ATP wants a single engine add on

[Emily[_1_]]

And for some reason he's picked me for the honor of training him.

But I'm a little confused on one thing. He claims to have a
commercial-multi, limited to centerline thrust, and an ATP multi,
unrestricted, with 737 and 757/767 type ratings. I wasn't aware that
you could have both those certificates...is that true?

And if it is, onto which certificate does the single engine airplane add
on go?

And one last question. I know I'd never, ever, train a primary student,
as long as it's been since I instructed, but this shouldn't be a huge
deal, right?

[Robert M. Gary]

I've done it. Its an odd combination. On one hand they know the ATC
system very well (although I've found they believe the VFR system is
more restrictive than it is), on the other hand, there is some basic
stick-rudder items that they will be lacking.
I did a C-182T (glass cockpit) checkout with a 727 pilot once. When I
asked him to do power on stalls, the thought occured to me to ask him
if he knew which rudder was going to be needed to stay coordinated in
the stall. "Left?" he said.
My pointis that you need to remember that, dispite your student's
knowledge in some areas, he's a student pilot in others.

-Robert, CFII


Emily wrote:
> And for some reason he's picked me for the honor of training him.
>
> But I'm a little confused on one thing. He claims to have a
> commercial-multi, limited to centerline thrust, and an ATP multi,
> unrestricted, with 737 and 757/767 type ratings. I wasn't aware that
> you could have both those certificates...is that true?
>
> And if it is, onto which certificate does the single engine airplane add
> on go?
>
> And one last question. I know I'd never, ever, train a primary student,
> as long as it's been since I instructed, but this shouldn't be a huge
> deal, right?

[Dave S]

My guess is that he is ex-mil... to account for the resume you've
listed. It DOES sound weird tho.. You would think the ATP would override
the commercial multi CLT..

As for which one it adds on to: My guess is.. which ever one he wants..
He can train for a ASEL ride to private, commercial or ATP standards
provided he has the time in type for the add-on. (havent looked at the
applicable reg for this one as to any required hours).

I'm guessing he just has to declare in advance which ride he is taking,
then meet the standards for it.

Dave

Emily wrote:
> And for some reason he's picked me for the honor of training him.
>
> But I'm a little confused on one thing. He claims to have a
> commercial-multi, limited to centerline thrust, and an ATP multi,
> unrestricted, with 737 and 757/767 type ratings. I wasn't aware that
> you could have both those certificates...is that true?
>
> And if it is, onto which certificate does the single engine airplane add
> on go?
>
> And one last question. I know I'd never, ever, train a primary student,
> as long as it's been since I instructed, but this shouldn't be a huge
> deal, right?

[Robert M. Gary]

BTW: I would also recommend that you avoid getting into a battle of
"who's the best pilot". This can happen when you are training pilots
with lots of experience. Sometimes you just need to address it head on.
You may say something along the lines of "I know that you are a very
experienced pilot. Let's go out and review the basic items in our
syllabus. Maybe you'll learn something new, but worse case you'll get
my sign off for the checkride". Usually, if something goes terribly
wrong (like they can't land the Cessna), they'll understand something
is wrong and not put up a fight when you ask them for a few more hours
before the sign off. Most important, don't enter with the attitude of
"I know more than that guy", it doesn't help either way and you may
trigger a negative defense mechanism in him.

-Robert

[Emily[_1_]]

Dave S wrote:
> My guess is that he is ex-mil... to account for the resume you've
> listed.

He is. Has never flown a single.

>It DOES sound weird tho.. You would think the ATP would override
> the commercial multi CLT..

That's what I thought. Granted, he *could* just be carrying around the
invalid commercial, assuming it's still valid. Not sure what good it is.

> As for which one it adds on to: My guess is.. which ever one he wants..
> He can train for a ASEL ride to private, commercial or ATP standards
> provided he has the time in type for the add-on. (havent looked at the
> applicable reg for this one as to any required hours).

I'm trying to make it make sense by thinking of it how I did it. I had
a commercial single and just added the multi on. I believe it's the
same thing, no? He wouldn't have to go approaches, since that's a
commercial multi thing, but he'd had to add it at least at the
commercial or ATP level, because that's what he already has.

At least, as far as I can tell.

[zatatime]

On Mon, 18 Sep 2006 17:43:08 -0500, Emily >
wrote:

>And for some reason he's picked me for the honor of training him.
>
>But I'm a little confused on one thing. He claims to have a
>commercial-multi, limited to centerline thrust, and an ATP multi,
>unrestricted, with 737 and 757/767 type ratings. I wasn't aware that
>you could have both those certificates...is that true?
>
>And if it is, onto which certificate does the single engine airplane add
>on go?
>
>And one last question. I know I'd never, ever, train a primary student,
>as long as it's been since I instructed, but this shouldn't be a huge
>deal, right?

While I don't know the answer, I gave someone a BFR a couple months
ago with the same situation (except for the centerline thrust
limitation). I wasn't sure of the exact way to sign him off, so I
just left out the type of certificate he had as literally every other
instructor had done for the past 10 years.

Whatever you learn here, you may want to call the FSDO and/or examiner
who will do the check ride to make sure you satisfy them.

z

[Jim Macklin]

He has an ATP MEL, the center-line thrust limitation should
have been lifted. I have an ATP SMEL and since I held an
ASES as a commercial pilot before I got the ATP, the SES is
listed on my certificate as commercial privileges.

But I think the failure to remove the limitation on his ATP
is a clerical error. He may have gotten a MEL center thrust
from a military rating or from a Cessna 337.

In any case, FAR 61, additional ratings applies, but if he
adds-on at the commercial practical test level he needs all
the endorsements and instructor sign-offs, but if he takes
the tests at the ATP level, he just does it.



"Emily" > wrote in message
. ..
| And for some reason he's picked me for the honor of
training him.
|
| But I'm a little confused on one thing. He claims to have
a
| commercial-multi, limited to centerline thrust, and an ATP
multi,
| unrestricted, with 737 and 757/767 type ratings. I wasn't
aware that
| you could have both those certificates...is that true?
|
| And if it is, onto which certificate does the single
engine airplane add
| on go?
|
| And one last question. I know I'd never, ever, train a
primary student,
| as long as it's been since I instructed, but this
shouldn't be a huge
| deal, right?

[Jim Macklin]

The CLT multi-commercial should have been surrendered, do
they both have the same number and name. Have you checked
on the FAA web site for his official ratings?



"Emily" > wrote in message
...
| Dave S wrote:
| > My guess is that he is ex-mil... to account for the
resume you've
| > listed.
|
| He is. Has never flown a single.
|
| >It DOES sound weird tho.. You would think the ATP would
override
| > the commercial multi CLT..
|
| That's what I thought. Granted, he *could* just be
carrying around the
| invalid commercial, assuming it's still valid. Not sure
what good it is.
|
| > As for which one it adds on to: My guess is.. which ever
one he wants..
| > He can train for a ASEL ride to private, commercial or
ATP standards
| > provided he has the time in type for the add-on. (havent
looked at the
| > applicable reg for this one as to any required hours).
|
| I'm trying to make it make sense by thinking of it how I
did it. I had
| a commercial single and just added the multi on. I
believe it's the
| same thing, no? He wouldn't have to go approaches, since
that's a
| commercial multi thing, but he'd had to add it at least at
the
| commercial or ATP level, because that's what he already
has.
|
| At least, as far as I can tell.

[Emily[_1_]]

Jim Macklin wrote:
> The CLT multi-commercial should have been surrendered, do
> they both have the same number and name. Have you checked
> on the FAA web site for his official ratings?

He's opted out (or he's lying about being a pilot, but I've seen him
walk off a commercial jet in uniform and with ID, so I'm guessing he's
opted out).

I'm guessing that when he got his ATP, he should have surrendered his
commercial but didn't for some reason. I have a feeling it has to do
with his military experience.

So let me get this straight, if he adds on to the commercial (which I
don't think he can do, since he shouldn't have one) it requires the
training and signoffs, but if he adds on to the ATP, it doesn't? Can
you point in me in the right direction for added on ATP ratings?

[Sylvain]

Emily wrote:

> I'm guessing that when he got his ATP, he should have surrendered his
> commercial but didn't for some reason.

one pretty good reason not to surrender a certificate when you upgrade
it, is if said certificate has a rating which you do not want to give
up and which is not covered by the new certificate. Although this is not
exactly germane to this discussion, I did keep my old private certificate
(obtained under 61.75 (*)) even though I now have a commercial, because
said private certificate still has my glider rating on it; could it
be a similar situation?

--Sylvain

(*) before someone jumps all over me quoting 61.75(b)(3), whereby
you cannot get a certificate under 61.75 if you already hold a US pilot
certificate, nothing prevents you from keeping it after you get
a US certificate. But I digress :-)

[Emily[_1_]]

Sylvain wrote:
> Emily wrote:
>
>> I'm guessing that when he got his ATP, he should have surrendered his
>> commercial but didn't for some reason.
>
> one pretty good reason not to surrender a certificate when you upgrade
> it, is if said certificate has a rating which you do not want to give
> up and which is not covered by the new certificate.

Yes, but he had a commercial multi limited to centerline thrust and got
an unrestricted ATP multi. That doesn't make any sense. Why keep a
centerline thrust restriction?

[Robert M. Gary]

Emily wrote:
> Jim Macklin wrote:
> He's opted out (or he's lying about being a pilot, but I've seen him
> walk off a commercial jet in uniform and with ID, so I'm guessing he's
> opted out).

I've also run into situations where the pilot has a very unfortunate
first name. I had a student once who's first name turned out to be
Sherly, he went by "John".
However, I believe (I need to double check) that you'll need to verify
his passport before training per TSA.

-Robert

[Jim Macklin]

61.31 plus 61.39
c) A person is not required to comply with the provisions of
paragraph (a)(6) of this section if that person:
(1) Holds a foreign-pilot license issued by a contracting
State to the Convention on International Civil Aviation that
authorizes at least the pilot privileges of the airman
certificate sought;

(2) Is applying for a type rating only, or a class rating
with an associated type rating; or

(3) Is applying for an airline transport pilot certificate
or an additional rating to an airline transport pilot
certificate in an aircraft that does not require an aircraft
type rating practical test.

(d) If all increments of the practical test for a
certificate or rating are not completed on one date, all
remaining increments of the test must be satisfactorily
completed not more than 60 calendar days after the date on
which the applicant began the test.

(e) If all increments of the practical test for a
certificate or a rating are not satisfactorily completed
within 60 calendar days after the date on which the
applicant began the test, the applicant must retake the
entire practical test, including those increments
satisfactorily completed.

[Doc. No. 25910, 62 FR 16298, Apr. 4, 1997; Amdt. 61-103, 62
FR 40897, July 30, 1997, as amended by Amdt. 61-104, 63 FR
20286, Apr. 23, 1998]

ande 61.63.





To add a SEL or SES rating as an ATP is much easier.







"Emily" > wrote in message
. ..
| Jim Macklin wrote:
| > The CLT multi-commercial should have been surrendered,
do
| > they both have the same number and name. Have you
checked
| > on the FAA web site for his official ratings?
|
| He's opted out (or he's lying about being a pilot, but
I've seen him
| walk off a commercial jet in uniform and with ID, so I'm
guessing he's
| opted out).
|
| I'm guessing that when he got his ATP, he should have
surrendered his
| commercial but didn't for some reason. I have a feeling
it has to do
| with his military experience.
|
| So let me get this straight, if he adds on to the
commercial (which I
| don't think he can do, since he shouldn't have one) it
requires the
| training and signoffs, but if he adds on to the ATP, it
doesn't? Can
| you point in me in the right direction for added on ATP
ratings?

[Emily[_1_]]

Jim Macklin wrote:

>
> (3) Is applying for an airline transport pilot certificate
> or an additional rating to an airline transport pilot
> certificate in an aircraft that does not require an aircraft
> type rating practical test.

So per this, he doesn't have to do a practical test. What DOES he have
to do?

You know, I'm doing this the wrong way. HE should be figuring this out.

[Jose[_1_]]

> You know, I'm doing this the wrong way. HE should be figuring this out.

Well, yes, but you have to know too. :)

Jose
--
There are more ways to skin a cat than there are cats.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

[Jim Macklin]

He doesn't need a written test or a sign-off from a CFI, but
he must pass the practical [flight test}] for an ATP.



"Emily" > wrote in message
...
| Jim Macklin wrote:
|
| >
| > (3) Is applying for an airline transport pilot
certificate
| > or an additional rating to an airline transport pilot
| > certificate in an aircraft that does not require an
aircraft
| > type rating practical test.
|
| So per this, he doesn't have to do a practical test. What
DOES he have
| to do?
|
| You know, I'm doing this the wrong way. HE should be
figuring this out.

[Jim Macklin]

You have to read all of the regulations, I just posted the
one section that allows skipping some of the paperwork on an
additional rating.


"Jim Macklin" > wrote
in message news:%rJPg.23058$SZ3.20912@dukeread04...
| 61.31 plus 61.39
| c) A person is not required to comply with the provisions
of
| paragraph (a)(6) of this section if that person:
| (1) Holds a foreign-pilot license issued by a contracting
| State to the Convention on International Civil Aviation
that
| authorizes at least the pilot privileges of the airman
| certificate sought;
|
| (2) Is applying for a type rating only, or a class rating
| with an associated type rating; or
|
| (3) Is applying for an airline transport pilot certificate
| or an additional rating to an airline transport pilot
| certificate in an aircraft that does not require an
aircraft
| type rating practical test.
|
| (d) If all increments of the practical test for a
| certificate or rating are not completed on one date, all
| remaining increments of the test must be satisfactorily
| completed not more than 60 calendar days after the date on
| which the applicant began the test.
|
| (e) If all increments of the practical test for a
| certificate or a rating are not satisfactorily completed
| within 60 calendar days after the date on which the
| applicant began the test, the applicant must retake the
| entire practical test, including those increments
| satisfactorily completed.
|
| [Doc. No. 25910, 62 FR 16298, Apr. 4, 1997; Amdt. 61-103,
62
| FR 40897, July 30, 1997, as amended by Amdt. 61-104, 63 FR
| 20286, Apr. 23, 1998]
|
| ande 61.63.
|
|
|
|
|
| To add a SEL or SES rating as an ATP is much easier.
|
|
|
|
|
|
|
| "Emily" > wrote in message
| . ..
|| Jim Macklin wrote:
|| > The CLT multi-commercial should have been surrendered,
| do
|| > they both have the same number and name. Have you
| checked
|| > on the FAA web site for his official ratings?
||
|| He's opted out (or he's lying about being a pilot, but
| I've seen him
|| walk off a commercial jet in uniform and with ID, so I'm
| guessing he's
|| opted out).
||
|| I'm guessing that when he got his ATP, he should have
| surrendered his
|| commercial but didn't for some reason. I have a feeling
| it has to do
|| with his military experience.
||
|| So let me get this straight, if he adds on to the
| commercial (which I
|| don't think he can do, since he shouldn't have one) it
| requires the
|| training and signoffs, but if he adds on to the ATP, it
| doesn't? Can
|| you point in me in the right direction for added on ATP
| ratings?
|
|

[B A R R Y[_1_]]

Emily wrote:
> Jim Macklin wrote:
>> The CLT multi-commercial should have been surrendered, do they both
>> have the same number and name. Have you checked on the FAA web site
>> for his official ratings?
>
> He's opted out (or he's lying about being a pilot, but I've seen him
> walk off a commercial jet in uniform and with ID, so I'm guessing he's
> opted out).

Maybe he's a flight attendant? Remember "The Simpsons"? <G>

FWIW, certificates are public information and very easy to check via the
FAA web site.

[Allen[_1_]]

"Emily" > wrote in message
. ..
> Sylvain wrote:
> > Emily wrote:
> >
> >> I'm guessing that when he got his ATP, he should have surrendered his
> >> commercial but didn't for some reason.
> >
> > one pretty good reason not to surrender a certificate when you upgrade
> > it, is if said certificate has a rating which you do not want to give
> > up and which is not covered by the new certificate.
>
> Yes, but he had a commercial multi limited to centerline thrust and got
> an unrestricted ATP multi. That doesn't make any sense. Why keep a
> centerline thrust restriction?

From what I have seen the ratings are all on one card. My ATP is for
multi-engine and it says on it "commercial privileges - SEL". When I
received my new card in the mail my old commercial card that I had
surrendered was with it also. The FAA thought I might like it back since it
was an original issue and I had been packing it for 18 years. They did
punch a hole in it though.

Allen

[Emily[_1_]]

B A R R Y wrote:
> Emily wrote:
>> Jim Macklin wrote:
>>> The CLT multi-commercial should have been surrendered, do they both
>>> have the same number and name. Have you checked on the FAA web site
>>> for his official ratings?
>>
>> He's opted out (or he's lying about being a pilot, but I've seen him
>> walk off a commercial jet in uniform and with ID, so I'm guessing he's
>> opted out).
>
> Maybe he's a flight attendant? Remember "The Simpsons"? <G>
>
> FWIW, certificates are public information and very easy to check via the
> FAA web site.

You can opt out of the database. I didn't realize people didn't know that.

[B A R R Y[_1_]]

Emily wrote:
>
> You can opt out of the database. I didn't realize people didn't know that.

I didn't.

Thanks!

[Kris Kortokrax]

Emily wrote:
> B A R R Y wrote:
>> Emily wrote:
>>> Jim Macklin wrote:
>>>> The CLT multi-commercial should have been surrendered, do they both
>>>> have the same number and name. Have you checked on the FAA web site
>>>> for his official ratings?
>>>
>>> He's opted out (or he's lying about being a pilot, but I've seen him
>>> walk off a commercial jet in uniform and with ID, so I'm guessing
>>> he's opted out).
>>
>> Maybe he's a flight attendant? Remember "The Simpsons"? <G>
>>
>> FWIW, certificates are public information and very easy to check via
>> the FAA web site.
>
> You can opt out of the database. I didn't realize people didn't know that.

You can opt out of having your address displayed.
You cannot opt out of the database.
Plug his name into the FAA's database and you should be able to see his
certificates and ratings.

Kris

[Sylvain]

Kris Kortokrax wrote:

> You can opt out of having your address displayed.
> You cannot opt out of the database.

actually you can; when I opted out, they initially just removed
my address, now they removed the record altogether, and I am
pretty sure I still have a certificate :-)

> Plug his name into the FAA's database and you should be able to see his
> certificates and ratings.

you might or you might not; when I plug my own name into the thing,
nothing shows anymore,

--Sylvain

[Bob Gardner]

My SMEL ATP certificate says "Commercial privileges - single engine sea."
You don't get to keep the old certificate because any ratings are carried
forward onto the new one. I had to give mine up when I took my initial
(multi) ATP ride.

Bob Gardner

"Sylvain" > wrote in message
t...
> Emily wrote:
>
>> I'm guessing that when he got his ATP, he should have surrendered his
>> commercial but didn't for some reason.
>
> one pretty good reason not to surrender a certificate when you upgrade
> it, is if said certificate has a rating which you do not want to give
> up and which is not covered by the new certificate. Although this is not
> exactly germane to this discussion, I did keep my old private certificate
> (obtained under 61.75 (*)) even though I now have a commercial, because
> said private certificate still has my glider rating on it; could it
> be a similar situation?
>
> --Sylvain
>
> (*) before someone jumps all over me quoting 61.75(b)(3), whereby
> you cannot get a certificate under 61.75 if you already hold a US pilot
> certificate, nothing prevents you from keeping it after you get
> a US certificate. But I digress :-)

[Bob Gardner]

I trained an Alaska Airlines pilot for his ATP. He was hired back when a
commercial ticket and 300 hours would get you into the right seat. He had
never started an injected engine in his life.

Bob Gardner

"Robert M. Gary" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> BTW: I would also recommend that you avoid getting into a battle of
> "who's the best pilot". This can happen when you are training pilots
> with lots of experience. Sometimes you just need to address it head on.
> You may say something along the lines of "I know that you are a very
> experienced pilot. Let's go out and review the basic items in our
> syllabus. Maybe you'll learn something new, but worse case you'll get
> my sign off for the checkride". Usually, if something goes terribly
> wrong (like they can't land the Cessna), they'll understand something
> is wrong and not put up a fight when you ask them for a few more hours
> before the sign off. Most important, don't enter with the attitude of
> "I know more than that guy", it doesn't help either way and you may
> trigger a negative defense mechanism in him.
>
> -Robert
>

[Kris Kortokrax]

Sylvain wrote:
> Kris Kortokrax wrote:
>
>> You can opt out of having your address displayed.
>> You cannot opt out of the database.
>
> actually you can; when I opted out, they initially just removed
> my address, now they removed the record altogether, and I am
> pretty sure I still have a certificate :-)
>
>> Plug his name into the FAA's database and you should be able to see his
>> certificates and ratings.
>
> you might or you might not; when I plug my own name into the thing,
> nothing shows anymore,
>
> --Sylvain

From the FAA Airmen Registry website:

"The Aviation Investment and Reform Act for the 21st Century, and
other statutory requirements require us to make airmen certificate
information available to the public. Airmen meeting the active
criteria receive notice of these requirements and can withhold their
address information from release.

If your address appears in this database and you would like to remove
it, or if it does not appear and you would like to add it, you may
write or email us your preference. You may provide us with your
preference anytime."

Are you using the FAA's database at registry.faa.gov?

Kris

[Emily[_1_]]

B A R R Y wrote:
> Emily wrote:
>>
>> You can opt out of the database. I didn't realize people didn't know
>> that.
>
> I didn't.
>
> Thanks!
>
>
I don't know how you do it, but there's some way!

[Emily[_1_]]

Kris Kortokrax wrote:
> Emily wrote:
>> B A R R Y wrote:
>>> Emily wrote:
>>>> Jim Macklin wrote:
>>>>> The CLT multi-commercial should have been surrendered, do they both
>>>>> have the same number and name. Have you checked on the FAA web
>>>>> site for his official ratings?
>>>>
>>>> He's opted out (or he's lying about being a pilot, but I've seen him
>>>> walk off a commercial jet in uniform and with ID, so I'm guessing
>>>> he's opted out).
>>>
>>> Maybe he's a flight attendant? Remember "The Simpsons"? <G>
>>>
>>> FWIW, certificates are public information and very easy to check via
>>> the FAA web site.
>>
>> You can opt out of the database. I didn't realize people didn't know
>> that.
>
> You can opt out of having your address displayed.
> You cannot opt out of the database.
> Plug his name into the FAA's database and you should be able to see his
> certificates and ratings.
>
> Kris

Wrong. You can opt to have nothing displayed.

[Kris Kortokrax]

Emily wrote:
> Kris Kortokrax wrote:
>> Emily wrote:

>>> You can opt out of the database. I didn't realize people didn't know
>>> that.
>>
>> You can opt out of having your address displayed.
>> You cannot opt out of the database.
>> Plug his name into the FAA's database and you should be able to see
>> his certificates and ratings.
>>
>> Kris
>
> Wrong. You can opt to have nothing displayed.

Interesting. In spite of the statement on the FAA's registry website
stating that they are required to make certificate information available
to the public, and Sylvain's post stating that although he thought he
had his certificate information removed, that it is still there, you
insist that one can opt to have nothing displayed.

There are others on rec.aviation.pilot who have expressed a desire to
have their certificate and medical info removed from the database.
Perhaps you could post the procedure for doing so and help them out.

Kris

[Emily[_1_]]

Kris Kortokrax wrote:
> Emily wrote:
>> Kris Kortokrax wrote:
>>> Emily wrote:
>
>>>> You can opt out of the database. I didn't realize people didn't
>>>> know that.
>>>
>>> You can opt out of having your address displayed.
>>> You cannot opt out of the database.
>>> Plug his name into the FAA's database and you should be able to see
>>> his certificates and ratings.
>>>
>>> Kris
>>
>> Wrong. You can opt to have nothing displayed.
>
> Interesting. In spite of the statement on the FAA's registry website
> stating that they are required to make certificate information available
> to the public, and Sylvain's post stating that although he thought he
> had his certificate information removed, that it is still there, you
> insist that one can opt to have nothing displayed.
>
> There are others on rec.aviation.pilot who have expressed a desire to
> have their certificate and medical info removed from the database.
> Perhaps you could post the procedure for doing so and help them out.

I've never done it, but if you go to the airman certification page, it
gives instructions. I've known quite a few people who have done this.

[Kris Kortokrax]

Emily wrote:
> Kris Kortokrax wrote:
>> Emily wrote:
>>> Kris Kortokrax wrote:
>>>> Emily wrote:
>>
>>>>> You can opt out of the database. I didn't realize people didn't
>>>>> know that.
>>>>
>>>> You can opt out of having your address displayed.
>>>> You cannot opt out of the database.
>>>> Plug his name into the FAA's database and you should be able to see
>>>> his certificates and ratings.
>>>>
>>>> Kris
>>>
>>> Wrong. You can opt to have nothing displayed.
>>
>> Interesting. In spite of the statement on the FAA's registry website
>> stating that they are required to make certificate information
>> available to the public, and Sylvain's post stating that although he
>> thought he had his certificate information removed, that it is still
>> there, you insist that one can opt to have nothing displayed.
>>
>> There are others on rec.aviation.pilot who have expressed a desire to
>> have their certificate and medical info removed from the database.
>> Perhaps you could post the procedure for doing so and help them out.
>
> I've never done it, but if you go to the airman certification page, it
> gives instructions. I've known quite a few people who have done this.

I've been to the airman certification page many times. There is a link
on the page to:

"Add or Delete your Mailing Address from Public View".

Following this link will lead you to a page where you will find the
statement that the FAA is required to make certificate information
available to the public.

There is no link to add or delete your certificate information from the
database, because you do not have the option to remove certificate
information from the public view.

Kris

[Sylvain]

Kris Kortokrax wrote:

> There is no link to add or delete your certificate information from the
> database, because you do not have the option to remove certificate
> information from the public view.

what confused me, and lead me to believe that my records were removed,
is that it used to be possible to enter just the last name and either
the state or country of residence to get the data; that's how I checked
when waiting for a new rating for instance; what seems to have changed
is that you now have to enter the data of birth to get to the data (well,
date of birth works, but I haven't tried all the combinations of input
to see what works or not);

--Sylvain

[Kris Kortokrax]

Sylvain wrote:
> Kris Kortokrax wrote:
>
>> There is no link to add or delete your certificate information from the
>> database, because you do not have the option to remove certificate
>> information from the public view.
>
> what confused me, and lead me to believe that my records were removed,
> is that it used to be possible to enter just the last name and either
> the state or country of residence to get the data; that's how I checked
> when waiting for a new rating for instance; what seems to have changed
> is that you now have to enter the data of birth to get to the data (well,
> date of birth works, but I haven't tried all the combinations of input
> to see what works or not);
>
> --Sylvain

Try last name and first initial. That always works for me.
That was how I found your entry, among others with the last name Sylvain
(I assumed that was your last name). I went through the alphabet of
first initials and found 11 entries with no address.

Kris

[Sylvain]

Kris Kortokrax wrote:
>
> Try last name and first initial. That always works for me.
> That was how I found your entry, among others with the last name Sylvain
> (I assumed that was your last name).

actually Sylvain is my first name; didn't know it was used as a last
name as well, fun, I'll check it out ;-)

--Sylvain