Please Ignore Mxsmanic

[Terry]

To all the "real" pilots reading this newsgroup.......

It's very obvious that Mxsmanic is not serious about learning to fly
real airplanes.
The questions asked by him are very basic questions that could be
found by
reading and educating himself in the "right way". Instead it appears
he is lazy and
wants to take the easy way out. He prefers to use us in this newsgroup
give him the answers to his mostly stupid questions.

I respect alot of you as fellow pilots in this newsgroup and value
your viewpoint
even tho I have over 2,000 hours and built my 1st airplane 20 years
ago. It's aways
interesting to hear others opinions and I will be the first to admit
there is always
something to learn. I enjoy helping others that might have questions
about flying
or a particular airplane if I can. It's very clear that Mxsmanic has
not tried in anyway
to educate himself in anyway other than to ask in this newsgroup.

So here's the delimma, a lot of you knowledgeable people are feeding
the troll!
I know without a doubt, there is a sincere desire to be helpful but
all that is
happening is for every stupid question answered, two more are in the
newgroup
the next day.... it's never ending. I don't want to "kill file"
anybody but Mxsmanic.
I do want to read the rest of your postings and I enjoy them and learn
from them.

Final comment, please stop responding the Mxsmanic postings, comments
about
him, Flight Sim's etc. Just let him fade away and get this newsgroup
back to
questions about flying REAL airplanes, REAL questions, from REAL
people.

Thank You from 63 year old fellow pilot...

Terry
N6401F

[houstondan]

well, i guess i just don't understand or maybe i'm not a real enough
pilot or something. are you saying that if i respond to this guy (or
whatever) you'll "kill file" me??? i have no idea what being kill-filed
is like. does it hurt??

it's not like there is any real shortage of electrons and if we allow
this guy to use some there won't be enough left for me is there?? i'll
admit i'm fast losing interest in msxwhatever but i don't really see
how other people talking to him or not effects me in any way. besides,
ordering people to do stuff only works if you can shoot 'em if they
don't and then they can't anymore on account of they're shot...see?

i notice you live in new york. have they not regulated "kill-filing"
yet? i'm pretty sure california has. at least you have to get a permit,
file an environmental impact statement and adopt a rodent.

chill. please go play in your nice c-150. i really like those even tho
some people think they're more like toys than real airplanes. i've
seen some old snobs that won't even talk to you unless you've got more
plane than that. heck, all i've got is an old 172 but it makes me
grin.

so, c'mon terry, unclench that fist, come in off that porch, leave the
kids alone and tell me about that cessna of yours. 66 model huh? lot
newer than mine, it's only a 62 model but it does have the
johnson-handle flaps which i think are pretty cool. don't think i've
seen you over to the cessna pilots assn have i??

dan




Terry wrote:
> To all the "real" pilots reading this newsgroup.......
>
.. I don't want to "kill file"
> anybody but Mxsmanic.
> I do want to read the rest of your postings and I enjoy them and learn
> from them.
>

> Terry
> N6401F

[Crash Lander]

"Terry" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> To all the "real" pilots reading this newsgroup.......
>
> It's very obvious that Mxsmanic is not serious about learning to fly real
> airplanes.
> The questions asked by him are very basic questions that could be found by
> reading and educating himself in the "right way". Instead it appears he is
> lazy and
> wants to take the easy way out. He prefers to use us in this newsgroup
> give him the answers to his mostly stupid questions.
>
> I respect alot of you as fellow pilots in this newsgroup and value your
> viewpoint
> even tho I have over 2,000 hours and built my 1st airplane 20 years ago.
> It's aways
> interesting to hear others opinions and I will be the first to admit there
> is always
> something to learn. I enjoy helping others that might have questions about
> flying
> or a particular airplane if I can. It's very clear that Mxsmanic has not
> tried in anyway
> to educate himself in anyway other than to ask in this newsgroup.
>
> So here's the delimma, a lot of you knowledgeable people are feeding the
> troll!
> I know without a doubt, there is a sincere desire to be helpful but all
> that is
> happening is for every stupid question answered, two more are in the
> newgroup
> the next day.... it's never ending. I don't want to "kill file" anybody
> but Mxsmanic.
> I do want to read the rest of your postings and I enjoy them and learn
> from them.
>
> Final comment, please stop responding the Mxsmanic postings, comments
> about
> him, Flight Sim's etc. Just let him fade away and get this newsgroup back
> to
> questions about flying REAL airplanes, REAL questions, from REAL people.
>
> Thank You from 63 year old fellow pilot...
>
> Terry
> N6401F

As much as I agree that flight sim problems are rarely solved with real
world flying solutions, and that he may be asking some of the questions in
the wrong group, I have to say that I am also a flight simmer! And yes, I am
learning to fly. I only have 1 hour so far, so have just begun my journey,
but just because I am not a real pilot yet, doesn't mean that some of my
curious questions that arise from the simming world might not be worth
listening to from a real world pilot point of view.
You need to remember that just because a thread has been posted, it doesn't
mean you have to read it.
Crash Lander

[Steve Foley[_1_]]

"Terry" > wrote in message
ink.net...
> To all the "real" pilots reading this newsgroup.......
>
> It's very obvious that Mxsmanic is not serious about learning to fly
> real airplanes.
> The questions asked by him are very basic questions that could be
> found by
> reading and educating himself in the "right way". Instead it appears
> he is lazy and
> wants to take the easy way out. He prefers to use us in this newsgroup
> give him the answers to his mostly stupid questions.

It's even worse than that. He asks an innocent sounding question, and twists
the replies into an argument.

As a troll, he's almost as talented as Skylune.

I'm done playing with him.

[Steve Foley[_1_]]

"houstondan" > wrote in message
ups.com...
> well, i guess i just don't understand or maybe i'm not a real enough
> pilot or something. are you saying that if i respond to this guy (or
> whatever) you'll "kill file" me??? i have no idea what being kill-filed
> is like. does it hurt??

A kill-file simply puts you on a list where my computer will no longer shouw
your posts.

When I killfile someone, I don't see his/her posts. When you reply to
his/her posts and include his/her entire post in your response, now it shows
up on my computer. If you continue re-posting his/her posts, my only
recourse is to killfile you.

[Larry Dighera]

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 11:10:20 GMT, "Steve Foley"
> wrote in <wU7Sg.4917$Zj4.971@trndny04>:

> If you continue re-posting his/her posts, my only
>recourse is to killfile you.

Consider killing the message thread instead.

[Peter R.]

Crash Lander > wrote:

> I am not a real pilot yet, doesn't mean that some of my
> curious questions that arise from the simming world might not be worth
> listening to from a real world pilot point of view.

This particular issue has to do with the manner in which the subject-named
individual responds once people take the time to give an educated, detailed
answer.

Someone like yourself has demonstrated a willingness to learn and an
appreciation for the time someone else took to answer your questions. The
subject-named individual does not do that, instead choosing to argue
without facts and post inflammatory comments of his own.

I KF'ed this one weeks ago and created a filter to kill the post following
his, so he absolutely no longer exists in my Usenet world, other than these
tribute threads here. A simple subject-based filter will take care of
that, too.

--
Peter

[Montblack[_1_]]

("houstondan" wrote)
> i have no idea what being kill-filed is like. does it hurt??


YES! :^)

I've been *Plonked* three times in eight years

....that I know of.


Montblacklisted

[Mortimer Schnerd, RN[_2_]]

Crash Lander wrote:
> As much as I agree that flight sim problems are rarely solved with real
> world flying solutions, and that he may be asking some of the questions in
> the wrong group, I have to say that I am also a flight simmer! And yes, I am
> learning to fly. I only have 1 hour so far, so have just begun my journey,
> but just because I am not a real pilot yet, doesn't mean that some of my
> curious questions that arise from the simming world might not be worth
> listening to from a real world pilot point of view.
> You need to remember that just because a thread has been posted, it doesn't
> mean you have to read it.
> Crash Lander


1) You *are* a real pilot with just one hour... a student pilot. Every
licensed pilot starts that way.

2) Being a flight simmer isn't the issue here... it's only the wrapper around
the rotten meat.

3) The sheer volume of postings from Numbnuts makes it difficult to just
killfile his threads. Sure, I can easily killfile *him*, but I'm left with the
mass of replies. More to the point, the mass of replies sucks the oxygen out of
the room for any real questions.

4) While you have every intention of completing your course of study, Numbnuts
only wants to lecture us so as to demonstrate his superior knowledge. The fact
that he has none doesn't faze him. *He* is not a real pilot; nor does he have
any intention of ever learning how to fly. That's why he needs to go away from
here and rec.aviation.student, where he also crossposts.

Bottom line: it's not that Numbnuts is a simmer; it's that the simmer is
Numbnuts and he doesn't want to learn; only to lecture.




--
Mortimer Schnerd, RN
mschnerdatcarolina.rr.com

[Jay Beckman]

"Crash Lander" > wrote in message
...
> As much as I agree that flight sim problems are rarely solved with real
> world flying solutions, and that he may be asking some of the questions in
> the wrong group, I have to say that I am also a flight simmer! And yes, I
> am learning to fly. I only have 1 hour so far, so have just begun my
> journey, but just because I am not a real pilot yet, doesn't mean that
> some of my curious questions that arise from the simming world might not
> be worth listening to from a real world pilot point of view.
> You need to remember that just because a thread has been posted, it
> doesn't mean you have to read it.
> Crash Lander

(I'll vouch for "Crash" ... he's good people (in a usenet kinda way...gdr))

The difference here CL, is that Mx:

1) Has preconcieved notions
2) Is unwilling to accept the answers he's given
3) Insists the answers he's given are wrong and already knows exactly why
(adjunct to point #1)

No one here will hesitate to inform, enlighten and help educate new pilots
if the impression is given (and it can be real or imagined...) that the
person posing the questions can actually read the info, digest it and be
grateful for the help. Hell, no one would even care if you wanted to debate
an issue provided you do so with logic and facts based on real world
experiences or observations.

Just don't come in here telling hundreds of pilots with experience levels
ranging from newbie to multi-thousands of hours that you know better than
they do because your computer sim doesn't work that way.

Best of luck with your training. Post early and often as you go...

Jay Beckman
PP-ASEL
Chandler, AZ

[Dudley Henriques[_1_]]

"Jay Beckman" > wrote in message
news:05cSg.246$V6.53@fed1read06...
>
> "Crash Lander" > wrote in message
> ...
>> As much as I agree that flight sim problems are rarely solved with real
>> world flying solutions, and that he may be asking some of the questions
>> in the wrong group, I have to say that I am also a flight simmer! And
>> yes, I am learning to fly. I only have 1 hour so far, so have just begun
>> my journey, but just because I am not a real pilot yet, doesn't mean that
>> some of my curious questions that arise from the simming world might not
>> be worth listening to from a real world pilot point of view.
>> You need to remember that just because a thread has been posted, it
>> doesn't mean you have to read it.
>> Crash Lander
>
> (I'll vouch for "Crash" ... he's good people (in a usenet kinda
> way...gdr))
>
> The difference here CL, is that Mx:
>
> 1) Has preconcieved notions
> 2) Is unwilling to accept the answers he's given
> 3) Insists the answers he's given are wrong and already knows exactly why
> (adjunct to point #1)
>
> No one here will hesitate to inform, enlighten and help educate new pilots
> if the impression is given (and it can be real or imagined...) that the
> person posing the questions can actually read the info, digest it and be
> grateful for the help. Hell, no one would even care if you wanted to
> debate an issue provided you do so with logic and facts based on real
> world experiences or observations.
>
> Just don't come in here telling hundreds of pilots with experience levels
> ranging from newbie to multi-thousands of hours that you know better than
> they do because your computer sim doesn't work that way.
>
> Best of luck with your training. Post early and often as you go...
>
> Jay Beckman
> PP-ASEL
> Chandler, AZ

Judging from the long threads with little new posting from responders, I
think this particular gentleman may have already run his race on the pilot
forums :-))
So far, he has me definitely needing more dual so that I come to better
understand the basics of giving flight instruction , Pete Duniho needing
more instrument time so that he understands what flying IFR is actually all
about, and at last peek...(I'm just lurking here mind you...can't wait to
see what happens next... ) whether Todd Pattist needs some help with his
aerodynamics :-))
My personal opinion is that I hope this guy never leaves. Watching this is
more fun than a human being should be allowed to have in one lifetime
:-))))))))))))))))))
Dudley

[Emily[_1_]]

Steve Foley wrote:
> "houstondan" > wrote in message
> ups.com...
>> well, i guess i just don't understand or maybe i'm not a real enough
>> pilot or something. are you saying that if i respond to this guy (or
>> whatever) you'll "kill file" me??? i have no idea what being kill-filed
>> is like. does it hurt??
>
> A kill-file simply puts you on a list where my computer will no longer shouw
> your posts.
>
> When I killfile someone, I don't see his/her posts. When you reply to
> his/her posts and include his/her entire post in your response, now it shows
> up on my computer. If you continue re-posting his/her posts, my only
> recourse is to killfile you.
>
>
Why not just kill the thread?

[Emily[_1_]]

Montblack wrote:
> ("houstondan" wrote)
>> i have no idea what being kill-filed is like. does it hurt??
>
>
> YES! :^)
>
> I've been *Plonked* three times in eight years
>
> ...that I know of.
>
>
> Montblacklisted

Now why would anyone plonk you? You seem pretty reasonable to me.

[Ben Jackson]

On 2006-09-26, Emily > wrote:
> Now why would anyone plonk you? You seem pretty reasonable to me.

Well, it's not by accident that the person using the killfile is
the "plonker".

--
Ben Jackson AD7GD
>
http://www.ben.com/

[Doug[_1_]]

I guess the option of you, Terry, not reading the thread or the post
you object to is out of the question. Instead of kill filing it or
simply ignoring it or not reading it, you instead have the temerity to
ask everyone else to ignore his posts. It's sort of like the young
woman who wakes up every Saturday morning in a different guy's bed
complaining about the quality of men she dates. I know, I know, his
posts are just sooo awful you can't bear not to read them......

[Margy Natalie]

Steve Foley wrote:
> "Terry" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
>
>>To all the "real" pilots reading this newsgroup.......
>>
>>It's very obvious that Mxsmanic is not serious about learning to fly
>>real airplanes.
>>The questions asked by him are very basic questions that could be
>>found by
>>reading and educating himself in the "right way". Instead it appears
>>he is lazy and
>>wants to take the easy way out. He prefers to use us in this newsgroup
>>give him the answers to his mostly stupid questions.
>
>
> It's even worse than that. He asks an innocent sounding question, and twists
> the replies into an argument.
>
> As a troll, he's almost as talented as Skylune.
>
> I'm done playing with him.
>
>
He's better than skylune! I find myself saying "I'm not going to say a
word", but ... I still find my fingers on the keyboard. Damned, he's
good, he should learn to fly! The sad thing is I think he's really
interested in learning, he just can't figure out that A. sims are NOT
real airplanes. B. Real airplanes aren't that dangerous and won't fall
out of the sky if you run the engine at less than optimal settings.

Margy

[pltandtlp]

....I suppose my first question to such an arrogant posting
would be what do you consider a "real" pilot and what if
another pilot doesn't agree with your definition?
> To all the "real" pilots reading this newsgroup.......
>
> It's very obvious that Mxsmanic is not serious about
> learning to fly real airplanes.
> The questions asked by him are very basic questions that
> could be found by
> reading and educating himself in the "right way". Instead
> it appears he is lazy and
> wants to take the easy way out. He prefers to use us in
> this newsgroup give him the answers to his mostly stupid
> questions.
> I respect alot of you as fellow pilots in this newsgroup
> and value your viewpoint
> even tho I have over 2,000 hours and built my 1st
> airplane 20 years ago. It's aways
> interesting to hear others opinions and I will be the
> first to admit there is always
> something to learn. I enjoy helping others that might have
> questions about flying
> or a particular airplane if I can. It's very clear that
> Mxsmanic has not tried in anyway
> to educate himself in anyway other than to ask in this
> newsgroup.
> So here's the delimma, a lot of you knowledgeable people
> are feeding the troll!
> I know without a doubt, there is a sincere desire to be
> helpful but all that is
> happening is for every stupid question answered, two more
> are in the newgroup
> the next day.... it's never ending. I don't want to "kill
> file" anybody but Mxsmanic.
> I do want to read the rest of your postings and I enjoy
> them and learn from them.
>
> Final comment, please stop responding the Mxsmanic
> postings, comments about
> him, Flight Sim's etc. Just let him fade away and get
> this newsgroup back to
> questions about flying REAL airplanes, REAL questions,
> from REAL people.
>
> Thank You from 63 year old fellow pilot...
>
> Terry
> N6401F
>
>

[Crash Lander[_1_]]

"Jay Beckman" > wrote in message
news:05cSg.246$V6.53@fed1read06...
>
> (I'll vouch for "Crash" ... he's good people (in a usenet kinda
> way...gdr))
>

Thanks jay, mind you, I think the juy's still out on whether I'm "good
people" or not! :-)) hehehe

> The difference here CL, is that mx:
>
> 1) Has preconcieved notions
> 2) Is unwilling to accept the answers he's given
> 3) Insists the answers he's given are wrong and already knows exactly why
> (adjunct to point #1)
>


Fair enough. Haven't been here long enough to see all that side of it.

Crash Lander

[Crash Lander[_1_]]

Hi Dudley!
Still waiting for that photo mate! ;-)
Crash Lander

[Emily[_1_]]

pltandtlp wrote:
> ...I suppose my first question to such an arrogant posting
> would be what do you consider a "real" pilot and what if
> another pilot doesn't agree with your definition?

Sim player who has never piloted an actual aircraft is NOT a "real" pilot.

[Dudley Henriques[_1_]]

"Crash Lander" > wrote in message
...
> Hi Dudley!
> Still waiting for that photo mate! ;-)
> Crash Lander

Hi Lander;

Trust me CL; a picture of me would completely spoil your good work :-)
I find I have had to restructure my Usenet time a bit due to various
considerations, and I have removed that other newsgroup from my list and no
longer post there.
Please feel free to post to me here or on the student group at any time, or
you can catch me on the major sim forums where I will be continuing my work
with the community.
I'll keep an eye on your flying progress, and hope to be posting with you on
these groups as you progress along.
All the best,
Dudley Henriques

[Crash Lander[_1_]]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
ink.net...
>
> "Crash Lander" > wrote in message
> ...
>> Hi Dudley!
>> Still waiting for that photo mate! ;-)
>> Crash Lander
>
> Hi Lander;
>
> Trust me CL; a picture of me would completely spoil your good work :-)
> I find I have had to restructure my Usenet time a bit due to various
> considerations, and I have removed that other newsgroup from my list and
> no longer post there.
> Please feel free to post to me here or on the student group at any time,
> or you can catch me on the major sim forums where I will be continuing my
> work with the community.
> I'll keep an eye on your flying progress, and hope to be posting with you
> on these groups as you progress along.
> All the best,
> Dudley Henriques

Never mind! :-)
My sim is playing up big time at the moment anyway. Keep getting CTD's
everytime I try and launch from a US airfield.
I'll be posting my flying progress here and at the student group. Was
supposed to have hour number 2 last weekend, but the weather was shocking.
Now looking forward to hour 2 this Saturday. Fingers crossed mother nature
is kind to me! :-)
Crash Lander

[tony roberts[_1_]]

I don't know which of the stalwarts in this group created this
character, but whoever it was - well done - it is very funny to watch!

GW, DH, BG, CC - anyone want to fess up? LOL

Tony
--

Tony Roberts
PP-ASEL
VFR OTT
Night
Cessna 172H C-GICE

[Jay Beckman]

"pltandtlp" > wrote in message
news:4519d8e2.204.41@news2...
> ...I suppose my first question to such an arrogant posting
> would be what do you consider a "real" pilot and what if
> another pilot doesn't agree with your definition?


If another Troll comes out of the woodwork to defend a Troll but nobody
reads it, is he really Trolling?

For that matter, if a man says something and a woman isn't there to hear it,
is he still wrong?

Jay B

[Montblack[_1_]]

("Emily" wrote)
> Now why would anyone plonk you?


Tough crowd.


Montblack

[Steve Foley[_1_]]

"Emily" > wrote in message
. ..
> Steve Foley wrote:

> > When I killfile someone, I don't see his/her posts. When you reply to
> > his/her posts and include his/her entire post in your response, now it
shows
> > up on my computer. If you continue re-posting his/her posts, my only
> > recourse is to killfile you.

> Why not just kill the thread?

I haven't found a way to kill a thread in Outlook Express. I can delete the
thread, but the replies still show up. I tried some other software, but need
transition training in them. <g>

[Dudley Henriques[_1_]]

"tony roberts" > wrote in message
news:nospam-0A6CE4.21251426092006@shawnews...
>I don't know which of the stalwarts in this group created this
> character, but whoever it was - well done - it is very funny to watch!
>
> GW, DH, BG, CC - anyone want to fess up? LOL
>
> Tony

Wasn't me :-) I'm with you. This has been more fun to watch than I've had
for a long time with my clothes on :-)))
DH

[Gig 601XL Builder]

"Steve Foley" > wrote in message
news:gIsSg.7024$Iq5.4071@trndny02...
> "Emily" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> Steve Foley wrote:
>
>> > When I killfile someone, I don't see his/her posts. When you reply to
>> > his/her posts and include his/her entire post in your response, now it
> shows
>> > up on my computer. If you continue re-posting his/her posts, my only
>> > recourse is to killfile you.
>
>> Why not just kill the thread?
>
> I haven't found a way to kill a thread in Outlook Express. I can delete
> the
> thread, but the replies still show up. I tried some other software, but
> need
> transition training in them. <g>
>
>

With the message selected, look under the "Message Menu" you should see an
option that reads "Ignore Conversation", select it.

Now for this to do anything you also have to go under the "View" and select
"Current View" and select "Hide Read or Ignored Messages."

[Dudley Henriques[_1_]]

"Crash Lander" > wrote in message
...
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
>>
>> "Crash Lander" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> Hi Dudley!
>>> Still waiting for that photo mate! ;-)
>>> Crash Lander
>>
>> Hi Lander;
>>
>> Trust me CL; a picture of me would completely spoil your good work :-)
>> I find I have had to restructure my Usenet time a bit due to various
>> considerations, and I have removed that other newsgroup from my list and
>> no longer post there.
>> Please feel free to post to me here or on the student group at any time,
>> or you can catch me on the major sim forums where I will be continuing my
>> work with the community.
>> I'll keep an eye on your flying progress, and hope to be posting with you
>> on these groups as you progress along.
>> All the best,
>> Dudley Henriques
>
> Never mind! :-)
> My sim is playing up big time at the moment anyway. Keep getting CTD's
> everytime I try and launch from a US airfield.
> I'll be posting my flying progress here and at the student group. Was
> supposed to have hour number 2 last weekend, but the weather was shocking.
> Now looking forward to hour 2 this Saturday. Fingers crossed mother nature
> is kind to me! :-)
> Crash Lander

Just for your personal interest, if you google an image search for "Dudley
Henriques", you'll come up with a few images. Also, the following website
has some background information.
http://www.alexisparkinn.com/ifpf_history.htm

I'll look here and on the student group to see how you're doing
Dudley

[Crash Lander[_1_]]

You can add the sender to the blocked senders list.
Look under Tools/Message rules.

Crash Lander

--
I'm not always right,
But I'm never wrong!
"Steve Foley" > wrote in message
news:gIsSg.7024$Iq5.4071@trndny02...
> "Emily" > wrote in message
> . ..
>> Steve Foley wrote:
>
>> > When I killfile someone, I don't see his/her posts. When you reply to
>> > his/her posts and include his/her entire post in your response, now it
> shows
>> > up on my computer. If you continue re-posting his/her posts, my only
>> > recourse is to killfile you.
>
>> Why not just kill the thread?
>
> I haven't found a way to kill a thread in Outlook Express. I can delete
> the
> thread, but the replies still show up. I tried some other software, but
> need
> transition training in them. <g>
>
>

[Crash Lander[_1_]]

"Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
ink.net...
>
> "tony roberts" > wrote in message
> news:nospam-0A6CE4.21251426092006@shawnews...
>>I don't know which of the stalwarts in this group created this
>> character, but whoever it was - well done - it is very funny to watch!
>>
>> GW, DH, BG, CC - anyone want to fess up? LOL
>>
>> Tony
>
> Wasn't me :-) I'm with you. This has been more fun to watch than I've had
> for a long time with my clothes on :-)))
> DH

Now there's an image I wasn't really expecting so early in the morning! ;-)
Crash Lander

[Dudley Henriques[_1_]]

"Crash Lander" > wrote in message
...
> "Dudley Henriques" > wrote in message
> ink.net...
>>
>> "tony roberts" > wrote in message
>> news:nospam-0A6CE4.21251426092006@shawnews...
>>>I don't know which of the stalwarts in this group created this
>>> character, but whoever it was - well done - it is very funny to watch!
>>>
>>> GW, DH, BG, CC - anyone want to fess up? LOL
>>>
>>> Tony
>>
>> Wasn't me :-) I'm with you. This has been more fun to watch than I've had
>> for a long time with my clothes on :-)))
>> DH
>
> Now there's an image I wasn't really expecting so early in the morning!
> ;-)
> Crash Lander

My wife agrees with you :-)
D

[Roger (K8RI)]

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:38:24 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
> wrote:

>
>"Jay Beckman" > wrote in message
>news:05cSg.246$V6.53@fed1read06...
>>
>> "Crash Lander" > wrote in message
>> ...
>>> As much as I agree that flight sim problems are rarely solved with real
>>> world flying solutions, and that he may be asking some of the questions
>>> in the wrong group, I have to say that I am also a flight simmer! And
>>> yes, I am learning to fly. I only have 1 hour so far, so have just begun
>>> my journey, but just because I am not a real pilot yet, doesn't mean that
>>> some of my curious questions that arise from the simming world might not
>>> be worth listening to from a real world pilot point of view.
>>> You need to remember that just because a thread has been posted, it
>>> doesn't mean you have to read it.
>>> Crash Lander
>>
>> (I'll vouch for "Crash" ... he's good people (in a usenet kinda
>> way...gdr))
>>
>> The difference here CL, is that Mx:
>>
>> 1) Has preconcieved notions
>> 2) Is unwilling to accept the answers he's given
>> 3) Insists the answers he's given are wrong and already knows exactly why
>> (adjunct to point #1)
>>
>> No one here will hesitate to inform, enlighten and help educate new pilots
>> if the impression is given (and it can be real or imagined...) that the
>> person posing the questions can actually read the info, digest it and be
>> grateful for the help. Hell, no one would even care if you wanted to
>> debate an issue provided you do so with logic and facts based on real
>> world experiences or observations.
>>
>> Just don't come in here telling hundreds of pilots with experience levels
>> ranging from newbie to multi-thousands of hours that you know better than
>> they do because your computer sim doesn't work that way.
>>
>> Best of luck with your training. Post early and often as you go...
>>
>> Jay Beckman
>> PP-ASEL
>> Chandler, AZ
>
>Judging from the long threads with little new posting from responders, I
>think this particular gentleman may have already run his race on the pilot
>forums :-))
>So far, he has me definitely needing more dual so that I come to better
>understand the basics of giving flight instruction , Pete Duniho needing
>more instrument time so that he understands what flying IFR is actually all
>about, and at last peek...(I'm just lurking here mind you...can't wait to
>see what happens next... ) whether Todd Pattist needs some help with his
>aerodynamics :-))
>My personal opinion is that I hope this guy never leaves. Watching this is
>more fun than a human being should be allowed to have in one lifetime
>:-))))))))))))))))))
>Dudley

Yup!

Hi Dudley,

What ever his reasoning he's asked some good questions. Questions that
make me think about how I do things and what I see out in the real
world. So, even if it's difficult to get some things across I really
think it's worth while...and as you said there is a certain
entertainment value involved in watching the threads progress.

Having to explain something that may be contrary to the way of
thinking of the explainee and then paraphrase it is one of the best
methods of learning<:-))




>
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Roger (K8RI)]

On Wed, 27 Sep 2006 13:28:58 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
> wrote:

>
>"tony roberts" > wrote in message
>news:nospam-0A6CE4.21251426092006@shawnews...
>>I don't know which of the stalwarts in this group created this
>> character, but whoever it was - well done - it is very funny to watch!
>>
>> GW, DH, BG, CC - anyone want to fess up? LOL
>>
>> Tony
>
>Wasn't me :-) I'm with you. This has been more fun to watch than I've had
>for a long time with my clothes on :-)))

Glad you put that exception in there.


>DH
>
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Dudley Henriques[_1_]]

"Roger (K8RI)" > wrote in message
...
> On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 17:38:24 GMT, "Dudley Henriques"
> > wrote:

> Hi Dudley,
>
> What ever his reasoning he's asked some good questions. Questions that
> make me think about how I do things and what I see out in the real
> world. So, even if it's difficult to get some things across I really
> think it's worth while...and as you said there is a certain
> entertainment value involved in watching the threads progress.
>
> Having to explain something that may be contrary to the way of
> thinking of the explainee and then paraphrase it is one of the best
> methods of learning<:-))

Hi Roger;

I agree. This guy is, if nothing else, one of the more "interesting" people
I've run across on Usenet. Looking down the now empty threads this guy has
caused is like looking at a suicide. In almost every instance the pattern is
the same; an initial question followed by a response; then a complete
reversal from a questioning mode into an interrogation of the responder from
a position of authority and "superior knowledge. It's a classic Usenet hook!
This character however, seems at least to have an additional aspect to his
Usenet style that might take him right out of the troll category and onto a
higher level......or at least another level :-)
If I had to profile this guy and I had money to lay down, I'd say that what
we have been witnessing here is a guy who over time, and after fooling
around with MSFS, has learned a great deal from the experience, but from his
postings, I'd say that all that "learning" was done alone and without
assistance. The result has been,to my eye anyway, the ultimate development
of a mixed bag of knowledge containing just enough fact to get him into
trouble as the experts begin to expand on what he projects as questions and
comment.
Its interesting to watch :-)
There's another underlying facet to him that I've noticed in his postings.
Assuming he's not a troll in the true sense and just the obnoxious
individual he appears to be, I'm guessing that over time, teaching himself
with MSFS, he has convinced himself that although he can't fly, he COULD fly
if given the opportunity. In fact, based on his responses to those who
actually do fly, I'd say he has convinced himself that since he personally
has obtained all this knowledge without flying an actual airplane, those who
do fly actual airplanes have wasted a great deal of their money and time by
doing so. In other words, I think this guy sees himself on a plane (no pun
intended :-) ABOVE that of real pilots. He sees himself as smarter.
I think he's brought all this to Usenet to "test it" against real pilots. He
engages them with a question, then when they answer, he responds with what
he hopes will be a "hook" to nail them by showing them that he knows more
about the issue he's asking about than the responder.
Its fascinating to watch!!! :-))
Anyway, what makes it a tragedy is the fact that the guy obviously likes
airplanes and has spent a lot of time learning about them. Most of the
pilots who hang on the aviation newsgroups are a great bunch of people and
will gladly help those in the sim community who love aviation and come to
them for real world answers and dialog exchange.
I'm a good example of this myself, having been an advisor to the sim
community for some years now.
Just looking at the empty threads this character has caused tells the whole
story. He has literally run the gamut of the real world aviation talent on
these groups and has burned them all out one by one. He's arrived on the
scene, engaged them all, and generally exhausted his welcome. Its a shame if
it isas I suspect, a personality issue. If he is a troll, he's not a good
one :-)
Dudley

[Roger (K8RI)]

On Tue, 26 Sep 2006 21:15:13 -0400, Margy Natalie >
wrote:

>Steve Foley wrote:
>> "Terry" > wrote in message
>> ink.net...
>>
>>>To all the "real" pilots reading this newsgroup.......
>>>
>>>It's very obvious that Mxsmanic is not serious about learning to fly
>>>real airplanes.
>>>The questions asked by him are very basic questions that could be
>>>found by
>>>reading and educating himself in the "right way". Instead it appears
>>>he is lazy and
>>>wants to take the easy way out. He prefers to use us in this newsgroup
>>>give him the answers to his mostly stupid questions.
>>
>>
>> It's even worse than that. He asks an innocent sounding question, and twists
>> the replies into an argument.
>>
>> As a troll, he's almost as talented as Skylune.
>>
>> I'm done playing with him.
>>
>>
>He's better than skylune! I find myself saying "I'm not going to say a
>word", but ... I still find my fingers on the keyboard. Damned, he's
>good, he should learn to fly! The sad thing is I think he's really
>interested in learning, he just can't figure out that A. sims are NOT
>real airplanes. B. Real airplanes aren't that dangerous and won't fall
>out of the sky if you run the engine at less than optimal settings.

Mine quit with less than optimal settings, of course it did have the
realistic expectation of at least getting some fuel. It quit on take
off and still didn't fall out of the sky. OTOH I did land a lot sooner
than I'd expected. I had the valve fixed and took off again. <:-))


>
>Margy
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Sylvain]

Emily wrote:

> Sim player who has never piloted an actual aircraft is NOT a "real" pilot.

He is still an aviation enthusiast. It beats the 'let-close
the-airport-because-I-was-too-dumb-to-know-that-it-might-be-
noisy-before-I-moved-in' crowd who occasionally post in this
groups.

I mean, there are quite a few things I am enthusiastic about
and in which I stand very little chance of ever participating,
for instance space exploration or some sports, and about which
I probably hold quite a few misconceptions, so I can somehow
relate.

Would you suggest creating a new forum requiring a valid pilot
certificate number to participate?

--Sylvain

[Grumman-581[_4_]]

Sylvain wrote:
> I mean, there are quite a few things I am enthusiastic about
> and in which I stand very little chance of ever participating,
> for instance space exploration or some sports, and about which
> I probably hold quite a few misconceptions, so I can somehow
> relate.

But would you be stupid enough to argue that the moon is made of green
cheese with one of the astronauts that had been there? This troll
definitely would...

> Would you suggest creating a new forum requiring a valid pilot
> certificate number to participate?

Nawh, we can just create two new groups underneath
rec.aviation.piloting...
rec.aviation.piloting.wantabes
rec.aviation.piloting.neverbes

This troll would be in the latter, of course...

[Roger (K8RI)]

On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 17:52:41 -0700, Sylvain > wrote:

>Emily wrote:
>
>> Sim player who has never piloted an actual aircraft is NOT a "real" pilot.
>
>He is still an aviation enthusiast. It beats the 'let-close
>the-airport-because-I-was-too-dumb-to-know-that-it-might-be-
>noisy-before-I-moved-in' crowd who occasionally post in this
>groups.
>
>I mean, there are quite a few things I am enthusiastic about
>and in which I stand very little chance of ever participating,
>for instance space exploration or some sports, and about which
>I probably hold quite a few misconceptions, so I can somehow
>relate.

How dare you dash my hopes? I'm only 66 and was still planning on
applying<:-))

>
>Would you suggest creating a new forum requiring a valid pilot
>certificate number to participate?
>
>--Sylvain
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[Emily]

Sylvain wrote:
> Emily wrote:
>
>> Sim player who has never piloted an actual aircraft is NOT a "real" pilot.
>
> He is still an aviation enthusiast. It beats the 'let-close
> the-airport-because-I-was-too-dumb-to-know-that-it-might-be-
> noisy-before-I-moved-in' crowd who occasionally post in this
> groups.
>
> I mean, there are quite a few things I am enthusiastic about
> and in which I stand very little chance of ever participating,
> for instance space exploration or some sports, and about which
> I probably hold quite a few misconceptions, so I can somehow
> relate.
>
> Would you suggest creating a new forum requiring a valid pilot
> certificate number to participate?
>
> --Sylvain

No. What I WOULD suggest is that someone who has no concept of what
flying an aircraft is like doesn't need to act like he does. If that
sentence made any sense.

[Sylvain]

Roger (K8RI) wrote:

>>for instance space exploration or some sports,
>
> How dare you dash my hopes? I'm only 66 and was still planning on
> applying<:-))

there are other issues than age; besides, I remember clearly
the day I realized I would not be an astro/cosmo/spationaute:
the day I had a close look at the inside of a Gemini capsule
(on display in a museum), I was about twelve, and asked where
was the bathroom in this thing...

--Sylvain

[Roger (K8RI)]

On Thu, 28 Sep 2006 18:51:59 -0700, Sylvain > wrote:

>Roger (K8RI) wrote:
>
>>>for instance space exploration or some sports,
>>
>> How dare you dash my hopes? I'm only 66 and was still planning on
>> applying<:-))
>
>there are other issues than age; besides, I remember clearly
>the day I realized I would not be an astro/cosmo/spationaute:
>the day I had a close look at the inside of a Gemini capsule
>(on display in a museum), I was about twelve, and asked where
>was the bathroom in this thing...

Did they tell you about the diaper?<:-))

Man, Talk about a claustrophobic environment and that was the two
place version<:-))


>--Sylvain
Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair)
www.rogerhalstead.com

[John Gaquin]

"Grumman-581" > wrote in message
>
> Nawh, we can just create two new groups underneath
> rec.aviation.piloting...
> rec.aviation.piloting.wantabes
> rec.aviation.piloting.neverbes

But if you create sub-groups based on what might be called the "arrogance of
accomplishment", you must carry the process through. Terry (the OP) wants
all to know that he respects us and is willing to offer help, even though he
has over 2000 hours. Will there be groups restricted to those who have
flown military?.... transports?.... jets of any kind?...... really wicked
big jets? .....over 10K hours? .... over 20K hours? over 30K? Where do you
end it? The only lasting result will be devisiveness.

[John Gaquin]

"Emily" > wrote in message
>
> ......someone who has no concept of what flying an aircraft is like .....

But he does have *some* concept. Much of it wrong or misunderstood because
his entire experience base comes from the aircraft flight characteristics as
defined by MS Sim.

[[email protected]]

Guys!!! Seriously you're all arguing about an idiot... how much extra
time do you have on your hand?

[Montblack[_1_]]

wrote)
> Guys!!! Seriously you're all arguing about an idiot... how much extra time
> do you have on your hand?


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