hell do you back a semi
> into a BUILDING? I mean, it's a BIG building, with 16 T-hangars.
> It's not like it jumped out in front of the guy.
>
> I drove trucks for five years in high school/college, (admittedly not
> semi trucks), and was always amazed at the number of backing accidents.
> All ya gotta do is LOOK, for criminies sake...

Looking is one thing. Understanding and reacting to what you're seeing is
quite another. If you don't have the depth perception and judgement to know
what you're seeing, all the looking in the world won't prevent accidents of
this type.

You can see the same thing and it's opposite every day in shopping center
parking lots. A person will be making a sharp turn in the process of
leaving a parking space: head canted upward in the strange belief that
this somehow enhances the view, slowly ceeping through the turn while
carefully looking, hoping for no contact, while in fact there is a 5 or 6
foot gap between the subject and object vehicles. Most people have no idea
where their corners are, and I suspect that includes a large number of
locally hired truck drivers.

[Bob Noel]

In article om>,
"Jay Honeck" > wrote:

> But, still, it's ridiculous. I mean, how in hell do you back a semi
> into a BUILDING?

Well, he probably had to swerve several times...

--
Bob Noel
Looking for a sig the
lawyers will hate

[Stubby]

Bob Noel wrote:
> In article om>,
> "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
>
>> But, still, it's ridiculous. I mean, how in hell do you back a semi
>> into a BUILDING?
>
> Well, he probably had to swerve several times...
>
Years ago an acquaintance was studying to become a mechanical engineer
and needed a thesis topic. He decided to look into why the standard
design for a loading dock was something like "do the design, compute all
the loads for the largest shipments, the weight of forklifts, etc AND
THEN MULTIPLY ALL THE SUPPORT SIZES BY 4." This was uniformly accepted
as safe practice.

It was true. Anything less would crumble within a short time. The
answer was that trucks would back into the docks.

[Jim Burns]

You should see the spots in our asphalt where drivers, once backed up to the
dock, will continue to push the accelerator rather than floating the clutch
and applying the brakes... 3-4" deep gouges in the asphalt from the drive
tires spinning. Then there are those that actual back into the dock and
bounce off... unreal.

Years of experience around guys like these prove how inexpensive
overbuilding and using lots of steel and concrete is compared to repairing
buildings.

Jim

"Stubby" > wrote in message
. ..
> Bob Noel wrote:
>> In article om>,
>> "Jay Honeck" > wrote:
>>
>>> But, still, it's ridiculous. I mean, how in hell do you back a semi
>>> into a BUILDING?
>>
>> Well, he probably had to swerve several times...
>>
> Years ago an acquaintance was studying to become a mechanical engineer and
> needed a thesis topic. He decided to look into why the standard design
> for a loading dock was something like "do the design, compute all the
> loads for the largest shipments, the weight of forklifts, etc AND THEN
> MULTIPLY ALL THE SUPPORT SIZES BY 4." This was uniformly accepted as safe
> practice.
>
> It was true. Anything less would crumble within a short time. The
> answer was that trucks would back into the docks.

[Jay Honeck]

> Was the driver from Mexico? Maybe he couldn't read the
> instructions?

It's funny that you ask, but the paver's work crew appeared to be
all-Mexican. (Although this was apparently NOT the paver's truck
driver that hit the hangar.)

And, yes, their insurance will pay to have the hangar repaired.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Jay Honeck]

> Years of experience around guys like these prove how inexpensive
> overbuilding and using lots of steel and concrete is compared to repairing
> buildings.

Yeah, my loading dock at our distribution center in Kenosha, WI had to
withstand the impact of Teamster union drivers ramming the Chicago
Tribune semis into it, night after night. One time they actually moved
the back wall of the building off its foundation, having fully used up
the shock absorbers. Must've been going 20 mph to do that.

They were idiots, but they weren't "accidentally" hitting the building,
like this guy apparently was. The Teamsters did it for sport.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Stubby]

Jay Honeck wrote:
>...
> They were idiots, but they weren't "accidentally" hitting the building,
> like this guy apparently was. The Teamsters did it for sport.

Do any teamsters have pilot licenses?

[Jay Honeck]

> > They were idiots, but they weren't "accidentally" hitting the building,
> > like this guy apparently was. The Teamsters did it for sport.
>
> Do any teamsters have pilot licenses?

Well, given what they were being paid, it would certainly not have been
beyond their means. (Of course, my data points are a bit dated now. My
experience working with Teamsters ran from 1988 to 1994.)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[[email protected]]

Stubby wrote:
> Jay Honeck wrote:
> >...
> > They were idiots, but they weren't "accidentally" hitting the building,
> > like this guy apparently was. The Teamsters did it for sport.
>
> Do any teamsters have pilot licenses?




A few did but,,,,, gravity soon weeded out those idiots.. <G>

[BTIZ]

at least your airplane was not inside the hanger.. and the paving company
should have insurance for that.. the airport commission should have demanded
a bond from the insurance company for damage before the contract was started

BT

"Jay Honeck" > wrote in message
oups.com...
>8 years ago I got into "airport advocacy" in response to the crying
> need to re-pave our taxiways here in Iowa City. 8 long years of
> meetings, during which the "fix" went from a relatively cheap
> top-coating (or even asphalt sealing) to a complete re-do, simply
> because the powers-that-be stalled for so long.
>
> But props and paint were being ruined, and we eventually prevailed. At
> long last, the great day arrived, and the pavers got to work. Within
> 12 hours they had completely dug up all the horrible old taxiways
> around our T-hangars (there really wasn't much to it.). Within three
> days everything was graded for proper drainage, and some new sewers
> were installed. Paving was about to begin.
>
> Then, our airport commission president flagged me down after a flight
> with Montblack, as we were returning from the Stearman fly-in. Had I
> seen the damage, yet?
>
> Um, what damage?
>
> It seemed that one of the paver's suppliers had backed a semi into our
> hangar, smashing the back wall and ripping the back door out. There
> is now a man-sized hole in the back wall, and it's going to take some
> time to fix...
>
> *sigh* It figures...
>
> :-(
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>

[Matt Whiting]

Stubby wrote:
>
>
> Jay Honeck wrote:
>
>> ...
>> They were idiots, but they weren't "accidentally" hitting the building,
>> like this guy apparently was. The Teamsters did it for sport.
>
>
> Do any teamsters have pilot licenses?

Only as sport pilots according to Jay. :-)

Matt

[John Gaquin]

"Stubby" > wrote in message
>
> Do any teamsters have pilot licenses?

I believe IBT represents UPS pilots, plus a few of the nonsked operators. I
think Fedex voted them out a few years ago. I don't know about Airborne or
DHL.

[john smith]

> Do any teamsters have pilot licenses?

NetJet pilots are Teamsters.

[Jack Allison[_1_]]

Jay Honeck wrote:

> Then, our airport commission president flagged me down after a flight
> with Montblack, as we were returning from the Stearman fly-in. Had I
> seen the damage, yet?
>
> Um, what damage?

Once again Jay, what should have been a relatively benign activity turns
into interesting r.a.p fodder. How do you do it man? You're like a
magnet for stuff like this. Hmmm, a tornado almost hits the hotel...a
semi backs into your hangar...I think I'll stand farther away from you
the next time I see spinning propellers in the vicinity. You're not
planning any trips to the left coast soon, right? If so,
we...um...temporarily moved somewhere...but I hear Steve and Stephanie
have plenty of room! :-)

Glad that Atlas/Mustang/Family/other assorted hangar goodies (not
necessarily in that order) were not harmed.

> There
> is now a man-sized hole in the back wall, and it's going to take some
> time to fix...
At least it's not "airplane size". That would have meant you now have a
shade hangar.

--
Jack Allison
PP-ASEL-Instrument Airplane

"To become a Jedi knight, you must master a single force. To become
a private pilot you must strive to master four of them"
- Rod Machado

(Remove the obvious from address to reply via e-mail)

[Jose[_1_]]

> If you don't have the depth perception and judgement to know
> what you're seeing, all the looking in the world won't prevent accidents of
> this type.

Is somebody going to tell me now that a deer was driving?

Jose
--
There are more ways to skin a cat than there are cats.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Montblack[_1_]]

("Jose" wrote)
> Is somebody going to tell me now that a deer was driving?


We thought that part was obvious.

....since the hangar wasn't moving.


Montblack

[Montblack[_1_]]

("Jay Honeck" wrote)
>> Was the driver from Mexico? Maybe he couldn't read the instructions?

> It's funny that you ask, but the paver's work crew appeared to be
> all-Mexican. (Although this was apparently NOT the paver's truck driver
> that hit the hangar.)


Paver's dump trucks had very clean, all white boxes - he said they're clean
because, 'he wants to keep up his company's image'


Montblack
"Captain, the irony meter can't take much more of this!"

[John Gaquin]

"Jose" > wrote in message news:J95Ng.322
>
> Is somebody going to tell me now that a deer was driving?

What relevance does that comment have? Could you clarify?

[Jose[_1_]]

>>Is somebody going to tell me now that a deer was driving?
> What relevance does that comment have? Could you clarify?

An attempt at humor. There's another thread which started talking about
how deer don't have depth perception and the ability to judge speeds
above 40 mph and that's why they get hit by cars - an oncoming car looks
like it's standing still to this kind of deer. (well, ok the thread
itself didn't talk, it was the participants, and they didn't talk
either, they typed. Well, maybe they talked but that's besides the point...)

So, here's a case of lack of depth perception leading to a crash...

Jose
--
There are more ways to skin a cat than there are cats.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Ross Richardson[_2_]]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> 8 years ago I got into "airport advocacy" in response to the crying
> need to re-pave our taxiways here in Iowa City. 8 long years of
> meetings, during which the "fix" went from a relatively cheap
> top-coating (or even asphalt sealing) to a complete re-do, simply
> because the powers-that-be stalled for so long.
>
> But props and paint were being ruined, and we eventually prevailed. At
> long last, the great day arrived, and the pavers got to work. Within
> 12 hours they had completely dug up all the horrible old taxiways
> around our T-hangars (there really wasn't much to it.). Within three
> days everything was graded for proper drainage, and some new sewers
> were installed. Paving was about to begin.
>
> Then, our airport commission president flagged me down after a flight
> with Montblack, as we were returning from the Stearman fly-in. Had I
> seen the damage, yet?
>
> Um, what damage?
>
> It seemed that one of the paver's suppliers had backed a semi into our
> hangar, smashing the back wall and ripping the back door out. There
> is now a man-sized hole in the back wall, and it's going to take some
> time to fix...
>
> *sigh* It figures...
>
> :-(
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"
>
The contractor should have the insurance to pay for the repair and not
be airport money.

--

Regards, Ross
C-172F 180HP
KSWI

[John Gaquin]

"Jose" > wrote in message news:sTeNg.169
>
> An attempt at humor. .....

Hmmmmm. OK. Here's another: Don't quit your day job. :-)

[[email protected]]

Jay Honeck wrote:
y.
>
> I drove trucks for five years in high school/college, (admittedly not
> semi trucks), and was always amazed at the number of backing accidents.
> All ya gotta do is LOOK, for criminies sake...
>
Maybe the driver needs one of these to avoid hitting buildings:
http://www.preco.com/PreView/index.htm

[john smith]

In article >,
"John Gaquin" > wrote:

> "Jose" > wrote in message news:sTeNg.169
> >
> > An attempt at humor. .....
>
> Hmmmmm. OK. Here's another: Don't quit your day job. :-)

It's okay, Jose. I understood the context as soon as I saw it. I thought
it was an excellent jab. Others must learn to keep up with all the
threads.

[Montblack[_1_]]

(JS, to JG, through J, in this JH thread)

> It's okay, Jose. I understood the context as soon as I saw it. I thought
> it was an excellent jab. Others must learn to keep up with all the
> threads.


I thought JG's follow up line was ...funny.


MB
"...Jolly Joker"

[[email protected]]

Jay Honeck wrote:
> 8 years ago I got into "airport advocacy" in response to the crying
> need to re-pave our taxiways here in Iowa City. 8 long years of
> meetings, during which the "fix" went from a relatively cheap
> top-coating (or even asphalt sealing) to a complete re-do, simply
> because the powers-that-be stalled for so long.
>
> But props and paint were being ruined, and we eventually prevailed. At
> long last, the great day arrived, and the pavers got to work. Within
> 12 hours they had completely dug up all the horrible old taxiways
> around our T-hangars (there really wasn't much to it.). Within three
> days everything was graded for proper drainage, and some new sewers
> were installed. Paving was about to begin.
>
> Then, our airport commission president flagged me down after a flight
> with Montblack, as we were returning from the Stearman fly-in. Had I
> seen the damage, yet?
>
> Um, what damage?
>
> It seemed that one of the paver's suppliers had backed a semi into our
> hangar, smashing the back wall and ripping the back door out. There
> is now a man-sized hole in the back wall, and it's going to take some
> time to fix...
>
> *sigh* It figures...
>
> :-(
> --
> Jay Honeck
> Iowa City, IA
> Pathfinder N56993
> www.AlexisParkInn.com
> "Your Aviation Destination"



Jay,

Word on the street is this event was a "contract" hit.. In retaliation
for you stating your opinion about unions. All kidding aside, I hope,
has the airport board done anything to fix the hole?. Can they repair
the area or will it take a complete side replacement?

[Jay Honeck]

> All kidding aside, I hope,
> has the airport board done anything to fix the hole?.

No

> Can they repair
> the area or will it take a complete side replacement?

I don't know. I think it's going to take some major work, since there
is an access door in the middle of the wrecked area.

Luckily, it's not the access door we use. (Our hangar is the only one
in our building with two doors.)
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"