Commerical rating question about hours req.

[Nik]

Hey guys, quick question about the commercial (VFR) rating and the
hours required for it.
To get your commercial rating you need:

20 hours of DUAL training to include....

10 hours of DUAL complex time
1 two hour DUAL, DAY, VFR, 100 Nm (straight line distance) cross
country
1 two hour DUAL, NIGHT, VFR, 100 Nm (straight line distance) cross
country
10 hours DUAL Instrument
250 hours of total time
100 hours pilot in command

50 hours cross country PIC

10 hours of solo to include....

1 300 Nm cross country with 3 full stop landings, one of which is 250
Nm straight line distance from the point of departure.
5 hours of NIGHT SOLO, and in those five :
10 take offs and landings at NIGHT SOLO, at an airport with an
operating control tower.

Now my questions is: I got a couple of hours (4) of simulated
instrument and 2 dual cross country's of 100nm logged that prepared me
for my PP, do those hours qualify for the rating or do I have to do
them over again?

Thanks!
-Nik

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN[_2_]]

Nik wrote:
> Now my questions is: I got a couple of hours (4) of simulated
> instrument and 2 dual cross country's of 100nm logged that prepared me
> for my PP, do those hours qualify for the rating or do I have to do
> them over again?


It counts. I used my instrument rating to provide the instrument hours for the
commercial license. I had to get the 10 hours of dual for the commercial
license specifically, but I used those 10 hours to kill more than one
requirement at the same time, ie, commercial maneuvers and complex training at
the same time, etc.

No point in spending more than you have to...



--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

[Matt Whiting]

Mortimer Schnerd, RN wrote:

> Nik wrote:
>
>>Now my questions is: I got a couple of hours (4) of simulated
>>instrument and 2 dual cross country's of 100nm logged that prepared me
>>for my PP, do those hours qualify for the rating or do I have to do
>>them over again?
>
>
>
> It counts. I used my instrument rating to provide the instrument hours for the
> commercial license. I had to get the 10 hours of dual for the commercial
> license specifically, but I used those 10 hours to kill more than one
> requirement at the same time, ie, commercial maneuvers and complex training at
> the same time, etc.

I didn't have the long dual cross country flights when I got my private
in 1978. Is this a new requirement? I don't recall seeing it in the
FARs, but I haven't checked the PP requirements since ... oh, about
1978. :-)

Matt

[Jim Macklin]

The instrument training required for a PP is control and
maneuvering from a CFI. The Commercial requires instrument
instruction from a CFII.

61.109

(3) 3 hours of flight training in a single-engine airplane
on the control and maneuvering of an airplane solely by
reference to instruments, including straight and level
flight, constant airspeed climbs and descents, turns to a
heading, recovery from unusual flight attitudes, radio
communications, and the use of navigation systems/facilities
and radar services appropriate to instrument flight;



while

61.129

(i) 10 hours of instrument training of which at least 5
hours must be in a single-engine airplane;



So you need a CFII for all 10 hours of the commercial. If
your time was logged so as to comply with 61.129, by an
authorized instructor (instrument instruction requires the
II).




--
James H. Macklin
ATP,CFI,A&P


"Nik" > wrote in message
ups.com...
| Hey guys, quick question about the commercial (VFR) rating
and the
| hours required for it.
| To get your commercial rating you need:
|
| 20 hours of DUAL training to include....
|
| 10 hours of DUAL complex time
| 1 two hour DUAL, DAY, VFR, 100 Nm (straight line distance)
cross
| country
| 1 two hour DUAL, NIGHT, VFR, 100 Nm (straight line
distance) cross
| country
| 10 hours DUAL Instrument
| 250 hours of total time
| 100 hours pilot in command
|
| 50 hours cross country PIC
|
| 10 hours of solo to include....
|
| 1 300 Nm cross country with 3 full stop landings, one of
which is 250
| Nm straight line distance from the point of departure.
| 5 hours of NIGHT SOLO, and in those five :
| 10 take offs and landings at NIGHT SOLO, at an airport
with an
| operating control tower.
|
| Now my questions is: I got a couple of hours (4) of
simulated
| instrument and 2 dual cross country's of 100nm logged that
prepared me
| for my PP, do those hours qualify for the rating or do I
have to do
| them over again?
|
| Thanks!
| -Nik
|

[Nik]

Thanks for the reply guys!
So since I received my 3 hours from a CFII, it DOES COUNT, right?


Thanks!
-Nik
Jim Macklin wrote:
> The instrument training required for a PP is control and
> maneuvering from a CFI. The Commercial requires instrument
> instruction from a CFII.
>
> 61.109
>
> (3) 3 hours of flight training in a single-engine airplane
> on the control and maneuvering of an airplane solely by
> reference to instruments, including straight and level
> flight, constant airspeed climbs and descents, turns to a
> heading, recovery from unusual flight attitudes, radio
> communications, and the use of navigation systems/facilities
> and radar services appropriate to instrument flight;
>
>
>
> while
>
> 61.129
>
> (i) 10 hours of instrument training of which at least 5
> hours must be in a single-engine airplane;
>
>
>
> So you need a CFII for all 10 hours of the commercial. If
> your time was logged so as to comply with 61.129, by an
> authorized instructor (instrument instruction requires the
> II).
>
>
>
>
> --
> James H. Macklin
> ATP,CFI,A&P
>
>
> "Nik" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
> | Hey guys, quick question about the commercial (VFR) rating
> and the
> | hours required for it.
> | To get your commercial rating you need:
> |
> | 20 hours of DUAL training to include....
> |
> | 10 hours of DUAL complex time
> | 1 two hour DUAL, DAY, VFR, 100 Nm (straight line distance)
> cross
> | country
> | 1 two hour DUAL, NIGHT, VFR, 100 Nm (straight line
> distance) cross
> | country
> | 10 hours DUAL Instrument
> | 250 hours of total time
> | 100 hours pilot in command
> |
> | 50 hours cross country PIC
> |
> | 10 hours of solo to include....
> |
> | 1 300 Nm cross country with 3 full stop landings, one of
> which is 250
> | Nm straight line distance from the point of departure.
> | 5 hours of NIGHT SOLO, and in those five :
> | 10 take offs and landings at NIGHT SOLO, at an airport
> with an
> | operating control tower.
> |
> | Now my questions is: I got a couple of hours (4) of
> simulated
> | instrument and 2 dual cross country's of 100nm logged that
> prepared me
> | for my PP, do those hours qualify for the rating or do I
> have to do
> | them over again?
> |
> | Thanks!
> | -Nik
> |

[Jim Macklin]

It depends on what the CFII wrote in the book and how it was
phrased.


"Nik" > wrote in message
oups.com...
| Thanks for the reply guys!
| So since I received my 3 hours from a CFII, it DOES COUNT,
right?
|
|
| Thanks!
| -Nik
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| > The instrument training required for a PP is control and
| > maneuvering from a CFI. The Commercial requires
instrument
| > instruction from a CFII.
| >
| > 61.109
| >
| > (3) 3 hours of flight training in a single-engine
airplane
| > on the control and maneuvering of an airplane solely by
| > reference to instruments, including straight and level
| > flight, constant airspeed climbs and descents, turns to
a
| > heading, recovery from unusual flight attitudes, radio
| > communications, and the use of navigation
systems/facilities
| > and radar services appropriate to instrument flight;
| >
| >
| >
| > while
| >
| > 61.129
| >
| > (i) 10 hours of instrument training of which at least 5
| > hours must be in a single-engine airplane;
| >
| >
| >
| > So you need a CFII for all 10 hours of the commercial.
If
| > your time was logged so as to comply with 61.129, by an
| > authorized instructor (instrument instruction requires
the
| > II).
| >
| >
| >
| >
| > --
| > James H. Macklin
| > ATP,CFI,A&P
| >
| >
| > "Nik" > wrote in message
| >
ups.com...
| > | Hey guys, quick question about the commercial (VFR)
rating
| > and the
| > | hours required for it.
| > | To get your commercial rating you need:
| > |
| > | 20 hours of DUAL training to include....
| > |
| > | 10 hours of DUAL complex time
| > | 1 two hour DUAL, DAY, VFR, 100 Nm (straight line
distance)
| > cross
| > | country
| > | 1 two hour DUAL, NIGHT, VFR, 100 Nm (straight line
| > distance) cross
| > | country
| > | 10 hours DUAL Instrument
| > | 250 hours of total time
| > | 100 hours pilot in command
| > |
| > | 50 hours cross country PIC
| > |
| > | 10 hours of solo to include....
| > |
| > | 1 300 Nm cross country with 3 full stop landings, one
of
| > which is 250
| > | Nm straight line distance from the point of departure.
| > | 5 hours of NIGHT SOLO, and in those five :
| > | 10 take offs and landings at NIGHT SOLO, at an airport
| > with an
| > | operating control tower.
| > |
| > | Now my questions is: I got a couple of hours (4) of
| > simulated
| > | instrument and 2 dual cross country's of 100nm logged
that
| > prepared me
| > | for my PP, do those hours qualify for the rating or do
I
| > have to do
| > | them over again?
| > |
| > | Thanks!
| > | -Nik
| > |
|