emergency landing in downtown Montreal ends well

[Marc CYBW]

Check it out.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060910.wmontreal10/BNStory/National/home

-- Marc

[Emily[_1_]]

Marc CYBW wrote:
> Check it out.
>
> http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060910.wmontreal10/BNStory/National/home
>
> -- Marc

Interesting....seems we had a plane make an emergency landing on the
interstate today...although not downtown.

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, Emily > said:
>Marc CYBW wrote:
>> Check it out.
>http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060910.wmontreal10/BNStory/National/home
>
>Interesting....seems we had a plane make an emergency landing on the
>interstate today...although not downtown.

And they didn't have to deal with Quebec drivers either. I bet as the guy
in Montreal was landing he was overtaken by 15 cars who then cut him off
as they whipped over from the far right lane to the exit on the far left
or from the far left to an exit on the far right, and they all flipped him
off.

(Yes, they have exits on the left on Autoroute 40 - it fits with the
general crazyness of Montreal drivers.)

--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
If you don't pay for criminally bad software through the nose, you will
never realize how much you are being ripped off!
-- Pim van Riezen

[Emily[_1_]]

Paul Tomblin wrote:
> In a previous article, Emily > said:
>> Marc CYBW wrote:
>>> Check it out.
>> http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20060910.wmontreal10/BNStory/National/home
>>
>> Interesting....seems we had a plane make an emergency landing on the
>> interstate today...although not downtown.
>
> And they didn't have to deal with Quebec drivers either. I bet as the guy
> in Montreal was landing he was overtaken by 15 cars who then cut him off
> as they whipped over from the far right lane to the exit on the far left
> or from the far left to an exit on the far right, and they all flipped him
> off.

Clearly you've never been to Texas. :-)
Actually, I worked with a guy for a long time who lived in Montreal for
five years and drove maybe four times. He was just too scared.

> (Yes, they have exits on the left on Autoroute 40 - it fits with the
> general crazyness of Montreal drivers.)

I LOVE watching out of towners deal with left exits!!!

[Paul Tomblin]

In a previous article, Emily > said:
>Paul Tomblin wrote:
>> And they didn't have to deal with Quebec drivers either. I bet as the guy
>> in Montreal was landing he was overtaken by 15 cars who then cut him off
>> as they whipped over from the far right lane to the exit on the far left
>> or from the far left to an exit on the far right, and they all flipped him
>> off.
>
>Clearly you've never been to Texas. :-)
>Actually, I worked with a guy for a long time who lived in Montreal for
>five years and drove maybe four times. He was just too scared.

I've driven in Montreal and Dallas. Except for the fact that the Dallas
drivers were probably armed, they didn't worry me as much as the Montreal
drivers. The only place that scared me more than Montreal was in Madrid,
and there I was only a passenger.

--
Paul Tomblin > http://xcski.com/blogs/pt/
Do you have a point, or are you saving it for a special occasion?
-- David P. Murphy

[john smith]

In article >,
Emily > wrote:

> Clearly you've never been to Texas. :-)

When my wife lived in Dallas and worked in Plano, it was amusing driving
her to work and watching the pickups depart the four-lane seemingly
where ever they desired to exit, and join the adjacent access road.

[john smith]

In article >,
(Paul Tomblin) wrote:

> I've driven in Montreal and Dallas. Except for the fact that the Dallas
> drivers were probably armed, they didn't worry me as much as the Montreal
> drivers. The only place that scared me more than Montreal was in Madrid,
> and there I was only a passenger.

Puerto Rico... Rule of the First Bumper: If my bumper is ahead of yours,
I can cut in front of you.

[Emily[_1_]]

john smith wrote:
> In article >,
> (Paul Tomblin) wrote:
>
>> I've driven in Montreal and Dallas. Except for the fact that the Dallas
>> drivers were probably armed, they didn't worry me as much as the Montreal
>> drivers. The only place that scared me more than Montreal was in Madrid,
>> and there I was only a passenger.
>
> Puerto Rico... Rule of the First Bumper: If my bumper is ahead of yours,
> I can cut in front of you.

That's what I heard about Rome. I told my boss last month when he
threatened to send me that I might drive fast, but not that bad.

[Jose[_1_]]

>> If my bumper is ahead of yours, I can cut in front of you.
> That's what I heard about Rome.

It's not bad at all. The trick to it is to know that that's what they
do, and more to the point, that's what they expect =you= to do. They
are ready and expect you to be ready.

Jose
--
There are more ways to skin a cat than there are cats.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Dave[_5_]]

The only place that scared me more than Montreal was in Madrid,
> and there I was only a passenger.

I've driven in Montreal and Madrid and a whole lot of other places. I'd
vote for Paris, France as the worst I've experienced. Didn't drive
there, but the wildest ride I've ever had was in a taxi in Taipei.

David Johnson

[Emily[_1_]]

Dave wrote:
> The only place that scared me more than Montreal was in Madrid,
>> and there I was only a passenger.
>
> I've driven in Montreal and Madrid and a whole lot of other places. I'd
> vote for Paris, France as the worst I've experienced. Didn't drive
> there, but the wildest ride I've ever had was in a taxi in Taipei.

Don't tell me that - I'm going there next month.

(I am a horrible passenger, planes or cars)

[Andrey Serbinenko]

I've driven quite a bit in the past few years: Montreal didn't
strike me as something much out of the ordinary. Paris was not
too bad either except for perhaps place de la Concorde, which can be
stressful. Germany did impress me with a lot of high-speed
recklessness on major highways -- more than I've seen anywhere
else. But the worst was Rome and the stretch of A1 between Florence
and Bologna.

Andrey


Dave wrote:
> The only place that scared me more than Montreal was in Madrid,
>> and there I was only a passenger.
>
> I've driven in Montreal and Madrid and a whole lot of other places. I'd
> vote for Paris, France as the worst I've experienced. Didn't drive
> there, but the wildest ride I've ever had was in a taxi in Taipei.
>
> David Johnson
>

[Stefan]

Jose schrieb:

>> That's what I heard about Rome.

> It's not bad at all. The trick to it is to know that that's what they
> do, and more to the point, that's what they expect =you= to do. They
> are ready and expect you to be ready.

It only becomes really dangerous when an American overtakes on the right
lane of a highway. Because nobody expects it, nobody is looking there.

Or, in other words: It all boils down to understand how the system works
and adopt to it.

Stefan

[Neil Gould]

Recently, Emily > posted:

> john smith wrote:
>> In article >,
>> (Paul Tomblin) wrote:
>>
>>> I've driven in Montreal and Dallas. Except for the fact that the
>>> Dallas drivers were probably armed, they didn't worry me as much as
>>> the Montreal drivers. The only place that scared me more than
>>> Montreal was in Madrid, and there I was only a passenger.
>>
>> Puerto Rico... Rule of the First Bumper: If my bumper is ahead of
>> yours, I can cut in front of you.
>
> That's what I heard about Rome. I told my boss last month when he
> threatened to send me that I might drive fast, but not that bad.
>
Rome wasn't that bad, the other drivers are predictable but the Police
have some odd notions of how violations should be handled.

The worst place that I've driven was Torre del Greco, a small Italian
town. It's on every map of Italy that I've seen, regardless of how small
the map (it's near Pompei & Naples). I think it's a subtle warning. ;-)

Second worst is Boston & vicinity. In other places drivers will do just
about anything imaginable, but in Boston, you have to watch out for those
things you never imagined anyone would do. Every time I've been there I've
seen someone driving the wrong way on the freeway, but that isn't the
worst I've seen there.

Neil

[Emily[_1_]]

Stefan wrote:
> Jose schrieb:
>
>>> That's what I heard about Rome.
>
>> It's not bad at all. The trick to it is to know that that's what they
>> do, and more to the point, that's what they expect =you= to do. They
>> are ready and expect you to be ready.
>
> It only becomes really dangerous when an American overtakes on the right
> lane of a highway. Because nobody expects it, nobody is looking there.

Hey, you aren't supposed to do that here, and I think it's a stupid
rule. If you're going to slow, I'm going to pass you, I don't care in
which lane I have to do it in.

[Jay Beckman]

"Emily" > wrote in message
. ..
> Stefan wrote:
>> Jose schrieb:
>>
>>>> That's what I heard about Rome.
>>
>>> It's not bad at all. The trick to it is to know that that's what they
>>> do, and more to the point, that's what they expect =you= to do. They
>>> are ready and expect you to be ready.
>>
>> It only becomes really dangerous when an American overtakes on the right
>> lane of a highway. Because nobody expects it, nobody is looking there.
>
> Hey, you aren't supposed to do that here, and I think it's a stupid rule.
> If you're going to slow, I'm going to pass you, I don't care in which lane
> I have to do it in.

I'll remember you said that after they pull you out of the ditch. <evil g>

There is nothing I hate more than someone who won't even momentarilly lift
to give slower traffic a chace to move to the right. Instead, they run up
on your ass and just cut hard right to pass. If I start to move over and
someone pulls that ****, if their front left hasn't passed my right rear, I
finish the move to the right.

Unlike most of humanity, I actually know how to use my mirrors, I check them
often and I will get out of the way of faster traffic (unless it will blow
my momentum for passing someone else who is even slower...)

Jay B

[Jon Woellhaf]

Neil Gould wrote about really bad drivers,
> ... Every time I've been [to Boston] I've
> seen someone driving the wrong way on the freeway, but that isn't the
> worst I've seen there.

What IS the worst you've seen there?!

[John Clear]

In article >,
Jon Woellhaf > wrote:
>Neil Gould wrote about really bad drivers,
>> ... Every time I've been [to Boston] I've
>> seen someone driving the wrong way on the freeway, but that isn't the
>> worst I've seen there.
>
>What IS the worst you've seen there?!
>

As Dave Barry said in a column a long time ago, "In Boston, the
drivers refuse to obey even the laws of physics."

I learned to drive in and around NYC. I've driven coast to coast
and in 46 of the 50 states. Drivers everywhere have their own
local stupid driving tricks. Once you figure out the local tricks,
you can predict what sort of stupid things the cars around you are
likely to do. Drivers in Boston are so unpredictable that I never
got comfortable driving there.

Driving rules in NYC are easy. It just comes down to right of
mass, being willing to drive within millimeters of another car,
and knowing when to flinch. And taxi cabs always win.

John
--
John Clear - http://www.clear-prop.org/

[Matt Barrow]

"Jay Beckman" > wrote in message
news:Q%BNg.19684$RD.7121@fed1read08...
>
>
> I'll remember you said that after they pull you out of the ditch. <evil g>
>
> There is nothing I hate more than someone who won't even momentarilly lift
> to give slower traffic a chace to move to the right.

And some (most...like 95%) won't move right unless forced over!!!

> Instead, they run up on your ass and just cut hard right to pass. If I
> start to move over and someone pulls that ****, if their front left hasn't
> passed my right rear, I finish the move to the right.

What were you doing in the left lane in the first place? <silly g>

>
> Unlike most of humanity, I actually know how to use my mirrors, I check
> them often and I will get out of the way of faster traffic (unless it will
> blow my momentum for passing someone else who is even slower...)

Most drivers use mirrors to check their hair :~(

It used to be that having someone pass you on the right meant YOU got a
ticket (i.e., you're not supposed to use the left lanes for trolling, only
for cruising.

[Matt Barrow]

"John Clear" > wrote in message
...
> In article >,
> Jon Woellhaf > wrote:
>>Neil Gould wrote about really bad drivers,
>>> ... Every time I've been [to Boston] I've
>>> seen someone driving the wrong way on the freeway, but that isn't the
>>> worst I've seen there.
>>
>>What IS the worst you've seen there?!
>>
>
> As Dave Barry said in a column a long time ago, "In Boston, the
> drivers refuse to obey even the laws of physics."
>
> I learned to drive in and around NYC. I've driven coast to coast
> and in 46 of the 50 states. Drivers everywhere have their own
> local stupid driving tricks. Once you figure out the local tricks,
> you can predict what sort of stupid things the cars around you are
> likely to do. Drivers in Boston are so unpredictable that I never
> got comfortable driving there.

In Ohio (Columbus), they stop about 40 feet behind the car in front of them
so as to not slide into the back of that car during winter weather. Of
course, they still do this is in June, during dry weather.

[Emily[_1_]]

Jay Beckman wrote:
> "Emily" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> Stefan wrote:
>>> Jose schrieb:
>>>
>>>>> That's what I heard about Rome.
>>>> It's not bad at all. The trick to it is to know that that's what they
>>>> do, and more to the point, that's what they expect =you= to do. They
>>>> are ready and expect you to be ready.
>>> It only becomes really dangerous when an American overtakes on the right
>>> lane of a highway. Because nobody expects it, nobody is looking there.
>> Hey, you aren't supposed to do that here, and I think it's a stupid rule.
>> If you're going to slow, I'm going to pass you, I don't care in which lane
>> I have to do it in.
>
> I'll remember you said that after they pull you out of the ditch. <evil g>
>
> There is nothing I hate more than someone who won't even momentarilly lift
> to give slower traffic a chace to move to the right.

Problem around here, and were I used to live, is that the slower traffic
feels they have a God-given right to enforce the speed limit.

[Peter Duniho]

"Emily" > wrote in message
. ..
> Problem around here, and were I used to live, is that the slower traffic
> feels they have a God-given right to enforce the speed limit.

Contrasted with the faster traffic that feels they have a God-given right to
ignore the speed limit?

I'm not saying either is good behavior, but it hardly seems like the
speeders have a leg to stand on when it comes to complaining about traffic
violations.

[Allen[_1_]]

"Emily" > wrote in message
. ..
> Jay Beckman wrote:
>> "Emily" > wrote in message
>> . ..
>>> Stefan wrote:
>>>> Jose schrieb:
>>>>
>>>>>> That's what I heard about Rome.
>>>>> It's not bad at all. The trick to it is to know that that's what they
>>>>> do, and more to the point, that's what they expect =you= to do. They
>>>>> are ready and expect you to be ready.
>>>> It only becomes really dangerous when an American overtakes on the
>>>> right lane of a highway. Because nobody expects it, nobody is looking
>>>> there.
>>> Hey, you aren't supposed to do that here, and I think it's a stupid
>>> rule. If you're going to slow, I'm going to pass you, I don't care in
>>> which lane I have to do it in.
>>
>> I'll remember you said that after they pull you out of the ditch. <evil
>> g>
>>
>> There is nothing I hate more than someone who won't even momentarilly
>> lift to give slower traffic a chace to move to the right.
>
> Problem around here, and were I used to live, is that the slower traffic
> feels they have a God-given right to enforce the speed limit.

You don't obey the speed limit :) I was in Dallas Saturday, driving wasn't
too bad. I lived there for 13 years after moving from a small town in
New Mexico. Talk about being lost for the first 6 months :(

Allen

[Jay Beckman]

"Matt Barrow" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Jay Beckman" > wrote in message
> news:Q%BNg.19684$RD.7121@fed1read08...
>>
>>
>> I'll remember you said that after they pull you out of the ditch. <evil
>> g>
>>
>> There is nothing I hate more than someone who won't even momentarilly
>> lift to give slower traffic a chace to move to the right.
>
> And some (most...like 95%) won't move right unless forced over!!!
>
>> Instead, they run up on your ass and just cut hard right to pass. If I
>> start to move over and someone pulls that ****, if their front left
>> hasn't passed my right rear, I finish the move to the right.
>
> What were you doing in the left lane in the first place? <silly g>

Well, I'm already going 10 over and passing someone else. I'm pretty good
at doing the mental geometry to determine if I can get past the guy doing 5
under before the guy behind me catches up going 10 over my speed. Driving
up to northern AZ, it's a pretty common traffic chess match to have to look
a mile or two ahead to see if there is a truck or motorcoach you'll need to
get past before any faster traffic behind catches up.

Some people are really bad at it and will pull into the left lane to pass
someone at only 2 or 3 miles/hr faster without looking to see that someone
is coming up beind them at a much faster pace. It's truly frustrating to
give up 25mph going up a 6% grade just so the Hyundai can get (slowly)
around the Winebago when I could have passed them both easily if only the
Hyundai had looked in the mirror first.

>>
>> Unlike most of humanity, I actually know how to use my mirrors, I check
>> them often and I will get out of the way of faster traffic (unless it
>> will blow my momentum for passing someone else who is even slower...)
>
> Most drivers use mirrors to check their hair :~(

Whal clippers and a #2 guide = not an issue with me.

> It used to be that having someone pass you on the right meant YOU got a
> ticket (i.e., you're not supposed to use the left lanes for trolling, only
> for cruising.

Like I said, I don't cruise in the left lane, I pass in the left lane. It's
the idiots who won't even give you a split second to get *back* into the
right lane before they have to try blow around you on the right. They don't
get an even break in my world.

Jay B

[Peter R.]

Jay Beckman > wrote:

<snip>
> Like I said, I don't cruise in the left lane, I pass in the left lane. It's
> the idiots who won't even give you a split second to get *back* into the
> right lane before they have to try blow around you on the right. They don't
> get an even break in my world.

Ain't that the truth. A few weeks ago I was traveling the NY State Thruway
with a truck-load of family and luggage, actually held up for a moment
thanks to several cars in front of me in the left lane. Suddenly this
incredibly road-raged man carrying his wife and young children shoots by me
in the right lane and cuts back into the left lane in front of me, at what
seemed to be a foot or less from my bumper as if to send a message. Those
of us in the left lane had been going about 75 mph or so, so I would have
put his speed at about 85-90 mph.

Scared the crap right out of me and the thought of him catching my bumper
as he cut back into the left lane sent shudders down my spine. In
retrospect, though, any contact probably would have resulted in his smaller
SUV rolling over, but the thought that there are individuals like him who
would put their young children and other drivers in that kind of danger
just boggles my mind.

--
Peter

[Jay Honeck]

> In Ohio (Columbus), they stop about 40 feet behind the car in front of them
> so as to not slide into the back of that car during winter weather. Of
> course, they still do this is in June, during dry weather.

That's better than the other way 'round.

Here in the Midwest, the first snowstorm of the year always brings a
rash of fender-benders, as folks have to re-learn how to drive in icy
conditions.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

[Emily[_1_]]

Allen wrote:
> "Emily" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> Jay Beckman wrote:
>>> "Emily" > wrote in message
>>> . ..
>>>> Stefan wrote:
>>>>> Jose schrieb:
>>>>>
>>>>>>> That's what I heard about Rome.
>>>>>> It's not bad at all. The trick to it is to know that that's what they
>>>>>> do, and more to the point, that's what they expect =you= to do. They
>>>>>> are ready and expect you to be ready.
>>>>> It only becomes really dangerous when an American overtakes on the
>>>>> right lane of a highway. Because nobody expects it, nobody is looking
>>>>> there.
>>>> Hey, you aren't supposed to do that here, and I think it's a stupid
>>>> rule. If you're going to slow, I'm going to pass you, I don't care in
>>>> which lane I have to do it in.
>>> I'll remember you said that after they pull you out of the ditch. <evil
>>> g>
>>>
>>> There is nothing I hate more than someone who won't even momentarilly
>>> lift to give slower traffic a chace to move to the right.
>> Problem around here, and were I used to live, is that the slower traffic
>> feels they have a God-given right to enforce the speed limit.
>
> You don't obey the speed limit :)

Never said I did. But it's the police job to enforce it, not the jerk
in the left lane doing 10 under.

>

[Emily[_1_]]

Jay Beckman wrote:
<snip>
>
> Like I said, I don't cruise in the left lane, I pass in the left lane.

Yep, I wish they'd make it illegal here to drive in the left lane, like
they did in Indiana.

[Matt Whiting]

Emily wrote:

> Jay Beckman wrote:
> <snip>
>
>>
>> Like I said, I don't cruise in the left lane, I pass in the left lane.
>
>
> Yep, I wish they'd make it illegal here to drive in the left lane, like
> they did in Indiana.

It is illegal in PA also other than to pass as mentioned above. I
thought most states had a law like this, but maybe not. I don't think
I've ever seen it enforced in PA, but it is on the books.


Matt

[Jay Beckman]

"Emily" > wrote in message
...
> Jay Beckman wrote:
> <snip>
>>
>> Like I said, I don't cruise in the left lane, I pass in the left lane.
>
> Yep, I wish they'd make it illegal here to drive in the left lane, like
> they did in Indiana.

You'd really get frustrated in AZ as we don't even have a "no trucks in the
left lane" law.

I swear that traffic in general and rush hour in particular here would move
50% better if semis had to stay out of the left two lanes between 6am-9am
and again from 3pm-6pm.

Of course, if they'd just build the damn I-10 bypass around the south end of
town, it would take probably 75% of the trucks out of the mix to begin with.

(Sorry....waaaaaaay OT ... my bad.)

Jay B

[Peter Duniho]

"Emily" > wrote in message
...
>> You don't obey the speed limit :)
>
> Never said I did. But it's the police job to enforce it, not the jerk in
> the left lane doing 10 under.

Who says the guy is trying to enforce the speed limit? Did you ask him?

It's not YOUR job to enforce the "stay right except to pass" law either.

While you are sitting there fuming about him not staying right, he may well
be sitting there fuming about you not being able to keep your speed under
control. What makes your anger more righteous than his?

[Grumman-581[_3_]]

"Emily" > wrote in message
. ..
> Hey, you aren't supposed to do that here, and I think it's a stupid
> rule. If you're going to slow, I'm going to pass you, I don't care in
> which lane I have to do it in.

Or which strip of grass through the median, dammit...

[Grumman-581[_3_]]

"Emily" > wrote in message
...
> Yep, I wish they'd make it illegal here to drive in the left lane, like
> they did in Indiana.

The thing is, here in Texas, at least once you get out of the major metro
areas and on 2-lane roads, people will actually pull over onto the emergency
lane to let you pass them when they see you coming up behind them... Then
again, some of our farm-to-market roads are probably better than other
states' major highways...

[Grumman-581[_3_]]

"Allen" > wrote in message
.. .
> Talk about being lost for the first 6 months :(

So, were you stuck on the LBJ for that 6 months or just on Beltline?

[Emily[_1_]]

Grumman-581 wrote:
> "Emily" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> Hey, you aren't supposed to do that here, and I think it's a stupid
>> rule. If you're going to slow, I'm going to pass you, I don't care in
>> which lane I have to do it in.
>
> Or which strip of grass through the median, dammit...
>
>
Guilty of doing that once, in Chicago....although technically it was a
grass shoulder on the interstate.

[Allen[_1_]]

"Grumman-581" > wrote in message
...
> "Allen" > wrote in message
> .. .
> > Talk about being lost for the first 6 months :(
>
> So, were you stuck on the LBJ for that 6 months or just on Beltline?
>

I'm not quite sure, LBJ has about ten different names.

[Emily[_1_]]

Allen wrote:
> "Grumman-581" > wrote in message
> ...
>> "Allen" > wrote in message
>> .. .
>>> Talk about being lost for the first 6 months :(
>> So, were you stuck on the LBJ for that 6 months or just on Beltline?
>>
>
> I'm not quite sure, LBJ has about ten different names.
>
>
Just two, last I checked.

[Grumman-581[_3_]]

"Emily" > wrote in message
. ..
> Just two, last I checked.

I was only aware of calling it I-635 or the LBJ...

[Emily[_1_]]

Grumman-581 wrote:
> "Emily" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> Just two, last I checked.
>
> I was only aware of calling it I-635 or the LBJ...

You can count! Those are the two I was referring to.

[Jose[_1_]]

>> I'm not quite sure, LBJ has about ten different names.
> Just two, last I checked.

There are ten kinds of people in the world. Those that understand
binary, and those that don't.

Jose
--
There are more ways to skin a cat than there are cats.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Emily[_1_]]

Jose wrote:
>>> I'm not quite sure, LBJ has about ten different names.
>> Just two, last I checked.
>
> There are ten kinds of people in the world. Those that understand
> binary, and those that don't.

Call me a geek, but that never fails to make me laugh.

[Jay Beckman]

"Emily" > wrote in message
...
> Jose wrote:
>>>> I'm not quite sure, LBJ has about ten different names.
>>> Just two, last I checked.
>>
>> There are ten kinds of people in the world. Those that understand
>> binary, and those that don't.
>
> Call me a geek, but that never fails to make me laugh.

Ok, you're a geek...

(I always get a smile out of it to0.)

Jay B ( <--- Also A Geek)

[Skylune[_1_]]

And they didn't have to deal with Quebec drivers either. I bet as the guy
in Montreal was landing he was overtaken by 15 cars who then cut him off
as they whipped over from the far right lane to the exit on the far left
or from the far left to an exit on the far right, and they all flipped
him
off.

(Yes, they have exits on the left on Autoroute 40 - it fits with the
general crazyness of Montreal drivers.)

<<

The drivers obviously caused the plane to crash onto them. Over the past
weekend, other reckless Montreal drivers caused another on-street landing,
though the pilot in that case was heroic, avoiding the cars.

[Neil Gould]

Recently, Jon Woellhaf > posted:

> Neil Gould wrote about really bad drivers,
>> ... Every time I've been [to Boston] I've
>> seen someone driving the wrong way on the freeway, but that isn't the
>> worst I've seen there.
>
> What IS the worst you've seen there?!
>
It would be hard to decide... Insane entries and exits of rotaries? Coming
out of blind side streets at the speed limit, ergo they didn't even slow
down for the stop sign? Right-hand turns from the left side of the road &
vice versa?

Neil

[Grumman-581[_3_]]

"Emily" > wrote in message
...
> Call me a geek, but that never fails to make me laugh.

You're female, you can only be a geekette...

[Emily[_1_]]

Grumman-581 wrote:
> "Emily" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Call me a geek, but that never fails to make me laugh.
>
> You're female, you can only be a geekette...
>
>
Well, that works too.

[Eduardo K.[_1_]]

In article . com>,
Jay Honeck > wrote:
>
>Here in the Midwest, the first snowstorm of the year always brings a
>rash of fender-benders, as folks have to re-learn how to drive in icy
>conditions.
>

Where I live there is no snow or ice, and it only rains every 3 or 4 weeks
in winter. Just enough to get the streets oily so the first drops
of rain turn it into something very slippery.

That, added to the hundres of people who take the bus on dry days
and get their cars only on rainy days makes the first 3 hours of a rainy
day an absolute nightmare.

From hour 4 everything is so flodded traffic slows down to a complete stop
so fender benders are no longer a problem :)

The joys of a developing nation.




--
Eduardo K. | Some say it's forgive and forget.
http://www.carfun.cl | I say forget about forgiving just accept.
http://e.nn.cl | And get the hell out of town.
| Minnie Driver, Grosse Point Blank

[Emily[_1_]]

Eduardo K. wrote:
> In article . com>,
> Jay Honeck > wrote:
>> Here in the Midwest, the first snowstorm of the year always brings a
>> rash of fender-benders, as folks have to re-learn how to drive in icy
>> conditions.
>>
>
> Where I live there is no snow or ice, and it only rains every 3 or 4 weeks
> in winter. Just enough to get the streets oily so the first drops
> of rain turn it into something very slippery.
>
> That, added to the hundres of people who take the bus on dry days
> and get their cars only on rainy days makes the first 3 hours of a rainy
> day an absolute nightmare.
>
> From hour 4 everything is so flodded traffic slows down to a complete stop
> so fender benders are no longer a problem :)
>
> The joys of a developing nation.

Nah, happens here, too. I learned in driver's ed about streets getting
oily, but it rained a lot where I learned to drive and I never
experienced it.

First time it rained here, I took a corner too fast and spun out...it
felt like I was driving on a solid sheet of ice. Of course, being used
to driving in snow, it was easy to recover. Scary stuff!

[Grumman-581[_3_]]

"Emily" > wrote in message
. ..
> First time it rained here, I took a corner too fast and spun out...it
> felt like I was driving on a solid sheet of ice. Of course, being used
> to driving in snow, it was easy to recover. Scary stuff!

I had that happen about 23 years ago while on a motorcycle... I had stopped
at a stop sign and as I took off and made the left turn, the bike came out
from underneath me... I immediately knew what caused it, but that did do any
good... I just climbed on the side of the bike and enjoyed the spin /
ride... I really do not like 2 wheeled vehicles on slippery surfaces...

[Montblack[_1_]]

("Grumman-581" wrote)
> I had that happen about 23 years ago while on a motorcycle... I had
> stopped at a stop sign and as I took off and made the left turn, the bike
> came out from underneath me... I immediately knew what caused it, but that
> did do any good... I just climbed on the side of the bike and enjoyed the
> spin / ride... I really do not like 2 wheeled vehicles on slippery
> surfaces...


100% identical to my 'exit ramp' experience in 1981:

Too much goose on the throttle, familiar turn, night, damp, too much packed
rubber and oily film on the pavement in that one location, a slight dip
where the two bridges didn't line up, etc, etc.

I came down 'hard' on the back of my head (helmet on that night - whew). The
bike spun out sideways - without me. Top speed: 12mph, if that.

It felt like I'd just caught a sideline 'out' pass and was turning upfield,
when Bam! ...I get drilled by the free safety. That's how quickly it
happened.

One second I'm playing with the blinker switch, next second I'm on my back,
wondering how much a new blinker assembly will cost - thank goodness for
rubber breakaway blinker mounts.


Montblack
1981 Yamaha 650 Special II